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    New England at Indianapolis (11/04/2007)

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    Posted: Oct. 31, 2007 - 12:08 PM ET #51

    GoG, if you want good handicappin', the only suggestion I can make is to do some yourself.  I would rather you spend time on that than pointing out how lame many of the posts are -- that's obvious.  There's always a lot more filler to weed through. 

    I would agree that Pats/1st half and Colts/2nd half comeback makes a lot of sense.  It certainly played out that way the last time.  But for some reason it also seems a little obvious this time around.  Like too easy a prediction.  Pats 1st half is probly safe, then get a feel for it during the game.

    Some random thoughts:

    - Bob Sanders is a monster.  Might be player of the year this year on D, and 2nd half of last year.  But he is 5'8", and Randy Moss is 6'4".  Not that he's covering him 1-on-1, but both Indy CB's are 6'0".  And height is only one part of it -- Moss has long arms, huge hands, and most important is fearless in going after the ball.  We can expect plenty of 2-on-1 situations with Moss still coming down with the rebound. 

    - Yes the Pats are HIGHLY motivated, for reasons stated before. But don't you think the Colts will be a little chippy, what with being the Supa Bow champs, undefeated and at home, as a DOG?  Yes they will.  I don't see one team out-motivating the other here.  But I would not be shocked if a few players are flying a little TOO high, resulting in a celebration penalty or key personal foul.  This is more or less a wash, cap-wise.

    - Whoever it was who wrote that Manning and Brady crumble under pressure...  maybe that's the way it looks in Madden 2007, but I don't see it in the games I watch.  I think both are amazing under pressure.  Yes it is absolutely key to TRY to rattle them, as you would any QB, but it is easier said than done on both sides.

    Playin' the Middle

    - To me the middle of the field is key in this game.  That's how Indy won last year, by running it up the middle late in the game, and with Dallas Clark finding that middle seam.  Now the Pats have Adalius Thomas, plus a healthy Seau and Harrison.  Seymour is back too, but is not quite in game shape.  He was in on 22 plays last week but without one tackle.  Still, if he gets double-teamed, he's worth it to free up the other DL-men.

    - Likewise on the other side, the Pats need to run up the middle, and will try and try harder to do so.  They need to neutralize the outside pass rush the Colts bring, and in general their excellent speed to the outside.  I also expect to see Welker over the middle a bit, and some screens to Maroney and Faulk.

    - Key matchup - Indy C Jeff Saturday v. NE NT Vince Wilfork.  Last year Saturday showed Wilfork what it's like to play on Sunday, but this year Wilfork is trimmer and stronger.  You can bet he had circled this game a lot sooner than any of the others.  Have to give Indy the edge here until Vince proves he can handle him.

    - TE Ben Watson will be missed here as a middle target.  Plus TE Kyle Brady went out in the 2nd half v. Wash with an undisclosed injury. 

    - The most underrated group in the NFL this year is the Pats offensive line.  They make the difference that allows this team to dominate, giving Brady tons of time and making holes for the running back du jour to run through. 

    Historical Perspective:

    - The Patriots have scored a combined total of 149 points in their last 3 games, the highest 3-game point total in the NFL since 1950.

    - This game will be the first time in the 88-year history of the NFL that two undefeated teams with seven or more wins have faced each other. You can expect to hear that repeated in the media once or twice before 4:15 pm on 11/4.

    - The Colts have won the last 3 meetings, but NE took 6 of the last 9 -- so they had won 6 straight prior to that.

    - The Patriots have scored 20 or more points against the Colts in 18 of their last 19 meetings.

      Good luck on your bets... and you know you're not going to lay off this game, even though many claim they will just watch and enjoy.      This is shaping up to be the most wagered-on game of the year.





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    GoG, if you want good handicappin', the only suggestion I can make is to do some yourself.  I would rather you spend time on that than pointing out how lame many of the posts are -- that's obvious.  There's always a lot more filler to weed through. 

    I would agree that Pats/1st half and Colts/2nd half comeback makes a lot of sense.  It certainly played out that way the last time.  But for some reason it also seems a little obvious this time around.  Like too easy a prediction.  Pats 1st half is probly safe, then get a feel for it during the game.

    Some random thoughts:

    - Bob Sanders is a monster.  Might be player of the year this year on D, and 2nd half of last year.  But he is 5'8", and Randy Moss is 6'4".  Not that he's covering him 1-on-1, but both Indy CB's are 6'0".  And height is only one part of it -- Moss has long arms, huge hands, and most important is fearless in going after the ball.  We can expect plenty of 2-on-1 situations with Moss still coming down with the rebound. 

    - Yes the Pats are HIGHLY motivated, for reasons stated before. But don't you think the Colts will be a little chippy, what with being the Supa Bow champs, undefeated and at home, as a DOG?  Yes they will.  I don't see one team out-motivating the other here.  But I would not be shocked if a few players are flying a little TOO high, resulting in a celebration penalty or key personal foul.  This is more or less a wash, cap-wise.

    - Whoever it was who wrote that Manning and Brady crumble under pressure...  maybe that's the way it looks in Madden 2007, but I don't see it in the games I watch.  I think both are amazing under pressure.  Yes it is absolutely key to TRY to rattle them, as you would any QB, but it is easier said than done on both sides.

    Playin' the Middle

    - To me the middle of the field is key in this game.  That's how Indy won last year, by running it up the middle late in the game, and with Dallas Clark finding that middle seam.  Now the Pats have Adalius Thomas, plus a healthy Seau and Harrison.  Seymour is back too, but is not quite in game shape.  He was in on 22 plays last week but without one tackle.  Still, if he gets double-teamed, he's worth it to free up the other DL-men.

    - Likewise on the other side, the Pats need to run up the middle, and will try and try harder to do so.  They need to neutralize the outside pass rush the Colts bring, and in general their excellent speed to the outside.  I also expect to see Welker over the middle a bit, and some screens to Maroney and Faulk.

    - Key matchup - Indy C Jeff Saturday v. NE NT Vince Wilfork.  Last year Saturday showed Wilfork what it's like to play on Sunday, but this year Wilfork is trimmer and stronger.  You can bet he had circled this game a lot sooner than any of the others.  Have to give Indy the edge here until Vince proves he can handle him.

    - TE Ben Watson will be missed here as a middle target.  Plus TE Kyle Brady went out in the 2nd half v. Wash with an undisclosed injury. 

    - The most underrated group in the NFL this year is the Pats offensive line.  They make the difference that allows this team to dominate, giving Brady tons of time and making holes for the running back du jour to run through. 

    Historical Perspective:

    - The Patriots have scored a combined total of 149 points in their last 3 games, the highest 3-game point total in the NFL since 1950.

    - This game will be the first time in the 88-year history of the NFL that two undefeated teams with seven or more wins have faced each other. You can expect to hear that repeated in the media once or twice before 4:15 pm on 11/4.

    - The Colts have won the last 3 meetings, but NE took 6 of the last 9 -- so they had won 6 straight prior to that.

    - The Patriots have scored 20 or more points against the Colts in 18 of their last 19 meetings.

      Good luck on your bets... and you know you're not going to lay off this game, even though many claim they will just watch and enjoy.      This is shaping up to be the most wagered-on game of the year.





     
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    Posted: Oct. 31, 2007 - 12:53 PM ET #52

    Quote Originally Posted by chrischase1981:

    So you expect Sanders to somehow cover Moss, Welker, Watson and Stallworth.

    where did i say that?  Bob Sanders is a safety, not a CB... he will rotate where the coverage is needed... all i said is that he will be forced to play back, instead of focusing on the run like he frequently does... your point proved my point...

    Quote Originally Posted by chrischase1981:

    I don't see the Colts putting much pressure on Brady as no one has done it thus far. 

    as i pointed out, the Pats have played some of the worst defenses in the NFL, including all of the bottom 4... but most importantly, they haven't faced anything close to this kind of pass rush...

     

    Danstyk... i agree, you have to handicap it yourself... but it is not always easy to remain objective, and these threads are useful for getting alternate perspectives and maybe a couple of key pieces of information... so i would prefer they were more based on accurate information than fanspeak... last few posts have offered some decent info, though...

    despite what you've said, i will almost certainly not end up betting on this game... tough to make a case for betting against the Pats, but i can't bet against the Colts as a home dog getting almost a TD...

    is Watson really going to miss this game?  thought he might be back by now... if he is out, that hurts NE a lot... their best package is the 3 WR 1 TE package, and Watson's versatility as a receiving threat and a blocker is key... they need that package to be able to spread the Colts D while also protecting against the pass rush... that will be very interesting to see how they deal with that... lining up 4 WRs is not a good way for them to go...

    however, on the other side, if Tony Ugoh doesn't play, that LT position for the Colts becomes a big problem... Ugoh has done a great job, but i don't know what his status is right now...

    those key injuries could be crucial... obviously, Marvin needs to be in there for the Colts offense to be effective, as well, since their 3 WR 1 TE set is also one of their key packages...

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrischase1981:

    So you expect Sanders to somehow cover Moss, Welker, Watson and Stallworth.

    where did i say that?  Bob Sanders is a safety, not a CB... he will rotate where the coverage is needed... all i said is that he will be forced to play back, instead of focusing on the run like he frequently does... your point proved my point...

    Quote Originally Posted by chrischase1981:

    I don't see the Colts putting much pressure on Brady as no one has done it thus far. 

    as i pointed out, the Pats have played some of the worst defenses in the NFL, including all of the bottom 4... but most importantly, they haven't faced anything close to this kind of pass rush...

     

    Danstyk... i agree, you have to handicap it yourself... but it is not always easy to remain objective, and these threads are useful for getting alternate perspectives and maybe a couple of key pieces of information... so i would prefer they were more based on accurate information than fanspeak... last few posts have offered some decent info, though...

    despite what you've said, i will almost certainly not end up betting on this game... tough to make a case for betting against the Pats, but i can't bet against the Colts as a home dog getting almost a TD...

    is Watson really going to miss this game?  thought he might be back by now... if he is out, that hurts NE a lot... their best package is the 3 WR 1 TE package, and Watson's versatility as a receiving threat and a blocker is key... they need that package to be able to spread the Colts D while also protecting against the pass rush... that will be very interesting to see how they deal with that... lining up 4 WRs is not a good way for them to go...

    however, on the other side, if Tony Ugoh doesn't play, that LT position for the Colts becomes a big problem... Ugoh has done a great job, but i don't know what his status is right now...

    those key injuries could be crucial... obviously, Marvin needs to be in there for the Colts offense to be effective, as well, since their 3 WR 1 TE set is also one of their key packages...

     
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    Posted: Oct. 31, 2007 - 12:56 PM ET #53

    Quote Originally Posted by chrischase1981:

    I don't see the Colts putting much pressure on Brady as no one has done it thus far. 

    as i pointed out, the Pats have played some of the worst defenses in the NFL, including all of the bottom 4... but most importantly, they haven't faced anything close to this kind of pass rush...

     

    middle section should have appeared like this above... forgot to add the end quote...

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrischase1981:

    I don't see the Colts putting much pressure on Brady as no one has done it thus far. 

    as i pointed out, the Pats have played some of the worst defenses in the NFL, including all of the bottom 4... but most importantly, they haven't faced anything close to this kind of pass rush...

     

    middle section should have appeared like this above... forgot to add the end quote...

     
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    whatever... guess it just doesn't work...
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    whatever... guess it just doesn't work...
     
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    Posted: Oct. 31, 2007 - 2:45 PM ET #55

    is it possible to bet against the pats? why the hell would any bet against the pats so far this season? pats pats pats give the points take the over.
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    is it possible to bet against the pats? why the hell would any bet against the pats so far this season? pats pats pats give the points take the over.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 31, 2007 - 2:47 PM ET #56

    I've read a few posts from people leaning towards Indy stating the Patriots have played some of the worst defenses in the NFL.  Word of caution, they may be considered some of the worst defenses because of the fact that they've played the Patriots, so the numbers are thrown off.  The Patriots have scored on avg. 10+ more than the other teams defense has allowed with other opponents with exception of cleveland and cincy (two admittedly terrible defenses).  Here's a break down to clarify:

    Washington D:  Avg. 14 pts/game  Pats - 52

    San Diego D:  Avg. 15 pts/game  Pats - 38

    Buffalo D:  Avg. 16 pts/game  Pats - 38

    Dallas D:  Avg. 18 pts/game  Pats - 48 

    Jets D:  Avg. 23 pts/game  Pats - 38

    Miami D:  Avg. 27 pts/game  Pats - 49

    Cleveland D:  Avg. 28pts/game  Pat - 34

    Cincy D:  Avg. 29/pts/game  Pats - 34

    Even in the Cleveland and Cincy games they scored more than the rest of the league has averaged against them and they beat both teams by 2 touchdowns.  They obliterated 4 defenses that have held everyone else to less than 20pts/game!

    Teabag I respected your baseball posts and always looked forward to them but I think you are way off on this game.  We'll have to wait until Sunday night to see if I'm going to give the same weight to your NFL posts, but with that said, all of your posts are always useful and appreciated, even when I don't agree.

     

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    I've read a few posts from people leaning towards Indy stating the Patriots have played some of the worst defenses in the NFL.  Word of caution, they may be considered some of the worst defenses because of the fact that they've played the Patriots, so the numbers are thrown off.  The Patriots have scored on avg. 10+ more than the other teams defense has allowed with other opponents with exception of cleveland and cincy (two admittedly terrible defenses).  Here's a break down to clarify:

    Washington D:  Avg. 14 pts/game  Pats - 52

    San Diego D:  Avg. 15 pts/game  Pats - 38

    Buffalo D:  Avg. 16 pts/game  Pats - 38

    Dallas D:  Avg. 18 pts/game  Pats - 48 

    Jets D:  Avg. 23 pts/game  Pats - 38

    Miami D:  Avg. 27 pts/game  Pats - 49

    Cleveland D:  Avg. 28pts/game  Pat - 34

    Cincy D:  Avg. 29/pts/game  Pats - 34

    Even in the Cleveland and Cincy games they scored more than the rest of the league has averaged against them and they beat both teams by 2 touchdowns.  They obliterated 4 defenses that have held everyone else to less than 20pts/game!

    Teabag I respected your baseball posts and always looked forward to them but I think you are way off on this game.  We'll have to wait until Sunday night to see if I'm going to give the same weight to your NFL posts, but with that said, all of your posts are always useful and appreciated, even when I don't agree.

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 31, 2007 - 3:48 PM ET #57

    That is actually a good point -- that all of the Pats opponents stats are affected by the games played vs. the Pats.  The same point can be made about the AFC East being a weak division.  One reason it is weak is they all have to play the Pats, and will all likely have 2 more losses as a result.

    We should be careful not to make TOO much of this, but it is important to take the stats in context.  Also SD now is perceived as weak -- at least they were a few weeks ago -- but by year-end they probably won't be as they appear to be on the right track.

    I am not certain about Ben Watson being out, but he was out last week and I have heard no update.  As usual with Belichick we won't know until the gun sounds on Sunday.  Also Kyle Brady - I expect would play, but who knows?   Yes, with Ugoh out for Indy, that's a big loss for them.

    If all these players are out, I might think twice about taking the over.  I would expect more pass rush and more pressure, which usually translates into fewer points.  Those of you betting the total keep an eye on the injury reports.


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    That is actually a good point -- that all of the Pats opponents stats are affected by the games played vs. the Pats.  The same point can be made about the AFC East being a weak division.  One reason it is weak is they all have to play the Pats, and will all likely have 2 more losses as a result.

    We should be careful not to make TOO much of this, but it is important to take the stats in context.  Also SD now is perceived as weak -- at least they were a few weeks ago -- but by year-end they probably won't be as they appear to be on the right track.

    I am not certain about Ben Watson being out, but he was out last week and I have heard no update.  As usual with Belichick we won't know until the gun sounds on Sunday.  Also Kyle Brady - I expect would play, but who knows?   Yes, with Ugoh out for Indy, that's a big loss for them.

    If all these players are out, I might think twice about taking the over.  I would expect more pass rush and more pressure, which usually translates into fewer points.  Those of you betting the total keep an eye on the injury reports.


     
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    What's the deal with every1 writing 4 or 5 paragraphs about this one!!! It's clear as day that Brady is the Jordan of football. Moss is Pippen, Stallworth is Paxson, Welker is Armstrong, Maloney is Rodman.  Bellichek is Jackson. Not even gonna talk bout the D!!! Vrabel, Seau, Harrison, Samuel, Bruschi god dam they r good. Looks like another ring 4 these guys. Colts r good 2 don't get me wrong. But they have never eva seen a team like this 1. Plus Harrison is playin but he'll be a decoy 4 Wayne cause he's not 100% Pats will shut down the run leaving everthing on Peytons shoulders. Pats lost 3 in a row to them. So believe me they ARE gonna make a statement in this one. I'm gonna go with them evertime 4 now on dont give a shit what the spread is cause all Bill's gonna do is run the score up neway. Still pissed about how they trashed my Boy's but it's alright just remember what Crayton said cause we will c them again in the Supa Bowl. Puttin 1K on Pats covering the spread. Then I'm goin to the strip club and make it rain all of the ho's cause thx to the Pats I'll have a nice chump of change. Don't be dumb, go with the team who covered the spread all year. Maybe I'll c u at the club 2. Pats by at least 2 TDS look at the Panthers game when Manning was shitting on hisself the 1'st quart. 1quart like that against Pats it'll be over b4 it began!!!

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    What's the deal with every1 writing 4 or 5 paragraphs about this one!!! It's clear as day that Brady is the Jordan of football. Moss is Pippen, Stallworth is Paxson, Welker is Armstrong, Maloney is Rodman.  Bellichek is Jackson. Not even gonna talk bout the D!!! Vrabel, Seau, Harrison, Samuel, Bruschi god dam they r good. Looks like another ring 4 these guys. Colts r good 2 don't get me wrong. But they have never eva seen a team like this 1. Plus Harrison is playin but he'll be a decoy 4 Wayne cause he's not 100% Pats will shut down the run leaving everthing on Peytons shoulders. Pats lost 3 in a row to them. So believe me they ARE gonna make a statement in this one. I'm gonna go with them evertime 4 now on dont give a shit what the spread is cause all Bill's gonna do is run the score up neway. Still pissed about how they trashed my Boy's but it's alright just remember what Crayton said cause we will c them again in the Supa Bowl. Puttin 1K on Pats covering the spread. Then I'm goin to the strip club and make it rain all of the ho's cause thx to the Pats I'll have a nice chump of change. Don't be dumb, go with the team who covered the spread all year. Maybe I'll c u at the club 2. Pats by at least 2 TDS look at the Panthers game when Manning was shitting on hisself the 1'st quart. 1quart like that against Pats it'll be over b4 it began!!!

     
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    I hope Brady gets embarrassed.  F THE PATS!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TonCapone:

    What's the deal with every1 writing 4 or 5 paragraphs about this one!!! It's clear as day that Brady is the Jordan of football. Moss is Pippen, Stallworth is Paxson, Welker is Armstrong, Maloney is Rodman.  Bellichek is Jackson. Not even gonna talk bout the D!!! Vrabel, Seau, Harrison, Samuel, Bruschi god dam they r good. Looks like another ring 4 these guys. Colts r good 2 don't get me wrong. But they have never eva seen a team like this 1. Plus Harrison is playin but he'll be a decoy 4 Wayne cause he's not 100% Pats will shut down the run leaving everthing on Peytons shoulders. Pats lost 3 in a row to them. So believe me they ARE gonna make a statement in this one. I'm gonna go with them evertime 4 now on dont give a shit what the spread is cause all Bill's gonna do is run the score up neway. Still pissed about how they trashed my Boy's but it's alright just remember what Crayton said cause we will c them again in the Supa Bowl. Puttin 1K on Pats covering the spread. Then I'm goin to the strip club and make it rain all of the ho's cause thx to the Pats I'll have a nice chump of change. Don't be dumb, go with the team who covered the spread all year. Maybe I'll c u at the club 2. Pats by at least 2 TDS look at the Panthers game when Manning was shitting on hisself the 1'st quart. 1quart like that against Pats it'll be over b4 it began!!!



    WOW, and after reading this, I can tell you bought a pair of Brady's underwear off Ebay, and smells them every night before bedtime. 
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    What's the deal with every1 writing 4 or 5 paragraphs about this one!!! It's clear as day that Brady is the Jordan of football. Moss is Pippen, Stallworth is Paxson, Welker is Armstrong, Maloney is Rodman.  Bellichek is Jackson. Not even gonna talk bout the D!!! Vrabel, Seau, Harrison, Samuel, Bruschi god dam they r good. Looks like another ring 4 these guys. Colts r good 2 don't get me wrong. But they have never eva seen a team like this 1. Plus Harrison is playin but he'll be a decoy 4 Wayne cause he's not 100% Pats will shut down the run leaving everthing on Peytons shoulders. Pats lost 3 in a row to them. So believe me they ARE gonna make a statement in this one. I'm gonna go with them evertime 4 now on dont give a shit what the spread is cause all Bill's gonna do is run the score up neway. Still pissed about how they trashed my Boy's but it's alright just remember what Crayton said cause we will c them again in the Supa Bowl. Puttin 1K on Pats covering the spread. Then I'm goin to the strip club and make it rain all of the ho's cause thx to the Pats I'll have a nice chump of change. Don't be dumb, go with the team who covered the spread all year. Maybe I'll c u at the club 2. Pats by at least 2 TDS look at the Panthers game when Manning was shitting on hisself the 1'st quart. 1quart like that against Pats it'll be over b4 it began!!!



    WOW, and after reading this, I can tell you bought a pair of Brady's underwear off Ebay, and smells them every night before bedtime. 
     
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    Thanks for the comments tsjerome.  I am rolloing hard on NFL, college has been tough.  Good luck to you on this one...
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    Quote Originally Posted by blueglass79:

    I hope Brady gets embarrassed.  F THE PATS!!

    Great addition to the thread!

     

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    I hope Brady gets embarrassed.  F THE PATS!!

    Great addition to the thread!

     

     
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    INDIANAPOLIS - 35                    NEW ENGLAND  - 20
    COLTS                   UNDER 56.5
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coloneljim:

    INDIANAPOLIS - 35                    NEW ENGLAND  - 20
    COLTS                   UNDER 56.5

     

    Indy doesn't have to settle for any FG's?

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    INDIANAPOLIS - 35                    NEW ENGLAND  - 20
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    Indy doesn't have to settle for any FG's?

     
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    hey dont miss the opportunity of the century....colts a home dog?????whattttttt???the colts could run up the score if they wanted but they actually have a good running game and play in a MUCH BETTER division so they can control the clock...pats cant...indy wins by 10 or more...dont be a SQUARE here...dont get me wrong the PATS are good as fuck but they cant jam the radio waves in INDY
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    hey dont miss the opportunity of the century....colts a home dog?????whattttttt???the colts could run up the score if they wanted but they actually have a good running game and play in a MUCH BETTER division so they can control the clock...pats cant...indy wins by 10 or more...dont be a SQUARE here...dont get me wrong the PATS are good as fuck but they cant jam the radio waves in INDY
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by pdohwha:

    hey dont miss the opportunity of the century....colts a home dog?????whattttttt???the colts could run up the score if they wanted but they actually have a good running game and play in a MUCH BETTER division so they can control the clock...pats cant...indy wins by 10 or more...dont be a SQUARE here...dont get me wrong the PATS are good as fuck but they cant jam the radio waves in INDY

     

    Then why did they almost lose to the Titans and Texans? Why didn't they control the clock then.

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    hey dont miss the opportunity of the century....colts a home dog?????whattttttt???the colts could run up the score if they wanted but they actually have a good running game and play in a MUCH BETTER division so they can control the clock...pats cant...indy wins by 10 or more...dont be a SQUARE here...dont get me wrong the PATS are good as fuck but they cant jam the radio waves in INDY

     

    Then why did they almost lose to the Titans and Texans? Why didn't they control the clock then.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by blueglass79:

    WOW, what a bunch of
    On another point, Pats are good, I'm not gonna take this away from them, but take into consideration the teams they have played. Their division sucks, big time, so 6 of their wins this season are against girl scout teams. 

     

    The Patriots have desttoyed two of the top 5 teams in just about every single power ranking you will find. Who has Indy beat that is better than SD or Dallas??

    That Argument is weak.

    Vegas don’t know what to do with the Pats this year. They have been instant cash all season. It’s like having an ATM that just spits out free money whenever you type in the pass code "Brady".  Don’t be fooled people!! This game won’t be close. Lay your money down on NE and stack the bank for some holiday shopping!

    This week you will see the “dialed in” version of the NE Defense (not the vanilla prevent stuff you have been seeing the past few weeks) all of the “exotic” packages get broken out for this one. The Colts Rookie Left Tackle is going to need all the help he can get, because he is going to be overmatched BIG TIME in this one. Vrabel & Co. will eat this kid alive if the Colts leave him on an island. This is the week when Manning is REALLY going to miss his old buddy Tarik Glenn. That left side is going to be an open runway for Patriot Blitzer’s.

    Brady led that scrub group of WR's to the AFCCG last season, and had them 1 first down away from another SB. A group headlined by RACHE CALDWELL (who cant crack the Skins line-up). Indy could barely contain them!!

    Imagine what Moss, Stallworth, and Welker are going to do!!

    NE wins this one GOING AWAY!!



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    WOW, what a bunch of
    On another point, Pats are good, I'm not gonna take this away from them, but take into consideration the teams they have played. Their division sucks, big time, so 6 of their wins this season are against girl scout teams. 

     

    The Patriots have desttoyed two of the top 5 teams in just about every single power ranking you will find. Who has Indy beat that is better than SD or Dallas??

    That Argument is weak.

    Vegas don’t know what to do with the Pats this year. They have been instant cash all season. It’s like having an ATM that just spits out free money whenever you type in the pass code "Brady".  Don’t be fooled people!! This game won’t be close. Lay your money down on NE and stack the bank for some holiday shopping!

    This week you will see the “dialed in” version of the NE Defense (not the vanilla prevent stuff you have been seeing the past few weeks) all of the “exotic” packages get broken out for this one. The Colts Rookie Left Tackle is going to need all the help he can get, because he is going to be overmatched BIG TIME in this one. Vrabel & Co. will eat this kid alive if the Colts leave him on an island. This is the week when Manning is REALLY going to miss his old buddy Tarik Glenn. That left side is going to be an open runway for Patriot Blitzer’s.

    Brady led that scrub group of WR's to the AFCCG last season, and had them 1 first down away from another SB. A group headlined by RACHE CALDWELL (who cant crack the Skins line-up). Indy could barely contain them!!

    Imagine what Moss, Stallworth, and Welker are going to do!!

    NE wins this one GOING AWAY!!



     
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    Posted: Oct. 31, 2007 - 8:03 PM ET #68

    Quote Originally Posted by chrischase1981:

     

    Then why did they almost lose to the Titans and Texans? Why didn't they control the clock then.



    Because they play in the best division in the league, and the AFC South plays divisional games harder than any other games.  Patriots division is a joke;
    Phins
    Bills
    Jets

    They might as well sell girl scout cookies outside of Walmart,  what a joke
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    Then why did they almost lose to the Titans and Texans? Why didn't they control the clock then.



    Because they play in the best division in the league, and the AFC South plays divisional games harder than any other games.  Patriots division is a joke;
    Phins
    Bills
    Jets

    They might as well sell girl scout cookies outside of Walmart,  what a joke
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by blueglass79:



    Because they play in the best division in the league, and the AFC South plays divisional games harder than any other games.  Patriots division is a joke;
    Phins
    Bills
    Jets

    They might as well sell girl scout cookies outside of Walmart,  what a joke

     

    We didn't have a problem beating up on SD,CLE, and DAL.

    Beat Cowboys by 21.

    Trend stays alive. We beat Indy by atleast 17.

     

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    Because they play in the best division in the league, and the AFC South plays divisional games harder than any other games.  Patriots division is a joke;
    Phins
    Bills
    Jets

    They might as well sell girl scout cookies outside of Walmart,  what a joke

     

    We didn't have a problem beating up on SD,CLE, and DAL.

    Beat Cowboys by 21.

    Trend stays alive. We beat Indy by atleast 17.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by blueglass79:



    Because they play in the best division in the league, and the AFC South plays divisional games harder than any other games.  Patriots division is a joke;
    Phins
    Bills
    Jets

    They might as well sell girl scout cookies outside of Walmart,  what a joke


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    Because they play in the best division in the league, and the AFC South plays divisional games harder than any other games.  Patriots division is a joke;
    Phins
    Bills
    Jets

    They might as well sell girl scout cookies outside of Walmart,  what a joke


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    Quote Originally Posted by danstyk:



    Note the avatar:
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    All you need to know.

     

    Nicely noted. Just another sore loser.....

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    Note the avatar:
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    All you need to know.

     

    Nicely noted. Just another sore loser.....

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by blueglass79:



    Because they play in the best division in the league, and the AFC South plays divisional games harder than any other games.  Patriots division is a joke;
    Phins
    Bills
    Jets

    They might as well sell girl scout cookies outside of Walmart,  what a joke

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    Because they play in the best division in the league, and the AFC South plays divisional games harder than any other games.  Patriots division is a joke;
    Phins
    Bills
    Jets

    They might as well sell girl scout cookies outside of Walmart,  what a joke

    52-7

     
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    OVERALL OFFENSE:
    New England 1st
    Indianapolis 3rd
    Advantage: New England
    OVERALL DEFENSE:
    New England 3rd
    Indianapolis 4th
    Advantage: New England
    3RD DOWN CONVERSION %
    New England 3rd
    Indianapolis 2nd
    Advantage: Indianapolis
    3RD DOWN DEFENSE
    New England 1st (28.7%)
    Indianapolis 28th (48.2%)
    Advantage: New England
    TURNOVER DIFFERENTIAL
    New England 1st
    Indianapolis 1st
    Advantage: Tie
    RUSHING YPG
    New England 8th
    Indianapolis 5th
    Advantage: Indianapolis
    RUSHING YPG ALLOWED
    New England 5th
    Indianapolis 13th
    Advantage: New England
    AGAINST THE SPREAD:
    New England 8-0
    Indianapolis 5-2
    Advantage: New England
    OPPONENT'S COMBINED RECORD:
    New England 24-34
    Indianapolis 27-24
    Advantage: Indianapolis
    AVERAGE RANK OF OFFENSES PLAYED
    New England 17.3
    Indianapolis 16
    Advantage: Indianapolis
    AVERAGE RANK OF DEFENSES PLAYED
    New England 22.7
    Indianapolis 15.7
    Advantage: Indianapolis
    TOTAL OF 5 ADVANTAGES FOR EACH TEAM. 
    -PATS OFFENSE BEAT INDY DEFENSE
    -PATS DEFENSE AND INDY OFFENSE EQUAL
    -PATS COACHING BEAT INDY COACHING
    -SPECIAL TEAMS ARE EQUAL
    -BIG DIFFERENCE IN 3RD DOWN DEFENSE
    = PATS HAVE SLIGHT ADVANTAGE. TAKE THEM STRAIGHT UP AND IGNORE THE SPREAD.
     
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    New England 1st
    Indianapolis 3rd
    Advantage: New England
    OVERALL DEFENSE:
    New England 3rd
    Indianapolis 4th
    Advantage: New England
    3RD DOWN CONVERSION %
    New England 3rd
    Indianapolis 2nd
    Advantage: Indianapolis
    3RD DOWN DEFENSE
    New England 1st (28.7%)
    Indianapolis 28th (48.2%)
    Advantage: New England
    TURNOVER DIFFERENTIAL
    New England 1st
    Indianapolis 1st
    Advantage: Tie
    RUSHING YPG
    New England 8th
    Indianapolis 5th
    Advantage: Indianapolis
    RUSHING YPG ALLOWED
    New England 5th
    Indianapolis 13th
    Advantage: New England
    AGAINST THE SPREAD:
    New England 8-0
    Indianapolis 5-2
    Advantage: New England
    OPPONENT'S COMBINED RECORD:
    New England 24-34
    Indianapolis 27-24
    Advantage: Indianapolis
    AVERAGE RANK OF OFFENSES PLAYED
    New England 17.3
    Indianapolis 16
    Advantage: Indianapolis
    AVERAGE RANK OF DEFENSES PLAYED
    New England 22.7
    Indianapolis 15.7
    Advantage: Indianapolis
    TOTAL OF 5 ADVANTAGES FOR EACH TEAM. 
    -PATS OFFENSE BEAT INDY DEFENSE
    -PATS DEFENSE AND INDY OFFENSE EQUAL
    -PATS COACHING BEAT INDY COACHING
    -SPECIAL TEAMS ARE EQUAL
    -BIG DIFFERENCE IN 3RD DOWN DEFENSE
    = PATS HAVE SLIGHT ADVANTAGE. TAKE THEM STRAIGHT UP AND IGNORE THE SPREAD.
     
     
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    ANY OTHER STUPID QUESTIONS?  I HOPE NOT BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS, THESE ARE THE TWO BEST TEAMS IN FOOTBALL, IT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT GAME.  I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED IF INDY WON, I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED IF NEW ENGLAND WINS.  LET'S TRY TO AVOID THE RETARDED POSTS FROM NOW ON AND GIVE ACTUAL INSIGHT AND USEFUL THOUGHTS, UNLIKE BLUEGLASS79  (F*CK THE PATS?) AND SO ON.  WE KNOW YOU ARE AN INDY FAN, BUT COME ON NOW
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    WOW, and after reading this, I can tell you bought a pair of Brady's underwear off Ebay, and smells them every night before bedtime. 


    Smelling Brady's draws put money in my bank. Fuck blueglass!!!!!
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    Smelling Brady's draws put money in my bank. Fuck blueglass!!!!!
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