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    New England at Indianapolis (11/04/2007)

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    Posted: Oct. 31, 2007 - 2:32 AM ET #26

    This patriots team was built to beat the colts.  May I say revenge?  Just imagine how sick belichek was after blowing an 18 pt lead on that championship game.  Now that he acquired more arsenal on offense and on defense, I don't think the colts will have any chance on this one. 
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    This patriots team was built to beat the colts.  May I say revenge?  Just imagine how sick belichek was after blowing an 18 pt lead on that championship game.  Now that he acquired more arsenal on offense and on defense, I don't think the colts will have any chance on this one. 
     
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    Chris, In order for the Colts to cover much less win, they would need several things to happen.  One of them is what you and others have stated by keeping the Pman off the field.  Two, they need the Pats to have a horrible game (knock on wood).  Three, the Colts will need at least a 4/1 turnover ratio (knock on wood again).  With the way Brady and crew are playing, I don't see any of these things happening.  This game has too much on the line.  The Pats have assembled a team on both sides of the ball that will avenge the last 3 losses to the Colts and we have the best coaching staff and owner in the league.
     
    GL to all Pats fans and Happy Halloween!  May your pockets be full of cash this time next week.
     
      
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    Chris, In order for the Colts to cover much less win, they would need several things to happen.  One of them is what you and others have stated by keeping the Pman off the field.  Two, they need the Pats to have a horrible game (knock on wood).  Three, the Colts will need at least a 4/1 turnover ratio (knock on wood again).  With the way Brady and crew are playing, I don't see any of these things happening.  This game has too much on the line.  The Pats have assembled a team on both sides of the ball that will avenge the last 3 losses to the Colts and we have the best coaching staff and owner in the league.
     
    GL to all Pats fans and Happy Halloween!  May your pockets be full of cash this time next week.
     
      
     
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    Posted: Oct. 31, 2007 - 2:44 AM ET #28

    one point of note here... this line opened up at 4.5 or 4... nothing too shocking, except that it was well-known beforehand in Vegas sportsbooks that all of the money would be coming in on NE in this one... my feeling is that the Vegas books are betting on the Colts in this game... one confirmation of this will be if the line never gets to 7... because there is definitely enough money to get it there, unless the books intentionally hold it under to get more NE money...
     
    the books do not like to get slaughtered on a game... there are basically 2 types of games from their perspective... 1) games where they feel very confident about which team will cover, and don't worry about 1 sided betting... or 2) games where they do not feel confident in the line and just want comparable amounts of money on both sides...
     
    i don't think they believe they will be getting equal money on both sides of this game... and if the Pats cover a TD, they will lose their asses...
     
    we'll see how it goes... watch that line...
     
    i do agree with Chris... Colts will be running the ball a lot, but will basically be balanced... they know they have to attack all parts of the defense... they will need to be balanced... but running has been a strength this year, and the Pats haven't done well stopping it...
     
    ryn... if you think the fact that Bellicheck WANTS to blow them out is a factor here, you are... well, mistaken (to put it nicely)... the Colts aren't going to lay down just because he wants to crush them... trust me, he will be trying to score every single point he can... not because he wants to crush them... but because he wants to win... this has no bearing AT ALL on the pointspread... all coaches want to crush every team they play... it doesn't mean they can... if he can, he will... if he can't, he won't... simple as that!
     
    don't know if i'll bet it... but i do know that the perception that the Pats can dominate the Colts on their field is not a reality... the Colts are outscoring playoff caliber opponents on a weekly basis by a score of 32-14... they are an extremely impressive team... this is not a team the Pats can "name the score" against... the Colts have the #1 rated pass defense, and are strong in every aspect of the game... this will be a struggle no matter who wins...
     
    you people who think this will be a 48-17 type of game simply don't know football, and shouldn't be wagering your hard earned money on it...
     
    the simple fact that the overwhelming majority of the public thinks this is an easy win for the Pats tempts me to bet the Colts...
     
    the best play might be the under... especially if the number keeps going up...
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    one point of note here... this line opened up at 4.5 or 4... nothing too shocking, except that it was well-known beforehand in Vegas sportsbooks that all of the money would be coming in on NE in this one... my feeling is that the Vegas books are betting on the Colts in this game... one confirmation of this will be if the line never gets to 7... because there is definitely enough money to get it there, unless the books intentionally hold it under to get more NE money...
     
    the books do not like to get slaughtered on a game... there are basically 2 types of games from their perspective... 1) games where they feel very confident about which team will cover, and don't worry about 1 sided betting... or 2) games where they do not feel confident in the line and just want comparable amounts of money on both sides...
     
    i don't think they believe they will be getting equal money on both sides of this game... and if the Pats cover a TD, they will lose their asses...
     
    we'll see how it goes... watch that line...
     
    i do agree with Chris... Colts will be running the ball a lot, but will basically be balanced... they know they have to attack all parts of the defense... they will need to be balanced... but running has been a strength this year, and the Pats haven't done well stopping it...
     
    ryn... if you think the fact that Bellicheck WANTS to blow them out is a factor here, you are... well, mistaken (to put it nicely)... the Colts aren't going to lay down just because he wants to crush them... trust me, he will be trying to score every single point he can... not because he wants to crush them... but because he wants to win... this has no bearing AT ALL on the pointspread... all coaches want to crush every team they play... it doesn't mean they can... if he can, he will... if he can't, he won't... simple as that!
     
    don't know if i'll bet it... but i do know that the perception that the Pats can dominate the Colts on their field is not a reality... the Colts are outscoring playoff caliber opponents on a weekly basis by a score of 32-14... they are an extremely impressive team... this is not a team the Pats can "name the score" against... the Colts have the #1 rated pass defense, and are strong in every aspect of the game... this will be a struggle no matter who wins...
     
    you people who think this will be a 48-17 type of game simply don't know football, and shouldn't be wagering your hard earned money on it...
     
    the simple fact that the overwhelming majority of the public thinks this is an easy win for the Pats tempts me to bet the Colts...
     
    the best play might be the under... especially if the number keeps going up...
     
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    oh yea... look for the Pats to run the ball a lot as well... Maroney should have his highest number of carries so far this year... someone mentioned the Colts and Dungy aren't dumb... well neither is Bellicheck... he knows he MUST establish a running game in this one... if he tries to line up 4 WRs all game they will be playing right into the strength of the Colts defense...
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    oh yea... look for the Pats to run the ball a lot as well... Maroney should have his highest number of carries so far this year... someone mentioned the Colts and Dungy aren't dumb... well neither is Bellicheck... he knows he MUST establish a running game in this one... if he tries to line up 4 WRs all game they will be playing right into the strength of the Colts defense...
     
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    Posted: Oct. 31, 2007 - 4:37 AM ET #30

    correction to my earlier post... the earliest line on this game opened at NE (-3)... my book opened up at (-4.5) after the early betting...
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    correction to my earlier post... the earliest line on this game opened at NE (-3)... my book opened up at (-4.5) after the early betting...
     
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    Posted: Oct. 31, 2007 - 4:39 AM ET #31

    would love to see some analysis from some actual handicappers... lots of fans talking smack, but not much real handicapping info to this point, with only a couple of exceptions...
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    would love to see some analysis from some actual handicappers... lots of fans talking smack, but not much real handicapping info to this point, with only a couple of exceptions...
     
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    Posted: Oct. 31, 2007 - 4:54 AM ET #32

    CMJohnson on Pats = TAke Colts!  This guy had carolina over Indy last week, we all know how that turned out, yet another huge cash on Indy.
     
    GoG as usual i am with you - where are the cappers on this thread?  Lots of shallow talk - I agree with the Colts guy on that.
     
    I think Indy is a better team.  I think their secondary matches up well with NE'ds receiver's and their speed withill put enough pressure on Brady.  Like Peyton - Brady rattles very easily.  he hates to get hoit - he just rarely does.  You shake him up and he is all over the board, like my Steelers did to peyton in the AFC title game two years ago - which was only close because the ref's blew that intercewption call by Polamalu.  Anyway back to this year, NE hasd enough talent to hold NE to under 28 points and I see Indy gettong at least that.  Indy has the edge in running backs, receivers, and yes - QB.  defense is pretty even.  So go with peyton and the points at home.  I wont be betting the plane on Indy like I did last week but it will still be a multi-unit play.  GL all.
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    CMJohnson on Pats = TAke Colts!  This guy had carolina over Indy last week, we all know how that turned out, yet another huge cash on Indy.
     
    GoG as usual i am with you - where are the cappers on this thread?  Lots of shallow talk - I agree with the Colts guy on that.
     
    I think Indy is a better team.  I think their secondary matches up well with NE'ds receiver's and their speed withill put enough pressure on Brady.  Like Peyton - Brady rattles very easily.  he hates to get hoit - he just rarely does.  You shake him up and he is all over the board, like my Steelers did to peyton in the AFC title game two years ago - which was only close because the ref's blew that intercewption call by Polamalu.  Anyway back to this year, NE hasd enough talent to hold NE to under 28 points and I see Indy gettong at least that.  Indy has the edge in running backs, receivers, and yes - QB.  defense is pretty even.  So go with peyton and the points at home.  I wont be betting the plane on Indy like I did last week but it will still be a multi-unit play.  GL all.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 31, 2007 - 4:56 AM ET #33

    28-24 Indy
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    Posted: Oct. 31, 2007 - 4:59 AM ET #34

    Im gonna wait till the line moves and moves, then either take the Colts at +7 or +8, or maybe even Colts ML.
     
     
    Won big Monday on Packers ML, so I just might have to keep a good thing going.
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    Im gonna wait till the line moves and moves, then either take the Colts at +7 or +8, or maybe even Colts ML.
     
     
    Won big Monday on Packers ML, so I just might have to keep a good thing going.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 31, 2007 - 5:03 AM ET #35

    Gog I agree, the lack of football knowlege on this thread is stunning at times.  This one kid comes on here last week talking all this BS - "OK, time for some real picks".  His picks were St. Louis, Carolina, Cinci, Tennessee, Washington. And I'm missing something.  He went like 1-7 or 2-6 at best.  I mean just absolute garbage picks.  And then you try to help thge kid and you get is a byunch of crap, so maybe next time I won't try.  I'll take my 4-1 record and add it to my winnings.  If I could just lay off college i could have bought anotrher hoiuse with NFL profits this year, and that's just with what Indy, NE and Pitt have been winning me this year alone.
     
    There are a small handful of good cappers, ie Big daddy and Scorp, whose input is always appreciated.  Hopefully we will see more serious players come in as the season goes on, so far it sounds like the fantasy crowd in here for the most part.
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    Gog I agree, the lack of football knowlege on this thread is stunning at times.  This one kid comes on here last week talking all this BS - "OK, time for some real picks".  His picks were St. Louis, Carolina, Cinci, Tennessee, Washington. And I'm missing something.  He went like 1-7 or 2-6 at best.  I mean just absolute garbage picks.  And then you try to help thge kid and you get is a byunch of crap, so maybe next time I won't try.  I'll take my 4-1 record and add it to my winnings.  If I could just lay off college i could have bought anotrher hoiuse with NFL profits this year, and that's just with what Indy, NE and Pitt have been winning me this year alone.
     
    There are a small handful of good cappers, ie Big daddy and Scorp, whose input is always appreciated.  Hopefully we will see more serious players come in as the season goes on, so far it sounds like the fantasy crowd in here for the most part.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by CMJohnson1:

    The Colts have basically played a bunch of .500 teams, while the Pats have played both ends of the spectrum, with San Diego and Dallas who will both be playoff teams mixed in with the Bills and Dolphins and Jets. 

    this is what i'm talking about... this isn't handicapping information... it's painting the roses red!  you make it sound like the Pats have the edge in strength of schedule, when everyone knows it hasn't even been close... i like how the "Colts have played a bunch of .500 teams"... the worst they have played is Houston at 3-5, but 3-2 outside of the AFC South... with the best being Tennessee and Jacksonville at 5-2 (both playoff bound teams and a combined 8-1 outside of their division)... but the Patriots have played "both ends of the spectrum", including 2 playoff teams (SD is 4-3 in arguably the weakest division in football... outside of the Pats division, of course)...

    The Patriots have played 3 of the top 6 ranked offensive teams in the NFL (Dallas, Cincy, and Cleveland) and shut them down.  The 2 top offensive teams that Indy have played has been Denver and Houston.  They gave up over 20 points to both of them. 

    interesting... no mention of the fact that the Colts have only played 1 team in the bottom 10 on defense... the Pats have played all of the bottom 4, and 5 of the bottom 10... not to mention failing to mention that the Pats have given up 28 points and 27 points (not exactly shutting them down)... that is more than the Colts have given up in any games this year...

    don't argue!  make an argument... this is weak information...

    are you here to blindly convince people the Pats are the right side, or are you here to actually show that it is?  because i thought this was a thread for sharing handicapping information...

    almost everything on this thread is pure garbage... including some of the info from people siding with the Colts...

    let's get something useful going here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CMJohnson1:

    The Colts have basically played a bunch of .500 teams, while the Pats have played both ends of the spectrum, with San Diego and Dallas who will both be playoff teams mixed in with the Bills and Dolphins and Jets. 

    this is what i'm talking about... this isn't handicapping information... it's painting the roses red!  you make it sound like the Pats have the edge in strength of schedule, when everyone knows it hasn't even been close... i like how the "Colts have played a bunch of .500 teams"... the worst they have played is Houston at 3-5, but 3-2 outside of the AFC South... with the best being Tennessee and Jacksonville at 5-2 (both playoff bound teams and a combined 8-1 outside of their division)... but the Patriots have played "both ends of the spectrum", including 2 playoff teams (SD is 4-3 in arguably the weakest division in football... outside of the Pats division, of course)...

    The Patriots have played 3 of the top 6 ranked offensive teams in the NFL (Dallas, Cincy, and Cleveland) and shut them down.  The 2 top offensive teams that Indy have played has been Denver and Houston.  They gave up over 20 points to both of them. 

    interesting... no mention of the fact that the Colts have only played 1 team in the bottom 10 on defense... the Pats have played all of the bottom 4, and 5 of the bottom 10... not to mention failing to mention that the Pats have given up 28 points and 27 points (not exactly shutting them down)... that is more than the Colts have given up in any games this year...

    don't argue!  make an argument... this is weak information...

    are you here to blindly convince people the Pats are the right side, or are you here to actually show that it is?  because i thought this was a thread for sharing handicapping information...

    almost everything on this thread is pure garbage... including some of the info from people siding with the Colts...

    let's get something useful going here...

     
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    i hear ya, teabag... i will probably just stop checking these threads... you have to wade through so much garbage to find the people who understand football and betting... not worth the headache...
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    First I will state up front I am A Colts fan. This should be a great game to watch. You don't see this much talent on the field but a few times in your life.  The Colts have the team to give the Pats a real game and I think they will do just that. Just like the Pats are PISSED about the "cheater b.s." I don't think the Colts are too damn happy about being the Super Bowl Champs and undefeated so far this season and yet most people have already given this years super bowl to the Pats. I know how the Pats used to have Peytons number but he went along way last year when he came back to the second half of the game and carried his team to a come back victory over the Pats. I know the Pats are going to play a good game and score alot but the colts can do something no one else has so far this year, match them putting points on the board. The speed of the Indy D should keep Brady from being able to stand in the pocket like a statue so that will be a change for him and may give Indy an int which I think will be the difference in this game at the end (turnovers) the D that forces turnovers will win this game. I look for Moss to get his share Brady to have 3 tds in the air but N E is going to try to run the ball down Indy's throat (c'mon Bob Sanders brother you need to save us here) If Indy can slow the run game of the Pats they will be going toward victory in this game.  Going to be a great game to watch. My lean is toward Indy right now, my heart say's take them but I am trying to use what little brain I have.
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    First I will state up front I am A Colts fan. This should be a great game to watch. You don't see this much talent on the field but a few times in your life.  The Colts have the team to give the Pats a real game and I think they will do just that. Just like the Pats are PISSED about the "cheater b.s." I don't think the Colts are too damn happy about being the Super Bowl Champs and undefeated so far this season and yet most people have already given this years super bowl to the Pats. I know how the Pats used to have Peytons number but he went along way last year when he came back to the second half of the game and carried his team to a come back victory over the Pats. I know the Pats are going to play a good game and score alot but the colts can do something no one else has so far this year, match them putting points on the board. The speed of the Indy D should keep Brady from being able to stand in the pocket like a statue so that will be a change for him and may give Indy an int which I think will be the difference in this game at the end (turnovers) the D that forces turnovers will win this game. I look for Moss to get his share Brady to have 3 tds in the air but N E is going to try to run the ball down Indy's throat (c'mon Bob Sanders brother you need to save us here) If Indy can slow the run game of the Pats they will be going toward victory in this game.  Going to be a great game to watch. My lean is toward Indy right now, my heart say's take them but I am trying to use what little brain I have.
     
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    I haven't posted in a while, but gotta give my opinion for this game. First-Teabag you are absolutely right, a lot of idiots just yappin away on these threads, you really have to sift through the garbage for some good input-like from yourself and the guys you mentioned. Second-after two weeks of gettin pounded, I hit the book over the head this week, almost like I could do no wrong, so I'm wary of this week, but I feel too damn good right now. I like the Colts gettin all these points, and will probably buy a half or a whole point for the whole game. 6 point home dogs already, wonder how high it might go? NE most impressive road win was against the stinkin Cowboys, and that game was a whole lot tighter than the final. How about the dolphins gettin close to that spread and scoring 28 points? It ain't like the Pats were just LETTING them score. That dome will be rockin like never before, there is quite a recent history between these teams. NE hasn't had to play in that environment yet this year. Pats have not played any team that can score like the Colts-and Peyton is at his best in that dome. I thought the line should be closer to 3.5, but the public interest in the Pats is keepin this line where it is, if not higher. Most people probably think they are getting a deal for the Pats givin only a TD. Not me-I,m buying a hook or a whole and relaxin. Good luck on all your plays.
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    I haven't posted in a while, but gotta give my opinion for this game. First-Teabag you are absolutely right, a lot of idiots just yappin away on these threads, you really have to sift through the garbage for some good input-like from yourself and the guys you mentioned. Second-after two weeks of gettin pounded, I hit the book over the head this week, almost like I could do no wrong, so I'm wary of this week, but I feel too damn good right now. I like the Colts gettin all these points, and will probably buy a half or a whole point for the whole game. 6 point home dogs already, wonder how high it might go? NE most impressive road win was against the stinkin Cowboys, and that game was a whole lot tighter than the final. How about the dolphins gettin close to that spread and scoring 28 points? It ain't like the Pats were just LETTING them score. That dome will be rockin like never before, there is quite a recent history between these teams. NE hasn't had to play in that environment yet this year. Pats have not played any team that can score like the Colts-and Peyton is at his best in that dome. I thought the line should be closer to 3.5, but the public interest in the Pats is keepin this line where it is, if not higher. Most people probably think they are getting a deal for the Pats givin only a TD. Not me-I,m buying a hook or a whole and relaxin. Good luck on all your plays.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoG:

    i hear ya, teabag... i will probably just stop checking these threads... you have to wade through so much garbage to find the people who understand football and betting... not worth the headache...

    Yeah  and you guys are the greatest handicappers of all time.  You can handicap until your blue in the face and still come up with a loser.  There are not too many handicappers better than RobertoFiory and he handicapped the Monday night game and was willing to call it his game of the year with Denver winning and by the way i was with him and who won the game.  The reason you are not seeing a lot of stats on this game is because when a team demolishes everything in sight like the Pats it would take you three days to list their pros and 2 seconds to list their cons.  Myself i have won on every Pats game this year and they will cover anything up to 7 just too many weapons and thats all the handicapping you have to do.  Colts will win if Brady and company all get injured.

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    i hear ya, teabag... i will probably just stop checking these threads... you have to wade through so much garbage to find the people who understand football and betting... not worth the headache...

    Yeah  and you guys are the greatest handicappers of all time.  You can handicap until your blue in the face and still come up with a loser.  There are not too many handicappers better than RobertoFiory and he handicapped the Monday night game and was willing to call it his game of the year with Denver winning and by the way i was with him and who won the game.  The reason you are not seeing a lot of stats on this game is because when a team demolishes everything in sight like the Pats it would take you three days to list their pros and 2 seconds to list their cons.  Myself i have won on every Pats game this year and they will cover anything up to 7 just too many weapons and thats all the handicapping you have to do.  Colts will win if Brady and company all get injured.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoG:

    oh yea... look for the Pats to run the ball a lot as well... Maroney should have his highest number of carries so far this year... someone mentioned the Colts and Dungy aren't dumb... well neither is Bellicheck... he knows he MUST establish a running game in this one... if he tries to line up 4 WRs all game they will be playing right into the strength of the Colts defense...

     

    I thought Sanders was their key D man. That would keep the ball in the air for the Pats.

     

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    oh yea... look for the Pats to run the ball a lot as well... Maroney should have his highest number of carries so far this year... someone mentioned the Colts and Dungy aren't dumb... well neither is Bellicheck... he knows he MUST establish a running game in this one... if he tries to line up 4 WRs all game they will be playing right into the strength of the Colts defense...

     

    I thought Sanders was their key D man. That would keep the ball in the air for the Pats.

     

     
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    I just wanted to point out a few things for the Indy backers.
     
    Who have they beat? No one......
     
    NOR = 3-4 record
    TEN = almost lost this one
    HOU = won by 6 ( 3-5 record )
    DEN = 3-5 record
    TB = the only win that impressed me.
    JAX = Gray was the QB for this game..... enough said
    CAR = Carr / Testaverde < need I say more
     
    Patriots......
     
    We smashed, and I mean smashed the following
     
    San Diego
    Cleveland
    Dallas ( no one else will beat the boys by 21 this season )
    Washington
     
    Plus we beat all of them by atleast 17.
     
    Pats beat higher caliber teams. Beat them by more points, and had no close games all year long.
     
    As for the line being so low...... What is Vegas supposed to put the line at.
     
    Pats are favored in Indi, with Indi being the reigning champs, and they're are undefeated....
     
    Has any team been undefeated at home this far into the season been the underdog...... Most likely not. Plus they have last years rings to boot.....
     
    Pats to cover up to 7 is a lock in my book. Just need to figure out the O/U now.
     
    Like I said before, if the Colts try to keep the Pats from scoring they'll have to utilize the run throughout most of this game.
     
    I'm leaning towards the over but if anyone hax some really good points I'm all ears.
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    I just wanted to point out a few things for the Indy backers.
     
    Who have they beat? No one......
     
    NOR = 3-4 record
    TEN = almost lost this one
    HOU = won by 6 ( 3-5 record )
    DEN = 3-5 record
    TB = the only win that impressed me.
    JAX = Gray was the QB for this game..... enough said
    CAR = Carr / Testaverde < need I say more
     
    Patriots......
     
    We smashed, and I mean smashed the following
     
    San Diego
    Cleveland
    Dallas ( no one else will beat the boys by 21 this season )
    Washington
     
    Plus we beat all of them by atleast 17.
     
    Pats beat higher caliber teams. Beat them by more points, and had no close games all year long.
     
    As for the line being so low...... What is Vegas supposed to put the line at.
     
    Pats are favored in Indi, with Indi being the reigning champs, and they're are undefeated....
     
    Has any team been undefeated at home this far into the season been the underdog...... Most likely not. Plus they have last years rings to boot.....
     
    Pats to cover up to 7 is a lock in my book. Just need to figure out the O/U now.
     
    Like I said before, if the Colts try to keep the Pats from scoring they'll have to utilize the run throughout most of this game.
     
    I'm leaning towards the over but if anyone hax some really good points I'm all ears.
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    I just wanted to point out a few things for the Indy backers.
     
    Who have they beat? No one......
     
    NOR = 3-4 record
    TEN = almost lost this one
    HOU = won by 6 ( 3-5 record )
    DEN = 3-5 record
    TB = the only win that impressed me.
    JAX = Gray was the QB for this game..... enough said
    CAR = Carr / Testaverde < need I say more
     
    Patriots......
     
    We smashed, and I mean smashed the following
     
    San Diego
    Cleveland
    Dallas ( no one else will beat the boys by 21 this season )
    Washington
     
    Plus we beat all of them by atleast 17.
     
    Pats beat higher caliber teams. Beat them by more points, and had no close games all year long.
     
    As for the line being so low...... What is Vegas supposed to put the line at.
     
    Pats are favored in Indi, with Indi being the reigning champs, and they're are undefeated....
     
    Has any team been undefeated at home this far into the season been the underdog...... Most likely not. Plus they have last years rings to boot.....
     
    Pats to cover up to 7 is a lock in my book. Just need to figure out the O/U now.
     
    Like I said before, if the Colts try to keep the Pats from scoring they'll have to utilize the run throughout most of this game.
     
    I'm leaning towards the over but if anyone hax some really good points I'm all ears.
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    I just wanted to point out a few things for the Indy backers.
     
    Who have they beat? No one......
     
    NOR = 3-4 record
    TEN = almost lost this one
    HOU = won by 6 ( 3-5 record )
    DEN = 3-5 record
    TB = the only win that impressed me.
    JAX = Gray was the QB for this game..... enough said
    CAR = Carr / Testaverde < need I say more
     
    Patriots......
     
    We smashed, and I mean smashed the following
     
    San Diego
    Cleveland
    Dallas ( no one else will beat the boys by 21 this season )
    Washington
     
    Plus we beat all of them by atleast 17.
     
    Pats beat higher caliber teams. Beat them by more points, and had no close games all year long.
     
    As for the line being so low...... What is Vegas supposed to put the line at.
     
    Pats are favored in Indi, with Indi being the reigning champs, and they're are undefeated....
     
    Has any team been undefeated at home this far into the season been the underdog...... Most likely not. Plus they have last years rings to boot.....
     
    Pats to cover up to 7 is a lock in my book. Just need to figure out the O/U now.
     
    Like I said before, if the Colts try to keep the Pats from scoring they'll have to utilize the run throughout most of this game.
     
    I'm leaning towards the over but if anyone hax some really good points I'm all ears.
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrischase1981:

    I just wanted to point out a few things for the Indy backers.
     
    Who have they beat? No one......
     
    NOR = 3-4 record
    TEN = almost lost this one
    HOU = won by 6 ( 3-5 record )
    DEN = 3-5 record
    TB = the only win that impressed me.
    JAX = Gray was the QB for this game..... enough said
    CAR = Carr / Testaverde < need I say more
     
    Patriots......
     
    We smashed, and I mean smashed the following
     
    San Diego
    Cleveland
    Dallas ( no one else will beat the boys by 21 this season )
    Washington
     
    Plus we beat all of them by atleast 17.
     
    Pats beat higher caliber teams. Beat them by more points, and had no close games all year long.
     
    As for the line being so low...... What is Vegas supposed to put the line at.
     
    Pats are favored in Indi, with Indi being the reigning champs, and they're are undefeated....
     
    Has any team been undefeated at home this far into the season been the underdog...... Most likely not. Plus they have last years rings to boot.....
     
    Pats to cover up to 7 is a lock in my book. Just need to figure out the O/U now.
     
    Like I said before, if the Colts try to keep the Pats from scoring they'll have to utilize the run throughout most of this game.
     
    I'm leaning towards the over but if anyone hax some really good points I'm all ears.
     
     
    I agree with everything you said just wish you wouldn't have used the "L" word.
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    I just wanted to point out a few things for the Indy backers.
     
    Who have they beat? No one......
     
    NOR = 3-4 record
    TEN = almost lost this one
    HOU = won by 6 ( 3-5 record )
    DEN = 3-5 record
    TB = the only win that impressed me.
    JAX = Gray was the QB for this game..... enough said
    CAR = Carr / Testaverde < need I say more
     
    Patriots......
     
    We smashed, and I mean smashed the following
     
    San Diego
    Cleveland
    Dallas ( no one else will beat the boys by 21 this season )
    Washington
     
    Plus we beat all of them by atleast 17.
     
    Pats beat higher caliber teams. Beat them by more points, and had no close games all year long.
     
    As for the line being so low...... What is Vegas supposed to put the line at.
     
    Pats are favored in Indi, with Indi being the reigning champs, and they're are undefeated....
     
    Has any team been undefeated at home this far into the season been the underdog...... Most likely not. Plus they have last years rings to boot.....
     
    Pats to cover up to 7 is a lock in my book. Just need to figure out the O/U now.
     
    Like I said before, if the Colts try to keep the Pats from scoring they'll have to utilize the run throughout most of this game.
     
    I'm leaning towards the over but if anyone hax some really good points I'm all ears.
     
     
    I agree with everything you said just wish you wouldn't have used the "L" word.
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Weather question does anyone have stats on sloppy condtions on the over/ under ??
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    "As for the line being so low...... What is Vegas supposed to put the line at."


    it opened at NE (-3), and that is the lowest line they could have possibly opened at... there is no way they would not get a RUSH of NE money with that line... THAT was the lock of the century... they could have opened it at NE (-6) and would still get more money on the Pats...

    just take that for what it's worth... when i saw it open at (-4.5) at my book i knew that it was too low and would definitely go up to 7 or more... the public was itching to bet on NE in this game...

    as for Sanders being their key defender... don't know if you've watched a lot of their games but he is the key defender against the pass... he floats back there and makes it impossible for the QB to find open WRs in the middle... and the pass rush is what has been making it impossible to find WRs deep down the field on the edges... in this game, Indy wants to force the Pats to run, so i expect to see Sanders primarily dropping back... the key for the Pats to win this game is to establish the run enough that play-action will actually work... if they can't draw Sanders up into the box, they will be ineffective throwing the ball...

    i'm starting to think a good play would be to bet the Pats first half, expecting them to get an early lead, and then double up on the Colts at halftime, expecting them to make a comeback... but i'm afraid it would backfire if the Colts keep it close or have a lead at halftime, and i will miss the opportunity on the Colts...
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    it opened at NE (-3), and that is the lowest line they could have possibly opened at... there is no way they would not get a RUSH of NE money with that line... THAT was the lock of the century... they could have opened it at NE (-6) and would still get more money on the Pats...

    just take that for what it's worth... when i saw it open at (-4.5) at my book i knew that it was too low and would definitely go up to 7 or more... the public was itching to bet on NE in this game...

    as for Sanders being their key defender... don't know if you've watched a lot of their games but he is the key defender against the pass... he floats back there and makes it impossible for the QB to find open WRs in the middle... and the pass rush is what has been making it impossible to find WRs deep down the field on the edges... in this game, Indy wants to force the Pats to run, so i expect to see Sanders primarily dropping back... the key for the Pats to win this game is to establish the run enough that play-action will actually work... if they can't draw Sanders up into the box, they will be ineffective throwing the ball...

    i'm starting to think a good play would be to bet the Pats first half, expecting them to get an early lead, and then double up on the Colts at halftime, expecting them to make a comeback... but i'm afraid it would backfire if the Colts keep it close or have a lead at halftime, and i will miss the opportunity on the Colts...
     
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    PATS will score high in this game. No defense can stop them. Look what happened with DALLAS AND WASHINGTON....
     
    The only way that the COLTS can hang on, is by scoring lots of points also... which I don't think is going to happen. PATS defense should be more than able to contain them.
     
    You may think I'm crazy by saying this, but THIS IS A LOCK GAME FOR NE once again this weekend.
     
    PATS should score at least 38.
     
    PATS 38
    INDY  24
     
     
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    PATS will score high in this game. No defense can stop them. Look what happened with DALLAS AND WASHINGTON....
     
    The only way that the COLTS can hang on, is by scoring lots of points also... which I don't think is going to happen. PATS defense should be more than able to contain them.
     
    You may think I'm crazy by saying this, but THIS IS A LOCK GAME FOR NE once again this weekend.
     
    PATS should score at least 38.
     
    PATS 38
    INDY  24
     
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoG:

    "As for the line being so low...... What is Vegas supposed to put the line at."


    it opened at NE (-3), and that is the lowest line they could have possibly opened at... there is no way they would not get a RUSH of NE money with that line... THAT was the lock of the century... they could have opened it at NE (-6) and would still get more money on the Pats...

    just take that for what it's worth... when i saw it open at (-4.5) at my book i knew that it was too low and would definitely go up to 7 or more... the public was itching to bet on NE in this game...

    as for Sanders being their key defender... don't know if you've watched a lot of their games but he is the key defender against the pass... he floats back there and makes it impossible for the QB to find open WRs in the middle... and the pass rush is what has been making it impossible to find WRs deep down the field on the edges... in this game, Indy wants to force the Pats to run, so i expect to see Sanders primarily dropping back... the key for the Pats to win this game is to establish the run enough that play-action will actually work... if they can't draw Sanders up into the box, they will be ineffective throwing the ball...

    i'm starting to think a good play would be to bet the Pats first half, expecting them to get an early lead, and then double up on the Colts at halftime, expecting them to make a comeback... but i'm afraid it would backfire if the Colts keep it close or have a lead at halftime, and i will miss the opportunity on the Colts...

     

    So you expect Sanders to somehow cover Moss, Welker, Watson and Stallworth. I can see where he is a threat to most teams but no other team has the offensive arsenal that the Pats do right now. Main reason why the Pats have been blowing teams out. I don't see the Colts putting much pressure on Brady as no one has done it thus far. The only way the Colts have a chance in my mind is if they control the clock and make sure they score on just about every pos.. They won't be able to based on what the Pats have done to every other team.

     

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    "As for the line being so low...... What is Vegas supposed to put the line at."


    it opened at NE (-3), and that is the lowest line they could have possibly opened at... there is no way they would not get a RUSH of NE money with that line... THAT was the lock of the century... they could have opened it at NE (-6) and would still get more money on the Pats...

    just take that for what it's worth... when i saw it open at (-4.5) at my book i knew that it was too low and would definitely go up to 7 or more... the public was itching to bet on NE in this game...

    as for Sanders being their key defender... don't know if you've watched a lot of their games but he is the key defender against the pass... he floats back there and makes it impossible for the QB to find open WRs in the middle... and the pass rush is what has been making it impossible to find WRs deep down the field on the edges... in this game, Indy wants to force the Pats to run, so i expect to see Sanders primarily dropping back... the key for the Pats to win this game is to establish the run enough that play-action will actually work... if they can't draw Sanders up into the box, they will be ineffective throwing the ball...

    i'm starting to think a good play would be to bet the Pats first half, expecting them to get an early lead, and then double up on the Colts at halftime, expecting them to make a comeback... but i'm afraid it would backfire if the Colts keep it close or have a lead at halftime, and i will miss the opportunity on the Colts...

     

    So you expect Sanders to somehow cover Moss, Welker, Watson and Stallworth. I can see where he is a threat to most teams but no other team has the offensive arsenal that the Pats do right now. Main reason why the Pats have been blowing teams out. I don't see the Colts putting much pressure on Brady as no one has done it thus far. The only way the Colts have a chance in my mind is if they control the clock and make sure they score on just about every pos.. They won't be able to based on what the Pats have done to every other team.

     

     
     
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    Well one thing I truly believe deep down in the Bowels of my Gambling Stomach is: The Patriots are just off the chain   I mean like any team I've ever seen play the Game of Football, Ever!  Like I've said before, I'm a Patriots Fan, but even more so a "Football Fan"  When it comes to throwing my $$$ on a game, I don't let my Emotions take over which way I bet a game!  Even though it's always nice to have your Favorite Team doing all the Winning!  Since week No. 1 I've laid my $$$ on the Pats.  And every week I come here and read all the posts, which for the most part are very good and all have some sort of informative content to them.  But I just can't go with Trends, and Team Percentages, and who does this, and who does that every time the 2 teams match up.  The trends and Stats to me don't come into play with the Patriots this year!  It's so disgustingly lopsided.  I'm not telling anyone how to bet and were there $$$ should go, I'm not a Professional in any sense of the game.  But I'm not an idiot either (even though my girlfriend would argue that in great detail)  I'm purely going on what I see every week on the field, that's it.  I have seen the Patriots winning Games by serious Conviction!!!  I've also seen the Colts Winning Games, but not like the Pats Domination, it's just not there, I mean that's just how I'm seeing things.  Like I said, I'm not trying to sway anyone's thinking process here   but I really had no hard decision to make with this game.  I'm up close to $20k this Season, and all of it has been money on the Pats.  No ones Stats, Trends or Statistics can Convince me to lay my $$$ on the Colts!  And if I lose, I lose knowing it was the way "I Bet The Game" not going with this one or that one, ya know?! 
     
    So that being said, I wish you all the Best of Luck this Weekend  
     
      
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    Well one thing I truly believe deep down in the Bowels of my Gambling Stomach is: The Patriots are just off the chain   I mean like any team I've ever seen play the Game of Football, Ever!  Like I've said before, I'm a Patriots Fan, but even more so a "Football Fan"  When it comes to throwing my $$$ on a game, I don't let my Emotions take over which way I bet a game!  Even though it's always nice to have your Favorite Team doing all the Winning!  Since week No. 1 I've laid my $$$ on the Pats.  And every week I come here and read all the posts, which for the most part are very good and all have some sort of informative content to them.  But I just can't go with Trends, and Team Percentages, and who does this, and who does that every time the 2 teams match up.  The trends and Stats to me don't come into play with the Patriots this year!  It's so disgustingly lopsided.  I'm not telling anyone how to bet and were there $$$ should go, I'm not a Professional in any sense of the game.  But I'm not an idiot either (even though my girlfriend would argue that in great detail)  I'm purely going on what I see every week on the field, that's it.  I have seen the Patriots winning Games by serious Conviction!!!  I've also seen the Colts Winning Games, but not like the Pats Domination, it's just not there, I mean that's just how I'm seeing things.  Like I said, I'm not trying to sway anyone's thinking process here   but I really had no hard decision to make with this game.  I'm up close to $20k this Season, and all of it has been money on the Pats.  No ones Stats, Trends or Statistics can Convince me to lay my $$$ on the Colts!  And if I lose, I lose knowing it was the way "I Bet The Game" not going with this one or that one, ya know?! 
     
    So that being said, I wish you all the Best of Luck this Weekend  
     
      
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