New England at Indianapolis (11/04/2007)

did you see the game or just see the box score... cuz i saw it...

with :50 seconds to go,  4th and goal and the Browns with no timeouts, they attempted a pass into the endzone, instead of running the ball to milk the clock... they could have run off another 35 seconds and left the browns with less than 15 seconds and no timeouts inside their own 4... instead they risk stopping the clock and giving it to them with at least a miracles chance of somehow winning... and if you say, that's not enough time to win... then what is the reasoning for throwing it and killing the clock?

we all know how running out the clock works... so does Bill... he is going out of his way NOT to... that is the point...

the score was on a fumble return, but the effort was on the drive before that... i was watching it in a sportsbook with a bunch of people who had money on the Browns, and they were all hoping for a miracle run into the endzone, but were shocked to see Bellicheck passing... it was like a bettors dream... some people even speculated that he must have money on the game...

and before you start the usual infantile argument that i am pissed because i lost money on the Browns... i didn't... i bet the line up to 17.5 on that game, so i was in the clear either way...

seriously... make a fuck!ng argument... rather than trying to paint a picture... use facts!  who are you trying to convince?

Patriots, not Browns...

Just throw some money on the Colts so I can laugh at you after the game, only thing you need to know if you are ttempting to handicap this game is this:

You thought the Pats had something to prove in previous games, well this is the defining moment of their season and will be until the playoffs start.  The colts have gotten the best of the pats in the last three previous meetings and the last one was the worst, blowing a huge lead at halftime to end their season.  People say they havent played anyone so they really havent proved anything, even though they beat up on the what was then the undefeated Cowboys, at their house no less.  I think that is a little motivation, and if you give this team, what I believe to be the greatest team ever, any motivation they will flourish.  Thats all I have to say, do with it what you will

WOW,  hey GoG, you need to send me a picture of your shoe, cause I ain't never seen someone put their foot so far up someones ass.  Way to go!!!!     Great posts, keep up the great work!!!!

 

Dude you are so full of yourself. I watched the game. No way yopu can tell me you remembered the gmae down for down like you just stated. You are clearly looking at a box score and throwing out your idiot attempt at furthing your miserable life by trying to bring down others. Get a life and stop being a hater.

You have not been saying anything positive about anyone in the last few days. Ask your friends what they think about the game. Wait you probably don't have many as most people don't like miserable pricks.

who stated Washington was an easy cover?  i didn't... i sure as hell didn't have any money on it... maybe that post was directed elsewhere...

but i do remember that game clear as day... pass to the left side in the corner of the endzone to Kyle Brady broken up by the defender... i looked at the box score to make sure i got the details right, because i was pretty sure you guys were looking at it (since you knew it was Gay who got the fumble return) and figured you would try to poke at any error i might make... like i said, i was watching it at the Hilton sportsbook, and there was a frenzy of people with bets on both sides, so was very entertaining to watch it all unfold... and was impossible not to be shocked by how it played out...

but none of this is about hating, as opposed to what i see from some here... it's the exact opposite... i'm trying to stop this BS of pulling out half a bag of stats that support your side just for the sake of supporting it...

like calling attention to how great all the teams the AFC East teams have lost to in order to show how strong of a division it is... totally disregarding the fact that they haven't beaten anyone...

half lies are still lies... speak the truth, fool!

i still haven't bet on the Colts, and am trying to resist and just enjoy the game... but the more i see the discrepancy between the people betting on the Pats and the ones betting on the Colts, the more i am tempted... Pats backers are the shit talkers who keep trying to twist the stats... and the Colts backers are the handicappers who see the value of the homedog, and aren't deluding themselves in their analysis of the game...

hard to believe the people who are right are the ones who sound like idiots...

of course, there are a couple exceptions on either side, who shall remain nameless... but by and large, that is the division...

Yes, Pats are my team, as I point out repeatedly.  Yes, I have watched every down they have played this year.  And many of the Colts games.  And if you want to nitpick my post, that's fine, but in fairness you should take all that I write in context.  In fact I did point out repeatedly -- like 6 or 7 times! -- the evidence of running it up.

As I said, I wish I had easy access to all the plays run so we could better determine what happened.  I don't, at least not easily...  perhaps you do, as you've accessed the scores with however many seconds left.   I agree the 4th qtr points is an incomplete stat, but show me a stat that tells the entire story of a game.  As you know, many times even the final score can be deceiving.

People ARE incorporating the running-up angle in their capping -- simply read the above posts for evidence.  As I said, it could lead to mistakes.  As in assuming the score in Pats games will always run over, and assuming there is no way the Pats won't cover 6. 

I did not deny they ran it up -- I said it was overblown.  And it is, even by people who claim they don't care, like you.  I denied nothing -- just trying to offer a little perspective. 

I notice that about 90% of your posts lately are simply bashing other posters, or complaining about how all the posts suck.  As I said earlier -- give us some valid info!  Handicap it yourself, and don't give us more bashing and complaining.  It does no one any good.

Adsitar, where do you find these percentages, 91% to 9% on the Colts?

The sad thing is that most of you just think New England will score all over the colts. And you're right. But you forget that the Colts will score all over the Pats. Very high scoring affair definitely take the over, as for picking a winner I'm laying off this one.

Thanks for that Indepth Analysis!  

Well I can't speak for everyone, but I'm Sold

 

 

 

  Amen Brother....Amen!!! 

Hey all, now I've read tons of things from different people, and I make my living on betting sports as a secondary income, but I wanted to post a few things and get what people thought about the pats here.

Straight up, letting you know I'm betting the farm on Pats, I already have 2k on the game and am trying to scrape together more cash for putting more, if I had 40k I'd put it on pats no hesitation till someone proves to me otherwise. Just so you know, I am betting them, I'm not a fan one way or another, personally I like colts more than pats as far as from a fan perspective, and I love dunge, but I think this is what it all comes down to that no one has made reference to.....

Play calling. Has anyone noticed that Dunge does not run Manning loose? I mean, Colts have played come from behind in several games already this season (even when Adai ran loose against Denver they started behind at home 10-0 before they killed them, I know because I had colts first half and game in that one and was pissed at myself for missing something).

My prediction is, 2 touchdown win margine for Pats but I want to hear why someone feels otherwise. It's clear as day that Pats are doing this season with purpose, probably over the fines at the first game, and if that's the case, why would you stop proving your point in the biggest game of the season? To me, if you're proving a point, this is THE game to prove the point. You would establish your flicking off the NFL big time if the most hyped game between now and the super bowl you shut down and a team to 7 or 14 points like you have almost all other teams.

@Dallas 48-27 win, but remember, they WERE behind at one point in the game, first time all season they were.

WAS at home, 52-7 win. This game makes me laugh because my coworker predicted WAS not only upsetting the spread, but the lowest scoring game for PATS on this because they have, I quote, "never seen the secondary like Washington has, they will shut Brady down and probably only lose by 3". So the record shows, I bet 3k+ on Pats that week and laughed most of the game.

If anyone watches the Pats games, look at how they shut down Romo in the 4th quarter and how they manage to outscore everybody because the coach makes play calls to let them keep scoring. So say Manning is off to a 21-0 lead by halftime, is there any doubt that 1 minute to go Brady will not go for the inzone? Another point, how much MORE defense can you put on Pats then Miami did? Did they suck, yeah, but they DOUBLE-TEAMED Moss EVERY SINGLE TD he had, the highlights on ESPN were many that week and I'm sure you'll see double coverage this week. But how much MORE can a team do then 4 hands in the air dead on a guy? And last point, then I'll shut up, someone posted Colts will ball control... that's not their style, sure they have Adai this week, but Manning's a passer and wins games by outscoring opponents, do you really see a 3-run play ever by Manning? No Marvin means very few out-of-bounds snags by him with 2 toes in.

Can't predict a score, but I stick by 14 point win margine and that's being generous to my liking of the colts, and I still think playcalling means that up by 7, Brady will still be in the game and attempt to score to cushion their lead.... remember the Miami game, quote from Pats coach "We were only up by 14, you can lose a 14 point game, I didn't like that cushion" as to why Brady was put back in the game.