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    Rush51
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    Posted: Nov. 17, 2013 - 7:44 PM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    Hmmmm....this Tea Party you speak of, do you mean they want to cut spending and really don't care about social issues? Do you have a good example of a candidate that takes this position? I tried googling but the names that came up were some Senator from Minnesota who wants to have abortion doctors tried for murder, some Senator from KY who wants a fetus declared a person upon conception, some candidate from Missouri who thinks that rape victims can control pregnancy, and some other Senatorial candidate who said that if happy marriage is approved, they next step is bestiality.

    Interestingly, when I kept googling, I found a few candidates who don't seem to care too much about g-a-y marriage or if women have abortions. One is a governor from NJ who has cut taxes, reduced spending, fought with government unions, and increased business in his state. The other is this Senator from Arizona who voted with his party 95% of the time but doesn't seem to care about abortion or g-a-y marriage. Same with this Senator from Maine and a different Senator from KY.

    These people are referred to as something called a RINO? I'm confused. Is it because they like the zoo?

     

    Lol.. Picking on you DJ is like shooting fish in a barrel.

     Even Wikipedia understands Tea Party is about spending issues, not social issues ;

    Required reading for you below ;

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement

     

     

    ""The Tea Party has generally sought to avoid placing too much emphasis on traditional conservative social issues. National Tea Party organizations, such as the Tea Party Patriots and FreedomWorks, have expressed concern that engaging in social issues would be divisive.[21] Instead, they have sought to have activists focus their efforts away from social issues and focus on economic and limited government issues.[22][23 ""

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    Hmmmm....this Tea Party you speak of, do you mean they want to cut spending and really don't care about social issues? Do you have a good example of a candidate that takes this position? I tried googling but the names that came up were some Senator from Minnesota who wants to have abortion doctors tried for murder, some Senator from KY who wants a fetus declared a person upon conception, some candidate from Missouri who thinks that rape victims can control pregnancy, and some other Senatorial candidate who said that if happy marriage is approved, they next step is bestiality.

    Interestingly, when I kept googling, I found a few candidates who don't seem to care too much about g-a-y marriage or if women have abortions. One is a governor from NJ who has cut taxes, reduced spending, fought with government unions, and increased business in his state. The other is this Senator from Arizona who voted with his party 95% of the time but doesn't seem to care about abortion or g-a-y marriage. Same with this Senator from Maine and a different Senator from KY.

    These people are referred to as something called a RINO? I'm confused. Is it because they like the zoo?

     

    Lol.. Picking on you DJ is like shooting fish in a barrel.

     Even Wikipedia understands Tea Party is about spending issues, not social issues ;

    Required reading for you below ;

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement

     

     

    ""The Tea Party has generally sought to avoid placing too much emphasis on traditional conservative social issues. National Tea Party organizations, such as the Tea Party Patriots and FreedomWorks, have expressed concern that engaging in social issues would be divisive.[21] Instead, they have sought to have activists focus their efforts away from social issues and focus on economic and limited government issues.[22][23 ""

     

     
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    Posted: Nov. 17, 2013 - 7:49 PM ET #27

    TEA = TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY ..

    Less government ...Less taxes..

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    TEA = TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY ..

    Less government ...Less taxes..

     
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    Posted: Nov. 17, 2013 - 8:01 PM ET #28

    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:

     

    Lol.. Picking on you DJ is like shooting fish in a barrel.

     Even Wikipedia understands Tea Party is about spending issues, not social issues ;

    Required reading for you below ;

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement

     

     

    ""The Tea Party has generally sought to avoid placing too much emphasis on traditional conservative social issues. National Tea Party organizations, such as the Tea Party Patriots and FreedomWorks, have expressed concern that engaging in social issues would be divisive.[21] Instead, they have sought to have activists focus their efforts away from social issues and focus on economic and limited government issues.[22][23 ""

     

    That was great reading.  Thank you for that.

    Now I am sure when I asked you for the names of actual candidates that exemplify that specific belief of not caring about social issues and focusing on economic ones, your failure to answer was just an oversight.

    Certainly Bachmann, Rand Paul, and the others I named previously aren't real representatives of this mystical "tea party" so I await the names of those who are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:

     

    Lol.. Picking on you DJ is like shooting fish in a barrel.

     Even Wikipedia understands Tea Party is about spending issues, not social issues ;

    Required reading for you below ;

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement

     

     

    ""The Tea Party has generally sought to avoid placing too much emphasis on traditional conservative social issues. National Tea Party organizations, such as the Tea Party Patriots and FreedomWorks, have expressed concern that engaging in social issues would be divisive.[21] Instead, they have sought to have activists focus their efforts away from social issues and focus on economic and limited government issues.[22][23 ""

     

    That was great reading.  Thank you for that.

    Now I am sure when I asked you for the names of actual candidates that exemplify that specific belief of not caring about social issues and focusing on economic ones, your failure to answer was just an oversight.

    Certainly Bachmann, Rand Paul, and the others I named previously aren't real representatives of this mystical "tea party" so I await the names of those who are.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 18, 2013 - 11:19 AM ET #29

    The problem was the same that Occupy wall street had.

    Both had some great ideas, and had the spark of a real movement, but it was allowed to be defined from outside of the organization by people who hated it. 

    MSNBC did a great job of defining the Tea Party, as religious zealots, who hate women, and minorities.

    Just as FOX news did a great job of defining Occupy members as degenerate Marxist druggies, that rape and steal from each other.

    At the end of the day the overall perspectives were formed through stereotypes and biases that were perceived from the beginning. 

    Notice how both the right and left controlled media will scramble hard and fast to squash anything that challenges the overall prevailing paradigms? 

     

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    The problem was the same that Occupy wall street had.

    Both had some great ideas, and had the spark of a real movement, but it was allowed to be defined from outside of the organization by people who hated it. 

    MSNBC did a great job of defining the Tea Party, as religious zealots, who hate women, and minorities.

    Just as FOX news did a great job of defining Occupy members as degenerate Marxist druggies, that rape and steal from each other.

    At the end of the day the overall perspectives were formed through stereotypes and biases that were perceived from the beginning. 

    Notice how both the right and left controlled media will scramble hard and fast to squash anything that challenges the overall prevailing paradigms? 

     

     
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    Posted: Nov. 18, 2013 - 11:53 AM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:

    The problem was the same that Occupy wall street had.

    Both had some great ideas, and had the spark of a real movement, but it was allowed to be defined from outside of the organization by people who hated it. 

    MSNBC did a great job of defining the Tea Party, as religious zealots, who hate women, and minorities.

    Just as FOX news did a great job of defining Occupy members as degenerate Marxist druggies, that rape and steal from each other.

    At the end of the day the overall perspectives were formed through stereotypes and biases that were perceived from the beginning. 

    Notice how both the right and left controlled media will scramble hard and fast to squash anything that challenges the overall prevailing paradigms? 

     

    So this mystical tea party really wants what the poster said in post #26 and its MSNBC and the like that are distorting the positions of its candidates?

    That's great news and gives me encouragement for finding a candidate to support.

    Do you think you can help me out and give me some of the names of these candidates so I can start donating to their causes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:

    The problem was the same that Occupy wall street had.

    Both had some great ideas, and had the spark of a real movement, but it was allowed to be defined from outside of the organization by people who hated it. 

    MSNBC did a great job of defining the Tea Party, as religious zealots, who hate women, and minorities.

    Just as FOX news did a great job of defining Occupy members as degenerate Marxist druggies, that rape and steal from each other.

    At the end of the day the overall perspectives were formed through stereotypes and biases that were perceived from the beginning. 

    Notice how both the right and left controlled media will scramble hard and fast to squash anything that challenges the overall prevailing paradigms? 

     

    So this mystical tea party really wants what the poster said in post #26 and its MSNBC and the like that are distorting the positions of its candidates?

    That's great news and gives me encouragement for finding a candidate to support.

    Do you think you can help me out and give me some of the names of these candidates so I can start donating to their causes?

     
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    Posted: Nov. 18, 2013 - 1:01 PM ET #31

    The point is that it does not exist.

    The point is that any time a popular movement arises, it is coopted, ridiculed, and distorted. 

    I remember when the Tea Party was a legit group of pretty intelligent individuals talking about the role of government ant taxation.  When campaign for liberty was having tea parties during the Bush administration, it was great. 

    Then people like Palin came along, opportunists saw the popularity of the TP, and coopted it. 

    Now it is about Abortion and happy marriage.

    how did that happen?

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    The point is that it does not exist.

    The point is that any time a popular movement arises, it is coopted, ridiculed, and distorted. 

    I remember when the Tea Party was a legit group of pretty intelligent individuals talking about the role of government ant taxation.  When campaign for liberty was having tea parties during the Bush administration, it was great. 

    Then people like Palin came along, opportunists saw the popularity of the TP, and coopted it. 

    Now it is about Abortion and happy marriage.

    how did that happen?

     
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    Posted: Nov. 18, 2013 - 5:27 PM ET #32

    Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:

    The point is that it does not exist.

    The point is that any time a popular movement arises, it is coopted, ridiculed, and distorted. 

    I remember when the Tea Party was a legit group of pretty intelligent individuals talking about the role of government ant taxation.  When campaign for liberty was having tea parties during the Bush administration, it was great. 

    Then people like Palin came along, opportunists saw the popularity of the TP, and coopted it. 

    Now it is about Abortion and happy marriage.

    how did that happen?

    How did that happen?  Seriously?

    As I said yesterday, there are several Republicans who have espoused conservative financial philosophies and voted with their party on those issues, but have been ambivalent on social ones.

    They are usually called RINOS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:

    The point is that it does not exist.

    The point is that any time a popular movement arises, it is coopted, ridiculed, and distorted. 

    I remember when the Tea Party was a legit group of pretty intelligent individuals talking about the role of government ant taxation.  When campaign for liberty was having tea parties during the Bush administration, it was great. 

    Then people like Palin came along, opportunists saw the popularity of the TP, and coopted it. 

    Now it is about Abortion and happy marriage.

    how did that happen?

    How did that happen?  Seriously?

    As I said yesterday, there are several Republicans who have espoused conservative financial philosophies and voted with their party on those issues, but have been ambivalent on social ones.

    They are usually called RINOS.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2013 - 3:28 AM ET #33

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



       Don, sindy is not an American..

    I am American you dumbass....

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       Don, sindy is not an American..

    I am American you dumbass....

     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2013 - 3:30 AM ET #34

    Just skimmed through all the spelling errors during my long rant earlier...Damn.

    Surprised the grammar police didn't correct me left and right.

    Anyways, Somebody mentioned ''take it easy, the system works''  I guess it's working for now, maybe at times barely, but it remains to be seen how long it continues to work if we keep trying to play world police.

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    Just skimmed through all the spelling errors during my long rant earlier...Damn.

    Surprised the grammar police didn't correct me left and right.

    Anyways, Somebody mentioned ''take it easy, the system works''  I guess it's working for now, maybe at times barely, but it remains to be seen how long it continues to work if we keep trying to play world police.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2013 - 9:35 PM ET #35

    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    That was great reading.  Thank you for that.

    Now I am sure when I asked you for the names of actual candidates that exemplify that specific belief of not caring about social issues and focusing on economic ones, your failure to answer was just an oversight.

    Certainly Bachmann, Rand Paul, and the others I named previously aren't real representatives of this mystical "tea party" so I await the names of those who are.

    No specific candidates are needed to prove the point.   Go do your own research and look at who was elected in the House and the Senate in 2010 mid-terms.  

    In case you forgot , the Tea Party was a referendum to the mindless spending taking place in Washington beforehand. 

    History is your friend if you care to do the research .. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    That was great reading.  Thank you for that.

    Now I am sure when I asked you for the names of actual candidates that exemplify that specific belief of not caring about social issues and focusing on economic ones, your failure to answer was just an oversight.

    Certainly Bachmann, Rand Paul, and the others I named previously aren't real representatives of this mystical "tea party" so I await the names of those who are.

    No specific candidates are needed to prove the point.   Go do your own research and look at who was elected in the House and the Senate in 2010 mid-terms.  

    In case you forgot , the Tea Party was a referendum to the mindless spending taking place in Washington beforehand. 

    History is your friend if you care to do the research .. 

     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 22, 2013 - 12:43 AM ET #36

    Quote Originally Posted by sindy:

    I am American you dumbass....



    A F-1 student visa does not make you an American ..
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    A F-1 student visa does not make you an American ..
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