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    Posted: Nov. 14, 2013 - 10:22 PM ET #1

    I know this is going to bother people and I'll make it clear..I LOVE AMERICA! 

    Here's the thing, American soldiers haven't fought for freedom or in any noble war/cause since the World Wars yet they keep shoving it down our throats through commericals or salute the soldiers at ball games(as if they are some great heroes, more like terrorists invading lands, fighting for government gains, looking for imaginary wmds) and the masses eat it up, USA! USA!

    Does this remind you of anything?  ROME?  When they raped their citizens of their needs but fed them Colliseum events to distract them?  Has anything changed?

    America sends these young soldiers to die, that's bad enough.  But even after they die, instead of being hailed as heroes, people and the world spit on their corpses or graves because of the dishonorable war they are fighting.  I mean oil? imaginary wmds, political agendas?  Is that really fighting for freedom?  World War soldiers, those were the heroes.  I love how Americans act so proud of their soldiers and treat them with so much respect when they do nothing but invade lands and kill innocents.

    American government is raping it's citizens, can't find them jobs, can't feed them all, can't pay off the budget, the country is essentially a mess yet they can find millions and millions to spend on the phony war on terror or millions to give to Pakistan that shit country that of course does the opposite of using it to fight terrorism, they use it to build more nuclear weapons or to train and send terrorists to India to attack that great democracy.  There's an article an Indian journalist wrote about the numbers USA is spending in aid to Pakistan and proof that Pakistan is using it to build arms and harass India instead.

    Like when is enough enough?  How about instead of mindlessly ,like zombies chanting usa usa, start protesting against the government?

    I don't hate America.  I hate this recent disgusting false sense of pride in America.  On top of that, all I see is brown vs white all over. Mistrust and hate all over.

    All of a sudden all muslims or anybody that looks muslim is an enemy or a possible terrorist.  Really?  If all brown people wanted to hurt you, given how many brown people there are in the states and Canada, you would have quite a nightmare on your hands.  Yet the hate continues.  And of course they hate back and there you have it.  Terrorists wins.  DIVIDE AND CONQUER.  Oldest trick in book. All I see and read especially after 9/11 was the American is strong and united during this...you mean WHITE America is united and brown America is on the other side united against the whites, right?  Cause that's all I see.  Us vs them mentality in America.  Hate crimes are through the roof since 9/11.  And of course the browns retaliate and there you go.

    Was the purpose of 9/11 just to fly planes into a tower and the deaths it caused? NO! The purpose of 9/11 was to put fear into people's hearts...DONE!

    The purpose of 9/11 was to divide and conquer...DONE!

    The purpose of 9/11 was to change security measures forever..DONE!

    The purpose of 9/11 was to coaz American into spending millions and millons on a phony war on terror to further cripple their economy...DONE

    List goes on.  Osama even claimed his goals before 9/11 and he succeeded yet americans mindlessly chant USA USA whenever athey show something related to the army on tv or at a ball game or in public even as if they have any reason to be proud.

    Bring on the hate people but deep down you know at least some of my points are true.  American needs to stop trying to be world police and they need to stop pretending to go after phony wmds etc when they are really going after oil.  Let's see them go after North Korea or Pakistan.  They never will cause they just pick on weak nations and invade them for oil or political agendas.  The Pakistanis might not win the war but they would fock America up bad believe me

    Angry yet?  You should be.  At least other places in the world people riot and protest and topple corrupt governments, what do americans do?  They sit and watch their ball games and chant usa usa while they take it up the arse...nice job.

    Bright future America has....riiight

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    I know this is going to bother people and I'll make it clear..I LOVE AMERICA! 

    Here's the thing, American soldiers haven't fought for freedom or in any noble war/cause since the World Wars yet they keep shoving it down our throats through commericals or salute the soldiers at ball games(as if they are some great heroes, more like terrorists invading lands, fighting for government gains, looking for imaginary wmds) and the masses eat it up, USA! USA!

    Does this remind you of anything?  ROME?  When they raped their citizens of their needs but fed them Colliseum events to distract them?  Has anything changed?

    America sends these young soldiers to die, that's bad enough.  But even after they die, instead of being hailed as heroes, people and the world spit on their corpses or graves because of the dishonorable war they are fighting.  I mean oil? imaginary wmds, political agendas?  Is that really fighting for freedom?  World War soldiers, those were the heroes.  I love how Americans act so proud of their soldiers and treat them with so much respect when they do nothing but invade lands and kill innocents.

    American government is raping it's citizens, can't find them jobs, can't feed them all, can't pay off the budget, the country is essentially a mess yet they can find millions and millions to spend on the phony war on terror or millions to give to Pakistan that shit country that of course does the opposite of using it to fight terrorism, they use it to build more nuclear weapons or to train and send terrorists to India to attack that great democracy.  There's an article an Indian journalist wrote about the numbers USA is spending in aid to Pakistan and proof that Pakistan is using it to build arms and harass India instead.

    Like when is enough enough?  How about instead of mindlessly ,like zombies chanting usa usa, start protesting against the government?

    I don't hate America.  I hate this recent disgusting false sense of pride in America.  On top of that, all I see is brown vs white all over. Mistrust and hate all over.

    All of a sudden all muslims or anybody that looks muslim is an enemy or a possible terrorist.  Really?  If all brown people wanted to hurt you, given how many brown people there are in the states and Canada, you would have quite a nightmare on your hands.  Yet the hate continues.  And of course they hate back and there you have it.  Terrorists wins.  DIVIDE AND CONQUER.  Oldest trick in book. All I see and read especially after 9/11 was the American is strong and united during this...you mean WHITE America is united and brown America is on the other side united against the whites, right?  Cause that's all I see.  Us vs them mentality in America.  Hate crimes are through the roof since 9/11.  And of course the browns retaliate and there you go.

    Was the purpose of 9/11 just to fly planes into a tower and the deaths it caused? NO! The purpose of 9/11 was to put fear into people's hearts...DONE!

    The purpose of 9/11 was to divide and conquer...DONE!

    The purpose of 9/11 was to change security measures forever..DONE!

    The purpose of 9/11 was to coaz American into spending millions and millons on a phony war on terror to further cripple their economy...DONE

    List goes on.  Osama even claimed his goals before 9/11 and he succeeded yet americans mindlessly chant USA USA whenever athey show something related to the army on tv or at a ball game or in public even as if they have any reason to be proud.

    Bring on the hate people but deep down you know at least some of my points are true.  American needs to stop trying to be world police and they need to stop pretending to go after phony wmds etc when they are really going after oil.  Let's see them go after North Korea or Pakistan.  They never will cause they just pick on weak nations and invade them for oil or political agendas.  The Pakistanis might not win the war but they would fock America up bad believe me

    Angry yet?  You should be.  At least other places in the world people riot and protest and topple corrupt governments, what do americans do?  They sit and watch their ball games and chant usa usa while they take it up the arse...nice job.

    Bright future America has....riiight

     
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    Posted: Nov. 14, 2013 - 11:14 PM ET #2

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akm3nYN8aG8&feature=player_embedded

    Thanx for this thomas !

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akm3nYN8aG8&feature=player_embedded

    Thanx for this thomas !

     
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    Posted: Nov. 15, 2013 - 12:21 AM ET #3

    Quote Originally Posted by sindy:

    Bright future America has....riiight

    Brighter than those who live along the Rhone River...Riiight ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sindy:

    Bright future America has....riiight

    Brighter than those who live along the Rhone River...Riiight ?

     
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    Posted: Nov. 15, 2013 - 1:03 AM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Brighter than those who live along the Rhone River...Riiight ?

     

    Lol..I guess.

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    Brighter than those who live along the Rhone River...Riiight ?

     

    Lol..I guess.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 15, 2013 - 2:16 PM ET #5

    Agree with a lot of what is said here.  In defense of the military: Men and women who serve do not choose their conflict.  I think that serving in the military is very honorable, but understand your perspective.  You say that WWI and WWII were fought for "freedom" and high ideals,  not the case.  All wars are fought by the poor to feed the rich. Sure we had an almost cartoonishly evil adversary, but that was the case with Saddam.  What makes it different is decades and decades of the USA! USA! chants painting the picture (especially of WWII) to take our eyes off of things like the firebombing of Dresden, or the Japanese Internment camps, domestic confiscations, conscription etc. It is ironic to say that we were fighting for freedom (while setting up domestic concentration camps for American citizens).  

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    Agree with a lot of what is said here.  In defense of the military: Men and women who serve do not choose their conflict.  I think that serving in the military is very honorable, but understand your perspective.  You say that WWI and WWII were fought for "freedom" and high ideals,  not the case.  All wars are fought by the poor to feed the rich. Sure we had an almost cartoonishly evil adversary, but that was the case with Saddam.  What makes it different is decades and decades of the USA! USA! chants painting the picture (especially of WWII) to take our eyes off of things like the firebombing of Dresden, or the Japanese Internment camps, domestic confiscations, conscription etc. It is ironic to say that we were fighting for freedom (while setting up domestic concentration camps for American citizens).  

     
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    Posted: Nov. 15, 2013 - 2:19 PM ET #6

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl2JQfxnnHU

     

    Joe Rogan says it best.

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl2JQfxnnHU

     

    Joe Rogan says it best.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 15, 2013 - 2:22 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by sindy:

    I know this is going to bother people and I'll make it clear..I LOVE AMERICA! 

    Here's the thing, American soldiers haven't fought for freedom or in any noble war/cause since the World Wars yet they keep shoving it down our throats through commericals or salute the soldiers at ball games(as if they are some great heroes, more like terrorists invading lands, fighting for government gains, looking for imaginary wmds) and the masses eat it up, USA! USA!

    Does this remind you of anything?  ROME?  When they raped their citizens of their needs but fed them Colliseum events to distract them?  Has anything changed?

    America sends these young soldiers to die, that's bad enough.  But even after they die, instead of being hailed as heroes, people and the world spit on their corpses or graves because of the dishonorable war they are fighting.  I mean oil? imaginary wmds, political agendas?  Is that really fighting for freedom?  World War soldiers, those were the heroes.  I love how Americans act so proud of their soldiers and treat them with so much respect when they do nothing but invade lands and kill innocents.

    American government is raping it's citizens, can't find them jobs, can't feed them all, can't pay off the budget, the country is essentially a mess yet they can find millions and millions to spend on the phony war on terror or millions to give to Pakistan that garbage country that of course does the opposite of using it to fight terrorism, they use it to build more nuclear weapons or to train and send terrorists to India to attack that great democracy.  There's an article an Indian journalist wrote about the numbers USA is spending in aid to Pakistan and proof that Pakistan is using it to build arms and harass India instead.

    Like when is enough enough?  How about instead of mindlessly ,like zombies chanting usa usa, start protesting against the government?

    I don't hate America.  I hate this recent disgusting false sense of pride in America.  On top of that, all I see is brown vs white all over. Mistrust and hate all over.

    All of a sudden all muslims or anybody that looks muslim is an enemy or a possible terrorist.  Really?  If all brown people wanted to hurt you, given how many brown people there are in the states and Canada, you would have quite a nightmare on your hands.  Yet the hate continues.  And of course they hate back and there you have it.  Terrorists wins.  DIVIDE AND CONQUER.  Oldest trick in book. All I see and read especially after 9/11 was the American is strong and united during this...you mean WHITE America is united and brown America is on the other side united against the whites, right?  Cause that's all I see.  Us vs them mentality in America.  Hate crimes are through the roof since 9/11.  And of course the browns retaliate and there you go.

    Was the purpose of 9/11 just to fly planes into a tower and the deaths it caused? NO! The purpose of 9/11 was to put fear into people's hearts...DONE!

    The purpose of 9/11 was to divide and conquer...DONE!

    The purpose of 9/11 was to change security measures forever..DONE!

    The purpose of 9/11 was to coaz American into spending millions and millons on a phony war on terror to further cripple their economy...DONE

    List goes on.  Osama even claimed his goals before 9/11 and he succeeded yet americans mindlessly chant USA USA whenever athey show something related to the army on tv or at a ball game or in public even as if they have any reason to be proud.

    Bring on the hate people but deep down you know at least some of my points are true.  American needs to stop trying to be world police and they need to stop pretending to go after phony wmds etc when they are really going after oil.  Let's see them go after North Korea or Pakistan.  They never will cause they just pick on weak nations and invade them for oil or political agendas.  The Pakistanis might not win the war but they would fock America up bad believe me

    Angry yet?  You should be.  At least other places in the world people riot and protest and topple corrupt governments, what do americans do?  They sit and watch their ball games and chant usa usa while they take it up the arse...nice job.

    Bright future America has....riiight

    Sindy, great read. Someone's been reading and paying attention. The republican party is responsible for EVERYTHING you talk about! You probably know this already.

    Americans vote for Socialist/Communism and Theo/Fascist/Imperialism. It's been this way since 1967. Nothing is going to change because both sides actually believe they are right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sindy:

    I know this is going to bother people and I'll make it clear..I LOVE AMERICA! 

    Here's the thing, American soldiers haven't fought for freedom or in any noble war/cause since the World Wars yet they keep shoving it down our throats through commericals or salute the soldiers at ball games(as if they are some great heroes, more like terrorists invading lands, fighting for government gains, looking for imaginary wmds) and the masses eat it up, USA! USA!

    Does this remind you of anything?  ROME?  When they raped their citizens of their needs but fed them Colliseum events to distract them?  Has anything changed?

    America sends these young soldiers to die, that's bad enough.  But even after they die, instead of being hailed as heroes, people and the world spit on their corpses or graves because of the dishonorable war they are fighting.  I mean oil? imaginary wmds, political agendas?  Is that really fighting for freedom?  World War soldiers, those were the heroes.  I love how Americans act so proud of their soldiers and treat them with so much respect when they do nothing but invade lands and kill innocents.

    American government is raping it's citizens, can't find them jobs, can't feed them all, can't pay off the budget, the country is essentially a mess yet they can find millions and millions to spend on the phony war on terror or millions to give to Pakistan that garbage country that of course does the opposite of using it to fight terrorism, they use it to build more nuclear weapons or to train and send terrorists to India to attack that great democracy.  There's an article an Indian journalist wrote about the numbers USA is spending in aid to Pakistan and proof that Pakistan is using it to build arms and harass India instead.

    Like when is enough enough?  How about instead of mindlessly ,like zombies chanting usa usa, start protesting against the government?

    I don't hate America.  I hate this recent disgusting false sense of pride in America.  On top of that, all I see is brown vs white all over. Mistrust and hate all over.

    All of a sudden all muslims or anybody that looks muslim is an enemy or a possible terrorist.  Really?  If all brown people wanted to hurt you, given how many brown people there are in the states and Canada, you would have quite a nightmare on your hands.  Yet the hate continues.  And of course they hate back and there you have it.  Terrorists wins.  DIVIDE AND CONQUER.  Oldest trick in book. All I see and read especially after 9/11 was the American is strong and united during this...you mean WHITE America is united and brown America is on the other side united against the whites, right?  Cause that's all I see.  Us vs them mentality in America.  Hate crimes are through the roof since 9/11.  And of course the browns retaliate and there you go.

    Was the purpose of 9/11 just to fly planes into a tower and the deaths it caused? NO! The purpose of 9/11 was to put fear into people's hearts...DONE!

    The purpose of 9/11 was to divide and conquer...DONE!

    The purpose of 9/11 was to change security measures forever..DONE!

    The purpose of 9/11 was to coaz American into spending millions and millons on a phony war on terror to further cripple their economy...DONE

    List goes on.  Osama even claimed his goals before 9/11 and he succeeded yet americans mindlessly chant USA USA whenever athey show something related to the army on tv or at a ball game or in public even as if they have any reason to be proud.

    Bring on the hate people but deep down you know at least some of my points are true.  American needs to stop trying to be world police and they need to stop pretending to go after phony wmds etc when they are really going after oil.  Let's see them go after North Korea or Pakistan.  They never will cause they just pick on weak nations and invade them for oil or political agendas.  The Pakistanis might not win the war but they would fock America up bad believe me

    Angry yet?  You should be.  At least other places in the world people riot and protest and topple corrupt governments, what do americans do?  They sit and watch their ball games and chant usa usa while they take it up the arse...nice job.

    Bright future America has....riiight

    Sindy, great read. Someone's been reading and paying attention. The republican party is responsible for EVERYTHING you talk about! You probably know this already.

    Americans vote for Socialist/Communism and Theo/Fascist/Imperialism. It's been this way since 1967. Nothing is going to change because both sides actually believe they are right.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl2JQfxnnHU

     

    Joe Rogan says it best.

    Rick, wow, you surprised me by posting that link. I never would have guessed that you would even consider watching a Joe Rogan video, Rick. You're more open-minded than I thought you were.

    I never get tired of that video. I've showed it to everyone I know. I wish hackers would hack cable TV and show that video for everyone to see. When it gets to Eisenhower and it ends, I get goose bumps. 

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    Joe Rogan says it best.

    Rick, wow, you surprised me by posting that link. I never would have guessed that you would even consider watching a Joe Rogan video, Rick. You're more open-minded than I thought you were.

    I never get tired of that video. I've showed it to everyone I know. I wish hackers would hack cable TV and show that video for everyone to see. When it gets to Eisenhower and it ends, I get goose bumps. 

     
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    I love joe rogan.

    Especially when he has stefan moleneux, grahm Hancock or Dan Carlin on.

    You should check out molenux and carlin's podcasts if you haven't already.
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    I love joe rogan.

    Especially when he has stefan moleneux, grahm Hancock or Dan Carlin on.

    You should check out molenux and carlin's podcasts if you haven't already.
     
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    Sindy... you are the most negative person to visit this site in a long time..Sounds like the world is coming to an end.

    Think positive my friend, and be happy.

    Our system works, in the long run. Presently we have much gridlock in congress, due to right wing extremes. This will stop after the next two elections when the Democrats take over all 3 branches of government.

     Notice the trend....The middle class is rising up to stop the greed, this is evident by the previous election when the voting lines were out the door.

    It's up to each individual to fight for peace and prosperity for all.

    BUY AMERICAN MADE,  AND BE AMERICAN !

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    Sindy... you are the most negative person to visit this site in a long time..Sounds like the world is coming to an end.

    Think positive my friend, and be happy.

    Our system works, in the long run. Presently we have much gridlock in congress, due to right wing extremes. This will stop after the next two elections when the Democrats take over all 3 branches of government.

     Notice the trend....The middle class is rising up to stop the greed, this is evident by the previous election when the voting lines were out the door.

    It's up to each individual to fight for peace and prosperity for all.

    BUY AMERICAN MADE,  AND BE AMERICAN !

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by don juan:

    BUY AMERICAN MADE,  AND BE AMERICAN !



       Don, sindy is not an American..
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    If he is American or a wanna be, same reply. Love America ? Prove it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by don juan:

    Sindy... you are the most negative person to visit this site in a long time..Sounds like the world is coming to an end.

    Think positive my friend, and be happy.

    Our system works, in the long run. Presently we have much gridlock in congress, due to right wing extremes. This will stop after the next two elections when the Democrats take over all 3 branches of government.

     Notice the trend....The middle class is rising up to stop the greed, this is evident by the previous election when the voting lines were out the door.

    It's up to each individual to fight for peace and prosperity for all.

    BUY AMERICAN MADE,  AND BE AMERICAN !



    Don, surely you really wouldn't want all three branches of government dominated by one party. Our founding fathers wanted balance and I agree with their reasoning.

    I'm a conservative muddrfkr and I wouldn't want the GOP to control all three branches of the government for any considerable period of time.

    Its kind of funny to hear you say its the right wing extremists that cause the gridlock. Those 'extremists' simply want to pass less debt on to our children and our children's children. You are riddled with wrinkles so I can understand your selfishness or lack of empathy for the debt of our future Americans.

    Government can't and shouldn't do more for us than provide us with infrastructure, laws, and justice.
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    Sindy... you are the most negative person to visit this site in a long time..Sounds like the world is coming to an end.

    Think positive my friend, and be happy.

    Our system works, in the long run. Presently we have much gridlock in congress, due to right wing extremes. This will stop after the next two elections when the Democrats take over all 3 branches of government.

     Notice the trend....The middle class is rising up to stop the greed, this is evident by the previous election when the voting lines were out the door.

    It's up to each individual to fight for peace and prosperity for all.

    BUY AMERICAN MADE,  AND BE AMERICAN !



    Don, surely you really wouldn't want all three branches of government dominated by one party. Our founding fathers wanted balance and I agree with their reasoning.

    I'm a conservative muddrfkr and I wouldn't want the GOP to control all three branches of the government for any considerable period of time.

    Its kind of funny to hear you say its the right wing extremists that cause the gridlock. Those 'extremists' simply want to pass less debt on to our children and our children's children. You are riddled with wrinkles so I can understand your selfishness or lack of empathy for the debt of our future Americans.

    Government can't and shouldn't do more for us than provide us with infrastructure, laws, and justice.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:



    Don, surely you really wouldn't want all three branches of government dominated by one party. Our founding fathers wanted balance and I agree with their reasoning.

    I'm a conservative muddrfkr and I wouldn't want the GOP to control all three branches of the government for any considerable period of time.

    Its kind of funny to hear you say its the right wing extremists that cause the gridlock. Those 'extremists' simply want to pass less debt on to our children and our children's children. You are riddled with wrinkles so I can understand your selfishness or lack of empathy for the debt of our future Americans.

    Government can't and shouldn't do more for us than provide us with infrastructure, laws, and justice.

     

    Bowlsoup.. Do you mean to tell me that the right wing isn't causing gridlock for 5 straight years ? With a straight face ?

    Obama cannot get anything don't. They have been blocking Obamacare for years, when it was passed by congress, and upheld by the Supreme Court. They are snakes.

    If you cannot see that, then I want to sell you some swamp land. Because you're in the middle class and they are conning you, out the gazoo.

    They are trying to help you and your children. the way SS and Medicare and all the other hundreds of programs for the middle class.

    Smarten up, you're taking the middle class down.

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    Don, surely you really wouldn't want all three branches of government dominated by one party. Our founding fathers wanted balance and I agree with their reasoning.

    I'm a conservative muddrfkr and I wouldn't want the GOP to control all three branches of the government for any considerable period of time.

    Its kind of funny to hear you say its the right wing extremists that cause the gridlock. Those 'extremists' simply want to pass less debt on to our children and our children's children. You are riddled with wrinkles so I can understand your selfishness or lack of empathy for the debt of our future Americans.

    Government can't and shouldn't do more for us than provide us with infrastructure, laws, and justice.

     

    Bowlsoup.. Do you mean to tell me that the right wing isn't causing gridlock for 5 straight years ? With a straight face ?

    Obama cannot get anything don't. They have been blocking Obamacare for years, when it was passed by congress, and upheld by the Supreme Court. They are snakes.

    If you cannot see that, then I want to sell you some swamp land. Because you're in the middle class and they are conning you, out the gazoo.

    They are trying to help you and your children. the way SS and Medicare and all the other hundreds of programs for the middle class.

    Smarten up, you're taking the middle class down.

     
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    Both parties are trying to con all of us.
    The Feds collect plenty of taxes to be solvent but the bloated programs that they say are for the common man are a sham. While they provide some good they are riddled with waste, fraud and overall mismanagement. The Feds cannot manage money and I could cite examples from every program out their from military expenditures to Medicare.
    Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.
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    The Feds collect plenty of taxes to be solvent but the bloated programs that they say are for the common man are a sham. While they provide some good they are riddled with waste, fraud and overall mismanagement. The Feds cannot manage money and I could cite examples from every program out their from military expenditures to Medicare.
    Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.
     
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    Their means there for anyone who wants to go off subject
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    Joe Rogan has a great podcast
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    Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:

    I love joe rogan.

    Especially when he has stefan moleneux, grahm Hancock or Dan Carlin on.

    You should check out molenux and carlin's podcasts if you haven't already.
    I know who those guys are. The only podcast I watch and listen to is the Joe Rogan experience.
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    I love joe rogan.

    Especially when he has stefan moleneux, grahm Hancock or Dan Carlin on.

    You should check out molenux and carlin's podcasts if you haven't already.
    I know who those guys are. The only podcast I watch and listen to is the Joe Rogan experience.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:



    Don, surely you really wouldn't want all three branches of government dominated by one party. Our founding fathers wanted balance and I agree with their reasoning.

    I'm a conservative muddrfkr and I wouldn't want the GOP to control all three branches of the government for any considerable period of time.

    Its kind of funny to hear you say its the right wing extremists that cause the gridlock. Those 'extremists' simply want to pass less debt on to our children and our children's children. You are riddled with wrinkles so I can understand your selfishness or lack of empathy for the debt of our future Americans.

    Government can't and shouldn't do more for us than provide us with infrastructure, laws, and justice.

    Well said, bowlslit !! 

    I'm sure DonJulio could give a rat's A$$ what's left over in the SS kitty for future generations.  He's got his and that's all that matters.   Future generations be damned is his thinking.

     

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    Don, surely you really wouldn't want all three branches of government dominated by one party. Our founding fathers wanted balance and I agree with their reasoning.

    I'm a conservative muddrfkr and I wouldn't want the GOP to control all three branches of the government for any considerable period of time.

    Its kind of funny to hear you say its the right wing extremists that cause the gridlock. Those 'extremists' simply want to pass less debt on to our children and our children's children. You are riddled with wrinkles so I can understand your selfishness or lack of empathy for the debt of our future Americans.

    Government can't and shouldn't do more for us than provide us with infrastructure, laws, and justice.

    Well said, bowlslit !! 

    I'm sure DonJulio could give a rat's A$$ what's left over in the SS kitty for future generations.  He's got his and that's all that matters.   Future generations be damned is his thinking.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:





    Its kind of funny to hear you say its the right wing extremists that cause the gridlock. Those 'extremists' simply want to pass less debt on to our children and our children's children.

    They do? Really?

    Because I would vote for those ones. Who are they?

    Its the right wing extremists who keep espousing who can and can't marry and want to eliminate abortion that I keep hearing.

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    Its kind of funny to hear you say its the right wing extremists that cause the gridlock. Those 'extremists' simply want to pass less debt on to our children and our children's children.

    They do? Really?

    Because I would vote for those ones. Who are they?

    Its the right wing extremists who keep espousing who can and can't marry and want to eliminate abortion that I keep hearing.

     
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    It's called the Teaparty, DJ.   I'm sure you're well aware of who the front-runners are.

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    It's called the Teaparty, DJ.   I'm sure you're well aware of who the front-runners are.

    Hmmmm....this Tea Party you speak of, do you mean they want to cut spending and really don't care about social issues? Do you have a good example of a candidate that takes this position? I tried googling but the names that came up were some Senator from Minnesota who wants to have abortion doctors tried for murder, some Senator from KY who wants a fetus declared a person upon conception, some candidate from Missouri who thinks that rape victims can control pregnancy, and some other Senatorial candidate who said that if happy marriage is approved, they next step is bestiality.

    Interestingly, when I kept googling, I found a few candidates who don't seem to care too much about g-a-y marriage or if women have abortions. One is a governor from NJ who has cut taxes, reduced spending, fought with government unions, and increased business in his state. The other is this Senator from Arizona who voted with his party 95% of the time but doesn't seem to care about abortion or g-a-y marriage. Same with this Senator from Maine and a different Senator from KY.

    These people are referred to as something called a RINO? I'm confused. Is it because they like the zoo?

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    It's called the Teaparty, DJ.   I'm sure you're well aware of who the front-runners are.

    Hmmmm....this Tea Party you speak of, do you mean they want to cut spending and really don't care about social issues? Do you have a good example of a candidate that takes this position? I tried googling but the names that came up were some Senator from Minnesota who wants to have abortion doctors tried for murder, some Senator from KY who wants a fetus declared a person upon conception, some candidate from Missouri who thinks that rape victims can control pregnancy, and some other Senatorial candidate who said that if happy marriage is approved, they next step is bestiality.

    Interestingly, when I kept googling, I found a few candidates who don't seem to care too much about g-a-y marriage or if women have abortions. One is a governor from NJ who has cut taxes, reduced spending, fought with government unions, and increased business in his state. The other is this Senator from Arizona who voted with his party 95% of the time but doesn't seem to care about abortion or g-a-y marriage. Same with this Senator from Maine and a different Senator from KY.

    These people are referred to as something called a RINO? I'm confused. Is it because they like the zoo?

     
     
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    we need to formulate a true 3rd party of  RINOS and DINOS

     

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