I believe the earth has always been in constant change. Cooling, then heating for billions of years. I also believe some shady people have conspired to start a movement to make many very rich on exploiting a "possible" warming. I believe everyone who has provided a study has a horse in the race in the form of grants, funding, etc. I don't believe man has anything to do with the temperature and is an awful predictor of the climate.
Do I believe in limiting pollution and recycling. Absolutely but to tax carbon usage and the government controlling the temperature in my house is unacceptable.
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I believe the earth has always been in constant change. Cooling, then heating for billions of years. I also believe some shady people have conspired to start a movement to make many very rich on exploiting a "possible" warming. I believe everyone who has provided a study has a horse in the race in the form of grants, funding, etc. I don't believe man has anything to do with the temperature and is an awful predictor of the climate.
Do I believe in limiting pollution and recycling. Absolutely but to tax carbon usage and the government controlling the temperature in my house is unacceptable.
I still believe...........................................that it is all about control and wealth distribution on a global basis, after all the poorest Americans are still rich by the standard of much of the world, and obama has made it ardently clear that he is a citizen of the world, he still has a lot of campaigning to do.
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I still believe...........................................that it is all about control and wealth distribution on a global basis, after all the poorest Americans are still rich by the standard of much of the world, and obama has made it ardently clear that he is a citizen of the world, he still has a lot of campaigning to do.
The long-term increase in solar irradiance is heating both Earth and Mars," he said.
Solar Cycles
Abdussamatov believes that changes in the sun's heat output can account for almost all the climate changes we see on both planets.
Mars and Earth, for instance, have experienced periodic ice ages throughout their histories.
"Man-made greenhouse warming has made a small contribution to the warming seen on Earth in recent years, but it cannot compete with the increase in solar irradiance," Abdussamatov said.
By studying fluctuations in the warmth of the sun, Abdussamatov believes he can see a pattern that fits with the ups and downs in climate we see on Earth and Mars.
Abdussamatov's work, however, has not been well received by other climate scientists
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The long-term increase in solar irradiance is heating both Earth and Mars," he said.
Solar Cycles
Abdussamatov believes that changes in the sun's heat output can account for almost all the climate changes we see on both planets.
Mars and Earth, for instance, have experienced periodic ice ages throughout their histories.
"Man-made greenhouse warming has made a small contribution to the warming seen on Earth in recent years, but it cannot compete with the increase in solar irradiance," Abdussamatov said.
By studying fluctuations in the warmth of the sun, Abdussamatov believes he can see a pattern that fits with the ups and downs in climate we see on Earth and Mars.
Abdussamatov's work, however, has not been well received by other climate scientists
WW Wall and cd - Gobal warming is not the evil boogie man the left wants you to think it is.
first off CO2 is not destroying the Ozone layer, CFC's are alleged to be doing that and there is some disagreement on whether they are or not, but the current "concensus" is that it is. CO2 has never been related to Ozone depletion that I have ever read, if so, please provide links to articles as I am sure it would be fascinating reading.
CO2 does absorb and subsequently emit certain wavelengths of infrared radiation. The simplistic theory is that with enough CO2 molecules in the atmosphere, more "heat" will be absorbed and not allowed to be released into space thus heating the planet. If this were a closed laboratory experiment with all other variables remaining constant then the result would be as described above.
HOWEVER, the planets atmosphere is not a closed system and for each action there are complex reactions that either enhance or counteract the original action.
The primary GHG is water vapor. Depending on what you read, 80-95% of the greenhouse effect that makes the earth habitable is from the water vapor in the atmosphere. As the water vapor density increases, so does the amount of clouds. Clouds reflect the suns radiation reducing the amount of infrared that can be absorbed and re-released by CO2 or any other gases. With less source heat, less residual heat is available and the temps cool. basically we have a built in thermostat.
I believe the planet is bigger and more resilient than we give her credit for and nothing man can do will significantly reduce the amount of CO2 or the temp of the planet.
incidentally, during the last recession, CO2 output from the US decreased as we were using less. What if any measurable reduction was there in CO2? I haven't researched, but I suspect it wasn't measurable if there even was one.
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WW Wall and cd - Gobal warming is not the evil boogie man the left wants you to think it is.
first off CO2 is not destroying the Ozone layer, CFC's are alleged to be doing that and there is some disagreement on whether they are or not, but the current "concensus" is that it is. CO2 has never been related to Ozone depletion that I have ever read, if so, please provide links to articles as I am sure it would be fascinating reading.
CO2 does absorb and subsequently emit certain wavelengths of infrared radiation. The simplistic theory is that with enough CO2 molecules in the atmosphere, more "heat" will be absorbed and not allowed to be released into space thus heating the planet. If this were a closed laboratory experiment with all other variables remaining constant then the result would be as described above.
HOWEVER, the planets atmosphere is not a closed system and for each action there are complex reactions that either enhance or counteract the original action.
The primary GHG is water vapor. Depending on what you read, 80-95% of the greenhouse effect that makes the earth habitable is from the water vapor in the atmosphere. As the water vapor density increases, so does the amount of clouds. Clouds reflect the suns radiation reducing the amount of infrared that can be absorbed and re-released by CO2 or any other gases. With less source heat, less residual heat is available and the temps cool. basically we have a built in thermostat.
I believe the planet is bigger and more resilient than we give her credit for and nothing man can do will significantly reduce the amount of CO2 or the temp of the planet.
incidentally, during the last recession, CO2 output from the US decreased as we were using less. What if any measurable reduction was there in CO2? I haven't researched, but I suspect it wasn't measurable if there even was one.
I HATE TO BREAK IT TO THE GLOBAL WARMING BELIEVERS BUT THERE IS ALSO NO SANATA CLAUSE, EASTER BUNNY OR TOOTH FAIRY.
GLOBAL WARMING=BIGGEST SCAM
Oh, I would have to agree with you ..there is no Sanata Clause ...and it looks like there is no Joefan either ....
Well speaking of agreeing it looks like President Obama agree's with me ...... while he was addressing the 8.8 magnitude earthquake in Chile on national T.V. he said the following, quote “We can’t control nature”. ...woo!..woo!
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Quote Originally Posted by JoeFan:
I HATE TO BREAK IT TO THE GLOBAL WARMING BELIEVERS BUT THERE IS ALSO NO SANATA CLAUSE, EASTER BUNNY OR TOOTH FAIRY.
GLOBAL WARMING=BIGGEST SCAM
Oh, I would have to agree with you ..there is no Sanata Clause ...and it looks like there is no Joefan either ....
Well speaking of agreeing it looks like President Obama agree's with me ...... while he was addressing the 8.8 magnitude earthquake in Chile on national T.V. he said the following, quote “We can’t control nature”. ...woo!..woo!
BIGGEST GLOBAL HOAX EVER,DESINGED TO BRING ABOUT A GLOBAL GOVERNANCE to SOLVE a "Global crisis" HUMAN CAUSE FOR TEMP CHANGES IS A JOKE. We submit to this GW, we will be handed a 3rd world country here in the US.
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BIGGEST GLOBAL HOAX EVER,DESINGED TO BRING ABOUT A GLOBAL GOVERNANCE to SOLVE a "Global crisis" HUMAN CAUSE FOR TEMP CHANGES IS A JOKE. We submit to this GW, we will be handed a 3rd world country here in the US.
Evidently the University of Tennessee (Knoxville) still believes it. I do not believe in man-made global warming or all the scare tactics they are using in order to make themselves rich (Gore). I believe the scientific reports that go back to the late 19th century that say the earth has warmed up less than 2% since 1895 or some year about then. I go along with the MIT scientists, not with Dr. Al Gore and his ilk. Of course, I do not have the scientific education of many but I credit myself having common sense enough to not believe all this fake garbage that Gore and others have been putting out. Live and let live, just don't try to make me live YOUR way.
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Evidently the University of Tennessee (Knoxville) still believes it. I do not believe in man-made global warming or all the scare tactics they are using in order to make themselves rich (Gore). I believe the scientific reports that go back to the late 19th century that say the earth has warmed up less than 2% since 1895 or some year about then. I go along with the MIT scientists, not with Dr. Al Gore and his ilk. Of course, I do not have the scientific education of many but I credit myself having common sense enough to not believe all this fake garbage that Gore and others have been putting out. Live and let live, just don't try to make me live YOUR way.
Evidently the University of Tennessee (Knoxville) still believes it. I do not believe in man-made global warming or all the scare tactics they are using in order to make themselves rich (Gore). I believe the scientific reports that go back to the late 19th century that say the earth has warmed up less than 2% since 1895 or some year about then. I go along with the MIT scientists, not with Dr. Al Gore and his ilk. Of course, I do not have the scientific education of many but I credit myself having common sense enough to not believe all this fake garbage that Gore and others have been putting out. Live and let live, just don't try to make me live YOUR way.
i heard an interesting concept, that vapor spewed from airplanes causes our continent to warm at night.
Ban all airplanes
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Quote Originally Posted by Ap1Bfreetorun:
Evidently the University of Tennessee (Knoxville) still believes it. I do not believe in man-made global warming or all the scare tactics they are using in order to make themselves rich (Gore). I believe the scientific reports that go back to the late 19th century that say the earth has warmed up less than 2% since 1895 or some year about then. I go along with the MIT scientists, not with Dr. Al Gore and his ilk. Of course, I do not have the scientific education of many but I credit myself having common sense enough to not believe all this fake garbage that Gore and others have been putting out. Live and let live, just don't try to make me live YOUR way.
i heard an interesting concept, that vapor spewed from airplanes causes our continent to warm at night.
"The Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot,” according to a Commerce Department report published by the Washington Post.
Writes the Post: “Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers. . . all point to a radical change in climate conditions and . . . unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone . . . Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones . . . while at many points well-known glaciers have entirely disappeared.”
More evidence of human-caused global warming?
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The above report of runaway Arctic warming is from a Washington Post story published Nov. 2, 1922 and bears an uncanny resemblance to the tales of global warming splattered across the front pages of today's newspapers. It is one of many historical accounts published during the past 140 years describing climate changes and often predicting catastrophic cooling or warming."
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"The Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot,” according to a Commerce Department report published by the Washington Post.
Writes the Post: “Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers. . . all point to a radical change in climate conditions and . . . unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone . . . Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones . . . while at many points well-known glaciers have entirely disappeared.”
More evidence of human-caused global warming?
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The above report of runaway Arctic warming is from a Washington Post story published Nov. 2, 1922 and bears an uncanny resemblance to the tales of global warming splattered across the front pages of today's newspapers. It is one of many historical accounts published during the past 140 years describing climate changes and often predicting catastrophic cooling or warming."
climate change is nautral...but mans desire to change the environment for his benefit it natural to, there are solutions (scientific not political, fuck u Al gore) and we will apply them till we get it right...
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climate change is nautral...but mans desire to change the environment for his benefit it natural to, there are solutions (scientific not political, fuck u Al gore) and we will apply them till we get it right...
What does Global Warming and National Healthcare reform have in common? A way for the goverment to try and CONTROL you. It is so simple and plain as that. Dems want to control and repubs want freedom to live their life. Simple as that.
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What does Global Warming and National Healthcare reform have in common? A way for the goverment to try and CONTROL you. It is so simple and plain as that. Dems want to control and repubs want freedom to live their life. Simple as that.
What does Global Warming and National Healthcare reform have in common? A way for the goverment to try and CONTROL you. It is so simple and plain as that. Dems want to control and repubs want freedom to live their life. Simple as that.
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Quote Originally Posted by D_Unit:
What does Global Warming and National Healthcare reform have in common? A way for the goverment to try and CONTROL you. It is so simple and plain as that. Dems want to control and repubs want freedom to live their life. Simple as that.
What does Global Warming and National Healthcare reform have in common? A way for the goverment to try and CONTROL you. It is so simple and plain as that. Dems want to control and repubs want freedom to live their life. Simple as that.
I felt bad responding to your post with a laughing emoticon. What I really meant to say was, .
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Quote Originally Posted by D_Unit:
What does Global Warming and National Healthcare reform have in common? A way for the goverment to try and CONTROL you. It is so simple and plain as that. Dems want to control and repubs want freedom to live their life. Simple as that.
I felt bad responding to your post with a laughing emoticon. What I really meant to say was, .
Climate Change has always occured throughout the history of the Earth and will continue in the future. Whether or not humans are now a factor in this change dosen't matter, we will never give up burning shit. It would cost too much stop and most of the world does not have the technology to make changes. We will adapt to the changes better than the Dinos. Everyone in the US could be greener than Gore, opps sorry bad example, and that would not make any difference because the population of the Earth will increase by billions in the next 20 years. Furthermore, why the F do I care about people I've never meet from the future, especially relatives.
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Climate Change has always occured throughout the history of the Earth and will continue in the future. Whether or not humans are now a factor in this change dosen't matter, we will never give up burning shit. It would cost too much stop and most of the world does not have the technology to make changes. We will adapt to the changes better than the Dinos. Everyone in the US could be greener than Gore, opps sorry bad example, and that would not make any difference because the population of the Earth will increase by billions in the next 20 years. Furthermore, why the F do I care about people I've never meet from the future, especially relatives.
Here is link to an article about the effects of atmospheric CO2 concentrations and the heat trapping effects. And the effect of CO2 on the whole of the greenhouse effect, relative to other gases, primarily H2O.
Basically it says that we have achieved the majority of the heat trapping potential of CO2, and even a doubling, tripling or even 4 fold increase of CO2 concentrations, will have a negligible effect on the temp of the earth.
Here is link to an article about the effects of atmospheric CO2 concentrations and the heat trapping effects. And the effect of CO2 on the whole of the greenhouse effect, relative to other gases, primarily H2O.
Basically it says that we have achieved the majority of the heat trapping potential of CO2, and even a doubling, tripling or even 4 fold increase of CO2 concentrations, will have a negligible effect on the temp of the earth.
shs - its a losing argument...convincing a believer that what they believe is not 100% true and that algore is a fraud and this whole thing is a scam is like trying to convince a Wahabi that Jesus was the Messiah
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shs - its a losing argument...convincing a believer that what they believe is not 100% true and that algore is a fraud and this whole thing is a scam is like trying to convince a Wahabi that Jesus was the Messiah
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