way to go wisconsin

Quote Originally Posted by CanadaCup:

The cupboards are bare, no money left in the piggy bank. The teachers get 57.00 for every 1 dollar they put into the pension fund. Public service workers retire in their early 50's with indexed pensions at 70-80% of their last 5 years. These people do not contribute even half of the cost of the pensions. This is not to mention wages which exceed their private sector equals. We can't compete with emerging economies as it is, let alone with the huge taxes needed to fund these unfare benefit packages. What has happened in Wisconsin is required, people should fund their own pensions, make equitable incomes, and retire in their 60's. It will happen in all U.S. states, especially those with these huge packages, and be ready to see defaults. The US governments (Feds), lack public support to bail these states out, and they don't have the borrowing power. Printing money will not be an option, as forgein interests will drop the buck an crash the currency. Both countries will have to compete for investment dollars and this will go where it gets the best return. The best and brightest will leave if they face the burden of funding these greedy union pigs. Get it through you're thick head, public workers don't drive the economy, they support it. Businss drives the economy, so you better hope policies are designed to attract and grow business. If not we will see our economy and lifestyles fall off.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Quote Originally Posted by slikstiks99:

Ya its overpaid teachers that are responsible for where we are today.  This is just a finger-pointing witch hunt that will result in less rights for workers and will make us all into more malleable wage slaves. Cheer for it I guess.

Quote Originally Posted by legwand:

What we need to do is get rid of all teachers and when these kids reach the age of 5 we need to put them to work. The days of the luxury of going to school are over. Get out there and work for a living. So tired of these lazy kids and their school and these teachers with their salaries getting the summers off playing golf, going to Hawaii. They have gotten by the system long enough. Time to put them all to work. So tired of these damn kids acting like they are so busy with their school. Get out and get a job you damn kids. Time to grow up.

Quote Originally Posted by Greyhound:

There is bus drivers in Wisconsin making over $150,000 a year.   

Quote Originally Posted by legwand:

Do you have proof of this? I find that very hard to believe. Have some proof to backup statements like this.

Quote Originally Posted by MWC:

 

I understand people's perceptions with the public workers' unions in Wisconsin.  But they're using that as a facade.  The union has conceded, but they're still saying "no."  It''s about union busting, plain and simple.  

Quote Originally Posted by CanadaCup:

The cupboards are bare, no money left in the piggy bank. The teachers get 57.00 for every 1 dollar they put into the pension fund. Public service workers retire in their early 50's with indexed pensions at 70-80% of their last 5 years. These people do not contribute even half of the cost of the pensions. This is not to mention wages which exceed their private sector equals. We can't compete with emerging economies as it is, let alone with the huge taxes needed to fund these unfare benefit packages. What has happened in Wisconsin is required, people should fund their own pensions, make equitable incomes, and retire in their 60's. It will happen in all U.S. states, especially those with these huge packages, and be ready to see defaults. The US governments (Feds), lack public support to bail these states out, and they don't have the borrowing power. Printing money will not be an option, as forgein interests will drop the buck an crash the currency. Both countries will have to compete for investment dollars and this will go where it gets the best return. The best and brightest will leave if they face the burden of funding these greedy union pigs. Get it through you're thick head, public workers don't drive the economy, they support it. Businss drives the economy, so you better hope policies are designed to attract and grow business. If not we will see our economy and lifestyles fall off.

 

Quote Originally Posted by Greyhound:

ARTICLE about the $159,000 bus driver    

Quote Originally Posted by LeafsNeedD:



Are you referring to Ontario or Wisconsin?

I can't speak in detail for Wisconsin but in Ontario teacher pension plans are 50/50 funded between the employee/employer.  Most benefits are also 50/50 funded if you choose to 'opt-in'.  Teachers in Ontario also, no longer have guaranteed indexing.  70-80% of best 5 years is not factual.  The formula is much more complex than that but generally the maximum is 70%. 

You also require 2 university degrees to be a teacher in Ontario.  I don't know about you but I don't want my kids being taught by people with high school diplomas or community college certificates.  On the other hand, I fully support standardized testing for teachers because there are many who squeak by on Sociology degrees who can't multiply 6 x 9.  If done right it is an excellent return on investment for our province/country. 

Quote Originally Posted by LeafsNeedD:

I do not work in a union and I am not a teacher you fucking moron.  I do work for municipal government in a non-union capacity and my life is made more difficult by unions but I do respect their role. 

How do you propose we create wealth paying teachers say 40k a year with no pension/benefits?  You will never attract qualified teachers especially ones with specialized skills like math, science, computer programming, engineering backgrounds because they will be able to make double that or more in the private sector.  Is that going to create wealth to move our country forward? 

Of course you didn't actually address any of the facts where I proved you're spewing bullshit but that's par for the course for your type. 

Quote Originally Posted by LeafsNeedD:

I do not work in a union and I am not a teacher you fucking moron.  I do work for municipal government in a non-union capacity and my life is made more difficult by unions but I do respect their role. 

How do you propose we create wealth paying teachers say 40k a year with no pension/benefits?  You will never attract qualified teachers especially ones with specialized skills like math, science, computer programming, engineering backgrounds because they will be able to make double that or more in the private sector.  Is that going to create wealth to move our country forward? 

Of course you didn't actually address any of the facts where I proved you're spewing bullshit but that's par for the course for your type. 

Quote Originally Posted by be easy:



so are you saying that 'we' would create wealth if we paid teachers 100k a year with a loaded comp package?

Quote Originally Posted by be easy:

Paying teachers more money and having every last soul in a lifetime of government instruction/education, what ever you would like to call it, is not the solution. We've been doing plenty of that for a long time, and look where we are

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THis in the face of massive unemployment, education (debt) fueled expenses gone parabolic, unaffordable housing,,,,,,,An age demographic tumor that's been rearing it's ugly head since the crash of the dot.com,,,,,We are facing massive headwinds, you want to support an archaic system that creates perpetual misery, keep that up in Canada, you can have it