Ukraine..What's the Next Step?

Baish - "covers resident economist"  

you have so many receipts here showing you know nothing about market dynamics and now here you are showing your complete ignorance in the world of economics and geopolitics.....  you are fast becoming a laughing stock like thirdperson by spouting imaginary bullcockapoopoo and framing it as "factual information".  

Be like midnight.  not thirdperson.  

edwin starr   1970

edwin starr   1970

  seems about right 

@Europa 

@baish2012 

How many guesses do we get?!

Opposing further aid to Ukraine will most certainly prolong that war, in turn keeping inflation high, in turn hurting middle and lower income Americans, which the republicans will then use to pin on the Democrats in 2024.  

Guess what the GOP plan is?

Yes, Neville Chamberlain was prime minister of the United Kingdom from 1937 to 1940. He is best known for his role in the Munich Agreement of 1938 which ceded parts of Czechoslovakia to Hitler and is now the most popular example of the foreign policy known as appeasement.* 

*The Holocaust Encyclopedia

The Chamberlin appeasement never worked or prevented the War in Europe from the Third Reich, United Kindom was later under heavily raided by the Nazi Luftwaffe.  

U.S. could not also avoid the WWII as outlier, Japan attacked Pearl Harbor in December of 1941. 

Putin “Has To Lose This War”-Estonian Prime Minister Kaja Kallas*

Spot on, Baish2012! 

so what you neocons warmongers are REALLY saying is;  "we don't care that the last TWO WARS the US has started were ALL UNDER FALSE PRETENSE".  

 IRAQ - AFGHANISTAN;  you bought those hook, line and sinker only to find out later that the American public was PLAYED and yet, you still believe whatever narrative is shoved in your face.  How's that working out for you the last couple years????   

Can we also get this on RECORD for the forum:

Who thinks there should be a DIPLOMATIC agreement to eventually END this conflict..... Raise your hand (me) 

Who thinks there should be a nuclear resolution to end this conflict..... Raise your hand (not me)  

come on, show your true colors you pansies 

Diplomatic agreement with the caveat that Putin is no longer in power & no land will be given to Russia.

@Midnight1

 I know you will be the only one in here to play this game, respect.... Putin voluntarily giving up his power is a really funny joke.  We all know that's not gonna happen.  Crimea stays as is and the claimed Donbass territories will go to Russia.  They don't get Kiev or anything else....unless Putin gets off'd, thats the best case scenario vs. nukes.  

@kcblitzkrieg

 I've explained how Putin needs to be taken out of power & one comrade will become famous for saving thousands of lives by doing so.

Can't give him ANY land as a message to all the future wannabe bullies.

Nada! Zilch! Rien! Nic! Nothing!

Exactly.    Appeasement is a fool's game.  Intelligent people should know better.   

"If you give a mouse a cookie . . . . . "  - scene from Air Force One starring Harrison Ford

Putin wanted to mobilize 1,000,000 men.

He drafted 300,000 men to die in his failed invasion of Ukraine.

Then an estimated 700,000 men responded by fleeing Russia.

Mission accomplished!

Biden will be out of power before Putin.

NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg has echoed the warning to the Russia appeasement or Putin friendly talking points from some right wing group or media,

“[A Russian win would] be bad for all of us in Europe and North America, in the whole of NATO, because that will send a message to authoritarian leaders — not only Putin but also China — that by the use of brutal military force they can achieve their goals,”--Stoltenberg*

*https://nypost.com/2022/10/28/nato-chief-jens-stoltenberg-warns-stopping-ukraine-aid-would-bolster-china/

The success from Putin's brutal war against Ukraine will embolden Xi's China to invade Taiwan and control South China Sea.   

China will take over Taiwan, inevitable. They are a patient bunch, when they're ready it will happen. And nothing we can do about it. 

What you all seem to forgetting/blocking out is that The Ukraine that claims to be a democracy jailed the opposition party leader and then shut down Russian speaking TV stations all the while supporting a neo-nazi militia killing Russian residents living in Eastern Ukraine. Eastern Ukraine has been warring since 2014, those who favor Russia and those who favor the current corrupt government. And that phrase "current corrupt government" comes from the United Nations in 2021, not me. No doubt Russia was helping and pushing those in Eastern Ukraine before the invasion, our country has done the same thing over and over throughout the years. 

If this bullshit could end with peace all the world would be a better place. But oh no!

A bigger issue is they are still as corrupt as ever and there is a lot of questions about how good the money is really doing.

https://tfiglobalnews.com/2022/05/23/the-most-corrupt-nation-in-europe-is-earning-millions-every-day-due-to-the-ukraine-war/

Added with the billions of dollars being given to Ukraine by other countries in the West, it would not be an overstatement to say that Kyiv is witnessing an unprecedented cash windfall.

Yet, just as is the fate of Western weapons in Ukraine – which get destroyed by Russia upon arrival, so is the luck of Western cash in the country. It evaporates into thin air as soon as it enters Ukraine.

According to the Centre for Research on Globalisation, much of the $53.7 billion that the United States plans to give Ukraine will be stolen in corruption schemes orchestrated by Ukraine’s military, oligarchs, and government officials.

On a side note, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s net worth is about $30 million. He and his inner circle also have their own network of offshore companies. These have in the past been used to buy expensive properties in London. The documents also show that just before he was elected, he gifted his stake in a key offshore company, the British Virgin Islands-registered Maltex Multicapital Corp., to his business partner, who would go on to be appointed as Zelenksy’s top presidential aide.

According to the Panama Papers, despite giving up his shares, an arrangement was soon made that would allow the offshore company to keep paying dividends to a company that now belongs to Zelensky’s wife. Convenient, right?

Corruption is just one problem. There is also a higher risk involved. With so much cash flooding Ukraine, there is a real chance that the money will find its way into the hands of neo-Nazi groups, who could use the funds to become a major security risk for the region.

I'm always against feckless appeasement.

Trump appeased the Taliban in Afghanistan and THAT ultimately led to the deaths of 13 Americans.   Thankfully, Joe Biden took us out of that hellhole which a republican administration plunged us into 20 years ago.

And Trump's *DISGRACEFUL* appeasement of Putin in Helsinki emboldened the russkies to invade Ukraine.

He appeased North Korea too, by giving them the two meetings THEY WANTED but without any resolution as to nuclear weapons.  Now the fascist dictator - who continues to threaten the US - is on the verge of building a nuclear arsenal.

Well stated, Fubah2. Not only Trump, there are quite a few in this forum doing biding and talking point for Russia and China. Today's GOP isn't the Dwight D. Eisenhower or Ronald Regan's Republican party, contemporary GOP has become party of  Trump's Disgraceful appeasement of Putin and Xi. 

Russia will not take over Ukraine, China will not take over Taiwan inevitably. 

NBC NEWS;

"A phone call between the two leaders in June played out differently from previous ones, according to four people familiar with the call. Biden had barely finished telling Zelenskyy he’d just greenlighted another $1 billion in U.S. military assistance for Ukraine when Zelenskyy started listing all the additional help he needed and wasn’t getting. Biden lost his temper, "

 Milk that CA$H COW Zelensky!!!!!

TRUMPS "Get ready Russia, because they will be coming, nice and new and 'smart!' " is the way to handle Russia. 

Not terrorist attacks on bridges, seizing Russian oligarch yachts, car bombs, and blowing up pipelines spewing the atmosphere with methane.

blaming Trump for Biden's botched pullout that left 13 dead, is that the best you got? 

Unfortunate the GOP has descended toward the dark side so quickly.

NPR, June 30th, 2019;

President Trump met North Korean leader Kim Jong Un for the third time on Sunday, becoming the first sitting U.S. president to step foot in North Korea

I never expected to meet you at this place," Kim told Trump through an interpreter as they greeted each other at the demarcation line. Trump walked with Kim a few steps into North Korean territory, where the two shook hands and posed for photos, before both crossed over into South Korea.

Trump said stepping over the demarcation line was "a great honor," while Kim said the event "has a lot of significance because it means that we want to bring an end to the unpleasant past" and called it a "courageous and determined act."

The two met privately in the building on the South Korean side known as Freedom House for about 50 minutes before Trump escorted Kim back to North Korea's territory.

The meeting was a very good one," Trump told reporters afterward, saying with regard to nuclear negotiations, "We're not looking for speed — we're looking to get it right."

He said the U.S. would be employing a designated team selected by Secretary of State Mike Pompeo to start work on new negotiations in the next few weeks, while North Korea would have a team as well.

Kim, through an interpreter, also offered a sunny assessment.

"I think it's a meeting that demonstrates to many people that we can change for the better going forward," he said.

South Korean President Moon Jae-in, standing next to Trump, said the meeting and future negotiations "presented a big hope" to the Korean people.

Trump also invited Kim to visit the United States "when the time is right."

Trump said sanctions, which the North wants lifted and which were a sticking point in the second meeting between Trump and Kim, would remain in place, but Trump said he is "looking forward to taking them off."

Earlier in the day in Seoul, Trump said, "We've developed a very good relationship, and we understand each other. I do believe he understands me, and I think I maybe understand him."

On Sunday, Kim said Trump stepping into North Korea, an act that critics of the president said was nothing more than a photo op, was indicative of something more significant, saying through an interpreter that it was "an expression of President Trump's extraordinary determination to move beyond the bad past and open a new, good future."

JOE BIDEN, OCT 2020; Biden publicly calls Kim Jong Un "A THUG!!."

"North Korea " not responding" to U.S. contact efforts."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-56391445

"KIM UN JONG FIRES MISSLE AS HE IGNORES BIDEN'S CALL FOR TALKS"

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-04/north-korea-appears-to-have-fired-ballistic-missile

AND YA WONDER WHY???