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    Posted: Sep. 11, 2014 - 12:45 AM ET #1

    Bronco Bama ...
     
    What an embarrassment ...
     
    For the first time in my adult life,, I'm ashamed to be an American.. 

     
    "Now let’s make two things clear: ISIL is not “Islamic.” No religion condones the killing of innocents, and the vast majority of ISIL’s victims have been Muslim. And ISIL is certainly not a state."
     
    What!!   Muslims have been killing other Muslims for the last 1600 years.. and he's right ISIL is not a state or it would have been one of the 57 states he visited in the run-up to the 2008 Presidential election..
     
    "These terrorists are unique in their brutality. They execute captured prisoners. They kill children. They enslave, rape, and force women into marriage"...( sounds like a real war on women)..
     
    "Moreover, I have made it clear that we will hunt down terrorists who threaten our country, wherever they are. That means I will not hesitate to take action against ISIL in Syria, as well as Iraq"...( like the action you took against Syria when they didn't respect all of your red lines)..check.
     
    "We will increase our support to forces fighting these terrorists on the ground. We will send an additional 475 service members to Iraq.  ( not 500 only 475 ) As I have said before, these American forces will not have a combat mission "...( can you say mission creep?).................Listen if our forces are on the ground in a combat zone they are combat troops ..
    ..and I'm sure Mr.President you secured a "Status of Forces Agreement "for these 1600 troops on the ground in Iraq...you did ..didn't you ?
     
    "We will not get dragged into another ground war in Iraq. But they are needed to support Iraqi and Kurdish forces with training, intelligence and equipment.".........Wasn't the six years that we spent training the Iraqi army enough ?  Equipment ?   Equipment  ? Wasn't the $580 million worth military equipment we donated to Iraq when we left enough ?. Oh! that's right the trained Iraqi Army threw down their arms and retreated when facing the ISIS rebels...so they will need more equipment..  right.
     
    "We cannot rely on an Assad regime that terrorizes its people; a regime that will never regain the legitimacy it has lost. Instead, we must strengthen the opposition as the best counterweight to extremists like ISIL".. ... Great,,now Obama is we going to help arm the former doctors and pharmacists to fight Assad and ISIS..that should turn out well ..
     
    "My administration has also secured bipartisan support for this approach here at home. I have the authority to address the threat from ISIL.. But I believe we are strongest as a nation when the President and Congress work together."..........   I see Eric Holder told you..you don't need Congressional authorization to go to war ..so if Congress won't go along with your plan you will do it without them ..( this from a so called Constitutional Professor) Oh my !
     
    "Next week marks 6 years since our economy suffered its worst setback since the Great Depression. ...(cut) ...Our technology companies and universities are unmatched; our manufacturing and auto industries are thriving.  Energy independence is closer than it’s been in decades." ..."For all the work that remains, our businesses are in the longest uninterrupted stretch of job creation in our history"   Oh ,,and did I say no troops on the ground ?
     
    Yeah right,,, Happy Times" are here again !    
     
    "May God bless our troops, and may God bless the United States of America."
     
    Oh my god !!!...
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    Bronco Bama ...
     
    What an embarrassment ...
     
    For the first time in my adult life,, I'm ashamed to be an American.. 

     
    "Now let’s make two things clear: ISIL is not “Islamic.” No religion condones the killing of innocents, and the vast majority of ISIL’s victims have been Muslim. And ISIL is certainly not a state."
     
    What!!   Muslims have been killing other Muslims for the last 1600 years.. and he's right ISIL is not a state or it would have been one of the 57 states he visited in the run-up to the 2008 Presidential election..
     
    "These terrorists are unique in their brutality. They execute captured prisoners. They kill children. They enslave, rape, and force women into marriage"...( sounds like a real war on women)..
     
    "Moreover, I have made it clear that we will hunt down terrorists who threaten our country, wherever they are. That means I will not hesitate to take action against ISIL in Syria, as well as Iraq"...( like the action you took against Syria when they didn't respect all of your red lines)..check.
     
    "We will increase our support to forces fighting these terrorists on the ground. We will send an additional 475 service members to Iraq.  ( not 500 only 475 ) As I have said before, these American forces will not have a combat mission "...( can you say mission creep?).................Listen if our forces are on the ground in a combat zone they are combat troops ..
    ..and I'm sure Mr.President you secured a "Status of Forces Agreement "for these 1600 troops on the ground in Iraq...you did ..didn't you ?
     
    "We will not get dragged into another ground war in Iraq. But they are needed to support Iraqi and Kurdish forces with training, intelligence and equipment.".........Wasn't the six years that we spent training the Iraqi army enough ?  Equipment ?   Equipment  ? Wasn't the $580 million worth military equipment we donated to Iraq when we left enough ?. Oh! that's right the trained Iraqi Army threw down their arms and retreated when facing the ISIS rebels...so they will need more equipment..  right.
     
    "We cannot rely on an Assad regime that terrorizes its people; a regime that will never regain the legitimacy it has lost. Instead, we must strengthen the opposition as the best counterweight to extremists like ISIL".. ... Great,,now Obama is we going to help arm the former doctors and pharmacists to fight Assad and ISIS..that should turn out well ..
     
    "My administration has also secured bipartisan support for this approach here at home. I have the authority to address the threat from ISIL.. But I believe we are strongest as a nation when the President and Congress work together."..........   I see Eric Holder told you..you don't need Congressional authorization to go to war ..so if Congress won't go along with your plan you will do it without them ..( this from a so called Constitutional Professor) Oh my !
     
    "Next week marks 6 years since our economy suffered its worst setback since the Great Depression. ...(cut) ...Our technology companies and universities are unmatched; our manufacturing and auto industries are thriving.  Energy independence is closer than it’s been in decades." ..."For all the work that remains, our businesses are in the longest uninterrupted stretch of job creation in our history"   Oh ,,and did I say no troops on the ground ?
     
    Yeah right,,, Happy Times" are here again !    
     
    "May God bless our troops, and may God bless the United States of America."
     
    Oh my god !!!...
     
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    Posted: Sep. 11, 2014 - 1:18 AM ET #2

    House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, one of four congressional leaders who met with Obama, expressed support for some of the president's options, "such as increasing the effectiveness of the Iraqi Security Forces and training and equipping the Syrian opposition,'' said an aide to the speaker.

    Boehner also said "he would support the President if he chose to deploy the military to help train and play an advisory role for the Iraqi Security Forces and assist with lethal targeting" of the Islamic State leadership.

    "I support the president taking military action in Iraq and Syria to combat this organization. I also support his request for additional authority to support the moderate, vetted Syrian opposition. But more must be done." — House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif.

    "After calling on the president to take additional actions against ISIL, I am encouraged by his statement this evening and his willingness to take strong action to defeat ISIL. Tonight, the president has announced the United States' willingness to lead a coalition to destroy ISIL, and I support these efforts." — Sen. Saxby Chambliss of Georgia, the top Republican on the Senate Intelligence Committee.

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    House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, one of four congressional leaders who met with Obama, expressed support for some of the president's options, "such as increasing the effectiveness of the Iraqi Security Forces and training and equipping the Syrian opposition,'' said an aide to the speaker.

    Boehner also said "he would support the President if he chose to deploy the military to help train and play an advisory role for the Iraqi Security Forces and assist with lethal targeting" of the Islamic State leadership.

    "I support the president taking military action in Iraq and Syria to combat this organization. I also support his request for additional authority to support the moderate, vetted Syrian opposition. But more must be done." — House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif.

    "After calling on the president to take additional actions against ISIL, I am encouraged by his statement this evening and his willingness to take strong action to defeat ISIL. Tonight, the president has announced the United States' willingness to lead a coalition to destroy ISIL, and I support these efforts." — Sen. Saxby Chambliss of Georgia, the top Republican on the Senate Intelligence Committee.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 11, 2014 - 1:52 AM ET #3

      Kevin McCarthy and  Saxby Chambliss are part of the RINO-infested GOP..and John Boehner is not just a RINO ,but a total incompetent RINO ....so anything they support is RINO blue..
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      Kevin McCarthy and  Saxby Chambliss are part of the RINO-infested GOP..and John Boehner is not just a RINO ,but a total incompetent RINO ....so anything they support is RINO blue..
     
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    Posted: Sep. 11, 2014 - 2:05 AM ET #4

    "The president is to be commended for his decision to take action against ISIL targets, wherever they are, including Syria." — Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich., chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.

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    "The president is to be commended for his decision to take action against ISIL targets, wherever they are, including Syria." — Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich., chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 11, 2014 - 2:31 AM ET #5

    Mike Rogers is another member of the herd .. he’s calling it quits from Congress and isn’t running for re-election this fall..

    He voted YES on the first vote of the revenue bill ..If he , along with 2 others, had listened to the public outcry and voted NO, it would have forced a vote on the Cut, Cap, and Balance Bill that would have prevented the downgrade of the USA credit rating from AAA to AA+.

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    Mike Rogers is another member of the herd .. he’s calling it quits from Congress and isn’t running for re-election this fall..

    He voted YES on the first vote of the revenue bill ..If he , along with 2 others, had listened to the public outcry and voted NO, it would have forced a vote on the Cut, Cap, and Balance Bill that would have prevented the downgrade of the USA credit rating from AAA to AA+.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 11, 2014 - 11:34 AM ET #6

    The Obama Kiss of Death ..., our businesses are in the longest uninterrupted stretch of job creation in our history"

    Within 12 hours of Obama’s speech, jobless claims had soared far beyond expectations for the week.. the workforce continues to collapse..jobless claims surged to 315k - the highest since June...

     

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    The Obama Kiss of Death ..., our businesses are in the longest uninterrupted stretch of job creation in our history"

    Within 12 hours of Obama’s speech, jobless claims had soared far beyond expectations for the week.. the workforce continues to collapse..jobless claims surged to 315k - the highest since June...

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 11, 2014 - 12:09 PM ET #7

    The American people don't want boots on the ground. You can't defeat ISIS without boots on the ground. Are we going to follow ISIS into Iran? Syrian rebels and Iraqi troops are going to be our boots on the ground?
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    The American people don't want boots on the ground. You can't defeat ISIS without boots on the ground. Are we going to follow ISIS into Iran? Syrian rebels and Iraqi troops are going to be our boots on the ground?
     
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    Posted: Sep. 11, 2014 - 12:11 PM ET #8

    There are only two options to deal with this war...

    1. Order all Americans to leave Muslim lands and end doing business with Muslims completely.

    2. Declare a war on Islam and wipe the religion and its followers off the planet.

    There is no third option.

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    There are only two options to deal with this war...

    1. Order all Americans to leave Muslim lands and end doing business with Muslims completely.

    2. Declare a war on Islam and wipe the religion and its followers off the planet.

    There is no third option.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 11, 2014 - 12:18 PM ET #9

    There will be 1,500 sets of boots on the ground after the additional 475 Obama ordered last night.
    That is 3,000 boots, many many more if you count contractors.  There is a hiring bonanza taking place for contractor jobs right now. 

    The Obama doctrine is so hopelessly Fuked it hardly warrants mention. 
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    There will be 1,500 sets of boots on the ground after the additional 475 Obama ordered last night.
    That is 3,000 boots, many many more if you count contractors.  There is a hiring bonanza taking place for contractor jobs right now. 

    The Obama doctrine is so hopelessly Fuked it hardly warrants mention. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

    There are only two options to deal with this war...

    1. Order all Americans to leave Muslim lands and end doing business with Muslims completely.

    2. Declare a war on Islam and wipe the religion and its followers off the planet.

    There is no third option.

    Your guy says ISIL is not Muslim. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

    There are only two options to deal with this war...

    1. Order all Americans to leave Muslim lands and end doing business with Muslims completely.

    2. Declare a war on Islam and wipe the religion and its followers off the planet.

    There is no third option.

    Your guy says ISIL is not Muslim. 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 11, 2014 - 1:28 PM ET #11

    Your hatred for Obama is ridiculous. Name a powerful republican that you agree with.
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    Your hatred for Obama is ridiculous. Name a powerful republican that you agree with.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 11, 2014 - 1:29 PM ET #12

    That was for Rick.
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    That was for Rick.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 11, 2014 - 2:58 PM ET #13

    As our Commander in Chief stated last night. This is American leadership at it's finest! Say what! How you guys and women on the Left respect this guy is beyond me. We will be a coalition of no more than 3.
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    As our Commander in Chief stated last night. This is American leadership at it's finest! Say what! How you guys and women on the Left respect this guy is beyond me. We will be a coalition of no more than 3.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    Your guy says ISIL is not Muslim. 
    My guy

    There are 5 people that I believe should be president. Obama is not one of them.

    Obama is playing PC politics. He's saying ISIS doesn't represent what Islam is truly about. Even Rand Paul would say the same thing if he was president.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    Your guy says ISIL is not Muslim. 
    My guy

    There are 5 people that I believe should be president. Obama is not one of them.

    Obama is playing PC politics. He's saying ISIS doesn't represent what Islam is truly about. Even Rand Paul would say the same thing if he was president.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

    My guy

    There are 5 people that I believe should be president. Obama is not one of them.

    Obama is playing PC politics. He's saying ISIS doesn't represent what Islam is truly about. Even Rand Paul would say the same thing if he was president.

     I know. I am messing with you. But there are way more than 5 I think that could do okay. 

    I do give Obama to anyone that didn't vote for Romney or stayed home. They get Obama by default. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

    My guy

    There are 5 people that I believe should be president. Obama is not one of them.

    Obama is playing PC politics. He's saying ISIS doesn't represent what Islam is truly about. Even Rand Paul would say the same thing if he was president.

     I know. I am messing with you. But there are way more than 5 I think that could do okay. 

    I do give Obama to anyone that didn't vote for Romney or stayed home. They get Obama by default. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    As our Commander in Chief stated last night. This is American leadership at it's finest! Say what! How you guys and women on the Left respect this guy is beyond me. We will be a coalition of no more than 3.
    3?  France will back out. England not commuted solidly. Who else?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    As our Commander in Chief stated last night. This is American leadership at it's finest! Say what! How you guys and women on the Left respect this guy is beyond me. We will be a coalition of no more than 3.
    3?  France will back out. England not commuted solidly. Who else?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    As our Commander in Chief stated last night. This is American leadership at it's finest! Say what! How you guys and women on the Left respect this guy is beyond me. We will be a coalition of no more than 3.

    Who do you respect? The right wants to go all in against ISIS. They want to give more money and weapons to the Syrian rebels. People that say the right is wrong are dumb. People that say the left is wrong are also dumb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    As our Commander in Chief stated last night. This is American leadership at it's finest! Say what! How you guys and women on the Left respect this guy is beyond me. We will be a coalition of no more than 3.

    Who do you respect? The right wants to go all in against ISIS. They want to give more money and weapons to the Syrian rebels. People that say the right is wrong are dumb. People that say the left is wrong are also dumb.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 11, 2014 - 3:20 PM ET #18

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Who do you respect? The right wants to go all in against ISIS. They want to give more money and weapons to the Syrian rebels. People that say the right is wrong are dumb. People that say the left is wrong are also dumb.


    I agree but not dumb, better terms would be misinformed or slighted or biased or sheep...

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Who do you respect? The right wants to go all in against ISIS. They want to give more money and weapons to the Syrian rebels. People that say the right is wrong are dumb. People that say the left is wrong are also dumb.


    I agree but not dumb, better terms would be misinformed or slighted or biased or sheep...

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Who do you respect? The right wants to go all in against ISIS. They want to give more money and weapons to the Syrian rebels. People that say the right is wrong are dumb. People that say the left is wrong are also dumb.



    The Obama administration likes to refer to them as the "moderate Syrian rebels".... CIA operatives and U.S. special operations troops have been secretly training the "moderate Syrian rebels" with anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons since late last year,,,all CIA funded.

    I know one thing.. if I'm backing an army in a war ..I certainly don't want it made up with a group of moderates..but a group of rough, determined,,, extreme revolutionary fighters..
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Who do you respect? The right wants to go all in against ISIS. They want to give more money and weapons to the Syrian rebels. People that say the right is wrong are dumb. People that say the left is wrong are also dumb.



    The Obama administration likes to refer to them as the "moderate Syrian rebels".... CIA operatives and U.S. special operations troops have been secretly training the "moderate Syrian rebels" with anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons since late last year,,,all CIA funded.

    I know one thing.. if I'm backing an army in a war ..I certainly don't want it made up with a group of moderates..but a group of rough, determined,,, extreme revolutionary fighters..
     
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    When I listen to the "misinformed" arguments I can't help but think how smart the people pulling the strings are. Release two beheading videos and they basically got full support to invade Syria and go back into Iraq. Obviously ISIS will end up trickling into Iran and we'll have to go there as well.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8YtF76s-yM Wes Clark (3 minutes)

    "This is a memo explaining how we're going to take out 7 countries. Starting with Iraq and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and finishing off Iran." - Gen Wesley Clarks anonymous source.

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    When I listen to the "misinformed" arguments I can't help but think how smart the people pulling the strings are. Release two beheading videos and they basically got full support to invade Syria and go back into Iraq. Obviously ISIS will end up trickling into Iran and we'll have to go there as well.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8YtF76s-yM Wes Clark (3 minutes)

    "This is a memo explaining how we're going to take out 7 countries. Starting with Iraq and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and finishing off Iran." - Gen Wesley Clarks anonymous source.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 11, 2014 - 4:12 PM ET #21

    I respect the 4 men who died defending our consulate in Benghazi along iwth the 3 men who were told to 'stand down' before they could help. That is for starters.
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    I respect the 4 men who died defending our consulate in Benghazi along iwth the 3 men who were told to 'stand down' before they could help. That is for starters.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



    The Obama administration likes to refer to them as the "moderate Syrian rebels".... CIA operatives and U.S. special operations troops have been secretly training the "moderate Syrian rebels" with anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons since late last year,,,all CIA funded.

    I know one thing.. if I'm backing an army in a war ..I certainly don't want it made up with a group of moderates..but a group of rough, determined,,, extreme revolutionary fighters..

    So what politician do you respect? They all think it's a good idea to arm the Syrian rebels. McCain was posing for pictures with them. Do you like McCain? What Politian do you support?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



    The Obama administration likes to refer to them as the "moderate Syrian rebels".... CIA operatives and U.S. special operations troops have been secretly training the "moderate Syrian rebels" with anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons since late last year,,,all CIA funded.

    I know one thing.. if I'm backing an army in a war ..I certainly don't want it made up with a group of moderates..but a group of rough, determined,,, extreme revolutionary fighters..

    So what politician do you respect? They all think it's a good idea to arm the Syrian rebels. McCain was posing for pictures with them. Do you like McCain? What Politian do you support?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    So what politician do you respect? They all think it's a good idea to arm the Syrian rebels. McCain was posing for pictures with them. Do you like McCain? What Politian do you support?



    If we are to do something about ISIS,, then it can't be to shrink ISIS' or just contain them with pinprick attacks ...we need to go at them with all we have and destroy them ...in a mission led by the United States and without asking for UN approval...

    McCain is now showing the signs of the effects of the repeated beatings every two hours he received while he was in captivity..anything he suggest should be disregarded..and the politician I respect and support is Ted Cruz..

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    So what politician do you respect? They all think it's a good idea to arm the Syrian rebels. McCain was posing for pictures with them. Do you like McCain? What Politian do you support?



    If we are to do something about ISIS,, then it can't be to shrink ISIS' or just contain them with pinprick attacks ...we need to go at them with all we have and destroy them ...in a mission led by the United States and without asking for UN approval...

    McCain is now showing the signs of the effects of the repeated beatings every two hours he received while he was in captivity..anything he suggest should be disregarded..and the politician I respect and support is Ted Cruz..

     
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    Ted Cruz?  Really???
    ~~~~~ZOSO~~~~~
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    Ted Cruz?  Really???
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    I respect the 4 men who died defending our consulate in Benghazi along iwth the 3 men who were told to 'stand down' before they could help. That is for starters.

    Prior to Benghazi, were there 13 attacks on embassies and 60 deaths under President George W. Bush.

    I don't understand the point you're trying to make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    I respect the 4 men who died defending our consulate in Benghazi along iwth the 3 men who were told to 'stand down' before they could help. That is for starters.

    Prior to Benghazi, were there 13 attacks on embassies and 60 deaths under President George W. Bush.

    I don't understand the point you're trying to make.

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