dsn/second - all due respect, nothing the government does helps to lower the cost of anything. regardless of the intentions of this program, government isnt the answer to bringing costs down in anything
Public option gets defeated
dsn/second - all due respect, nothing the government does helps to lower the cost of anything. regardless of the intentions of this program, government isnt the answer to bringing costs down in anything
dsn/second - all due respect, nothing the government does helps to lower the cost of anything. regardless of the intentions of this program, government isnt the answer to bringing costs down in anything
Why not incrementally shift the currently uninsured into the existing Medicaid program? Granted, there is shared responsibility between federal and state govt for Medicaid, but I don't see that as a fatal flaw.
Why not incrementally shift the currently uninsured into the existing Medicaid program? Granted, there is shared responsibility between federal and state govt for Medicaid, but I don't see that as a fatal flaw.
How many towns in the US would you guess had only one family doctor?
How about none?
How many counties in the US have no OB/GYN's to deliver babies- requiring mothers to travel sometimes significant distances for prenatal care and delivery of their infant.
This may well be a problem in Canada- but is also a problem in the rural US- ![]()
How many towns in the US would you guess had only one family doctor?
How about none?
How many counties in the US have no OB/GYN's to deliver babies- requiring mothers to travel sometimes significant distances for prenatal care and delivery of their infant.
This may well be a problem in Canada- but is also a problem in the rural US- ![]()
hey you're the Baby Boomer that got all beside hisself when i would point out how your generation was the me me me generation and have royally fucked my (the younger) generation with your short term thinking and all the me me meing attitude that many Boomers have displayed. What's any different from you saying that your exceptional insurance is owed you because it was part of your compensation package, and the person who is looking for a break on their phantom income (people employed in many of these tech start-ups, and other industries would take stock options in lieu of salary, well in addition to,,,,,,when the companies stock goes to zero, they are left in the cold. Do you think that we should all chip in and make sure they are garanteed what is 'rightfully' theirs just because some contract said so? I think you've said before that you were a fireman, if that's correct, at least from what i've seen they are some of the best paying jobs in the country,,,,,,sorry, i owe you nothing
me me me generation
First off BE EASY am not a baby boomer and part of the generation that you kkeep saying ruined your life. Am only 47 years old, far from being part of that crowd. I would bet every dime i have thou, that you wouldnt be talking to your parents like this. Why dont you tell your Dad that his generation ruined your life, even thou all that money he made working in his life supported your ass.
After reading all your posts over the last year, i finally realize what kind of person you truly are. Your nothing but a selfish person who hates other people for getting things you dont have. Well heres a thought, its not other peoples fault because you arent able to land a good paying job that provides medical insurance. Sorry that your stuck at mikey d's flipping burger. But am 100 percent sure if you did work at a job that provided health insurance you wouldnt be making the posts you make. Guys like you are all the same, hate others for what you dont have.
Heres a little knowledge for you, employers offer medical insurance other things to employees so that they can get good quality people for their jobs. Also alot of places people trade wages for insurance, so its not some free handout like you keep saying. The people that are going to get free healthcare, those are handouts. I spent 25 years helping people on and off the job, so please dont insult me by saying i didnt earn it.
Heres a thought if the fire service is such a sweet best paying occupation, why dont you get off your ass and go take the test and get on the job. Then you wont be here bashing others for getting a better job then you.
lastly the companies that offer stock options to its employees should have to always have the money on hand{and not be able to touch it} to pay its employees, even if the company goes under.
hey you're the Baby Boomer that got all beside hisself when i would point out how your generation was the me me me generation and have royally fucked my (the younger) generation with your short term thinking and all the me me meing attitude that many Boomers have displayed. What's any different from you saying that your exceptional insurance is owed you because it was part of your compensation package, and the person who is looking for a break on their phantom income (people employed in many of these tech start-ups, and other industries would take stock options in lieu of salary, well in addition to,,,,,,when the companies stock goes to zero, they are left in the cold. Do you think that we should all chip in and make sure they are garanteed what is 'rightfully' theirs just because some contract said so? I think you've said before that you were a fireman, if that's correct, at least from what i've seen they are some of the best paying jobs in the country,,,,,,sorry, i owe you nothing
me me me generation
First off BE EASY am not a baby boomer and part of the generation that you kkeep saying ruined your life. Am only 47 years old, far from being part of that crowd. I would bet every dime i have thou, that you wouldnt be talking to your parents like this. Why dont you tell your Dad that his generation ruined your life, even thou all that money he made working in his life supported your ass.
After reading all your posts over the last year, i finally realize what kind of person you truly are. Your nothing but a selfish person who hates other people for getting things you dont have. Well heres a thought, its not other peoples fault because you arent able to land a good paying job that provides medical insurance. Sorry that your stuck at mikey d's flipping burger. But am 100 percent sure if you did work at a job that provided health insurance you wouldnt be making the posts you make. Guys like you are all the same, hate others for what you dont have.
Heres a little knowledge for you, employers offer medical insurance other things to employees so that they can get good quality people for their jobs. Also alot of places people trade wages for insurance, so its not some free handout like you keep saying. The people that are going to get free healthcare, those are handouts. I spent 25 years helping people on and off the job, so please dont insult me by saying i didnt earn it.
Heres a thought if the fire service is such a sweet best paying occupation, why dont you get off your ass and go take the test and get on the job. Then you wont be here bashing others for getting a better job then you.
lastly the companies that offer stock options to its employees should have to always have the money on hand{and not be able to touch it} to pay its employees, even if the company goes under.
First off BE EASY am not a baby boomer and part of the generation that you kkeep saying ruined your life. Am only 47 years old, far from being part of that crowd. I would bet every dime i have thou, that you wouldnt be talking to your parents like this. Why dont you tell your Dad that his generation ruined your life, even thou all that money he made working in his life supported your ass.
After reading all your posts over the last year, i finally realize what kind of person you truly are. Your nothing but a selfish person who hates other people for getting things you dont have. Well heres a thought, its not other peoples fault because you arent able to land a good paying job that provides medical insurance. Sorry that your stuck at mikey d's flipping burger. But am 100 percent sure if you did work at a job that provided health insurance you wouldnt be making the posts you make. Guys like you are all the same, hate others for what you dont have.
Heres a little knowledge for you, employers offer medical insurance other things to employees so that they can get good quality people for their jobs. Also alot of places people trade wages for insurance, so its not some free handout like you keep saying. The people that are going to get free healthcare, those are handouts. I spent 25 years helping people on and off the job, so please dont insult me by saying i didnt earn it.
Heres a thought if the fire service is such a sweet best paying occupation, why dont you get off your ass and go take the test and get on the job. Then you wont be here bashing others for getting a better job then you.
lastly the companies that offer stock options to its employees should have to always have the money on hand{and not be able to touch it} to pay its employees, even if the company goes under.
First off BE EASY am not a baby boomer and part of the generation that you kkeep saying ruined your life. Am only 47 years old, far from being part of that crowd. I would bet every dime i have thou, that you wouldnt be talking to your parents like this. Why dont you tell your Dad that his generation ruined your life, even thou all that money he made working in his life supported your ass.
After reading all your posts over the last year, i finally realize what kind of person you truly are. Your nothing but a selfish person who hates other people for getting things you dont have. Well heres a thought, its not other peoples fault because you arent able to land a good paying job that provides medical insurance. Sorry that your stuck at mikey d's flipping burger. But am 100 percent sure if you did work at a job that provided health insurance you wouldnt be making the posts you make. Guys like you are all the same, hate others for what you dont have.
Heres a little knowledge for you, employers offer medical insurance other things to employees so that they can get good quality people for their jobs. Also alot of places people trade wages for insurance, so its not some free handout like you keep saying. The people that are going to get free healthcare, those are handouts. I spent 25 years helping people on and off the job, so please dont insult me by saying i didnt earn it.
Heres a thought if the fire service is such a sweet best paying occupation, why dont you get off your ass and go take the test and get on the job. Then you wont be here bashing others for getting a better job then you.
lastly the companies that offer stock options to its employees should have to always have the money on hand{and not be able to touch it} to pay its employees, even if the company goes under.
I'll tell you who is a joke ..that would be a person who can tell you all about the Canadian healthcare system,( after a little toke ) but admits he never has used it or knows how the expenses work............ and say's he has no insight into the way it works, but has heard stories....... ...kewl !
Slim,lmfaooooooo you exposed this little boy along with what i did to him today. Now i understand why he doesnt really know anything, he spends his time smoking pot all day
My guess hes the typical stoner who sits around the house all day waiting for another free handout from his govt
Hey Disco, get off the pot and then maybe you will actually be able to use your mind.
I'll tell you who is a joke ..that would be a person who can tell you all about the Canadian healthcare system,( after a little toke ) but admits he never has used it or knows how the expenses work............ and say's he has no insight into the way it works, but has heard stories....... ...kewl !
Slim,lmfaooooooo you exposed this little boy along with what i did to him today. Now i understand why he doesnt really know anything, he spends his time smoking pot all day
My guess hes the typical stoner who sits around the house all day waiting for another free handout from his govt
Hey Disco, get off the pot and then maybe you will actually be able to use your mind.
Insurance portability wouldn't increase competition and reduce cost??
I know doctors who pay a 1/2 million dollars in malpractice. Significantly reducing that would have a negligible impact on their costs right or is that obama is in bed with the tort lawyers??
Government health care is medical inattention with:
the compassion of the IRS
the speed of the DMV
and the efficiency of the post office
Insurance portability wouldn't increase competition and reduce cost??
I know doctors who pay a 1/2 million dollars in malpractice. Significantly reducing that would have a negligible impact on their costs right or is that obama is in bed with the tort lawyers??
Government health care is medical inattention with:
the compassion of the IRS
the speed of the DMV
and the efficiency of the post office
I have said it a million times and i will say it again. I have no problem helping people to get some type of insurance, what i have a problem with is the fact that they are going to screw up the insurance of 250 million people just to help the ones who dont have it. There are tons of ways for them to get insurance coverage to the people who dont have it, without having to take over the whole healthcare system.
I have said it a million times and i will say it again. I have no problem helping people to get some type of insurance, what i have a problem with is the fact that they are going to screw up the insurance of 250 million people just to help the ones who dont have it. There are tons of ways for them to get insurance coverage to the people who dont have it, without having to take over the whole healthcare system.
Tort reform wouldn't reduce costs significantly???
Insurance portability wouldn't increase competition and reduce cost??
I know doctors who pay a 1/2 million dollars in malpractice. Significantly reducing that would have a negligible impact on their costs right or is that obama is in bed with the tort lawyers??
Government health care is medical inattention with:
the compassion of the IRS
the speed of the DMV
and the efficiency of the post office
why anybody would believe that the govt could run the whole healthcare system when they have failed at running so many other types of businesses. Thats what i really find mind boggling. It would be one thing if the govt was great at running business, then i would say hell yeah lets do a public option, but their not and all their going to do is totally ruin the system. MAYBE THATS THEIR GOAL, TO RUIN THE SYSTEM
Tort reform wouldn't reduce costs significantly???
Insurance portability wouldn't increase competition and reduce cost??
I know doctors who pay a 1/2 million dollars in malpractice. Significantly reducing that would have a negligible impact on their costs right or is that obama is in bed with the tort lawyers??
Government health care is medical inattention with:
the compassion of the IRS
the speed of the DMV
and the efficiency of the post office
why anybody would believe that the govt could run the whole healthcare system when they have failed at running so many other types of businesses. Thats what i really find mind boggling. It would be one thing if the govt was great at running business, then i would say hell yeah lets do a public option, but their not and all their going to do is totally ruin the system. MAYBE THATS THEIR GOAL, TO RUIN THE SYSTEM
Tort reform wouldn't reduce costs significantly???
Insurance portability wouldn't increase competition and reduce cost??
I know doctors who pay a 1/2 million dollars in malpractice. Significantly reducing that would have a negligible impact on their costs right or is that obama is in bed with the tort lawyers??
Government health care is medical inattention with:
the compassion of the IRS
the speed of the DMV
and the efficiency of the post office
Tort reform wouldn't reduce costs significantly???
Insurance portability wouldn't increase competition and reduce cost??
I know doctors who pay a 1/2 million dollars in malpractice. Significantly reducing that would have a negligible impact on their costs right or is that obama is in bed with the tort lawyers??
Government health care is medical inattention with:
the compassion of the IRS
the speed of the DMV
and the efficiency of the post office
I have said it a million times and i will say it again. I have no problem helping people to get some type of insurance, what i have a problem with is the fact that they are going to screw up the insurance of 250 million people just to help the ones who dont have it. There are tons of ways for them to get insurance coverage to the people who dont have it, without having to take over the whole healthcare system.
I have said it a million times and i will say it again. I have no problem helping people to get some type of insurance, what i have a problem with is the fact that they are going to screw up the insurance of 250 million people just to help the ones who dont have it. There are tons of ways for them to get insurance coverage to the people who dont have it, without having to take over the whole healthcare system.
come on you cant be serious? put them in the medicare system, pay for their insurance etc etc. am sure theres alot of creative ways they could get insurance to the uninsured without having to take over the whole damn system. Thats all am saying, dont ruin a system that is working just fine before other ways are tried to get people insurance who need it.
come on you cant be serious? put them in the medicare system, pay for their insurance etc etc. am sure theres alot of creative ways they could get insurance to the uninsured without having to take over the whole damn system. Thats all am saying, dont ruin a system that is working just fine before other ways are tried to get people insurance who need it.
Even if it is true, which I'm not even sure it is, Norwood is like a town of 500 people, with a huge hospital less than 20 minutes in two directions.
It's a tiny ass town, and if people are in that dire need of doctors they should drive 20 minutes to Peterborough and they'd be fine.
And even if this was true, and all those facilities weren't there, that's in no way shape or form reflective on the overall quality of care within a province, or even province to province.
Not only that but there are real problems with the Canadian healthcare system, that are actual problems and not more laughable propaganda cooked up by the right wing.
Of course I'm not gonna give you guys fuel for the fire so if you'd ever want to know you'd actually have to do some research on it.
Of course then you might learn that we spend close to 9% of our tiny GDP on healthcare, while you spend close to 40% of your massive GDP on healthcare, and ours is ranked better in terms of overall quality of care. In addition, we cover all our citizens, while you have millions of American people denied health insurance and treatement.
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Even if it is true, which I'm not even sure it is, Norwood is like a town of 500 people, with a huge hospital less than 20 minutes in two directions.
It's a tiny ass town, and if people are in that dire need of doctors they should drive 20 minutes to Peterborough and they'd be fine.
And even if this was true, and all those facilities weren't there, that's in no way shape or form reflective on the overall quality of care within a province, or even province to province.
Not only that but there are real problems with the Canadian healthcare system, that are actual problems and not more laughable propaganda cooked up by the right wing.
Of course I'm not gonna give you guys fuel for the fire so if you'd ever want to know you'd actually have to do some research on it.
Of course then you might learn that we spend close to 9% of our tiny GDP on healthcare, while you spend close to 40% of your massive GDP on healthcare, and ours is ranked better in terms of overall quality of care. In addition, we cover all our citizens, while you have millions of American people denied health insurance and treatement.
- The Boss ![]()
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come on you cant be serious? put them in the medicare system, pay for their insurance etc etc. am sure theres alot of creative ways they could get insurance to the uninsured without having to take over the whole damn system. Thats all am saying, dont ruin a system that is working just fine before other ways are tried to get people insurance who need it.
come on you cant be serious? put them in the medicare system, pay for their insurance etc etc. am sure theres alot of creative ways they could get insurance to the uninsured without having to take over the whole damn system. Thats all am saying, dont ruin a system that is working just fine before other ways are tried to get people insurance who need it.
listen Disco, maybe your brain cells are completely gone from all the pot you have smoked. No wonder you need to live in a country that supplies free healthcare because you could never get a job that actually provides you with it.
Listen you have been calling me a liar and saying i was making up the fact that a senator tried adding an amendment making all the politicians have to take the public option. So today i post a link for you and then your stooned ass has the nerve to say that link was no good, so then i post a link right from our govts senators website and you try saying that the senator is lying and that link isnt real.
Well listen kid its as real as can be. The truth is your stoned ass got owned by me and its still to hard for you to accept the truth that you were totally wrong and really know nothing about this healthcare issue.
In fact your own words now confirm the fact that you know nothing. Really stick to what you are good at, smoking your pot and getting high.
listen Disco, maybe your brain cells are completely gone from all the pot you have smoked. No wonder you need to live in a country that supplies free healthcare because you could never get a job that actually provides you with it.
Listen you have been calling me a liar and saying i was making up the fact that a senator tried adding an amendment making all the politicians have to take the public option. So today i post a link for you and then your stooned ass has the nerve to say that link was no good, so then i post a link right from our govts senators website and you try saying that the senator is lying and that link isnt real.
Well listen kid its as real as can be. The truth is your stoned ass got owned by me and its still to hard for you to accept the truth that you were totally wrong and really know nothing about this healthcare issue.
In fact your own words now confirm the fact that you know nothing. Really stick to what you are good at, smoking your pot and getting high.
Dude, dsn, respect - the first thing I asked cd about a month ago on this issue (before he went apeshit conservative) was his thoughts on the bill and his concerns on the bill.
he then went into rhetoric and made some claims, which I asked him to link - he then went ape shit on me, and I decided to stand up for myself.
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My interest in the debate:
- When lemmings like Slim post misinformation about Canadian healthcare and how bad it is.
- Fundamentalism and the privatization of things that should not be private, like healthcare. (in this case it is already private so the goal is somewhat flipped on it's head)
Dude, dsn, respect - the first thing I asked cd about a month ago on this issue (before he went apeshit conservative) was his thoughts on the bill and his concerns on the bill.
he then went into rhetoric and made some claims, which I asked him to link - he then went ape shit on me, and I decided to stand up for myself.
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My interest in the debate:
- When lemmings like Slim post misinformation about Canadian healthcare and how bad it is.
- Fundamentalism and the privatization of things that should not be private, like healthcare. (in this case it is already private so the goal is somewhat flipped on it's head)
Sorry Disco but i posted a link directly to a govt web page. all senators have them. They are all govt pages.
I owned your ass and you still dont want to accept the fact that you were 100 percent wrong. FACE IT STONER YOU LOST.
Honestly i dont even know why am going arguing with a pothead, its clear your mond is all messed up.
Sorry Disco but i posted a link directly to a govt web page. all senators have them. They are all govt pages.
I owned your ass and you still dont want to accept the fact that you were 100 percent wrong. FACE IT STONER YOU LOST.
Honestly i dont even know why am going arguing with a pothead, its clear your mond is all messed up.
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