Public option gets defeated

I think they'll end up with a public option trigger after a number of years only if certain goals are not met.  Seems like a good compromise.  Give the industry a couple years to prove themselves, and if they still can't then fuck em.

Insurance companies spend a quarter of their money fighting against the people that pay the premiums to them.

Yes and the government would spend 1/4 er 1/2 of its budget on waste.

No way in hell is the Baucus bill 'middle of the road'. It includes every tax in the world and taxes on those taxes. It isn't worth decimating every small and mid sized business entity in the country to provide health insurance for 12 million uninsured.

d2 - the trigger will be dead also. it is a public option. public = government. people have woken up to this nonsense

Let me correct you Depeche....No, you are wrong. Its already dead. 

Tilt, you obviously don't know anything about the legislative process.  I'm not saying it's going to happen but nothing is ever dead.

I agree with doctors who overwhelmingly favor a pubic option...

(AFP) – Sep 14, 2009

SAN FRANCISCO — Most US doctors approve of a "public option" to supplement private health care insurance in the United States, as proposed by President Barack Obama, a poll showed Monday.

A total of 62.9 percent of physicians who participated in the survey by the prestigious New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) said they favored a public option, or government insurance plan, against 27.3 percent backing a private system alone.

Another 9.6 percent favored a completely government-owned health care coverage system.

"It's clear that the majority of US physicians support both public and private options to expand coverage," NEJM said, noting that between 52 and 69 percent of Americans favor a supplemental public option.

The journal described physicians as "critical stakeholders" in health care reform.

Obama has vowed to pass legislation by the end of the year that would spread coverage to America's 47 million uninsured by making insurance obligatory and affordable for all.

But he has faced strong criticism, especially from Republicans, who have jumped on the 900-billion-dollar price tag and stoked fears that a mooted public option would lead to a federal takeover of health care -- anathema to many Americans who abhor the idea of big government.

The NEJM poll found that 58.3 percent of physicians favor expanding Medicare, the public health insurance plan for seniors over 65 years old, to people aged 55 and over.

This option is among a set of proposals being considered by the Senate Finance Committee, which has played a key role in legislating the health reform plan.

In the traditionally more conservative South, 58.9 percent of US physicians favored a public option, compared to 69.7 percent in the generally more progressive Northeast.

NEJM surveyed 2,130 general physicians, specialists and surgeons who work in a private practice or with hospital groups.

A Washington Post-ABC News opinion poll meanwhile showed Americans remained almost deadlocked in their opinion of the health care initiative, with 46 percent in favor of the proposed changes and 48 percent opposed.

The AMA supports the plan, but only account for 25% of doctors. Doctors as a whole are overwhelmingly AGAINST the plan.

doctors supporting the plan. C'mon now.

please provide a link where >50% of doctors are against the public option

I won't be holding my breath waiting

wow, 75% of the doctors in this survey are not AMA members

what was the outcome?

This is sad, because America does deserve universal health care.

There are far to many poor and middle class families out there without health insurance.

I wish they would just hurry up and figure it out, get the damn thing passed already.

Doesn't matter if the government sucks at running it, or losses money running it, we can just print more money to fund it, i'm completely serious, it works for everything else in this country that fails, so why not healthcare as well?

Yes you can, what are you talking about?

You can print money forever, that is A fact.

Come on man, this isn't brain surgery.

cd329

I know this is harsh but one hopes you one day really will need your insurance, and they then cut you off halfway through your treatment and leaves you with 80.000 + $ in debt.

I wonder what you will say then.

A total of 62.9 percent of physicians who participated in the survey
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unscientific isnt it?

participation was voluntary. those who participated felt strong enough to do so

aeternus - you cant keep printing money without dire consequences. we've gotten away with it so far but wont forever. however, how is it the right of an american citizen to receive healthcare. we have a "right" to equal access to healthcare (part of pursuit of happiness) but we dont have a right to the product

doesnt matter...the public option is dead on arrival

lift the intrastate barriers and competition will bring prices down provided government regulates against collusion and price fixing (we cant trust that either)

DiscoD69

As usual you get the point of an argument. Obviously i do not wish Cd329 go down with cancer or what not, however he seems totally ignorant as to what is going on with people who "think" they have health coverage only to be cut of the funding half way through.