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    Pres.Obama will probably ditch Vice Pres Biden...

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    don juan
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    Posted: Jan. 25, 2010 - 5:57 PM ET #1

    The handwriting is on the wall.. Obama will ask Hillary to run with him to be re-elected in 2012. When Palin makes her announcement, Biden will announce his resignation. Bill Clinton would no longer be a threat or distraction.
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    The handwriting is on the wall.. Obama will ask Hillary to run with him to be re-elected in 2012. When Palin makes her announcement, Biden will announce his resignation. Bill Clinton would no longer be a threat or distraction.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 25, 2010 - 6:33 PM ET #2

    Intriguing.  I guess it's possible, but it seems like a longshot.  Maybe they can flip-flop and Biden would become SOS?
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    Intriguing.  I guess it's possible, but it seems like a longshot.  Maybe they can flip-flop and Biden would become SOS?
     
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    Posted: Jan. 25, 2010 - 6:40 PM ET #3

    I  think shuffling around people like that would be pretty detrimental,  he has already mitigated Hillary by giver her a high position,  she is completely harmless now. 

    Biden resigning would be pretty damning as well.

    Is this all speculation or do you have reasoning behind this theory.
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    I  think shuffling around people like that would be pretty detrimental,  he has already mitigated Hillary by giver her a high position,  she is completely harmless now. 

    Biden resigning would be pretty damning as well.

    Is this all speculation or do you have reasoning behind this theory.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 25, 2010 - 6:56 PM ET #4

    I saw Hillary Clinton somewhere if she wanted to serve a 2 term as Sec. of State.

    She said it was not likely.
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    I saw Hillary Clinton somewhere if she wanted to serve a 2 term as Sec. of State.

    She said it was not likely.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 25, 2010 - 7:22 PM ET #5

    The Dems will probably boot President Obama and choose Hillary.  No telling who she will want as VP.  I don't think she will take the VP unless she has "plans".
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    The Dems will probably boot President Obama and choose Hillary.  No telling who she will want as VP.  I don't think she will take the VP unless she has "plans".
     
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    Posted: Jan. 25, 2010 - 7:35 PM ET #6

    She'll be running alright.......................against blo.
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    She'll be running alright.......................against blo.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 25, 2010 - 7:52 PM ET #7

    Palin vs Hillary in a Presidential debate. I wouldn't miss that. Hillary would destroy her. The great thing about a Palin/Hillary debate is that Hillary can take the gloves off and expose all her demons. When Biden debated her all we heard about was how he has to be easy on her because she's a women. 
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    Palin vs Hillary in a Presidential debate. I wouldn't miss that. Hillary would destroy her. The great thing about a Palin/Hillary debate is that Hillary can take the gloves off and expose all her demons. When Biden debated her all we heard about was how he has to be easy on her because she's a women. 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 25, 2010 - 8:04 PM ET #8

    President Barack Obama said he would rather be a one- term president than give up on his goals.....I believe him and for that I see him being a one termer ...
     
    ..and since it looks like Obama has reached the maximum of his inherent capacity..after giving over 450 speeches and 150 interview his first year ..he has become a broken record ......
     
    All that talking and has not given a White House Press Conference since July 22,2009 ..........
     
    The one thing Obama HAD going for him was his "unknownness" now that is gone and what's known is not so appealing ....
     
    The American people are at last giving Obama a realistic assessment.. . .
     
    ..and after all the Fatwa's he has issued ..against...American exceptionalism, evil wallstreet,pick-up truck owners ,people clinging to their bibles ,American auto Exec's, Fox News, people clinging to their guns,stupidly acting police and fat-cats bankers ...the only thing left is a Fatwa against the will of the people ( e.i.Massachusetts) on the Healthcare Reform Bill ..
     
    So if that is a goal, that he is unwilling to give-up... then he will get the " rather be " in 2012 ........
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    President Barack Obama said he would rather be a one- term president than give up on his goals.....I believe him and for that I see him being a one termer ...
     
    ..and since it looks like Obama has reached the maximum of his inherent capacity..after giving over 450 speeches and 150 interview his first year ..he has become a broken record ......
     
    All that talking and has not given a White House Press Conference since July 22,2009 ..........
     
    The one thing Obama HAD going for him was his "unknownness" now that is gone and what's known is not so appealing ....
     
    The American people are at last giving Obama a realistic assessment.. . .
     
    ..and after all the Fatwa's he has issued ..against...American exceptionalism, evil wallstreet,pick-up truck owners ,people clinging to their bibles ,American auto Exec's, Fox News, people clinging to their guns,stupidly acting police and fat-cats bankers ...the only thing left is a Fatwa against the will of the people ( e.i.Massachusetts) on the Healthcare Reform Bill ..
     
    So if that is a goal, that he is unwilling to give-up... then he will get the " rather be " in 2012 ........
     
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    Posted: Jan. 25, 2010 - 9:01 PM ET #9

    One year into his term and throwing out Biden is the answer to this catastrophe of a presidency? Panic setting in already DJ? VP isn't the problem here. It's the P.

    As far as Hillary debating Palin, will she drag that sled of dead bodies her and Billy have with them to the debate to expose Palin's demons?

    I don't know what's more hilarious, this thread or that debate suggestion. Wondering if Hillary would request a "no make-up" condition for the debate? Palin is a woman, women is plural. Hillary would qualify as a women (look at those hips).
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    One year into his term and throwing out Biden is the answer to this catastrophe of a presidency? Panic setting in already DJ? VP isn't the problem here. It's the P.

    As far as Hillary debating Palin, will she drag that sled of dead bodies her and Billy have with them to the debate to expose Palin's demons?

    I don't know what's more hilarious, this thread or that debate suggestion. Wondering if Hillary would request a "no make-up" condition for the debate? Palin is a woman, women is plural. Hillary would qualify as a women (look at those hips).
     
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    Posted: Jan. 25, 2010 - 10:07 PM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:

    One year into his term and throwing out Biden is the answer to this catastrophe of a presidency? Panic setting in already DJ? VP isn't the problem here. It's the P.

    As far as Hillary debating Palin, will she drag that sled of dead bodies her and Billy have with them to the debate to expose Palin's demons?

    I don't know what's more hilarious, this thread or that debate suggestion. Wondering if Hillary would request a "no make-up" condition for the debate? Palin is a woman, women is plural. Hillary would qualify as a women (look at those hips).


    Obviously you don't know how to read subject matter.  I'm not throwing out anyone, just suggesting a 2012 strategy against a female, namely Palin.

    Secondly, Hillary seems to be doing well with or without any bodies

    Finally, why don't you post a photo of yourself when you start making fun of someone's hips, let's see and measure your gut. I can guarantee, you're not perfect.

    Typical Toy Repub


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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:

    One year into his term and throwing out Biden is the answer to this catastrophe of a presidency? Panic setting in already DJ? VP isn't the problem here. It's the P.

    As far as Hillary debating Palin, will she drag that sled of dead bodies her and Billy have with them to the debate to expose Palin's demons?

    I don't know what's more hilarious, this thread or that debate suggestion. Wondering if Hillary would request a "no make-up" condition for the debate? Palin is a woman, women is plural. Hillary would qualify as a women (look at those hips).


    Obviously you don't know how to read subject matter.  I'm not throwing out anyone, just suggesting a 2012 strategy against a female, namely Palin.

    Secondly, Hillary seems to be doing well with or without any bodies

    Finally, why don't you post a photo of yourself when you start making fun of someone's hips, let's see and measure your gut. I can guarantee, you're not perfect.

    Typical Toy Repub


     
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    Posted: Jan. 25, 2010 - 10:27 PM ET #11

    Huge mistake (I think) for Obama to play musical chairs to pander to anyone.

    I think he would lose a lot of respect.

    Hillary dropping her DUTIES as a Sec. of State during war time is a definite nono  the press will eat her alive. 


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    Huge mistake (I think) for Obama to play musical chairs to pander to anyone.

    I think he would lose a lot of respect.

    Hillary dropping her DUTIES as a Sec. of State during war time is a definite nono  the press will eat her alive. 


     
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    Obama never said he would rather be a one term President than give up on his goals.

    He said that he would rather be a GREAT one term President than a mediocre two-term President.

    He has three years left to achieve that but he needs to stop being a Republican in disguise. There comes a time when you have to just say F U  to people and go away. His base is pissed of at him because he continues to pander to the right.

    Like for Fuck sakes Barack, these people don't respect you  (Wilson incident) they want you to fail (Demints comments) etc etc etc.  Even Spector apolgizes to that nutbag Bachmann..I agree with Howard Dean the Dems are softer than cotton candy and they need to stop it.

    I support Obama but if he wants to just keep trying to want to work with the Repubs who just keep saying NO to all his agenda than fine go away after one term. Hopefully someone else will come along who won't be that way.

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    Obama never said he would rather be a one term President than give up on his goals.

    He said that he would rather be a GREAT one term President than a mediocre two-term President.

    He has three years left to achieve that but he needs to stop being a Republican in disguise. There comes a time when you have to just say F U  to people and go away. His base is pissed of at him because he continues to pander to the right.

    Like for Fuck sakes Barack, these people don't respect you  (Wilson incident) they want you to fail (Demints comments) etc etc etc.  Even Spector apolgizes to that nutbag Bachmann..I agree with Howard Dean the Dems are softer than cotton candy and they need to stop it.

    I support Obama but if he wants to just keep trying to want to work with the Repubs who just keep saying NO to all his agenda than fine go away after one term. Hopefully someone else will come along who won't be that way.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldtrafford:

    Obama never said he would rather be a one term President than give up on his goals.

    He said that he would rather be a GREAT one term President than a mediocre two-term President.

     

    As in Orwell's Animal Farm almost every animal on the farm was literate in some degree. As for the pigs, they could already read and write perfectly. So when the animals asked what was written on the barn the leader Comrade Napolean (a pig) would change the wording to suit his purpose.............

     

    NOV.2009 ..On Tuesday night President Obama is scheduled to give his announcement on his policy with regard to continuation of the war in Afghanistan. In the meantime peace groups assembled before Thanksgiving to give their formal opinions on ending the war. This is one of them:

    "It is unlikely that we will soon have another president with the moral and rhetorical force to talk us out of a foolish commitment that cannot be sustained without shame and defeat," writes Garry Wills in The New York Review of Books. "If it costs him his presidency, what other achievement can match it?

    During his presidential campaign, Barack Obama said. . he would rather be a one-term president than give up on his goals.. . Here is a goal no other president we can imagine would have a possibility of reaching. Presidents who just kick the can down the road are easy to come by. Lost lives and limbs are not."

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldtrafford:

    Obama never said he would rather be a one term President than give up on his goals.

    He said that he would rather be a GREAT one term President than a mediocre two-term President.

     

    As in Orwell's Animal Farm almost every animal on the farm was literate in some degree. As for the pigs, they could already read and write perfectly. So when the animals asked what was written on the barn the leader Comrade Napolean (a pig) would change the wording to suit his purpose.............

     

    NOV.2009 ..On Tuesday night President Obama is scheduled to give his announcement on his policy with regard to continuation of the war in Afghanistan. In the meantime peace groups assembled before Thanksgiving to give their formal opinions on ending the war. This is one of them:

    "It is unlikely that we will soon have another president with the moral and rhetorical force to talk us out of a foolish commitment that cannot be sustained without shame and defeat," writes Garry Wills in The New York Review of Books. "If it costs him his presidency, what other achievement can match it?

    During his presidential campaign, Barack Obama said. . he would rather be a one-term president than give up on his goals.. . Here is a goal no other president we can imagine would have a possibility of reaching. Presidents who just kick the can down the road are easy to come by. Lost lives and limbs are not."

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    Spectacular Animal Farm analogy, great book too even though I really dislike reading. If Obama wants to salvage any last respect of the American people then the following need to go, and in this order too actually...

    1. Nancy Pelosi

    2. Harry Reid

    3. Timmy Geithner

    4. Rahm Emanuel

    You can argue about Bernake well actually ya know what fuck it

    5. Ben Bernake

    That's a good start, can't change everything in one day but if he would implement decent people for these positions it would be a good start, and I mean decent as in human quality and empathy. Decent non power hungry Americans. We need to get rid of the czars too, Van Jones and Cass Sunstein, the czars answer to Obama only, and theres like 40 of em! What the fuck happened to bring on the czars?!?

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    Spectacular Animal Farm analogy, great book too even though I really dislike reading. If Obama wants to salvage any last respect of the American people then the following need to go, and in this order too actually...

    1. Nancy Pelosi

    2. Harry Reid

    3. Timmy Geithner

    4. Rahm Emanuel

    You can argue about Bernake well actually ya know what fuck it

    5. Ben Bernake

    That's a good start, can't change everything in one day but if he would implement decent people for these positions it would be a good start, and I mean decent as in human quality and empathy. Decent non power hungry Americans. We need to get rid of the czars too, Van Jones and Cass Sunstein, the czars answer to Obama only, and theres like 40 of em! What the fuck happened to bring on the czars?!?

     
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    Didn't Bush have more czars?. When did the word "CZAR" come into being. Wasn't it during the Bush administration. You guys keep going on and on about czars but it started during the Bush wars so why doesn't that make him a Communist.
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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2010 - 12:31 PM ET #16

    Would barack rather be a horrible one term president or a mediocre two termer?
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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2010 - 1:00 PM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by oldtrafford:

     Didn't Bush have more czars?. When did the word "CZAR" come into being. Wasn't it during the Bush administration. You guys keep going on and on about czars but it started during the Bush wars so why doesn't that make him a Communist.

     

    Home schooled ?

    First Czar .......Ivan IV, or “Ivan the Terrible,” about 500 years ago was the first true “tsar,” or Czar from Latin Caesar.............

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldtrafford:

     Didn't Bush have more czars?. When did the word "CZAR" come into being. Wasn't it during the Bush administration. You guys keep going on and on about czars but it started during the Bush wars so why doesn't that make him a Communist.

     

    Home schooled ?

    First Czar .......Ivan IV, or “Ivan the Terrible,” about 500 years ago was the first true “tsar,” or Czar from Latin Caesar.............

     
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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2010 - 1:02 PM ET #18

    Quote Originally Posted by oldtrafford:

    Didn't Bush have more czars?. When did the word "CZAR" come into being. Wasn't it during the Bush administration. You guys keep going on and on about czars but it started during the Bush wars so why doesn't that make him a Communist.


    FDR had advisers that were given power in this capacity, they were called Dictators, Nixon started calling them Czars, and every subsequent pres. has had them.

    Their existence is 100% unconstitutional.

    not sure where you are going to with the communist statement?

    but Obama's choice of Czars is what brought them into the forefront, Van Jones being a notable example who is an outward communist who has laid out the groundwork for turning the advent of "green Jobs" into a redistribution of wealth "social justice" crusade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldtrafford:

    Didn't Bush have more czars?. When did the word "CZAR" come into being. Wasn't it during the Bush administration. You guys keep going on and on about czars but it started during the Bush wars so why doesn't that make him a Communist.


    FDR had advisers that were given power in this capacity, they were called Dictators, Nixon started calling them Czars, and every subsequent pres. has had them.

    Their existence is 100% unconstitutional.

    not sure where you are going to with the communist statement?

    but Obama's choice of Czars is what brought them into the forefront, Van Jones being a notable example who is an outward communist who has laid out the groundwork for turning the advent of "green Jobs" into a redistribution of wealth "social justice" crusade.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2010 - 1:09 PM ET #19

    An example of this social justice would be taking jobs away from the private sector and giving them to prisons.

    Here is a link to your favorite guy Alex Jones talking about the subject

    Here is another link

    $ 1.00 a day workers right here in America.  social justice is a joke


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    An example of this social justice would be taking jobs away from the private sector and giving them to prisons.

    Here is a link to your favorite guy Alex Jones talking about the subject

    Here is another link

    $ 1.00 a day workers right here in America.  social justice is a joke


     
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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2010 - 1:15 PM ET #20

    Every time I see Palin's name in this context (running for President) it makes me happy because she will never win. Sure the wing nuts in here get a hard on when they hear he speak but that won't get her elected. The vast majority don't want her as President.
    Even a horrible opponent would beat her so against let's say...Obama she'd have no chance as he's probably the best campaigner of all time.
    In 7 years we can discuss whether he was a great President or not.

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    Every time I see Palin's name in this context (running for President) it makes me happy because she will never win. Sure the wing nuts in here get a hard on when they hear he speak but that won't get her elected. The vast majority don't want her as President.
    Even a horrible opponent would beat her so against let's say...Obama she'd have no chance as he's probably the best campaigner of all time.
    In 7 years we can discuss whether he was a great President or not.

     
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    Agreed RJ, on both counts.

    If Palin runs, she will give up any momentum that Repubs have going into the election.

    Time will ultimately tell if Obama was a good Pres. or not.  As with all Presidents in history I am guessing he will be remembered fondly for certain things, and vilified for certain things.
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    Agreed RJ, on both counts.

    If Palin runs, she will give up any momentum that Repubs have going into the election.

    Time will ultimately tell if Obama was a good Pres. or not.  As with all Presidents in history I am guessing he will be remembered fondly for certain things, and vilified for certain things.
     
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    I don't think he will because she would only do that if she was ready for a run in 2016.  I believe that would make her the 2nd oldest president ever elected if she won.  She will have been at it for too long at that point.  Also that would send up a big flag of retreat and the Dems won't put forth that kind of image with a tough election in 2012. 
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    I don't think he will because she would only do that if she was ready for a run in 2016.  I believe that would make her the 2nd oldest president ever elected if she won.  She will have been at it for too long at that point.  Also that would send up a big flag of retreat and the Dems won't put forth that kind of image with a tough election in 2012. 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2010 - 2:51 PM ET #23

    Quote Originally Posted by KinKAID:

    Spectacular Animal Farm analogy, great book too even though I really dislike reading. If Obama wants to salvage any last respect of the American people then the following need to go, and in this order too actually...

    1. Nancy Pelosi

    2. Harry Reid

    3. Timmy Geithner

    4. Rahm Emanuel

     

    If those 4 were gone tommorrow, his poll numbers would jump 10 points if not more. Fact

    Also, its probably be his best hope at re-election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KinKAID:

    Spectacular Animal Farm analogy, great book too even though I really dislike reading. If Obama wants to salvage any last respect of the American people then the following need to go, and in this order too actually...

    1. Nancy Pelosi

    2. Harry Reid

    3. Timmy Geithner

    4. Rahm Emanuel

     

    If those 4 were gone tommorrow, his poll numbers would jump 10 points if not more. Fact

    Also, its probably be his best hope at re-election.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2010 - 3:10 PM ET #24

    BO is a phony, reminds me of another media based politician.

    You never know, we are only 1/4 into the term, the way economic cycles run he could be sitting on the top in year 3 and it wouldnt matter at that point.
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    BO is a phony, reminds me of another media based politician.

    You never know, we are only 1/4 into the term, the way economic cycles run he could be sitting on the top in year 3 and it wouldnt matter at that point.
     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2010 - 5:19 PM ET #25

    At the rate Obama is tanking, he may not be around to choose anybody
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