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    Measles is back! Thank the anti-vaxxers

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    Posted: Aug. 18, 2025 - 8:12 PM ET #51

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    The U.S. is having its worst year for measles in more than three decades, as childhood vaccination rates against the virus decline and more parents claim exemptions from school requirements. The U.S. has confirmed 1,356 cases as of Aug. 5, according U.S Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data. The nation’s third measles death was unvaccinated adult in New Mexico who died in March.

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    The U.S. is having its worst year for measles in more than three decades, as childhood vaccination rates against the virus decline and more parents claim exemptions from school requirements. The U.S. has confirmed 1,356 cases as of Aug. 5, according U.S Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data. The nation’s third measles death was unvaccinated adult in New Mexico who died in March.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 18, 2025 - 8:28 PM ET #52

    Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch:

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Dangerous decisions by health Secretary Kennedy to cancel investments in global childhood vaccination and research in MRNA vaccines for future pandemic. Without vaccines, there could be millions of preventable deaths. The private sector is capable of driving research. Big Pharma has plenty of money to out towards R&D. This is coming from someone who believes mRNA and CRISPR therapies are the future, and that we should be heavily invested in their research. Pretending that any mRNA vaccine is bad for humanity is a glaring warning sign that you don’t know jack about modern biology from the last 40 years.

    Where did I say any vaccine was bad for humanity? And I promise you that I have read more on mRNA therapies than you have. I took an interest in this stuff, mRNA, CRISPR, etc, before covid, chasing the fountain of youth. I'm simply saying that big pharma can foot their own bill for research and development. For it is them that will reap the rewards.

    R.I.P. #94 MARSHAWN KNEELAND - DC4L
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch:

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Dangerous decisions by health Secretary Kennedy to cancel investments in global childhood vaccination and research in MRNA vaccines for future pandemic. Without vaccines, there could be millions of preventable deaths. The private sector is capable of driving research. Big Pharma has plenty of money to out towards R&D. This is coming from someone who believes mRNA and CRISPR therapies are the future, and that we should be heavily invested in their research. Pretending that any mRNA vaccine is bad for humanity is a glaring warning sign that you don’t know jack about modern biology from the last 40 years.

    Where did I say any vaccine was bad for humanity? And I promise you that I have read more on mRNA therapies than you have. I took an interest in this stuff, mRNA, CRISPR, etc, before covid, chasing the fountain of youth. I'm simply saying that big pharma can foot their own bill for research and development. For it is them that will reap the rewards.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 20, 2025 - 1:55 AM ET #53

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch: Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Dangerous decisions by health Secretary Kennedy to cancel investments in global childhood vaccination and research in MRNA vaccines for future pandemic. Without vaccines, there could be millions of preventable deaths. The private sector is capable of driving research. Big Pharma has plenty of money to out towards R&D. This is coming from someone who believes mRNA and CRISPR therapies are the future, and that we should be heavily invested in their research. Pretending that any mRNA vaccine is bad for humanity is a glaring warning sign that you don’t know jack about modern biology from the last 40 years. Where did I say any vaccine was bad for humanity? And I promise you that I have read more on mRNA therapies than you have. I took an interest in this stuff, mRNA, CRISPR, etc, before covid, chasing the fountain of youth. I'm simply saying that big pharma can foot their own bill for research and development. For it is them that will reap the rewards.

    Oh you’ve read more than I have? Lol whatever bro

     

    Government funding of vaccine programs promotes public safety and confidence in vaccines. It also prevents the brain drain that your favorite Dementia President somehow loves to promote. 
    “LEts SUE all the UNiverSitIes and SImulTaaNEOUsly SlASH all THeir POstDOc fuNDINg anD MAeK it HardEr to aTtrACt gLoBaL talent” lmao

     

    This just repels all the smart international students and they will go elsewhere. Meanwhile, your dotard President sets us back 50 years behind all of our competitors. GREAT JOB TEAM DEMENTIA! new_devil

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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch: Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Dangerous decisions by health Secretary Kennedy to cancel investments in global childhood vaccination and research in MRNA vaccines for future pandemic. Without vaccines, there could be millions of preventable deaths. The private sector is capable of driving research. Big Pharma has plenty of money to out towards R&D. This is coming from someone who believes mRNA and CRISPR therapies are the future, and that we should be heavily invested in their research. Pretending that any mRNA vaccine is bad for humanity is a glaring warning sign that you don’t know jack about modern biology from the last 40 years. Where did I say any vaccine was bad for humanity? And I promise you that I have read more on mRNA therapies than you have. I took an interest in this stuff, mRNA, CRISPR, etc, before covid, chasing the fountain of youth. I'm simply saying that big pharma can foot their own bill for research and development. For it is them that will reap the rewards.

    Oh you’ve read more than I have? Lol whatever bro

     

    Government funding of vaccine programs promotes public safety and confidence in vaccines. It also prevents the brain drain that your favorite Dementia President somehow loves to promote. 
    “LEts SUE all the UNiverSitIes and SImulTaaNEOUsly SlASH all THeir POstDOc fuNDINg anD MAeK it HardEr to aTtrACt gLoBaL talent” lmao

     

    This just repels all the smart international students and they will go elsewhere. Meanwhile, your dotard President sets us back 50 years behind all of our competitors. GREAT JOB TEAM DEMENTIA! new_devil

     
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    Posted: Aug. 28, 2025 - 9:09 AM ET #54

    Washington post reports that CDC director Monarez has been fired and top officials have resigned.   Monarez refuses to rubber stamp reckless policies and fire health experts. She chooses to protect public health over political agenda.  Trump administration dismantles scientific institutions and dangerously politicizes science.

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    Washington post reports that CDC director Monarez has been fired and top officials have resigned.   Monarez refuses to rubber stamp reckless policies and fire health experts. She chooses to protect public health over political agenda.  Trump administration dismantles scientific institutions and dangerously politicizes science.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 28, 2025 - 11:00 AM ET #55

    Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch:

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch: Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Dangerous decisions by health Secretary Kennedy to cancel investments in global childhood vaccination and research in MRNA vaccines for future pandemic. Without vaccines, there could be millions of preventable deaths. The private sector is capable of driving research. Big Pharma has plenty of money to out towards R&D. This is coming from someone who believes mRNA and CRISPR therapies are the future, and that we should be heavily invested in their research. Pretending that any mRNA vaccine is bad for humanity is a glaring warning sign that you don’t know jack about modern biology from the last 40 years. Where did I say any vaccine was bad for humanity? And I promise you that I have read more on mRNA therapies than you have. I took an interest in this stuff, mRNA, CRISPR, etc, before covid, chasing the fountain of youth. I'm simply saying that big pharma can foot their own bill for research and development. For it is them that will reap the rewards. Oh you’ve read more than I have? Lol whatever bro   Government funding of vaccine programs promotes public safety and confidence in vaccines. It also prevents the brain drain that your favorite Dementia President somehow loves to promote. “LEts SUE all the UNiverSitIes and SImulTaaNEOUsly SlASH all THeir POstDOc fuNDINg anD MAeK it HardEr to aTtrACt gLoBaL talent” lmao   This just repels all the smart international students and they will go elsewhere. Meanwhile, your dotard President sets us back 50 years behind all of our competitors. GREAT JOB TEAM DEMENTIA!

    Every great empire has collapsed due to stupidity and terrible leaders. Looks like we are heading in that direction. Other countries must be laughing their asses off watching us destroy ourselves

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch:

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch: Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Dangerous decisions by health Secretary Kennedy to cancel investments in global childhood vaccination and research in MRNA vaccines for future pandemic. Without vaccines, there could be millions of preventable deaths. The private sector is capable of driving research. Big Pharma has plenty of money to out towards R&D. This is coming from someone who believes mRNA and CRISPR therapies are the future, and that we should be heavily invested in their research. Pretending that any mRNA vaccine is bad for humanity is a glaring warning sign that you don’t know jack about modern biology from the last 40 years. Where did I say any vaccine was bad for humanity? And I promise you that I have read more on mRNA therapies than you have. I took an interest in this stuff, mRNA, CRISPR, etc, before covid, chasing the fountain of youth. I'm simply saying that big pharma can foot their own bill for research and development. For it is them that will reap the rewards. Oh you’ve read more than I have? Lol whatever bro   Government funding of vaccine programs promotes public safety and confidence in vaccines. It also prevents the brain drain that your favorite Dementia President somehow loves to promote. “LEts SUE all the UNiverSitIes and SImulTaaNEOUsly SlASH all THeir POstDOc fuNDINg anD MAeK it HardEr to aTtrACt gLoBaL talent” lmao   This just repels all the smart international students and they will go elsewhere. Meanwhile, your dotard President sets us back 50 years behind all of our competitors. GREAT JOB TEAM DEMENTIA!

    Every great empire has collapsed due to stupidity and terrible leaders. Looks like we are heading in that direction. Other countries must be laughing their asses off watching us destroy ourselves

     
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    Posted: Aug. 28, 2025 - 5:28 PM ET #56

    We were laughing when the idiot Elon Musk lost 100 billion in a month etc. - but very few people find joy in seeing 350 million people heading towards their demise (rather it being due to economic failure or a virus we have a known cure for) - atleast for Europeans I think most just watch and give a /sigh - because you should think - at least one of you guys could read a book and see how it has went for us in the past - nothing you guys are facing hasn’t happened in our history before - apart from the self-inflicted wound that is Trumps tariffs policies (that is a world first an_cheersan_praise) - but there has been a time where almost all countries in the world put tariffs on another country

    Don't mention the frogs - we don't want to scare the toddler - we want him to sleep
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    We were laughing when the idiot Elon Musk lost 100 billion in a month etc. - but very few people find joy in seeing 350 million people heading towards their demise (rather it being due to economic failure or a virus we have a known cure for) - atleast for Europeans I think most just watch and give a /sigh - because you should think - at least one of you guys could read a book and see how it has went for us in the past - nothing you guys are facing hasn’t happened in our history before - apart from the self-inflicted wound that is Trumps tariffs policies (that is a world first an_cheersan_praise) - but there has been a time where almost all countries in the world put tariffs on another country

     
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    Posted: Aug. 29, 2025 - 7:50 AM ET #57

    On CNN, doctor Daskalaka reveals that health secretary Kennedy does not accept briefings from experts before making major public health decisions at Center for disease control.  He is a lawyer with no medical training.  An anti-vaxxer who promotes misinformation that endangers public health.   Obviously, Kennedy is unqualified and deserves to be fired.  Several senators have asked for investigation of staff departures.

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    On CNN, doctor Daskalaka reveals that health secretary Kennedy does not accept briefings from experts before making major public health decisions at Center for disease control.  He is a lawyer with no medical training.  An anti-vaxxer who promotes misinformation that endangers public health.   Obviously, Kennedy is unqualified and deserves to be fired.  Several senators have asked for investigation of staff departures.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    On CNN, doctor Daskalaka reveals that health secretary Kennedy does not accept briefings from experts before making major public health decisions at Center for disease control.  He is a lawyer with no medical training.  An anti-vaxxer who promotes misinformation that endangers public health.   Obviously, Kennedy is unqualified and deserves to be fired.  Several senators have asked for investigation of staff departures.

    republicans and magas are so frigging dumb. They must really believe bad health decisions by unqualified people wont have any effect on them and their families lives

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    On CNN, doctor Daskalaka reveals that health secretary Kennedy does not accept briefings from experts before making major public health decisions at Center for disease control.  He is a lawyer with no medical training.  An anti-vaxxer who promotes misinformation that endangers public health.   Obviously, Kennedy is unqualified and deserves to be fired.  Several senators have asked for investigation of staff departures.

    republicans and magas are so frigging dumb. They must really believe bad health decisions by unqualified people wont have any effect on them and their families lives

     
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    Posted: Aug. 30, 2025 - 11:51 PM ET #59

    The primary reason we don’t want to import your food is because they do stuff to it or put stuff in it - that has been medically proven to harm your body - think about that for a second how sick a mentality that is - but they of course also charge you when you do become sick - so maybe it all makes sense at the end of the day - I know Kennedy is stupid and doing this because of that - but I don’t think anyone would correct him even those that know better (as your system profits from you being sick and being scared of becoming sick winan_dance)

    Don't mention the frogs - we don't want to scare the toddler - we want him to sleep
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    The primary reason we don’t want to import your food is because they do stuff to it or put stuff in it - that has been medically proven to harm your body - think about that for a second how sick a mentality that is - but they of course also charge you when you do become sick - so maybe it all makes sense at the end of the day - I know Kennedy is stupid and doing this because of that - but I don’t think anyone would correct him even those that know better (as your system profits from you being sick and being scared of becoming sick winan_dance)

     
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    Hehe - I have never seen someone flee a crime scene so fast when someone else in the room faints (and this guy is in charge of your health) :) - this administration you guys have man ! Pure comedy gold - they couldn’t be more incompetent even if they tried

    Don't mention the frogs - we don't want to scare the toddler - we want him to sleep
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    Hehe - I have never seen someone flee a crime scene so fast when someone else in the room faints (and this guy is in charge of your health) :) - this administration you guys have man ! Pure comedy gold - they couldn’t be more incompetent even if they tried

     
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    Btw you are supposed to roll them to lie on the side (when someone faints) - maybe some of you could tell them that - he could easily have choked being put down like that - when you don’t even know what to do with something as miniscule and common as someone fainting - how should you know how to treat something as complex as pandemic virus never seen before 

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    Btw you are supposed to roll them to lie on the side (when someone faints) - maybe some of you could tell them that - he could easily have choked being put down like that - when you don’t even know what to do with something as miniscule and common as someone fainting - how should you know how to treat something as complex as pandemic virus never seen before 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calde13:

    The primary reason we don’t want to import your food is because they do stuff to it or put stuff in it - that has been medically proven to harm your body - think about that for a second how sick a mentality that is - but they of course also charge you when you do become sick - so maybe it all makes sense at the end of the day - I know Kennedy is stupid and doing this because of that - but I don’t think anyone would correct him even those that know better (as your system profits from you being sick and being scared of becoming sick )

    That's just what RFKjr says! 

    https://nypost.com/2025/04/22/us-news/rfk-jr-fda-will-phase-out-8-petroleum-based-dyes-in-food/

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    The primary reason we don’t want to import your food is because they do stuff to it or put stuff in it - that has been medically proven to harm your body - think about that for a second how sick a mentality that is - but they of course also charge you when you do become sick - so maybe it all makes sense at the end of the day - I know Kennedy is stupid and doing this because of that - but I don’t think anyone would correct him even those that know better (as your system profits from you being sick and being scared of becoming sick )

    That's just what RFKjr says! 

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    @UNIMAN I ask that all the time when looking at foods, I say "where in nature does this color exist" and if I cannot rectify it and/or said food doesn't include it, im out. Also pretty funny to call a guy stupid and not like him but then cite what he's fighting for as a primary reason.  Interesting bunch.

     

    I think JFKjr is "stupid" because he deliberately took a dive in a contaminated swamp etc. and here he ran out sight before the guy wasn't even finished fainting - call me old school but if you have any medical knowledge and you see a fellow human feel ill - you help an_cheers- I have no clue what his political stance is - they don't show his speeches over here (thank god)

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    @UNIMAN I ask that all the time when looking at foods, I say "where in nature does this color exist" and if I cannot rectify it and/or said food doesn't include it, im out. Also pretty funny to call a guy stupid and not like him but then cite what he's fighting for as a primary reason.  Interesting bunch.

     

    I think JFKjr is "stupid" because he deliberately took a dive in a contaminated swamp etc. and here he ran out sight before the guy wasn't even finished fainting - call me old school but if you have any medical knowledge and you see a fellow human feel ill - you help an_cheers- I have no clue what his political stance is - they don't show his speeches over here (thank god)

     
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    So many runaway stories, but it has been reported that Jr did not runaway as originally indicated and spoofed all over the place...this is how shit gets so twisted with misleading claims...supporting your narrative an_wink

     

    People on the scene, which none of us were not, reported that that Jr rushed to get medical attention. He allegedly went to get a chair and a wet towel for the person that fainted and then went get medical supplies. Eyewitnesses claim that Jr was the first to react to getting assistance. Yes, he did not rush directly towards the individual who fainted, but there were already many standing around the fainting individual what was one more person going to do? confused

     

    Jr is still an idiot, but stating that he ran out when the person was fainting are loosely interpreting the actual facts and are really just being a douche about it....call Jr out on his other bullshit, but this story is dead news to me based on eyewitness accounts who were present....sleep2

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    So many runaway stories, but it has been reported that Jr did not runaway as originally indicated and spoofed all over the place...this is how shit gets so twisted with misleading claims...supporting your narrative an_wink

     

    People on the scene, which none of us were not, reported that that Jr rushed to get medical attention. He allegedly went to get a chair and a wet towel for the person that fainted and then went get medical supplies. Eyewitnesses claim that Jr was the first to react to getting assistance. Yes, he did not rush directly towards the individual who fainted, but there were already many standing around the fainting individual what was one more person going to do? confused

     

    Jr is still an idiot, but stating that he ran out when the person was fainting are loosely interpreting the actual facts and are really just being a douche about it....call Jr out on his other bullshit, but this story is dead news to me based on eyewitness accounts who were present....sleep2

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ABooksNightmare:

    So many runaway stories, but it has been reported that Jr did not runaway as originally indicated and spoofed all over the place...this is how shit gets so twisted with misleading claims...supporting your narrative    People on the scene, which none of us were not, reported that that Jr rushed to get medical attention. He allegedly went to get a chair and a wet towel for the person that fainted and then went get medical supplies. Eyewitnesses claim that Jr was the first to react to getting assistance. Yes, he did not rush directly towards the individual who fainted, but there were already many standing around the fainting individual what was one more person going to do?    Jr is still an idiot, but stating that he ran out when the person was fainting are loosely interpreting the actual facts and are really just being a douche about it....call Jr out on his other bullshit, but this story is dead news to me based on eyewitness accounts who were present....

     

     

    For starters, he could check if the person was conscious. How you should behave, what help is crucial, and what position to put the person in differ greatly depending on whether they are conscious or not (whether they are breathing or not etc.) - something you couldn't expect an economic "expert" etc. to know shit about. The guy could potentially have a heart attack, for all he knew at that time, in which case a wet towel would be useless. In that case, he might as well shove it up his own ass. If you knew what to do in a medical situation - you stay and help said person and you send other people who have no idea what to do to get a towel and call for help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ABooksNightmare:

    So many runaway stories, but it has been reported that Jr did not runaway as originally indicated and spoofed all over the place...this is how shit gets so twisted with misleading claims...supporting your narrative    People on the scene, which none of us were not, reported that that Jr rushed to get medical attention. He allegedly went to get a chair and a wet towel for the person that fainted and then went get medical supplies. Eyewitnesses claim that Jr was the first to react to getting assistance. Yes, he did not rush directly towards the individual who fainted, but there were already many standing around the fainting individual what was one more person going to do?    Jr is still an idiot, but stating that he ran out when the person was fainting are loosely interpreting the actual facts and are really just being a douche about it....call Jr out on his other bullshit, but this story is dead news to me based on eyewitness accounts who were present....

     

     

    For starters, he could check if the person was conscious. How you should behave, what help is crucial, and what position to put the person in differ greatly depending on whether they are conscious or not (whether they are breathing or not etc.) - something you couldn't expect an economic "expert" etc. to know shit about. The guy could potentially have a heart attack, for all he knew at that time, in which case a wet towel would be useless. In that case, he might as well shove it up his own ass. If you knew what to do in a medical situation - you stay and help said person and you send other people who have no idea what to do to get a towel and call for help.

     
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    Right, that's an argument one could make, but there was immediately 4 staffers around him as he was going to the ground...and you see one of the staffers holding the guys leg up in the air....what was RFK or any one more person going to do to help that situation? 

     

    I mean, no reason to crowd the fainting person with more people in that confined space so it's a bit harsh to say that he should have this or should have that when there were many other people in the room that could have done the same thing you are stating, as well as others, and did not...no one is a medical doctor in there and so instead of being the fifth person hovering over the fainting person he went to get what he thought would help the situation...my point is, he did not flee the scene as many were suggesting and your argument about the person having a heart attack, how would anyone of known that and how would one know to elevate his feet like the one staffer tried doing...

     

    I think people just want to give the guy shit for all the other stupid shit he does, but I see no problem with this in doing what is claimed it is being said he did...it was not like Jr was standing next to the guy and let him collapse and ran away...he wasn't even in the exact vicinity as the guy fainting and probably why he didn't run over to crowd the guy...I do believe that medical experts would tell you not to crowd a fainting person do they not? If so, your claim loses traction right there....four first responded in a confined space and so what was one more going to do if experts tell you not to crowd a person fainting...an_light

     

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    Right, that's an argument one could make, but there was immediately 4 staffers around him as he was going to the ground...and you see one of the staffers holding the guys leg up in the air....what was RFK or any one more person going to do to help that situation? 

     

    I mean, no reason to crowd the fainting person with more people in that confined space so it's a bit harsh to say that he should have this or should have that when there were many other people in the room that could have done the same thing you are stating, as well as others, and did not...no one is a medical doctor in there and so instead of being the fifth person hovering over the fainting person he went to get what he thought would help the situation...my point is, he did not flee the scene as many were suggesting and your argument about the person having a heart attack, how would anyone of known that and how would one know to elevate his feet like the one staffer tried doing...

     

    I think people just want to give the guy shit for all the other stupid shit he does, but I see no problem with this in doing what is claimed it is being said he did...it was not like Jr was standing next to the guy and let him collapse and ran away...he wasn't even in the exact vicinity as the guy fainting and probably why he didn't run over to crowd the guy...I do believe that medical experts would tell you not to crowd a fainting person do they not? If so, your claim loses traction right there....four first responded in a confined space and so what was one more going to do if experts tell you not to crowd a person fainting...an_light

     

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    You can faint for a multitude of reasons, some of which can be life-threatening. The outcome of some causes can be determined by how you react within the first minute or two, sometimes even less, but getting a wet towel is not the primary priority in any of them (and the stuff you say is only important if you faint due to heat). The only situation it would be “ok” for him to leave like that - would be if any of the other people present is more knowledgeable than RFKjr - else he should ask the others to move away from him so he could take over if that would be a concern he had (who do you think would have been blamed if the guy had died ?)

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    You can faint for a multitude of reasons, some of which can be life-threatening. The outcome of some causes can be determined by how you react within the first minute or two, sometimes even less, but getting a wet towel is not the primary priority in any of them (and the stuff you say is only important if you faint due to heat). The only situation it would be “ok” for him to leave like that - would be if any of the other people present is more knowledgeable than RFKjr - else he should ask the others to move away from him so he could take over if that would be a concern he had (who do you think would have been blamed if the guy had died ?)

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ABooksNightmare:

    Right, that's an argument one could make, but there was immediately 4 staffers around him as he was going to the ground...and you see one of the staffers holding the guys leg up in the air....what was RFK or any one more person going to do to help that situation?    I mean, no reason to crowd the fainting person with more people in that confined space so it's a bit harsh to say that he should have this or should have that when there were many other people in the room that could have done the same thing you are stating, as well as others, and did not...no one is a medical doctor in there and so instead of being the fifth person hovering over the fainting person he went to get what he thought would help the situation...my point is, he did not flee the scene as many were suggesting and your argument about the person having a heart attack, how would anyone of known that and how would one know to elevate his feet like the one staffer tried doing...   I think people just want to give the guy shit for all the other stupid shit he does, but I see no problem with this in doing what is claimed it is being said he did...it was not like Jr was standing next to the guy and let him collapse and ran away...he wasn't even in the exact vicinity as the guy fainting and probably why he didn't run over to crowd the guy...I do believe that medical experts would tell you not to crowd a fainting person do they not? If so, your claim loses traction right there....four first responded in a confined space and so what was one more going to do if experts tell you not to crowd a person fainting...   Continue with the hate though

    I just read your entire response now - so JFKjr isn’t medical trained or have any background in medical study or what? Why the fuck do you have him in that position then ? Our guy that is in “his” position is a guy that was a doctor for a billion years and ran 10 hospitals or something like that prior - you could argue they don’t need that knowledge because they have experts telling them what to say anyway - but it does give a lot of authority to know it comes from their own mind and mouth and you can trust what they say ! 

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    Right, that's an argument one could make, but there was immediately 4 staffers around him as he was going to the ground...and you see one of the staffers holding the guys leg up in the air....what was RFK or any one more person going to do to help that situation?    I mean, no reason to crowd the fainting person with more people in that confined space so it's a bit harsh to say that he should have this or should have that when there were many other people in the room that could have done the same thing you are stating, as well as others, and did not...no one is a medical doctor in there and so instead of being the fifth person hovering over the fainting person he went to get what he thought would help the situation...my point is, he did not flee the scene as many were suggesting and your argument about the person having a heart attack, how would anyone of known that and how would one know to elevate his feet like the one staffer tried doing...   I think people just want to give the guy shit for all the other stupid shit he does, but I see no problem with this in doing what is claimed it is being said he did...it was not like Jr was standing next to the guy and let him collapse and ran away...he wasn't even in the exact vicinity as the guy fainting and probably why he didn't run over to crowd the guy...I do believe that medical experts would tell you not to crowd a fainting person do they not? If so, your claim loses traction right there....four first responded in a confined space and so what was one more going to do if experts tell you not to crowd a person fainting...   Continue with the hate though

    I just read your entire response now - so JFKjr isn’t medical trained or have any background in medical study or what? Why the fuck do you have him in that position then ? Our guy that is in “his” position is a guy that was a doctor for a billion years and ran 10 hospitals or something like that prior - you could argue they don’t need that knowledge because they have experts telling them what to say anyway - but it does give a lot of authority to know it comes from their own mind and mouth and you can trust what they say ! 

     
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    Jr is not a doctor nor is he trying to portray one. His position is that of Health and Human Services. That does not require one to be a doctor or know anything about medicine, per se. The position does set policies for medicare and it oversees the CDC and manages responses to public health emergencies. This is the contention towards him in that many believe that the position would be better suited for someone more qualified who holds or understands medicine, but the position is to lead these area which means that he would have to rely on actual doctor's or people in medicine to be able to combat anything medically related. Managing, however, can really be any individual. It helps though when your Manager has done your job and is then instructing subordinates to do their job. It's generally more accepted by their peers if employees know you know versus just being able to manage a team. However, many businesses do not run on this principle alone and many hire who they think can lead a team rather than who may know the most about the area or field in question. That seems to be the case here. 

     

    So, if you were thinking that Jr was some medical expert that would be incorrect, and his position does not require one to be a doctor or even know medicine to hold it. In having said that, no one person is in charge of medicine in the US, but Jr's title does make him the highest ranking official for public health. He would be in charge of the Surgeon General, Food and Drug Administration, CDC, NIH and other medical systems. Jr is overseeing federal health programs, and most think because of this he is under qualified. Depending on how you look at or view the HHS position, will depend on whether he is qualified or not. We all work, and I am sure many wonder how your supervisor or manager got their position when you think you know more than them. It may be true, you may know more than your supervisor or manager, but are you management material just because of that? Your company doesn't think so because to be in management you have to have good judgement, be a critical thinker, know how to enforce policies, build a team, etc......being more knowledgeable doesn't mean you could do or take over you manager's role...In some case you probalby could, but in other cases many may lack the leadership qualities to do so...

     

       

     

     

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    Jr is not a doctor nor is he trying to portray one. His position is that of Health and Human Services. That does not require one to be a doctor or know anything about medicine, per se. The position does set policies for medicare and it oversees the CDC and manages responses to public health emergencies. This is the contention towards him in that many believe that the position would be better suited for someone more qualified who holds or understands medicine, but the position is to lead these area which means that he would have to rely on actual doctor's or people in medicine to be able to combat anything medically related. Managing, however, can really be any individual. It helps though when your Manager has done your job and is then instructing subordinates to do their job. It's generally more accepted by their peers if employees know you know versus just being able to manage a team. However, many businesses do not run on this principle alone and many hire who they think can lead a team rather than who may know the most about the area or field in question. That seems to be the case here. 

     

    So, if you were thinking that Jr was some medical expert that would be incorrect, and his position does not require one to be a doctor or even know medicine to hold it. In having said that, no one person is in charge of medicine in the US, but Jr's title does make him the highest ranking official for public health. He would be in charge of the Surgeon General, Food and Drug Administration, CDC, NIH and other medical systems. Jr is overseeing federal health programs, and most think because of this he is under qualified. Depending on how you look at or view the HHS position, will depend on whether he is qualified or not. We all work, and I am sure many wonder how your supervisor or manager got their position when you think you know more than them. It may be true, you may know more than your supervisor or manager, but are you management material just because of that? Your company doesn't think so because to be in management you have to have good judgement, be a critical thinker, know how to enforce policies, build a team, etc......being more knowledgeable doesn't mean you could do or take over you manager's role...In some case you probalby could, but in other cases many may lack the leadership qualities to do so...

     

       

     

     

     
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    @UNIMAN  "Kennedy versus food dyes"

    Food dyes are generally recognized as safe.  However dyes can be toxic in high doses.  But highly unlikely the average person can reach that level with normal consumption.  No one should follow medical advice from anti-science Kennedy.  Previously, he claims raw milk is safe to drink and has taken heroin for years.

     

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    Food dyes are generally recognized as safe.  However dyes can be toxic in high doses.  But highly unlikely the average person can reach that level with normal consumption.  No one should follow medical advice from anti-science Kennedy.  Previously, he claims raw milk is safe to drink and has taken heroin for years.

     

     
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    Didn't it come out not that long ago that certain dyes were actually considered toxic for potential risks with cancer? I thought I remember hearing that there was a dye that was asked to be pulled or you had to putting out a warning label if you were going to keep it in the food....I know you are saying generally, but the fact that there were dyes that were exposed as actually being toxic doesn't really jive with the first couple of sentences...

     

    Not following medical advice from Kennedy is a true statement...he is not a doctor nor has he practiced medicine so that would be like taking advice from the last place kid in your fantasy football league....what I am concerned with is can he put in place and lead a team that knows what they are doing...he won't have a personal and professional medical opinion to rely on, so he will need others to guide him who will be best...it might be time to update the ol job description to include certain requirements if that is everyone's concerns, but currently the requirements seem to fall short for most and would rather someone in this capacity have a greater knowledge in the field itself....just not sure this is currently the criteria, but if we saw or had a job description, like they do in most businesses, then we would be able to better gauge if one fits the position...

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    Didn't it come out not that long ago that certain dyes were actually considered toxic for potential risks with cancer? I thought I remember hearing that there was a dye that was asked to be pulled or you had to putting out a warning label if you were going to keep it in the food....I know you are saying generally, but the fact that there were dyes that were exposed as actually being toxic doesn't really jive with the first couple of sentences...

     

    Not following medical advice from Kennedy is a true statement...he is not a doctor nor has he practiced medicine so that would be like taking advice from the last place kid in your fantasy football league....what I am concerned with is can he put in place and lead a team that knows what they are doing...he won't have a personal and professional medical opinion to rely on, so he will need others to guide him who will be best...it might be time to update the ol job description to include certain requirements if that is everyone's concerns, but currently the requirements seem to fall short for most and would rather someone in this capacity have a greater knowledge in the field itself....just not sure this is currently the criteria, but if we saw or had a job description, like they do in most businesses, then we would be able to better gauge if one fits the position...

     
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    Sorry but the guy with the half eaten brain by a worm, aka drug addict is indeed making health decisions for 350 million people. All the doctors and scientists that have been working for years have left the agency do to not wanting to go along with rfk says. Rfk is keeping people who will just be yes men. Some of the best doctors and scientists have left the agency, now we got the D TEAM in there.

    People continue to blame vaccines for everything in their lives, not even realizing and understanding without vaccines none of us would even be alive today.  I said it before and will say it again, I have a large family, during covid every family member got the shot except my Brother. Every family member is still alive today, only one that died was My Brother. an_light  What people fail to understand about the covid vaccines was the fact that the entire world was working on the vaccine, not just 1 drug company. Also scientists have computers today that do billions of calculations a second, plus they have been working on this for years anyways. Drug companies dont want to kill people with vaccines, then who will they sell their drugs to?  Like i always say now to people, get the shot, dont get the shot. Doesnt matter to me.

    But if anybody is relying on RFK to improve your health, my advice is make out your will and get a bigger insurance policy for your loved ones.

    And please stop listening to the doctors fox news(aka the company that is registered as an entertainment company, not news company) brings on the air, all quacks just like RFK

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    Sorry but the guy with the half eaten brain by a worm, aka drug addict is indeed making health decisions for 350 million people. All the doctors and scientists that have been working for years have left the agency do to not wanting to go along with rfk says. Rfk is keeping people who will just be yes men. Some of the best doctors and scientists have left the agency, now we got the D TEAM in there.

    People continue to blame vaccines for everything in their lives, not even realizing and understanding without vaccines none of us would even be alive today.  I said it before and will say it again, I have a large family, during covid every family member got the shot except my Brother. Every family member is still alive today, only one that died was My Brother. an_light  What people fail to understand about the covid vaccines was the fact that the entire world was working on the vaccine, not just 1 drug company. Also scientists have computers today that do billions of calculations a second, plus they have been working on this for years anyways. Drug companies dont want to kill people with vaccines, then who will they sell their drugs to?  Like i always say now to people, get the shot, dont get the shot. Doesnt matter to me.

    But if anybody is relying on RFK to improve your health, my advice is make out your will and get a bigger insurance policy for your loved ones.

    And please stop listening to the doctors fox news(aka the company that is registered as an entertainment company, not news company) brings on the air, all quacks just like RFK

     
     
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