Looks like project 2025 cancer spreading!

The project 2025 blueprint frames media access as a privilege rather than a right, advocating for tighter limits on the White House campus. Its proposal included removing limits on administrative retaliation and investigating media organizations…….So much for what Thomas Jefferson famously stated in a Letter to James Madison that "the only security of all is in a free press."

I'm curious with all the bull shit here, Trump keeps saying he banned the journalists because of "fake news", I want examples of so called news. I bet he doesn't have a single one. There may be a lot of negative coverage when it comes to Trump but the majority of it is true……This could come at a better time…November will have consequences…Enjoy them they be worth the wait…Hopefully Trump puts another Hail Mary overthrow afterwords again as jail for life will await him! ….Project 2025 will be studied for years to come as has the AIDS virus!

@joe pockets

 You are correct about Jefferson's sentiment about the freedom of the press in his letter to Madison.  

However, I am pretty sure that exact quote was not in that letter to Madison but in a decades later letter to the Marquis de Lafayette.

But Jefferson initially protested because the Constitution did not specifically have a bill of rights protecting freedom of the press.

The overall issues is that the FA does protect freedom of the press.

But it does NOT give every journalist access to the White House.  Presidents can impose legitimate limitations because of capacity, etc.

The legal issue is whether he can do it because of their viewpoint of their reporting.

I am not familiar with exactly what recommendation leads to the claim about removing limits about retaliation.  I would have to see that identified.

Certainly reporting has grown more divisive.  You can go online to any news source and just read the headlines from various ones and see how they constantly are anti-Trump or pro-Trump; rarely is there just reporting the news nowadays.  So, the logical conclusion is to try to limit someone that you feel is agitating or misleading what you say or do on purpose.  Whether you should do it in a blanket way or even say why you are doing it is a whole other discussion.

Of course, he has examples.  The AP restriction after they refused to starting Gulf of America would be one of his examples.

He is always citing examples of his 'perceived' restrictions are there going back to him banning certain ones form the his first Cabinet meeting, while allowing others in.

You can argue it is a bad and petty look for him to do it but he thinks he has legitimate examples to use to do it.

Saying the majority of negative news coverage is true would have to be substantiated.  That is an assertion and not evidence.  You would have to decide what constitutes 'negative' coverage, what news outlets, what constitutes 'true', what time period, etc.

November having consequences is speculation and rhetoric at this point.

To be fair I have not read the P2025 stuff, so I will defer to you being an expert on it.

But I am not sure what the analogy about AIDS even means in that context.

But I agree with you that it is a bad look for him to do this even if it is true that all they do is present what he says in a negative manner. 

Yeah we get your approach, find a technicality where Trump CAN do something or why he should be allowed to or how divided the media is, thats just more shade for your dood. I know it is always that Trump has it the worst ever and never has anyone suffered as much as he has blah blah blah what a bunch of crying stupidity its just a boring pathetic commentary from Trump and anyone who tries to cover for him.

I would say more than ANY president Obama had to engage with the most racist, disgusting media being he was the first and only to serve as a man of color and all of us even the GOP palsies know what many news outlets did to try and minimize him with classless really lousy attacks. Obama did not threaten a BILLION dollar lawsuit or to block a merger unless they bowed to him, Obama did not use media at the time to throw down daily on those he disagreed with and never would have done even a small percentage of destruction to society that Trump has and does every single day. I dont seem to recall Obama insulting women or war vets or really anyone at all. Trump is the worst example of existence you can find, he cannot be better than people who disagree with him he cannot stand the moral high ground he has to weaponize his cabinet, the supreme court, the legal system as his only means of coping with his pathetic little self image.

Poor Trump, it must be so difficult being picked on so much, it might help if he wasnt a grifting fascist little child and TRIED to act like a leader of more than his toxic family and his bank account.

Nonsense.  

Mainstream media were actually very careful about how they critiqued his polices to be sure it was not from a racist bent.

"In fact, the large Pew study of 67,000+ mainstream news stories found that only 9% of coverage of the Obama administration during his first year contained a race-related theme, and those stories were largely triggered by particular racial controversies rather than by routine coverage of Obama's policies."

and

"And there's evidence pointing the other direction: Pew's analysis of mainstream coverage found that Obama's coverage was not unusually negative relative to his opponents in the 2008 campaign, and in 2012 Obama's negative/positive coverage gap was actually smaller than Romney's."

You would be hard pressed to find concrete examples of the exact media we are talking about doing what you are claiming.

No one is COVERING for the DUDE.  I agreed with @Joe pockets that it is a bad look and seems petty.

I was mainly just pointing out the distinctions in the two letters and the differences between what is allowed and what seems like retribution.

But your obsession with Trump and your TDS took you down the wrong path again.

To make it very simple: list the examples of Obama or Biden doing the same thing and then differentiate them.

LOL

I love your wipe away lead...NONSENSE...okie dokie Raiders said NONSENSE thus Trump isnt doing every single thing I referenced because Raiders said NONSENSE.

Yay....

First off I didnt mention Biden I mentioned Obama as to the MEDIA, there are no examples of them doing the same thing because they DIDNT ACT LIKE a petulant child.

So Obama did not have to face the issues of his race and citizenship and nationality and his family history all of that stuff because Raiders said NONSENSE.

Man you are just either out to lunch or so partisan that your memory has failed you.

Trump is the topic, he has done every single thing I referenced and more, there is more. I love it how you throw down the GIVE ME EXAMPLES and differentiate them....love that.

There are none, nobody else has acted like a childish fascist grifter like your dood.

@wallstreetcappers

 First off I didnt mention Biden I mentioned Obama as to the MEDIA, there are no examples of them doing the same thing because they DIDNT ACT LIKE a petulant child.

Of course there are.  Do your homework.

Then list them and differentiate them.

You are already like 0 for your last 7 or 8.  Do not be 0 for 9.

@wallstreetcappers

 So Obama did not have to face the issues of his race and citizenship and nationality and his family history all of that stuff because Raiders said NONSENSE.

Focus man. 

We are talking about mainstream media and the answer is RACE. Especially about his policies. NOT citizenship -- that is a separate issue and has nothing to dow with RACE.

You brought up RACE -- now either back it up or retract it.

AS I gave you direct quotes about how circumspect the mainstream media was with your hero about NOT being racist towards him.

@wallstreetcappers

 Trump is the topic,

So, why bring up Obama?

If you do it to compare them-- then compare them equally by what they both did.  The you can include, to a smaller extent Biden doing it.

So, if a precedent has been set how far can it be taken and is it okay or not?

@wallstreetcappers

 There are none, nobody else has acted like a childish fascist grifter like your dood.

He is YOUR DOOD.  

  He is all you think about.

He is not my DUDE.  

Maybe explain what you think the definition of 'fascist' is also.

@Raiders22

 Cool now you are keeping track of your own lie stats to try and discredit me, well that is par for you here and right in character. There are no examples pal, Trump is the only child here who has done what the OP mentioned what the MEDIA has mentioned (even his own conservatives mention) there are no examples or correlating or making an experts spreadsheet to satisfy your condescending approach.

Instead of saying NONSENSE and 0-7 and dictating what other people have to say, why not address the issues the OP mentioned, that I mentioned that the media mention instead of this song and dance Scott Jennings routine. Just try to not placate the child and hold him accountable...you know that term he refuses to consider and will instead weaponize his cabinet, his lawyers, the stacked supreme court...yeah you are doing the same.

You can stop with the low level insults, you should try to discuss topic and not be immature like that.

@Raiders22

 Yes I must have TDS because I dislike a dictator who insults women who bullies the media and anyone who questions him, yup sounds like a complex I have, you nailed it.

The  topic is the MEDIA as per the subject from the OP, he called out Trump and you tried and failed to rescue Trump with the Scott Jennings WELLLLLLLLL approach which is a winning approach and I said if ANY president had been attacked from the media it was Obama, then I said how the attacks were made...why are you nit picking RACE is it your way of saying it didnt happen? That Obama did not face the issues I mentioned and that your dood has it the worst ever that nobody per Trump has faced such unprofessional conduct that nobody has been treated so badly.

Poor baby Trump...cant use his childish intimidation on Caitlin so he  has to banish CNN to the street...lol what a baby.

@wallstreetcappers

 There are no examples pal

Either list them and differentiate them or give up. 

Make up an imaginary research topic which does not exist, get called out on this absurdity and then say either list them or give up.

If something does not exist Raiders there cannot be a list or a term paper or pocket experts. I cannot generate data which does not exist nor would I bow to you with your Trumpesque condescending throw down.

Bully tactics are so poor do you have any other actual content related approach or no because if not why keep parroting the same inane request that does not exist?

Your first paragraph sums it up very well, and  Project 2025’s viewpoint is based on an incorrect premise. 

Decades of ConLaw have shown us that the government cannot create a limited public forum (Trump’s WH briefings and Q&As) and engage in viewpoint discrimination (excluding orgs he doesn’t like because he doesn’t like what they said).

His remedy in this scenario is suing for defamation. Has he sued them for defamation? Of course not, because that would lead him to form a sound legal theory of how he was defamed, which he has failed to do to date. 

Everything else is irrelevant. Trump even helped his opponents by carefully explaining that he didn’t like what they were reporting. 

Expect him to lose in the short term and long term on this one.

@wallstreetcappers

Instead of saying NONSENSE and 0-7 and dictating what other people have to say, why not address the issues the OP mentioned

Don’t ‘dictate’ how I should reply. 

I replied to @joe pockets and addressed what he wrote.

He can come in here and ask for clarification if he thinks I did not address something or was wrong about what he wrote.

Either pay attention or go back and read it again instead of going off on tangents.  If you have questions about what I wrote — ask about that instead or wandering all over the place about your hero Obama.

@wallstreetcappers

 Make up an imaginary research topic which does not exist, 

Where did you look?

Yes but only within the authority the office actually holds. Capacity is a legitimate reason for a limit, though it doesn't create power on its own …The ban on coverage that’s not to his liking isn’t!

@Raiders22

Just look to the  Silver Bulletin's tracker it shows a new all-time low in his net approval today, at about -22, and a Reuters/Ipsos poll completed September 20 put his approval at 32%, the lowest of his career, with only 17% approving of his handling of the cost of living. Averages vary by pollster, roughly 35% to 40%, but they all point the same direction. So all the stories about his weak standing or public frustration over prices would be accurate, and calling it negative wouldn't make it biased. The President would not be the President if there were an election tomorrow! And it be by vastly more than the 2% he won by! …If you can’t take the heat you need a to get out of the kitchen!

https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-approval-ratings-nate-silver-bulletin

@joe pockets

 I think he realizes that but knows he is in a sense a lame duck and the approval rating is no longer something he cares about.  
At this point he just has to do what he thinks is best for the country longterm and let history judge whether it worked or not.  

I think most folks that wanted him elected for their top two or three reasons are somewhat happy.  Illegal immigration is down, crime is down, inflation is down and the economy is showing signs of growing.  

But you are correct that his antics are off putting to a lot of folks.  A lot more are unhappy with the Iran situation.  Again, I think it is poor messaging and he has let the Media do the messaging and that is a grave error for the midterms.  

Says the most dictatorial poster in this forum...nobody but you dictates how someone has to reply how they have to follow your terms in order to be valid or have a conversation.

It was not fun was it to be TOLD how to interact, take your own medicine and do better buddy.

@wallstreetcappers

 Says the most dictatorial poster in this forum

No sir that is you and I am just quoting you.  You are always 'dictating' how folks reply and on what.

I never tell someone how to interact.  So, not my medicine .

I only ask that they be clear and concise when asked for clarification on something they said.

@wallstreetcappers

 Now have you done your research yet or are you just going to ignore the comparison after you brought Obama up?

Inflation isn’t down. The economy isn’t doing better.

The Fed just raised rates for a reason, and that’s to offset inflation. A second rate hike is going to happen.

I’m used to this poster telling bald-faced lies and trying to dictate how the conversation should go. He’s the same liar who told me my taxes didn’t go up after the 2017 Trump tax scam.

Just because he likes to lie didn’t make my tax bill any lower. 

Why does he lie? He can’t win these arguments on the merits. 

Trump can’t create a limited public forum and engage in viewpoint discrimination. Inflation is up. Trump and the GOP did indeed give me and millions of others the tax hike of a lifetime. The economy isn’t doing well, and that’s with Trumpy’s BLS stats. 

I wish he was telling the truth, as in I wish inflation was going down, I wish Trumpy didn’t hike my taxes, and I wish the economy was doing well. But lying about basic facts doesn’t make them true, no matter how badly you try to reframe things to suit your own blatant political bias and hypocrisy. 

Of course inflation is down from Biden's decades high.

I said your Federal income tax on wages did not go up and it did not.

You wanted to bellyache on the SALT breaks.

If you think the numbers on the economy are wrong -- take it up with the BLS, etc.

The numbers are what they are.

@Raiders22

 You correlate when it serves you and reverse when it serves you. The inflation you fault Biden for came from what cause? Did Biden start a putrid war and was Biden responsible for the closure of the Strait? Did Biden instigate idiotic tariffs which were reversed but the consumer still got the bill for the tariff? Why did inflation happen for a short period under Biden? Why are we experiencing heavy inflation right now TODAY under Trump?

Which data set are you referencing from the BLS that you consider numbers that are CORRECT? Is it the first data report or the second, the third, the fourth, the fifth or the sixth? Do you like the data which is massively flawed and immaterial when it looks good for Trump or when it looks like a big pile of crap for Trump?

You did exactly what the OP mentioned regarding the disgusting tax throw up Trump was responsible for, I famously stated my taxes have been up but you did the exact thing to me that you did to this poster...you are in a sense calling others a liar for saying their taxes were and are higher AND you then act like a jerk when he mentions the SALT deduction, do you think that insulting and belittling someone means the issue and topic does not exist? Many people were bit from the SALT being almost eliminated there are HOLES in this scheme that some were worse off....I am one of those. You cannot just insult people when they state from their experience your assertion is flawed.