Lets give those poor corporations a Christmas gift

tom,

That makes no sense.

So if you run a business you dont pay taxes? That is absurd.

If you want hands off then that means the corporations have no government handouts/subsidies, there are no barriers of entry to foreign imports. It also means that if you export production and jobs  you are not a domestic corporation.

You cannot apply standards without it being done universally, the good and the bad.

Businesses exist because of the government, they abuse the government, they control the government, they cheat the government, they try to mislead and misrepresent the consumer and the government.

So the conversation goes one way, you ask and I answer? Nope..not how it works.

Ive stated my views on "free markets" 50 times in the past, you know how I feel. You on the other hand seem unable to muster more than the above and refuse to actually back up your INITIAL comments.

You made the comment, why do we not have free markets rooster?

It isnt a tough answer, I know you can do it.

Businesses exist because of the government?  Really?  I thought they existed to make a product and sell it to one who needs said product.  Crazy me....

*On a quick side note -

Wall -

Thanks for the heads-up with the RO system water purifiers!  Going to get one this weekend.

 

Get it off ebay, you cannot find a 5 stage in places like Loews and HD for anywhere near a price like that if at all.

I think this is the one I last installed-

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The government makes barriers to foreign entry, the government facilitates trade between countries. The government GIVES corporations special treatment, grants and tax breaks. The government should regulate much better..that would be a welcome sight.

 

Regulate better, Hmmm.

How about someone to regulate the regulators.

Then how long until we need someone to regulate those regulators?

OR...

We allow business to take place between buyers and sellers and the buyers weed out the "bad" sellers and so on...You know the only economic model that works.

come on buddy you are looking very silly

you didnt answer a thing

you blaimed the free markets and refused to back up your claim

Tom,

That model does not work, it never has worked. You are reading out of a textbook, not in a live market scenario of ANY scope.

Greed tom, you have heard of it right?

You say less regulation, I say more. Regulators have no power or control because they are not the same size as the company, they are not in real time and there is no transparency. Why is it that businesses do not regulate themselves? Because they cannot. Businesses profit off consumers and competitors not having full information, the less consumers, regulators, competitors know the more profits they make.

You cannot be that blinded can you? The KEY component of your supply and demand equilibrium equation is that both buyer and seller have FULL information, complete disclosure..no hiding, cheating, disguising.

It's borderline "TREASON " how these Corporations operate !

SEAL those loopholes !

WSC

Businesses (ones that stay in business anyway) are regulated by their customers. Do you eat at bad restaurants? Do you have your oil changed by the most expensive/least competetent mechanic in Arizona? Does Ray Charles cut your hair? Obviously not. It is, however, interesting to note that each of these businesses is regulated by various governmental agencies. These regulations, while costing you the consumer more, have zero effect on either your satisfaction with and/or continued patronage of said business. Likewise these regulations do not assure the business owner a successful enterprise...as these burdensome regulations also apply to all the shitty resturants, clumsy mechanics, and blind barbers that litter the world of failed businesses.

I'll repeat my question, "who will regulate the regulators?" and if the answer is more regulators who will regulate them? and so on ... ad-infinitum

tom,

To answer you..YES consumers eat at bad restaurants, they do it every single day. What chain is the largest out there? Their food is 90% garbage. People are sold on fast and cheap, the average low earner who eats at that place do not have the means to choose better, they cannot afford better food..they dont have time to shop and prepare for meals since most families now have two workers.

Oil change companies feast on uneducated customers, they profit off taking advantage of consumers..they mislead, misguide and try to gain excess profits off what they know and what others do not know.

I went in a few months ago to Firestone for an oil change and a tire flat repair..well what do you know they couldnt repair the flat because miraculously there was a side wall nail in addition to the flat being there (funny it wasnt there before I went in) they tried to up sell me on a full balancing even though I only had one tire that now had to be replaced..they tried to sell me a 30 buck air filter when i do it myself. And funny how when the next time I went to replace the filter it was tightened so much that I didnt have tools strong enough to open it and I had to actually crack one side to get it open (I had replaced it before several times, no problems then).

You are mistaken as to how businesses operate, they do not openly disclose what they know and what you dont know..why did it take over a century before companies listed ingredients on their product labels? Why did corporations use toxic hydrogenated oils or even worse to fry food? Why do corporations still use HFCS as as sweetener when it is a chemically derived, destructive sweetener? Why are they trying now to change the name from HFCS to "Corn Sugar"?

Why does Monsanto genetically engineer seed and go about destroying farms who do not use their product? And the same company also creates the weed and insect killer on the same products?

There is plenty of reason we need more regulation and not less, corporations have employees and groups who find ways to manipulate law and code so they can take advantage of whatever they can.Why do they intentionally and knowingly break laws, knowing that the odds they get caught and the cost of being caught is less than the profits they make in the process?

Free markets are a farce Tom..corporations are not our friend, the supply and demand function has always been flawed and the consumer has no chance at surviving, business always has more information and hides what they know so they can maximize profits.

The government should regulate much better..but as Tikitom asked who will regulate the regulators ?

US Department of the Interior put out a report last month on the Deepwater Horizon oil spill ..besides the oil company's failures it pointed to regulatory failures..

The report points the finger at the federal regulatory agency, which lacked a formal training and certification programme for its well inspectors. Nor did the agency certify blowout preventers, but instead allowed companies like BP to certify the equipment themselves.....the fox guarding the hen house,,

More regulations and more regulators can not cure complicity..nor compete with Big company's power over Gov.regulators.

Big company's have too much money and are too technically informed for the Government to regulate.. imo

They will always find the loop holes.

The way I see it is Government can not plug all these holes ..it can only impose HUGH fines after the fact...as a deterrent.

The ol' quick lube conspiracy


. People are sold on fast and cheap, the average low earner who eats at that place do not have the means to choose better, they cannot afford better food..they dont have time to shop and prepare for meals since most families now have two workers.

question, where did you get this information, that all those other people that can't find the time to stop by the grocer/market and whip up a quick meal, and are too (ignorant?) to know better?

 

Like all good libs he is smarter than the rest of us. We need not fear. They will see to it that the world is fair () for us dum-dums.

The article states that  "Killer B" is a maneuver named for section 368 (a)(1)(B) of the Internal Revenue Code.

I wonder if our very own COVERS member Killer_B approves of that tactic ?

One more thing.

Croutons and windex?

Run out of intelligent responses?

Years ago!

What i find truly amazing about this thread and other threads in general that talk about large corporations.  Why so many people on this site defend these corporations who are basically moving all the jobs overseas little by little, until there will be nothing but skelton crews working here in our country. They have their products made for slave labor wages, then turn around and bring those products back here and still charge thru the roof for their products, while paying no taxes doing this.  Down the road when your kids and their kids cant find jobs in our country, you can all look back at how these corporations truly destroyed our country. You would think the mom and pop stores you guys would be defending, not these hundreds of billion dollar corporations.  Seriously do you guys like paying taxes, while almost every corporation out there pays nothing?  Do you feel good and sleep better knowing that a company like exxon makes 50 billion a year in profits and pays no taxes?  Please dont say that if they have to pay taxes then they will push it onto the consumer.  Sure they can try to push the taxes they pay back onto the consumer, can simply push back and not buy their product anymore, thus causing these corporations to lower prices and make a little less profit.

No company that has its operations in the U.S.A. should be able to move jobs overseas to have their products made, then bring them back here to profit without paying taxes. Cant some of you see that they are really just using all of us and the country as their own personal litter box.

What all these companies fail to grasp because their greed is over taking their brains right now is the fact that without the lower and middle classes to buy their products, they wouldnt be rich to begin with. So the more jobs they keep sending overseas, the less people there will be to buy their products. Someday in the future companies are gonna wake up and realize that it really is better to provide jobs here in our country, so in turn all those people buy their products, because if they dont realize this, the well is gonna run dry soon.

Everybody in the country needs to start going back to the mom and pop stores again, and send a message to these evil corporations that if you dont want to provide jobs here, then stick your products up your ass.

I know some of you like to make this stuff a democrat-republican thing, but it really isnt. This is a people thing, no matter what party you belong to.

Just know this guys and probably none of us will see it in our lifetimes, but our country is going backwards and at some point we really could become a type of third world nation as crazy as that may sound. The most important thing that keeps our country functioning is jobs and if the jobs arent here because corporations want bigger profit margins, then were all gonna be screwed.

Awesome original post.

I read the labels and am happy that the meat industry will begin to package nutritional info on the meats (at the cost of half a penny per package).

nice thread.

I always love it when unfunny people use attempts at humor to hide their ignorance

Tiki

Cd,  there are a few issues at play here.

-One of regulation, and how you have to have a license to be a florist in our country (in my opinion ridiculous).  Regualtions in this country are made to benefit someone, and if you think that it is the consumer in every case, you are kidding yourself.

-The tax code is a joke, it is set up so that the rich can find loopholes.  This is a great example of why we need to rethink the income tax. 

- Companies that move jobs overseas are doing this country a great disservice.  They do so to reduce cost of labor, and avoid taxation.  The solution is not more costs or taxation to do business in this country.  I wonder what the result of a moratorium on payroll taxes would be.  More or less jobs.

Canada is cutting its corporate-tax rate to 16.5% on Jan. 1 making the country one of the most cost-effective places to do business in the developed world....

In 2012, Canada plans to cut its corporate taxes further, to 15%, bringing combined provincial and federal taxes to about 25%, from a combined average of 42.6% in 2000. ..WSJ