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    Kansas Republicans’ Attempt To Set $25 ATM Limit For Poor Backfires; May Cost State $100 Million

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    Posted: May. 18, 2015 - 9:55 PM ET #1

    https://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/05/17/kansas-republicans-attempt-to-set-25-atm-limit-for-poor-backfires-may-cost-state-100-million/


    Author: Jameson Parker May 17, 2015 4:30 pm


    The state of Kansas is once again facing an astounding loss of money thanks to its Republican leadership. Having already endured a billion dollar boondoggle at the hands of Republican Governor Sam Brownback and his delusional plan to slash taxes to the point that the state couldn’t even afford to keep schools open for the entire school year, the state may now have to brace for a loss of another $100 million due to a first-of-its-kind plan to screw the poor so severe that it’s actually breaking federal law.

    Brownback and his enablers in the state legislature have a contempt for the poor that borders on fanaticism. In Brownback’s zeal to jump on the bandwagon of Republican states across the country which have gone after welfare recipients with a series of demeaning and nonsensical food stamp restriction laws, Kansas Republicans passed a law that would prevent welfare recipients from withdrawing more than $25 a day from an ATM.

    As if that wasn’t degrading enough, the bill also banned welfare money being used to attend concerts, get tattoos, or buy lingerie. The premise was built on the myth that food stamp recipients have it too good and will simply continue mooching unless people like Brownback make their lives miserable. It’s a role he played with glee. (If you’re wondering, the most a family of four can receive in cash assistance per month in Kansas is $497 – not exactly the kind of money that inspires envy.)

    The law was striking in its audacity. The contempt for the poor had bubbled over and was out in the open for everyone to see. It served no purpose other than to inconvenience and burden the poorest Kansans.

    Unsurprisingly, the controversial law caught the eye of poverty and human rights groups who condemned it as a thinly-veiled tax on poor people. As Al Jazeera America explained back in April:

    The limit will significantly harm welfare recipients’ spending patterns, according to Elizabeth Lower-Basch, director at Center for Law and Social Policy (CLASP), an advocacy group for low-income people.

    “It’s really disconnected from the reality of people’s lives. The single biggest expense that people have is rent,” said Lower-Basch, adding that a $25 limit would likely result in multiple trips to an ATM until the total amount of rent money is withdrawn. “They’re just going to have to go every day to get their rent money.”

    “Also,” she added, “No ATM gives you a $25 bill, so the real limit is $20. “It’s a mess.”

    It’s also a violation of federal law. According to McClatchy DC, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services is investigating whether the law can even stand. In the federal Social Security Act there is a requirement that all welfare recipients have “adequate access” to their benefits and “access to using or withdrawing assistance with minimal fees or charges.” Requiring poor people to pay five dollars every time they want to take out $20 seems like an obvious violation.

    Let’s call it what it is: A crime. An act of organized harassment perpetuated by the state of Kansas against its poorest citizens. As such, it places Kansas in the position of losing millions in federal funding if it insists on keeping this law. If the HHS concludes that Kansas is, in fact, violating the rights of its citizens, then it will lose $102 million in TANF block grant funds.

    However, as is painfully predictable in America today, the forfeiture of federal money would most likely hurt the poor the most, because – as we well know – Kansas is essentially bankrupt and would likely have no way to offset the losses in federal welfare money on its own. Even worse, Brownback has such a well-known disdain for the poor that he likely wouldn’t care enough to help even if he could. He’d probably welcome less welfare money. After all, he’s got tax cuts for businesses to work on.

    Once again, we’re left with that acidic-tasting question in our mouths: What’s the matter with Kansas? How bad does it need to get before the citizens throw Brownback and his henchmen in the legislature out? How many millions, billions, or trillions of dollars blown on failed conservative experiments is too much wasted?

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    Author: Jameson Parker May 17, 2015 4:30 pm


    The state of Kansas is once again facing an astounding loss of money thanks to its Republican leadership. Having already endured a billion dollar boondoggle at the hands of Republican Governor Sam Brownback and his delusional plan to slash taxes to the point that the state couldn’t even afford to keep schools open for the entire school year, the state may now have to brace for a loss of another $100 million due to a first-of-its-kind plan to screw the poor so severe that it’s actually breaking federal law.

    Brownback and his enablers in the state legislature have a contempt for the poor that borders on fanaticism. In Brownback’s zeal to jump on the bandwagon of Republican states across the country which have gone after welfare recipients with a series of demeaning and nonsensical food stamp restriction laws, Kansas Republicans passed a law that would prevent welfare recipients from withdrawing more than $25 a day from an ATM.

    As if that wasn’t degrading enough, the bill also banned welfare money being used to attend concerts, get tattoos, or buy lingerie. The premise was built on the myth that food stamp recipients have it too good and will simply continue mooching unless people like Brownback make their lives miserable. It’s a role he played with glee. (If you’re wondering, the most a family of four can receive in cash assistance per month in Kansas is $497 – not exactly the kind of money that inspires envy.)

    The law was striking in its audacity. The contempt for the poor had bubbled over and was out in the open for everyone to see. It served no purpose other than to inconvenience and burden the poorest Kansans.

    Unsurprisingly, the controversial law caught the eye of poverty and human rights groups who condemned it as a thinly-veiled tax on poor people. As Al Jazeera America explained back in April:

    The limit will significantly harm welfare recipients’ spending patterns, according to Elizabeth Lower-Basch, director at Center for Law and Social Policy (CLASP), an advocacy group for low-income people.

    “It’s really disconnected from the reality of people’s lives. The single biggest expense that people have is rent,” said Lower-Basch, adding that a $25 limit would likely result in multiple trips to an ATM until the total amount of rent money is withdrawn. “They’re just going to have to go every day to get their rent money.”

    “Also,” she added, “No ATM gives you a $25 bill, so the real limit is $20. “It’s a mess.”

    It’s also a violation of federal law. According to McClatchy DC, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services is investigating whether the law can even stand. In the federal Social Security Act there is a requirement that all welfare recipients have “adequate access” to their benefits and “access to using or withdrawing assistance with minimal fees or charges.” Requiring poor people to pay five dollars every time they want to take out $20 seems like an obvious violation.

    Let’s call it what it is: A crime. An act of organized harassment perpetuated by the state of Kansas against its poorest citizens. As such, it places Kansas in the position of losing millions in federal funding if it insists on keeping this law. If the HHS concludes that Kansas is, in fact, violating the rights of its citizens, then it will lose $102 million in TANF block grant funds.

    However, as is painfully predictable in America today, the forfeiture of federal money would most likely hurt the poor the most, because – as we well know – Kansas is essentially bankrupt and would likely have no way to offset the losses in federal welfare money on its own. Even worse, Brownback has such a well-known disdain for the poor that he likely wouldn’t care enough to help even if he could. He’d probably welcome less welfare money. After all, he’s got tax cuts for businesses to work on.

    Once again, we’re left with that acidic-tasting question in our mouths: What’s the matter with Kansas? How bad does it need to get before the citizens throw Brownback and his henchmen in the legislature out? How many millions, billions, or trillions of dollars blown on failed conservative experiments is too much wasted?

     
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    Posted: May. 18, 2015 - 10:05 PM ET #2

    Majority of welfare recipients in Kansas are poor whites who vote Republicans

    Republican Govenor Brownback has managed to tank Kansas economy by creating  revenue shortfall due to tax cuts for the rich.

    Tax cuts did not help Kansas credit rating ( several downgrades)
    Now Governor Brownback is setting the cash limit for welfare recipeient to 25 dollars per day .

    Kansas bank machines do not dispense 5 dollars bills nor do they dispense 25 dollars bills

    Welfare recipients can only withdraw 20 dollars

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    Majority of welfare recipients in Kansas are poor whites who vote Republicans

    Republican Govenor Brownback has managed to tank Kansas economy by creating  revenue shortfall due to tax cuts for the rich.

    Tax cuts did not help Kansas credit rating ( several downgrades)
    Now Governor Brownback is setting the cash limit for welfare recipeient to 25 dollars per day .

    Kansas bank machines do not dispense 5 dollars bills nor do they dispense 25 dollars bills

    Welfare recipients can only withdraw 20 dollars

     
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    Posted: May. 18, 2015 - 10:29 PM ET #3

    Well some of what they passed makes sense to me.

    Why should welfare funds be used for tattoos lingerie or concerts?

    I dont see how setting restrictions on what welfare money can be spent for is a bad thing, but I also support food stamp restrictions to core food items with specific health benefit..not soda or junk food or garbage.

    If people want to get tattoos or go to the movies or buy crap food, get a job and buy it with money you earned..not from welfare.
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    Well some of what they passed makes sense to me.

    Why should welfare funds be used for tattoos lingerie or concerts?

    I dont see how setting restrictions on what welfare money can be spent for is a bad thing, but I also support food stamp restrictions to core food items with specific health benefit..not soda or junk food or garbage.

    If people want to get tattoos or go to the movies or buy crap food, get a job and buy it with money you earned..not from welfare.
     
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    Posted: May. 18, 2015 - 10:32 PM ET #4

    Slight and friendly correction. "Majority of welfare recipients in AMERICA" are white and vote republican. Fact not opinion!!!
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    Posted: May. 18, 2015 - 10:35 PM ET #5

    25 dollars bank limit is a bad idea.

    some  of the welfare money will go to bank fees

    don't give them money at all. Some of the welfare money can be sent to their  landlords
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    25 dollars bank limit is a bad idea.

    some  of the welfare money will go to bank fees

    don't give them money at all. Some of the welfare money can be sent to their  landlords
     
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    Posted: May. 18, 2015 - 10:35 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by mattbrot:

    Slight and friendly correction. "Majority of welfare recipients in AMERICA" are white and vote republican. Fact not opinion!!!



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    Slight and friendly correction. "Majority of welfare recipients in AMERICA" are white and vote republican. Fact not opinion!!!



     
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    Posted: May. 18, 2015 - 11:06 PM ET #7

    Wall - I am little surprised by your response. I agree in theory that WellCare spending should be observed / monitored / restricted. But my first reaction (admittedly an initial reaction) is that this is not the right approach. It seems to based on the premise that WellCare spending is all bad. As was pointed out how will the ATM dispersion be changed to a coma date this bill?? They have to pay a $3 surcharge on all withdrawals? I know that when I am forces to pay a surcharge I like to get more bang for my buck. I.e. Take out more that $20 if I am going to pay a surcharge.

    I know there is probably more to this than I am considering but this is my initial thought.
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    Wall - I am little surprised by your response. I agree in theory that WellCare spending should be observed / monitored / restricted. But my first reaction (admittedly an initial reaction) is that this is not the right approach. It seems to based on the premise that WellCare spending is all bad. As was pointed out how will the ATM dispersion be changed to a coma date this bill?? They have to pay a $3 surcharge on all withdrawals? I know that when I am forces to pay a surcharge I like to get more bang for my buck. I.e. Take out more that $20 if I am going to pay a surcharge.

    I know there is probably more to this than I am considering but this is my initial thought.
     
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    Posted: May. 18, 2015 - 11:20 PM ET #8

    And I will ask about other government employees??? Take me for example. I am In a job that is paid strictly by tax payer money. Granted I am in a job that pays a service to the community but still it is tax payer money. I am well above the poverty line but still on tax payers dime. Why should I (and others in similar positions) not be held to the same standard?

    Complex issue for sure
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    And I will ask about other government employees??? Take me for example. I am In a job that is paid strictly by tax payer money. Granted I am in a job that pays a service to the community but still it is tax payer money. I am well above the poverty line but still on tax payers dime. Why should I (and others in similar positions) not be held to the same standard?

    Complex issue for sure
     
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    Posted: May. 18, 2015 - 11:36 PM ET #9

    According to a  California Reinvestment Coalition' s report, California welfare recipients spent about 19 millions on bank fees last year.
    Banks profit  at the expense of tax payer-provided assistance.
    Kansas and California are shifting public funds from people who need it to banks. There must be a better way to manage the welfare system.
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    According to a  California Reinvestment Coalition' s report, California welfare recipients spent about 19 millions on bank fees last year.
    Banks profit  at the expense of tax payer-provided assistance.
    Kansas and California are shifting public funds from people who need it to banks. There must be a better way to manage the welfare system.
     
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    Posted: May. 18, 2015 - 11:49 PM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by mattbrot:

    Slight and friendly correction. "Majority of welfare recipients in AMERICA" are white and vote republican. Fact not opinion!!!

    Source?
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    Slight and friendly correction. "Majority of welfare recipients in AMERICA" are white and vote republican. Fact not opinion!!!

    Source?
     
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    Betting - this has been debated at nauseum here. A quick google search should answer your question. Not hard to find!!!
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    Betting - this has been debated at nauseum here. A quick google search should answer your question. Not hard to find!!!
     
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    You have the same search capabilities as me!!!
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    Posted: May. 19, 2015 - 12:30 AM ET #13

    According to 2013 data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which administers the

    Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP)

    , 40.2 percent of SNAP recipients are white, 25.7 percent are black, 10.3 percent are Hispanic, 2.1 percent are Asian and 1.2 percent are Native American.
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    According to 2013 data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which administers the

    Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP)

    , 40.2 percent of SNAP recipients are white, 25.7 percent are black, 10.3 percent are Hispanic, 2.1 percent are Asian and 1.2 percent are Native American.
     
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    Posted: May. 19, 2015 - 12:46 AM ET #14

    Yeah I dont think welfare money should be available to withdraw via an ATM.

    I think the ATM idea is a bad idea, dont even have it at all. I would be more than happy to support cost of rent, a set ammt of utilities, food staples which meet certain nutritional standards.

    Outside that I think the restrictions on welfare monies should be very very tight.

    I grew up in poverty and a few times I remember having certain things which were probably welfare items..we did the discount food, generic food, growing our own food.

    I grew up with free lunch in school due to being under the poverty line, but I dont recall being able to WD money to go to the movies or get a tattoo or go out to dinner or buy junk food.

    I say keep a major tight leash on welfare and food stamp funds...
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    Yeah I dont think welfare money should be available to withdraw via an ATM.

    I think the ATM idea is a bad idea, dont even have it at all. I would be more than happy to support cost of rent, a set ammt of utilities, food staples which meet certain nutritional standards.

    Outside that I think the restrictions on welfare monies should be very very tight.

    I grew up in poverty and a few times I remember having certain things which were probably welfare items..we did the discount food, generic food, growing our own food.

    I grew up with free lunch in school due to being under the poverty line, but I dont recall being able to WD money to go to the movies or get a tattoo or go out to dinner or buy junk food.

    I say keep a major tight leash on welfare and food stamp funds...
     
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    The federal government defines welfare as all entitlement programs funded through taxes. These programs, listed as “direct benefit payments for individuals” by the Office of Management and Budget, make up $730 billion or 43 percent of the $1.47 trillion the government will spend this fiscal year.
    Social Security (AKA retirement plan) is one of the largest welfare program

    88.7% Social Security recipients are white, 9.6% are blacks
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    The federal government defines welfare as all entitlement programs funded through taxes. These programs, listed as “direct benefit payments for individuals” by the Office of Management and Budget, make up $730 billion or 43 percent of the $1.47 trillion the government will spend this fiscal year.
    Social Security (AKA retirement plan) is one of the largest welfare program

    88.7% Social Security recipients are white, 9.6% are blacks
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattbrot:

    And I will ask about other government employees??? Take me for example. I am In a job that is paid strictly by tax payer money. Granted I am in a job that pays a service to the community but still it is tax payer money. I am well above the poverty line but still on tax payers dime. Why should I (and others in similar positions) not be held to the same standard?

    Complex issue for sure

    I'm shocked you work for the government... Please post a link that majority of people on Welfare vote Republican. I'll wait for that...

    For the record, I believe that people on government assistance should be made uncomfortable to motivate them to GET OFF GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE. I can't say that I agree with this though, but every fiber in my being believes that it shouldn't be going for tattoos, casinos & lingerie, wtf?

    I want it to go to the people that need it, not the people that like to sleep in, deal drugs or father unwanted children, no matter what color they are...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattbrot:

    And I will ask about other government employees??? Take me for example. I am In a job that is paid strictly by tax payer money. Granted I am in a job that pays a service to the community but still it is tax payer money. I am well above the poverty line but still on tax payers dime. Why should I (and others in similar positions) not be held to the same standard?

    Complex issue for sure

    I'm shocked you work for the government... Please post a link that majority of people on Welfare vote Republican. I'll wait for that...

    For the record, I believe that people on government assistance should be made uncomfortable to motivate them to GET OFF GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE. I can't say that I agree with this though, but every fiber in my being believes that it shouldn't be going for tattoos, casinos & lingerie, wtf?

    I want it to go to the people that need it, not the people that like to sleep in, deal drugs or father unwanted children, no matter what color they are...
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Yeah I dont think welfare money should be available to withdraw via an ATM.

    I think the ATM idea is a bad idea, dont even have it at all. I would be more than happy to support cost of rent, a set ammt of utilities, food staples which meet certain nutritional standards.

    Outside that I think the restrictions on welfare monies should be very very tight.

    I grew up in poverty and a few times I remember having certain things which were probably welfare items..we did the discount food, generic food, growing our own food.

    I grew up with free lunch in school due to being under the poverty line, but I dont recall being able to WD money to go to the movies or get a tattoo or go out to dinner or buy junk food.

    I say keep a major tight leash on welfare and food stamp funds...



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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Yeah I dont think welfare money should be available to withdraw via an ATM.

    I think the ATM idea is a bad idea, dont even have it at all. I would be more than happy to support cost of rent, a set ammt of utilities, food staples which meet certain nutritional standards.

    Outside that I think the restrictions on welfare monies should be very very tight.

    I grew up in poverty and a few times I remember having certain things which were probably welfare items..we did the discount food, generic food, growing our own food.

    I grew up with free lunch in school due to being under the poverty line, but I dont recall being able to WD money to go to the movies or get a tattoo or go out to dinner or buy junk food.

    I say keep a major tight leash on welfare and food stamp funds...



     
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    How can SS be defined as welfare when that money was paid in by businesses and individuals?
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    How can SS be defined as welfare when that money was paid in by businesses and individuals?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Well some of what they passed makes sense to me.

    Why should welfare funds be used for tattoos lingerie or concerts?

    I dont see how setting restrictions on what welfare money can be spent for is a bad thing, but I also support food stamp restrictions to core food items with specific health benefit..not soda or junk food or garbage.

    If people want to get tattoos or go to the movies or buy crap food, get a job and buy it with money you earned..not from welfare.
    Absolutely correct. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    Well some of what they passed makes sense to me.

    Why should welfare funds be used for tattoos lingerie or concerts?

    I dont see how setting restrictions on what welfare money can be spent for is a bad thing, but I also support food stamp restrictions to core food items with specific health benefit..not soda or junk food or garbage.

    If people want to get tattoos or go to the movies or buy crap food, get a job and buy it with money you earned..not from welfare.
    Absolutely correct. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattbrot:

    Slight and friendly correction. "Majority of welfare recipients in AMERICA" are white and vote republican. Fact not opinion!!!

    Absolute hogwash. 

    https://super-economy.blogspot.com/2012/02/do-welfare-recipients-mostly-vote.html?m=1



    "Hardly surprising, we see that in a two-party split, 60-80% of welfare recipients are Democrats, while full time Workers are evenly divided between parties.

    You have similar results in this recent NPR-Poll. Among the Long Term Unemployed, 72% of the two-party support goes to Democrats.

    It appears that once more common sense is right and the impression left by the New York Times wrong. Indeed, people who live off the government disproportionally support Democrats."

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    Slight and friendly correction. "Majority of welfare recipients in AMERICA" are white and vote republican. Fact not opinion!!!

    Absolute hogwash. 

    https://super-economy.blogspot.com/2012/02/do-welfare-recipients-mostly-vote.html?m=1



    "Hardly surprising, we see that in a two-party split, 60-80% of welfare recipients are Democrats, while full time Workers are evenly divided between parties.

    You have similar results in this recent NPR-Poll. Among the Long Term Unemployed, 72% of the two-party support goes to Democrats.

    It appears that once more common sense is right and the impression left by the New York Times wrong. Indeed, people who live off the government disproportionally support Democrats."

     
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    Posted: May. 19, 2015 - 2:32 AM ET #21

    Quote Originally Posted by mattbrot:

    You have the same search capabilities as me!!!
    I recommend using them before regurgitating nonsense. 
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    You have the same search capabilities as me!!!
    I recommend using them before regurgitating nonsense. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:

    According to 2013 data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which administers the

    Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP)

    , 40.2 percent of SNAP recipients are white, 25.7 percent are black, 10.3 percent are Hispanic, 2.1 percent are Asian and 1.2 percent are Native American.
    Also totally deceptive. Because there are 72% white in country and 12% black in country.  So proportionally the numbers are pretty obviously skewed. 
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    According to 2013 data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which administers the

    Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP)

    , 40.2 percent of SNAP recipients are white, 25.7 percent are black, 10.3 percent are Hispanic, 2.1 percent are Asian and 1.2 percent are Native American.
    Also totally deceptive. Because there are 72% white in country and 12% black in country.  So proportionally the numbers are pretty obviously skewed. 
     
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    Posted: May. 19, 2015 - 9:57 AM ET #23

    Banned them from buying lobster as well. My sister (staunch conservative) buys into these ploys. She hears something like this and assumes that Welfare checks are being spent on lobster and cruise ship gambling. LMAO. Keep drinking the cool aid.
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    Banned them from buying lobster as well. My sister (staunch conservative) buys into these ploys. She hears something like this and assumes that Welfare checks are being spent on lobster and cruise ship gambling. LMAO. Keep drinking the cool aid.
     
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    This is typical Republican playbook. All Republican legislature slashes business taxes to zero after a couple supply side junkies testify that the resulting revenue boom will be huge. Instead revenue tanks, budget deficits balloon, schools get hit with cuts and the people are wondering what happened.

     

    Aha! pass a bunch of meaningless bills about welfare and the populace is not mad about the path the all Republican state gov't put them on. Instead, the Holy Rollin people of kansas are pissed because a bunch of welfare leeches blew up the state budget with too many trips to Victoria's Secret and the Lion Den.

    Just the fact that people fall for this crap is mind boggling.

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    This is typical Republican playbook. All Republican legislature slashes business taxes to zero after a couple supply side junkies testify that the resulting revenue boom will be huge. Instead revenue tanks, budget deficits balloon, schools get hit with cuts and the people are wondering what happened.

     

    Aha! pass a bunch of meaningless bills about welfare and the populace is not mad about the path the all Republican state gov't put them on. Instead, the Holy Rollin people of kansas are pissed because a bunch of welfare leeches blew up the state budget with too many trips to Victoria's Secret and the Lion Den.

    Just the fact that people fall for this crap is mind boggling.

     
     
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    trawler,

    Dont mix issues..

    You are right about business taxes and that is a joke, it is corporate welfare and yeah I dislike it even MORE than social welfare..and yeah some states (I think I read Kansas recently) kneel to corporate lobbyists and do their bidding and the social system suffers..same thing happens down here.

    But the issue about setting guidelines for welfare use seems prudent and practical. If I were a politician I wouldnt have an ATM for welfare money..that is stupid. I would not support food stamp use for anything outside of the core nutritional group of food we want people to be eating..fruits, veggies, meat, you know food that is good for you..but corporate interests pollute food stamp monies so we allow people to buy soda and cheetos with it and that is a mistake.

    I'd rather there be solid guidelines and restrictions since the money is given from the government, it seems reasonable the people supporting the funds should know there are guidelines and parameters for its use.
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    trawler,

    Dont mix issues..

    You are right about business taxes and that is a joke, it is corporate welfare and yeah I dislike it even MORE than social welfare..and yeah some states (I think I read Kansas recently) kneel to corporate lobbyists and do their bidding and the social system suffers..same thing happens down here.

    But the issue about setting guidelines for welfare use seems prudent and practical. If I were a politician I wouldnt have an ATM for welfare money..that is stupid. I would not support food stamp use for anything outside of the core nutritional group of food we want people to be eating..fruits, veggies, meat, you know food that is good for you..but corporate interests pollute food stamp monies so we allow people to buy soda and cheetos with it and that is a mistake.

    I'd rather there be solid guidelines and restrictions since the money is given from the government, it seems reasonable the people supporting the funds should know there are guidelines and parameters for its use.
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