How to go to War for Dummies Part I

Thus my line of comment about this very faulty way of thinking.

So to you the view that they broke the agreement means we go invade them, is that what it says in the agreement and do we follow this way of action when agreements are not kept to our liking?

I do not agree with your conclusion about them breaking the agreement but I am actually going past that to discuss what that means to YOU and if the progression of events is the way as a country we interact with other countries? We make an agreement and if we do not feel the other party is keeping it them we go bomb the daylights out of them, is this your rationalization and premise for how you can validate Trump and his lies and fraud?

I go and take out a lousy car loan because my credit sucks and I drive for a while after signing the agreement and then I get miffed about it thinking I am getting taken advantage of...so is the progression of action when I stop paying that the note holder can kill me or bomb my house or threaten my family because I did not uphold my signed agreement?

This way of thinking is absurd and disgusting, we should do every single possible thing as a country to avoid war and death but nope Trump got duped by Netty and let the bombs and deaths commence.

@Raiders22

 Well as long as you have your folks and experts I guess you win the discussion....no, wait when you deflect to some faceless folks and experts there IS no discussion taking place.

@wallstreetcappers

Of course.  But that is how it works if the other side just has emotion and no facts and data and analysis.  
That is why I asked what yours was and as usual you have no answer to support your ‘opinion’.

@wallstreetcappers

 You analogies are silly. How about you are a convicted felon unable lawfully to own firearms and screaming death to your neighbors on a regular basis yet you are said to be assembling firearms. Can your door be kicked down by law enforcement?

And "my conculsion" happens to be from The International Atomic Energy Agency's conculsion. So in your mind they were wrong too. Or you just block that part out. Amazing irrational rational.

I give details on unranium enrichment, testimony from international experts who say Iran broke the treaty, hid nuclear material, enriched uranium far beyond civilian power plant needs and you say "your conculsions". 

You provided absolutely no details, no proof, that the IAEA was wrong, no reasons for 60% enrichment, NOTHING except a car loan analogy. 

Pretty sad

[Quote: Originally Posted by Calde13]Iran could get a nuclear bomb within a few weeks or even less - even if you bombed them into oblivion - don’t know if you are aware - but they are allies with Russia (the biggest nuclear nation on the planet) and they are connected through the Caspian Sea - which is a seaway NATO has no control over[/Quote]

Hey Einstein,  for as crazy as the Russians are, do you really think they're stupid enough to hand over nuclear missiles to a bunch of religious zealots  ?  I mean, yeah, Russia has contributed heavily to training scientists and engineers, but direct transport of fissile material is another matter.  I expect more from someone that speaks 5 languages.   Keep impressing us big guy . 

[Quote: Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers]@UNIMAN  I love how I preface something precisely then you come in with your stupid TDS fallback nonsense anyway. I said I did not buy the Iraq "intel" and I do not buy this intel either.  So instead of infantile name calling can you provide PROOF of your claim that warrants an invasion? Nuclear enrichment is not the measure for invasion unless you are actually going to go after the REAL threats using this lame measure. So are we invading all the countries that have uranium of any sort? Or is the real measure for invasion as we ALL KNOW that there is a direct, measurable and immediate threat to US SOIL...  Lets not play stupid again for partisan agendas, Iraq was a lie, this is a lie. Trump is a carp who got suckered by Netty, that is the truth big guy.[/Quote]

The difference  w Iran is that they have announced they want Israel wiped out from the face of the earth,  and then we have October  7 th occur.  Seriously,  you really have to be out to lunch to doubt the ambitions of Iran to follow through on their intentions once they have a nuclear weapon. Riggggggght ? 

How does this not compute w you ?    Their actions, rhetoric,  ahd behavior,  are like nothing else on earth, 

[Quote: Originally Posted by UNIMAN]@wallstreetcappers    You analogies are silly. How about you are a convicted felon unable lawfully to own firearms and screaming death to your neighbors on a regular basis yet you are said to be assembling firearms. Can your door be kicked down by law enforcement? And "my conculsion" happens to be from The International Atomic Energy Agency's conculsion. So in your mind they were wrong too. Or you just block that part out. Amazing irrational rational. I give details on unranium enrichment, testimony from international experts who say Iran broke the treaty, hid nuclear material, enriched uranium far beyond civilian power plant needs and you say "your conculsions".  You provided absolutely no details, no proof, that the IAEA was wrong, no reasons for 60% enrichment, NOTHING except a car loan analogy.  Pretty sad[/Quote]

100 %:.   Your post is solid, and the IAE is dismissed even by our liberal friends. 

Liberals only believe what they want to believe... and it's they're own opinions which are always wrong.   No wonder why they are all screwed up ! 

@kcblitzkrieg

 Paging KC !     Paging KC  ! 

Are you all about starting threads,  then coming back acting like you're holier than thou 3 months later ?   Your initial supposition in your thread is an embarrassment on the reasoning for U.S.  going to war,  and you deserve to be called out for such a ridiculous theory. 

Guys, everybody knows that the Trump Admimistration unquestionably OBLITERATED all of Iran’s entire nuclear program in summer 2025. Anyone who says otherwise is a librul who disagrees with Dear Leader, and has Trump Derangement Syndrome.

Because of the fact that Trump never lies, there was no nuclear threat in Iran in 2026, because the White House told us so in 2025. 

I speak 8 languages (9 if conversational level count) - and no I don’t think they will - I also don’t think Iran will ask Russia for it - how many times have I stated now - that overly religious Muslims are the ones you should fear the least when it comes to a nuclear bomb - that has basically been my point every time I have given my view on this - because it is correct — if anything you bombing them and threatening their existence would be the only thing pushing them towards making it ! 

Btw you have placed tactical nuclear weapons pretty much all over Europe - why should Russia be any different in that regard if they feel you threaten their allies existence - they literally have a waterway between them - where they could move them with days notice - and none could easily intervene

You don’t have to move a bomb - making the bomb is not hard at all - you just need to move the radioactive components they want to use - then you have “given” them the bomb — Russia has no moral compass or regard for human lives neither yours nor their own - they never had - so I don’t hold them to the same standards you clearly do — sometimes being smart and aware of the different countries history is a curse !! Believe me I wish I could be as dumb as people like you sometimes

Btw it is funny you compared me with Einstein - that was also who I was compared to during my “session” (the screening for military draft :)) I scored so high in the IQ test they thought I cheated - the progressively more difficult test - couldn’t find a math question I couldn’t answer :) I am sure that is a story we share - you and I 

International atomic energy agency says there is no evidence Iran is building a nuclear weapon.  Also IAEA warns no war can destroy Iran nuclear ambition and calls for military restraint to avoid nuclear accident.  

That is true the IAEA did say they found no evidence of a nuclear weapon. What they did find was undisclosed enrichment to 60%. Hard to do and has no benefit for civilian nuclear power. So why?

And why not just say; "Hey, come on in, look all you want, no nuclear weapon ambitions here. And sign an agreement that we will not pursue nuclear weapons?? Sure, no problem. And that 60% stuff, come get it and at least compensate us for it." 

Ohhhh, no. WE WILL NEVER AGREE!! 

And here is something else to ponder. Last summer just days before the bombings of nuclear facilities these satellite pics were taken. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/iran-us-strikes-satellite-image-trucks/

And this one especially; https://isis-online.org/isis-reports/assessment-of-blue-barrels-moved-into-esfahan-mountain-in-days-before-june-2025-war

All done in broad daynight. The bombings on these nuclear handling facilites had no reported fallouts. Keep in mind Chernobyl had 2-3% enriched uranium, Iran had 60%. 

So what does this mean? One can only speculate. I'm thinking. behind the scenes, Iran was warned in advance to avoid a catastrophic release.

And yes, Iran's enrichment program was destroyed last June. Stopped dead in it's tracks. One would think they would take the hint and end their quest for building nuclear weapons. But no; https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2026/01/08/new-activity-at-iranian-nuclear-site-shows-determination-to-rebuild-program/

So here we are again.

And they are killing their own people. Deny access to the outside world. An Iranian caught reading this thread would most likely be hanged. 

The 60-day clock, initiated by a March 2, 2026, notification of hostilities, officially ended on Friday, May 1, 2026. And we have King Trump stated he did not need to seek congressional approval, arguing that the War Powers Act is unconstitutional. Every voter should get to see a formal vote as it would force lawmakers to go on the official congressional record. It’s time for the Republicans to should there card! Yes or no isn’t hard! For more than 50 years the War Powers Act has stood and was created to limit the president's power to deploy troops without congressional consent But King Trump doesn’t follow laws he doesn’t care for and he holds a dagger over the head of everyone in his party that would eliminate there political career!…..Everything the GOP is doing will show up in November! Hopefully they get the 60% in both houses and move to expand the Supreme Court to 21! 2nd Reduce military spending and use it towards the national debt see that it cause a lion share of it ! That would be a way to make America great again!

15% is less than 21% and less than 25%.  
15% is certainly less than the combined 46%.  

So, I am not sure I would call that a ‘lions share’.

THIS is the crux of the issue and at least you will come out and say it. No need for the sarcasm either just come out and say what we all know that this is to serve Israel. Has Trump come out and said these words? Everyone even on your side knows this to be the truth but he hides behind fraud and lies.

And no...we are not hired guns for Israel we do not accomplish their military goals and we should not have joined Israel in this fashion...so a big NO to your contention.

The measure of the flow of action is the ONLY issue here. I am really not that concerned with your entire response because the course of action for your concerns is not to start a war. My car analogy was completely accurate it is an agreement scenario and you could use any scenario to make the point. We entered an agreement this is not how you respond IF you feel the other party has not kept the agreement and there is an issue. We are not the lords of the universe and at a minimum we should have worked with our allies IF we had a concern. 

Where the fraud and lies come is not about your contention about having some capabilities it is that the premise for this invasion was IMMINENT development of nukes that could harm the US and that is because it DOES meet the measure of a war even though I would not support that either but it at least meets the bar to what we would consider. Iran does not did not has never been weeks or days from having a nuke that could harm the US.

So back to your IAE cover for Trump, are we going to start wars with any country that meets this measure or even worse? Are we starting to attack all those who either have weapons or can develop them? NO we are not...this is a Israel scam fraud pack of lies and Trump should be removed from office for making this decision.

Using the word invasion is inaccurate in itself. There is/was no invasion. Speculating and developing agruements for an invasion is just.....speculation of something that hasn't happened and what I believe will not happen.

Joe said to Trump, Iran is our most immediate threat. He said it for a reason. 

And I believe it goes far beyond nukes. 

@UNIMAN

 Ok so excursion fits your palate better then? How about war? How about massive bomb droppings and death? How about fraud and lies? 

If the US thinks there is a viable, direct, tangible, immediate threat to our country and citizens then there is a path to which you move forward and that includes our legislative process, our allies and alliances and our agreements. Trump understands none of this and that is the problem. We are not the free bomb friends for Israel, we have no place  joining them alone to accomplish their military objectives in this fashion.

Its incredible how a person that doesnt even know the Strait of Hormuz isnt a ocean got us into this war, but hey trump is a genius and any maga will say that

[Quote: Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers]Quote Originally Posted by Rush51: Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: @UNIMAN  I love how I preface something precisely then you come in with your stupid TDS fallback nonsense anyway. I said I did not buy the Iraq "intel" and I do not buy this intel either.  So instead of infantile name calling can you provide PROOF of your claim that warrants an invasion? Nuclear enrichment is not the measure for invasion unless you are actually going to go after the REAL threats using this lame measure. So are we invading all the countries that have uranium of any sort? Or is the real measure for invasion as we ALL KNOW that there is a direct, measurable and immediate threat to US SOIL...  Lets not play stupid again for partisan agendas, Iraq was a lie, this is a lie. Trump is a carp who got suckered by Netty, that is the truth big guy.     The difference  w Iran is that they have announced they want Israel wiped out from the face of the earth,  and then we have October  7 th occur.  Seriously,  you really have to be out to lunch to doubt the ambitions of Iran to follow through on their intentions once they have a nuclear weapon. Riggggggght ?  How does this not compute w you ?    Their actions, rhetoric,  ahd behavior,  are like nothing else on earth, THIS is the crux of the issue and at least you will come out and say it. No need for the sarcasm either just come out and say what we all know that this is to serve Israel. Has Trump come out and said these words? Everyone even on your side knows this to be the truth but he hides behind fraud and lies. And no...we are not hired guns for Israel we do not accomplish their military goals and we should not have joined Israel in this fashion...so a big NO to your contention.[/Quote]

You're getting too tied up with your fascination w/ Israel and Netanyahu.   It's really a constant theme from you. 

Remember,... the crazies in Iran chant  "Death to America !"   "Death to Israel !"   They don't mention other countries..... EVER ! 

Whether the religious zealots choose to fire on Israel first, is immaterial..  You and I both know that the primary targets are us and Israel. 

@Rush51

 I keep saying it because it is true. So you are mad I keep stating the truth?

I dont care about the death chants because that is not the MEASURE to start a war. Keep your eyes off the partisan blogs and on the truth. We had absolutely no reason to start a war with Iran to forward Israels military agenda and Trump should resign or be tossed out for doing so.

Why do we have allies, unions and agreements if Trump could care two craps about honoring anything but his grifting wandering ego?

So are we going to invade North Korea now since that twerp just said that if he is taken out that their NUKES will be on auto send? What is worse a country that Israel dislikes that has some uranium or a dictator who HAS WEAPONS and just said he will auto launch them if taken out?

Lunacy and stupidity on parade..

[Quote: Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers]@Rush51  I keep saying it because it is true. So you are mad I keep stating the truth? I dont care about the death chants because that is not the MEASURE to start a war. Keep your eyes off the partisan blogs and on the truth. We had absolutely no reason to start a war with Iran to forward Israels military agenda and Trump should resign or be tossed out for doing so. Why do we have allies, unions and agreements if Trump could care two craps about honoring anything but his grifting wandering ego? So are we going to invade North Korea now since that twerp just said that if he is taken out that their NUKES will be on auto send? What is worse a country that Israel dislikes that has some uranium or a dictator who HAS WEAPONS and just said he will auto launch them if taken out? Lunacy and stupidity on parade..[/Quote]

Stop with the nonsense.  You always pull this stunt and change the narrative of the discussion.  No one ever said we went to wear based on chants of "Death to America."   Talk about a parade of stupidity and inaccuracies. 

We went to war because Trump (who has stated time and time again over the years) will do what is necessary to prevent Iran from having a nuclear weapon.    And yet, here we are in 2026, and the reason now is we are doing 'Netty's bidding in Israel to go to war against Iran.  That is sure lunacy right there, and detached from reality if someone had been paying attention over the years to what Trump had been saying. 

Let's not forget you lefties are the same group of people that thought Trump's recent assassination attempt was "staged."  ... Despite one security guy taking a bullet to his bullet proof vest.   

Why do I bring this  up !?  Because, You guys are seriously out to lunch, and are fanatic on your "Opinions" and "Conspiracy Theories."   Doing 'Netty's bidding is your recent highly opinionated take.  It's Not Based in Fact..