How to go to War for Dummies Part I

Fascinating look into easily the worst decision in the Mad King's second tenure.  Per Whitehouse journalists Jonathan Swan and Maggie Haberman.... 

Netanyahu sold a dream. On February 11, in the Situation Room, the Israeli Prime Minister presented a four-act scenario: kill the Supreme Leader, destroy the Iranian army, spark a popular revolution, install a new regime. He even showed a montage video featuring the "future leaders" of Iran. Trump responded: "Sounds good to me." In one sentence, he had just sealed the fate of the region.

The next day, the CIA said it was hot air. Parts 3 and 4 of Netanyahu's pitch—the popular revolution and regime change—were labeled a "farce" by Ratcliffe himself. Rubio translated: "In other words, it's bullshit." General Caine added: "It's the standard Israeli procedure. They oversell, and their plans aren't always well developed."

Trump heard. And he still said yes.

Vance saw it all. The vice president was the only one in the room to outright oppose it, warning that the war could "destroy Trump's political coalition," that the Strait of Hormuz was the real vulnerability, that no one could predict Iranian retaliation when a regime's survival was at stake. He said: "You know I think this is a bad idea. But if you want to do it, I'll back you."

This isn't political courage. It's deference.

Susie Wiles watched. The chief of staff, who had concerns, felt it "wasn't her role" to voice them on a military decision in front of the others. She "encouraged the advisors to share their views." She stayed silent.

General Caine never said no. He laid out the risks: depleted munitions stocks, Strait of Hormuz, no clear path to victory. Then he said: "If you order the operation, the military will execute."

Trump, meanwhile, "only heard what he wanted to hear."

And Trump signed off aboard Air Force One, 22 minutes before the deadline set by his own general: "Operation Epic Fury is approved. No aborts. Good luck."

That's how you go to war in the 21st century. Not with solemn deliberation. Not with a congressional vote. Not with an exit strategy. With a Netanyahu slideshow, a "sounds good to me," and a note sent from an airplane.

In The Puppet of the White House, I write that the real decision-makers are those who prepare the presentations Trump watches. Netanyahu understood that better than anyone. He staged an hour of visual spectacle in the Situation Room with Mossad as the backdrop, videos of "future leaders," a promise of quick and clean victory.

And Trump said yes. While Vance, Rubio, Wiles, and Caine watched."

When the last people left on your side are Mark Levin, Laura Loomer, Randy Fine, Ben Shapiro, Ted Cruz and the worst; Lindsey Graham, you need to take a good look around and say, “wow, I’m a fucking retard”.  

Godspeed all.  

Excellent post

Sounds like a big fat case of TDS

The member of the Army's 103rd Sustainment Command said Creeping Jesus Pete Hegseth is a lying dog when he said a drone squirmed though to kill 6 and wound 20 ! The good news is Deot of War made sure israel was fully protected! …..Why is it Israel and the Us are the only countries that agreed to this War ? The towers in NY would be still standing if the Zionist given land stolen from the Palestinian! No other nation on earth in 1947 wanted them and there history of baggage so they jammed up the Arabs craw!

Yup trump and his sheep have already attacked those people, using the TDS LINE, which is so old now its comical. 

Funny how many years he keeps saying the failing ny times, but they are still there writing new stories everyday lollll.  Another tired trump line

@wallstreetcappers

Decades of military experience at the highest levels was wiped out by Musk & Donnie D Cups. Firing for cause is one thing but recklessly releasing these leaders is unpresented in our history.

In fact, these fucktards fired all those employees in the FBI, Voice of America & the State Depart who understand Farsi, the predominant language spoken in Iran.

Communications from Iran were written in Farsi with no one in our government able to decipher the documents. They are now looking to rehire these employees.

What a bunch of amateurs! 

Farsi= DEI

Austerity is political choice disguised as economic necessity.  History shows that government spending cuts are often a failure.  Worsening recession, unemployment, health, inequality, economic growth and debt to GDP ratio.  To reduce government deficits, increasing tax revenue tends to be more successful.

It appears Michael Wolff who may be the source of what Melania fears!

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU08/20250227/117951/HHRG-119-JU08-20250227-SD006-U6.pdf

Those 100 hours will be hard to brush away and many cases will and should be investigated by journalists & governments!They tapes and or videos will amplify the heat to get Blanche to release everything he has sat on for Trump and the rest of the friends of Epstein deniers ! This is not UFO’s this happened! Prince Andrew is only a ice cube in the drink.

The Notorious P.I.G uses phrases over & over again. It's annoying as hell. Like "in 2 weeks" or "fake news" or "it's rigged" to name a few. When referring to Zelensky & the war, Donald Duck the Draft said "he doesn't have the cards." Recently, Fattyshack made the same comment about Iran. "They don't have the cards."

And of course, Phony Soprano knows about cards & gambling, right? He has some casino experience, right? 

Well again Grandpa Grabass is wrong. In fact Iran, does indeed have the cards.

They have a strait.

Famed international relations expert and negotiator, Jared Kushner, was apparently the one responsible for removing JD Vance from the negotiation team.  

He was replaced by an Israeli lobbyist.  Enough said. 

Project Freedom = Project Failure 

@kcblitzkrieg  " failure of project freedom"

CNN reports that plan to provide security for ships has been quickly abandoned for several reasons.  Shipping companies remain reluctant to risk valuable assets.  Easier for Iran to close strait than for US military to re-open it.  Iran resists any attempt to weaken their control of strait.  Now Trump administration hopes to negotiate a temporary deal which is far inferior to Obama Iran nuclear deal.

You are 100 percent correct

Jared just like his dad who went to jail is nothing but a slime ball criminal and belongs in prison. I truly hope this skinny twerp gets his karma real soon.

[Quote: Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg]Fascinating look into easily the worst decision in the Mad King's second tenure.  Per Whitehouse journalists Jonathan Swan and Maggie Haberman....    Netanyahu sold a dream. On February 11, in the Situation Room, the Israeli Prime Minister presented a four-act scenario: kill the Supreme Leader, destroy the Iranian army, spark a popular revolution, install a new regime. He even showed a montage video featuring the "future leaders" of Iran. Trump responded: "Sounds good to me." In one sentence, he had just sealed the fate of the region. The next day, the CIA said it was hot air. Parts 3 and 4 of Netanyahu's pitch—the popular revolution and regime change—were labeled a "farce" by Ratcliffe himself. Rubio translated: "In other words, it's bullshit." General Caine added: "It's the standard Israeli procedure. They oversell, and their plans aren't always well developed." Trump heard. And he still said yes. Vance saw it all. The vice president was the only one in the room to outright oppose it, warning that the war could "destroy Trump's political coalition," that the Strait of Hormuz was the real vulnerability, that no one could predict Iranian retaliation when a regime's survival was at stake. He said: "You know I think this is a bad idea. But if you want to do it, I'll back you." This isn't political courage. It's deference. Susie Wiles watched. The chief of staff, who had concerns, felt it "wasn't her role" to voice them on a military decision in front of the others. She "encouraged the advisors to share their views." She stayed silent. General Caine never said no. He laid out the risks: depleted munitions stocks, Strait of Hormuz, no clear path to victory. Then he said: "If you order the operation, the military will execute." Trump, meanwhile, "only heard what he wanted to hear." And Trump signed off aboard Air Force One, 22 minutes before the deadline set by his own general: "Operation Epic Fury is approved. No aborts. Good luck." That's how you go to war in the 21st century. Not with solemn deliberation. Not with a congressional vote. Not with an exit strategy. With a Netanyahu slideshow, a "sounds good to me," and a note sent from an airplane. In The Puppet of the White House, I write that the real decision-makers are those who prepare the presentations Trump watches. Netanyahu understood that better than anyone. He staged an hour of visual spectacle in the Situation Room with Mossad as the backdrop, videos of "future leaders," a promise of quick and clean victory. And Trump said yes. While Vance, Rubio, Wiles, and Caine watched." When the last people left on your side are Mark Levin, Laura Loomer, Randy Fine, Ben Shapiro, Ted Cruz and the worst; Lindsey Graham, you need to take a good look around and say, “wow, I’m a fucking retard”.   Godspeed all.[/Quote]

Fantastic Thread, KC !      .  Did you ever ponder the thought that a Nuclear Iran was the impetus for actually going to war, or are are you struck by your cool little story (True or not)  that this is how it all went down ?  Seriously, I used to remember you at one time as an insightful poster ?  What happened ? 

If the above story is true, it stands to reason that Trump had all but made up his mind already about attacking Iran, and was more than happy to have another country shoulder some of the burden (Israel).  Keep in mind the naval buildup was already well underway at the time of this meeting..  

@Rush51

 So where in any sense was there any indication of your premise? And where is the proof of your premise now? Why did the timeline go from Israel invading Gaza, invading and attacking other regions THEN Iran? Are you dismissing the facts that Netty tried this scam with all previous admins and they didnt bite but Trump did?

This is just a fat slobby Iraq 2.0 with fraud fake lies to forward a narrative with no proof or validity. 

If your premise even has a shred of proof why are we going after the small fry Iran when others in the region including Israel HAVE WORKING WEAPONS now? Iran has no nukes nor long range nukes that could sniff the US but others in the region DO have them and yet you toss out this Iraq carp lie about nukes and capabilities as a reason to invade?

Nope....this is worse than Iraq because we have real time legit data when back then we were all lied to and didnt really know.

Its useless trying to talk to him, trump has got him in a total spell. Trump could kill his entire family and he would say trump had a good reason to do it.

His posts are like he copied them from fox news word for word.

@wallstreetcappers

 So, you are disputing the Intel that said Iran was well on their way to full enrichment  ?  I mean, even Biden's Administration knew that this was something that would have to be dealt with.. why not leave it on Trump's plate, which is exactly what they did.  

And This is nothing like Iraq 2.0.  Have you seen any ground troops w their legs being blown off by IEDs?  What's striking is that this is      " Absolutely Nothing " like Iraq War..  What a poor analogy.. 

@Rush51

 Im saying that is not the measure for invading them and especially without congress approving it. Aside from that I say NO I do not buy the intel no more than I bought the Bush Lite lies intel on WMDs, what the crap is "intel" anyway as it is completely classified and not verifiable at all.

The Iraq analogy is legit it was an invasion based on lies and "intel" as you say and that was a lie, this is a lie. I could say that Sweden has uranium or Canada does so are we invading them next? The measure for an invasion is DIRECT AND IMMINENT THREAT not some wishy washy intel that is at BEST speculative and at worst a flat out lie.

We invade when this country is at immediate and direct threat...so what is your comment on the full FACTS that Trump was sold a bag of lies by Netty and the same crap was tried previously and NOBODY bit except Trump?

Watch out Pakistan we are bombing YOU next...and since we are targeting abuses of human rights then the Saudis are on deck following.

This is burying your head in a TDS sand dune.

https://isis-online.org/isis-reports/analysis-of-iaea-iran-verification-and-monitoring-report-may-2025

The International Atomic Energy Agency's report, May 31, 2025; 

• Iran can convert its current stock of 60 percent enriched uranium into 233 kg of WGU in three weeks at the Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant (FFEP), enough for 9 nuclear weapons, taken as 25 kg of weapon-grade uranium (WGU) per weapon.
• Iran could produce its first quantity of 25 kg of WGU in Fordow in as little as two to three days.
• Breaking out in both Fordow and the Natanz Fuel Enrichment Plant (FEP), the two facilities together could produce enough WGU for 11 nuclear weapons in the first month, enough for 15 nuclear weapons by the end of the second month, 19 by the end of the third month, 21 by the end of the fourth month, and 22 by the end of the fifth month.
• In front of the inspectors’ eyes, Iran is undertaking the near-final step of breaking out, now converting its 20 percent stock of enriched uranium into 60 percent enriched uranium at a greatly expanded rate, although this rate cannot be sustained much longer 

NOT CLASSIFIED, PUBLIC INFORMATION SINCE LAST JUNE. NOW, WHY 60% ENRICHED? FOR WHAT PURPOSE OTHER THAN NUCLEAR? 

WHY DO I GET THE FEELING YOU WANT IRAN TO HAVE NUKES? 

Iran could get a nuclear bomb within a few weeks or even less - even if you bombed them into oblivion - don’t know if you are aware - but they are allies with Russia (the biggest nuclear nation on the planet) and they are connected through the Caspian Sea - which is a seaway NATO has no control over 

@UNIMAN

 I love how I preface something precisely then you come in with your stupid TDS fallback nonsense anyway. I said I did not buy the Iraq "intel" and I do not buy this intel either. 

So instead of infantile name calling can you provide PROOF of your claim that warrants an invasion? Nuclear enrichment is not the measure for invasion unless you are actually going to go after the REAL threats using this lame measure. So are we invading all the countries that have uranium of any sort? Or is the real measure for invasion as we ALL KNOW that there is a direct, measurable and immediate threat to US SOIL... 

Lets not play stupid again for partisan agendas, Iraq was a lie, this is a lie. Trump is a carp who got suckered by Netty, that is the truth big guy.

Trump stupid withdrawal from 2015 Iran nuclear deal allows Iran to legally enrich uranium.  Even if Iran could enrich enough uranium for a nuclear weapon, US intelligence estimates construction of a deliverable nuclear weapon is years away.  International law allows war in self defense but Iran war is illegal because of no imminent threat.  Meanwhile Russia, US and Israel are seen as greater  threats in the world.  Polls show most Americans still disapprove of illegal and unnecessary war against Iran.

False: This claim mixes up cause and effect and misunderstands what the Iran deal did 'legally'.

@Raiders22

 That does not mean we invade even if Trumps obvious pullback from the agreement was to lay the ground work for Israel. Since when has the US invaded a country that had uranium sources but not a weapon OR not a weapon that could immediately and with verification strike US soil? This floppy lazy narrative the TNC is using is worse than Iraq to me given that we had terms in place and there was no valid reason for taking it from Defcon ZERO to Defcon 5 there is just nothing to support it. With Iraq the lies and fraud could not be verified we were just snookered by Bush, with this the flow of information is so much more dynamic and immediate that we can either prove or disprove.

So to me worst case even with taking your narrative to the extreme is to step up sanctions, insist on UN or even US (since some of your lot is anti UN) inspections and take things through proper international channels.

Why is it so hard for your side to just come out and admit that this is a fraud and is unjustified? We all know it and even you know it aside from debating just to debate. Trump got hooked and snowed and should be removed from office for this decision and he can take his clan and JD with him as well.