How can my fellow democrats not see what is happening

Quote Originally Posted by rooster010:

youre the one who cant answer cd's/mac's questions

 

vague generalities dont count

 

you answer mine first

I answered both. I have responded to CD's concerns over the plan on numerous occasions without response. The very summarical response is the costs of private insurance will continue to skyrocket, leading to more and more uninsured, which will lead to little if any preventative care, which will continue to increase the costs of insurance because more and more people will receive emergency care that will remain unpaid, leading to medical providers looking to compensate from those insured, and around and around we go.

I responsed to Macs statements by pointing out the current state of legal corruption within the private care system.

Neither of my responses was a ringing endorsement for the governments plan, outside of the fact that the plan calls for more preventative care than that which currently exists. Neither poster you mentioned has responded with any argument grounded in facts.

If you want to see the responses in detail, they are around.

Quote Originally Posted by be easy:

Well, I just lost a bet. I thought for sure that Be Easy was not capable of any post where he did not brag about his success despite education. I was wrong.

Quote Originally Posted by be easy:



Whatever happened in your personal life that has devolved you to such a miserable troll, i hope you get it worked out

there was a time when i bothered to read your posts, thinking there might be some semblance of substance,,,,lately you've brought yourself to the same level of those that whom you bash most round these parts,,,,,

and why does someone else's success bother you?  I'm always happy to hear that someone has done good for themselves,,,,,you know the issue that strikes the loudest chord with me is the state of housing in this country, because we all need shelter of sorts, and the gov't and their social engineering has really failed and hurt too many people.

As for your last paragraph, nothing could be further from the truth. We have both been around here long enough. I know your story--your success is a model, not a bother.

For the rest, what happened to the days around here when we upheld certain standards of posting? When lines were crossed, it did not matter of party or policy affiliation? The fact is the matter, when I am attacked, I am going to respond. I try to keep things issue centered (except with about 3 guys here), but I can be just as guilty of mixing it up as the next guy.

If someone said to you, you were lazy, lucky, lived off the govt. to achieve, I presume you would respond? Well, if someone calls me uneducated, I respond. Its just too bad that things have reached the point where we support the poster as long as we agree with them. It never used to be like that....

DJ. your so full of shit its not even funny.  I get a big charge out of you saying, you have repsonded to my concerns.  You my friend are clueless.

Heres my concerns, when they pass a public option, people who have good plans from their employers are going to be dropped so fast into the public plan, it wont be funny.  If you think employers are going to keep paying for health insurance when they simply can pay a fee to the govt and rid themselves of all the employees health costs, then you really are brain dead.  Me and my family are going to lose my very good health plan, so some lazy ass people like yourself can get another free handout from the govt.  Thats why am pissed, now do you understand.   I dont mind helping people at all, but when me and my family have to lose something that belongs to us which we earned, in order to get other people insurance, i get pissed off.  If the govt wants more money from me to help these people thats fine, but stay the way from the insurance plan i worked my whole life to earn.  I took less pay raises over the years in order to earn the health insurance i have and now i got to lose it because others didnt get off their asses and go earn their own.  Is the govt going to give me back all the pay raises i missed out on over the years?  I doubt it.  

SECONDY, I dont want the govt running the entire health care system, when they fail at every type of program they run.  All this big savings you think there will be, wont happen when the govt gets its paws on this stuff. Healthcare will probably become more expensive then the insurance companies, if the govt is running it.

This always happens with govt involvement in things they shouldnt be running.   The polticians will setup their family and friends with bloated govt healthcare jobs, at the expense of taxpayers.  How or why you believe the govt could run a system like this is mind boggling to me, especially when they fail at everything else they try.  You are just so brain washed now, you cant even think clearly anymore.    You keep living in that fantasy world where you believe govt run healthcare will be the answer.  But mark my words, you will be sorry you wished for this shit when it finally does happen.

Ph and please quit yapping about all this preventive health care bs, that you think will save so much money.  Hate to burst your bubble, but its not going to save any money because the truth is preventive health care starts in each and every ones own household.  You dont need to see a doctor to get preventive healthcare.  Instead start practicing basic preventive care every day, by watching what your eating, getting the proper exercise, proper sleep etc etc etc.  Maybe if people put the friggin big macs down and started eating healthy, they wouldnt have that many health problems to begin with.

Quote Originally Posted by esplanade:

I spoke to a guy from Ireland yesterday during the UFC, he was limping pretty badly and said that he needed a hip replacement. He had been placed on a waiting list THREE years ago and in the interim was given handfuls of pain meds. They told him his expected wait would be TEN yeah ten years!! He decided to get it done here.

Now that is exactly the type of system we need.

Thats exactly what all these far left liberal extremes just cant seem to understand.  They want to tear down the healthcare system in the world in order to copy other countries systems which are total failures.  These pro healthcare people just wont understand this, until it actually happens, then they will realize they made a huge mistake.

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"Making a point or comment based on someones sexual preference to disprove or belittle or lessen someones political opinions is a snoozer."

"Rather than try act like that, just keep on topic and win the political debates on content and merit, not using tactics like this and other diversionary antics."

Cashin, the public plan is going to be a piece of shit plan or else the politicians would have never made sure that they are not foreced into taking the plan for themselves.  If its going to be so great of a plan, then they would want it for themselves, which they dont.  That should tell you all you need to know about this plan.

Over 100 million people are predicted to lose their good health coverage, all in the name of helping people get health coverage, with the vast majority of them just lazy pieces of crap looking for another govt handout.  All i hear is aboy the rights of these uninsured people, well what about my rights, my families rights and all the other people in this country who are very happy with the health insurance we have?  Really what about our rights, which will be taken away at the expense of others.

They need to find a way to help these people that they want to help so badly, but in the process leave the rest of us a friggin alone.

Also, in dj's defense... this bashing on him is totally unwarrented.

I have not seen anything he's done as out of line.

Why are you guys so angry at him, I'd rather have a nation of rational, level headed lawyers south of us than the hate filled right wing garbage being forced at us here.

Props dj, if they're mad at you and attack you personally out of nowhere it's because they got nothing else left.

seriously are you living in a cave somewhere.

Let me explain it once again in this thread for you.

The govt keeps saying if you like your insurance you can keep it.  Well that statement is true but what they are failing to tell everybody is the part in the bill where your employer can pay a fee to the govt and your employer can throw you into the public plan, thus riding themselves of having to pay for their employess anymore.  Now if you think employers are going to keep paying employees insurance, when they dont have to anymore, you my friend are living in a real dream world.  Its in the bill, just like its in the bill where the politicians exclueded themselves from having to take this bullshit public plan.  Man Disco you had better wake up and start realizing what is taking place before its to late.  All you brainwashed dems are going to be sick when this shit goes down, mark my words on that one.