On this 4th of July ...what could be more fitting than adopting Rep. Andy Ogles (R-TN) request ?
He has formally requested that President Donald Trump likeness be considered for addition to Mount Rushmore, citing his historic leadership, sweeping achievements, and transformative impact on American history.
Rep. Ogles posted the announcement on X, declaring:
“I’m asking Secretary Burgum to put Trump on Mt. Rushmore.
The Department of the Interior owes the American people a full, fair, and transparent consideration of how best to commemorate presidential legacies of enduring consequence...............
In his official letter to Secretary Doug Burgum of the Department of the Interior, Ogles laid out a powerful case for the inclusion of Trump alongside Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, and Roosevelt.......Agree...
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On this 4th of July ...what could be more fitting than adopting Rep. Andy Ogles (R-TN) request ?
He has formally requested that President Donald Trump likeness be considered for addition to Mount Rushmore, citing his historic leadership, sweeping achievements, and transformative impact on American history.
Rep. Ogles posted the announcement on X, declaring:
“I’m asking Secretary Burgum to put Trump on Mt. Rushmore.
The Department of the Interior owes the American people a full, fair, and transparent consideration of how best to commemorate presidential legacies of enduring consequence...............
In his official letter to Secretary Doug Burgum of the Department of the Interior, Ogles laid out a powerful case for the inclusion of Trump alongside Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, and Roosevelt.......Agree...
notice that Washington's affiliation with party is not mentioned, but I have read he may have been Libertarian-ish
the other three are two Republicans and what would be a modern day Independent
point is if anyone is added to Mount Rushmore, it won't be a democrat. They like to destroy statues and history.
No past politician was perfect, nor will any future politician be perfect.
Does anyone think Lincoln was hated this much? He was the 1st Republican, is it possible there was a Lincoln Derangement Syndrome way back in the 1800s?
It's possible, the guy was executed. Man, this hatred from Liberals toward Republicans has some deep history
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notice that Washington's affiliation with party is not mentioned, but I have read he may have been Libertarian-ish
the other three are two Republicans and what would be a modern day Independent
point is if anyone is added to Mount Rushmore, it won't be a democrat. They like to destroy statues and history.
No past politician was perfect, nor will any future politician be perfect.
Does anyone think Lincoln was hated this much? He was the 1st Republican, is it possible there was a Lincoln Derangement Syndrome way back in the 1800s?
It's possible, the guy was executed. Man, this hatred from Liberals toward Republicans has some deep history
Does anyone think Lincoln was hated this much? He was the 1st Republican, is it possible there was a Lincoln Derangement Syndrome way back in the 1800s? It's possible, the guy was executed. Man, this hatred from Liberals toward Republicans has some deep history
Maybe that is rhetorical, but, absolutely he did. You can very easily make the argument he was reviled even more than Trump.
He was going to be assassinated going into Washington before the inauguration, so he had to be disguised and snuck in at night.
He was called all sorts of names and derided as unfit for the job -- and this was by papers in his own state.
Then afterwards he was labeled a dictator and various other names. He was criticized as unconstitutional and accused of fighting an Abolitionist War which they wanted to be a Union War. This was by the papers and folks in the North. His version of Never-Lincoln was much worse than the modern Never-Trumpers.
So, you can imagine the vitriol in the South and the opposing party.
There was tremendous pressure on him even to keep the Army together, especially after the desertions following the Emancipation Proclamation.
There were not really polls at the time. But if you use news articles and look at the blowouts in the mid-terms that went to the Democrat party, you can extrapolate that he may have had the lowest approval rating ever at the time.
The case can be made that he was the most isolated and alone President ever. His party did not support him, he had no friends in Congress, his own state's papers editors ripped his every move. There were complete riots all over about the draft and whites not wanting to work with blacks in New York City. This has been called 'The Greatest Insurgency' in American history. By the time Lincoln got troops there to quell things it had become the 'largest civil disturbance in American history'.
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Does anyone think Lincoln was hated this much? He was the 1st Republican, is it possible there was a Lincoln Derangement Syndrome way back in the 1800s? It's possible, the guy was executed. Man, this hatred from Liberals toward Republicans has some deep history
Maybe that is rhetorical, but, absolutely he did. You can very easily make the argument he was reviled even more than Trump.
He was going to be assassinated going into Washington before the inauguration, so he had to be disguised and snuck in at night.
He was called all sorts of names and derided as unfit for the job -- and this was by papers in his own state.
Then afterwards he was labeled a dictator and various other names. He was criticized as unconstitutional and accused of fighting an Abolitionist War which they wanted to be a Union War. This was by the papers and folks in the North. His version of Never-Lincoln was much worse than the modern Never-Trumpers.
So, you can imagine the vitriol in the South and the opposing party.
There was tremendous pressure on him even to keep the Army together, especially after the desertions following the Emancipation Proclamation.
There were not really polls at the time. But if you use news articles and look at the blowouts in the mid-terms that went to the Democrat party, you can extrapolate that he may have had the lowest approval rating ever at the time.
The case can be made that he was the most isolated and alone President ever. His party did not support him, he had no friends in Congress, his own state's papers editors ripped his every move. There were complete riots all over about the draft and whites not wanting to work with blacks in New York City. This has been called 'The Greatest Insurgency' in American history. By the time Lincoln got troops there to quell things it had become the 'largest civil disturbance in American history'.
Then came the victories at Gettysburg and Vicksburg. Then things turned a bit. Then various things went very badly for him and he sincerely felt he would lose reelection. Then investors began to bet against the Union and the price of gold shot up. The folks in his own party jumped all over this opportunity to kick him while he was down.
Then when news of Sherman's success through Georgia reached the North, there was a huge swing for Lincoln. Until that very point in time everyone accepted Lincoln's defeat to McClellan because they were war-weary and McClellan was running on peace no matter what needed to be conceded.
So, there is a strong parallel between the persecution of both Lincoln and Trump by their own party, the press, and certainly their opposing party.
Both certainly came at a very pivotal time in the country's history. Both were certainly the right man for the job at the time.
But whether Trump can get the things he wants to turn around accomplished enough to create a 'Gettysburg' or 'Vicksburg' type of victory and create a more unified atmosphere is very hard to say.
Whether there will be a modern-day 'Sherman's success' for Trump is hard to say.
The issue for Trump is compounded by having to handle more international things than Lincoln did.
But those two men had to have had the greatest fortitude of any Presidents to withstand the onslaughts they faced from every angle possible. Nearly anyone else would give up under that type of pressure.
Whether you like, or agree, with either man you really have to admire their vision and focus for what they wanted to do for the country.
It is amazing the parallel of adversity they both had to overcome just to get elected and then to succeed despite the opposition from all sides.
It is easy to see how some say there seemed to have been a Providential touch of sorts to even get those two men elected against all odds.
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Then came the victories at Gettysburg and Vicksburg. Then things turned a bit. Then various things went very badly for him and he sincerely felt he would lose reelection. Then investors began to bet against the Union and the price of gold shot up. The folks in his own party jumped all over this opportunity to kick him while he was down.
Then when news of Sherman's success through Georgia reached the North, there was a huge swing for Lincoln. Until that very point in time everyone accepted Lincoln's defeat to McClellan because they were war-weary and McClellan was running on peace no matter what needed to be conceded.
So, there is a strong parallel between the persecution of both Lincoln and Trump by their own party, the press, and certainly their opposing party.
Both certainly came at a very pivotal time in the country's history. Both were certainly the right man for the job at the time.
But whether Trump can get the things he wants to turn around accomplished enough to create a 'Gettysburg' or 'Vicksburg' type of victory and create a more unified atmosphere is very hard to say.
Whether there will be a modern-day 'Sherman's success' for Trump is hard to say.
The issue for Trump is compounded by having to handle more international things than Lincoln did.
But those two men had to have had the greatest fortitude of any Presidents to withstand the onslaughts they faced from every angle possible. Nearly anyone else would give up under that type of pressure.
Whether you like, or agree, with either man you really have to admire their vision and focus for what they wanted to do for the country.
It is amazing the parallel of adversity they both had to overcome just to get elected and then to succeed despite the opposition from all sides.
It is easy to see how some say there seemed to have been a Providential touch of sorts to even get those two men elected against all odds.
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