Hamas co-leader: Mosque must be built

I know you libs are SO MUCH SMARTER then us regular folk, but once in a while we are on the right side of an issue. 

Hilarious. You still don't get it. 

The funny part is that the President of your country is an illegal, and the Constitution forbids someone like him from being sworn in as President, yet you libs still cherry pick the Constitution to suit your agenda.  

Pathetic, yet scary. 

What happened to America?

Given that you view right wing extremists as good and everyone else as bad, I would suggest that you are utterly incapable of viewing a position from different perspectives. Its sad, really. I keep thinking that with each user name you come up with, that you will learn to understand the grey in the black/white world of yours. Not yet, I guess.

I find it funny that you use the word "cherry pick" in terms of the Constitution. It is what it is. if you want rights like the 2nd upheld absolutely, than you need to understand that the rights of others under the 1st will be upheld as well.

It doesn't matter if it is senstive or not. Guns rights enthusiasts use Columbine to support their agenda. KKK rallies have taken place in locations near funerals. Sensitivity is a mutually exclusive term from constitutionally sound.

Switching gears a bit: Insensitive thought for the day

I can see many Christians who identify with being an American first and foremost

Can we say the same thing about Muslims?

"I'm an American who just happens to be a Muslim" <----- that rings a bit hollow somehow

( I know, same thing happened in WWII when the Japanese were marched in camps. That was more of a systematic racist thing. It wasn't as if their faith came first )

If push really came to shove, where would most Muslim American's allegiences lie. With the State, or with their Religion?

I think the relevance is that judging any group based on the extremism of some of its members is problematic.

Exactly, just because you CAN DO SOMETHING, doesn't mean that YOU SHOULD, and this is the perfect example. Rational adults understand this concept.

Just for the record: that mosque WILL NEVER BE BUILT.

Take it to the bank.

No one can answer that with any form of factual support. What exactly is "push comes to shove" equated to? War? We are currently at war with two countries that have a Muslim majority. Is there a suggestion that Muslims, as a whole, have reacted in a specific way to these wars?

As many in this thread said, and Kaps last sentence sums it up nicely, "{u}nfortunately, this is all a result of ignorance and misunderstanding, as far too many associate Islam in any form with the radicalized, perverted form of Islam that the hijackers were following that day."

There are churches on the grounds of former concentration camps. When I visited them, guess the first place I went? Perhaps when Muslims visit Ground Zero, the first place they will go is the mosque where they can pray that future lost souls don't embrace extremism, just as I prayed that there will never be another genocide committed by in the name of a religion, or with the intention of removing an entire race or religion.

As I said about political correctness before, PC cannot be the judge of what is constituttional. War protestors at funerals, the KKK marches outside funerals, guns rights groups using Columbine, are all actions that I consider insensitive and certainly not PC. But the document should be the guide, not our subjective feelings of our sensitivities.

dj, I know exactly what you are saying - you can't pick and choose which parts of the Constitution to apply depending on PC. However, there could have been an opportunity for leadership from someone real high up here.

"I hold it to be fundamental that any group can practice its own religion. However, myself and many others, believe that the mosque is too close to ground zero, and wounds still have not healed. I respectfully ask the proposed builders of the Islamic Cultural Center to choose another site. Thank you."

Obama obviously wouldn't have said these words, because he flat out supported the mosque. But one President I could see saying something like that: Ronald Reagan. Asking nicely from the President. Let's say the center then gets moved 5 blocks away. No big deal off the nose of the Imam's, and a whole lot of good will going out to everyday Americans from the Muslim community.

Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:

Hey WSC, what's the odds on after the Mosque is built, a plane hijacked with extremist Christians will crash into it. I guess based on history you think it's possible.

Christians crashing a plane into a mosque?
Obama would have it shot down in a second

DA- I know what you are saying too.

Now I know you aren't the typical anti-Obama hyena that permeates this site. But you certainly understand that there is a distinction between saying "I support the Mosque" and "I support their right to build the Mosque" for which I am the latter. Obama's statement never lead me to believe he felt any differently and placing any form of qualification on that as an elected official is wrong since his job is to uphold the Constitution.

Could he have said what you stated above? Sure, and it would have been pandering to the element that is opposed to the Mosque. You cannot simulateously oppose their right to build the Mosque and believe in the Constitution. You can, however, believe that it is wrong to place a Mosque there. An understandable position, but not for one that is elected to uphold the Constitution.