The ruling stated that circumcising boys due to religion amounts to committing grievous bodily harm.
The ruling also stated that circumcision was not illegal if done for medical reasons.
These rulings were made by a lower court, so I'm certain this will be challenged. The ruling has gained global attention, and is another black mark for the country, in its long history of mistreatment of those who follow the Jewish religion.
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The ruling stated that circumcising boys due to religion amounts to committing grievous bodily harm.
The ruling also stated that circumcision was not illegal if done for medical reasons.
These rulings were made by a lower court, so I'm certain this will be challenged. The ruling has gained global attention, and is another black mark for the country, in its long history of mistreatment of those who follow the Jewish religion.
Estimates by the World Health Organization (WHO) suggest that 30 percent of males worldwide are circumcised
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Circumcision is most prevalent in the Muslim world
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United States
Statistics from different sources give widely varying estimates of infant circumcision rates in the United States.
In 2005, about 56 percent of male newborns were circumcised prior to release from the hospital according to statistics from the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality ######################################
So at a loss to see the big splash JEWISH thread title ?
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Estimates by the World Health Organization (WHO) suggest that 30 percent of males worldwide are circumcised
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Circumcision is most prevalent in the Muslim world
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United States
Statistics from different sources give widely varying estimates of infant circumcision rates in the United States.
In 2005, about 56 percent of male newborns were circumcised prior to release from the hospital according to statistics from the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality ######################################
So at a loss to see the big splash JEWISH thread title ?
What percentage of the Jewish faith circumcise their infant boys?
I'd guess around 95%.
I'm not sure how you claim this thread to be anti-semitic, I've posted many times of my admiration and support of the Jewish people.
As linked in the article, it appears that the most organized group who are affected by the German court ruling are those in the Jewish faith. I understand how this ruling also affects Muslims, but with Germany's recent history against those of Jewish faith, it could easily be argued that having the ruling against a Muslim family is simply a mask for a larger agenda.
Regardless of all of that, if the court rules that circumcision is an assault, I'm not certain how they can turn around and state that it's okay if done for medical reasons. This is an attack against both those of the Muslim and Jewish faiths.
Either circumcision should be an assault, or it should be allowed. It shouldn't depend on whether a family is claiming religious beliefs, or medical beliefs.
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What percentage of the Jewish faith circumcise their infant boys?
I'd guess around 95%.
I'm not sure how you claim this thread to be anti-semitic, I've posted many times of my admiration and support of the Jewish people.
As linked in the article, it appears that the most organized group who are affected by the German court ruling are those in the Jewish faith. I understand how this ruling also affects Muslims, but with Germany's recent history against those of Jewish faith, it could easily be argued that having the ruling against a Muslim family is simply a mask for a larger agenda.
Regardless of all of that, if the court rules that circumcision is an assault, I'm not certain how they can turn around and state that it's okay if done for medical reasons. This is an attack against both those of the Muslim and Jewish faiths.
Either circumcision should be an assault, or it should be allowed. It shouldn't depend on whether a family is claiming religious beliefs, or medical beliefs.
I don't know if it's anti-semitic, but it is illogical. What do they mean by medical reasons. Is there ever a situation or not where after a baby boy is born a circumcision is performed for specific medical reasons? I don't think so. Some think it's good medically, in general some don't. But it's not a case by case thing. So it really makes no sense.
As for the religious aspect, apparently Germany doesn't have freedom of religion in its Const. the way the U.S. does. I guess they're entitled to handle that how they wish.
In any case, it's pretty illogical on the one hand to say it's an assault and on the other to say that it can be performed on an infant for medical reasons. What kind of medical justification is necessary?
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I don't know if it's anti-semitic, but it is illogical. What do they mean by medical reasons. Is there ever a situation or not where after a baby boy is born a circumcision is performed for specific medical reasons? I don't think so. Some think it's good medically, in general some don't. But it's not a case by case thing. So it really makes no sense.
As for the religious aspect, apparently Germany doesn't have freedom of religion in its Const. the way the U.S. does. I guess they're entitled to handle that how they wish.
In any case, it's pretty illogical on the one hand to say it's an assault and on the other to say that it can be performed on an infant for medical reasons. What kind of medical justification is necessary?
I don't know if it's anti-semitic, but it is illogical. What do they mean by medical reasons. Is there ever a situation or not where after a baby boy is born a circumcision is performed for specific medical reasons? I don't think so. Some think it's good medically, in general some don't. But it's not a case by case thing. So it really makes no sense.
As for the religious aspect, apparently Germany doesn't have freedom of religion in its Const. the way the U.S. does. I guess they're entitled to handle that how they wish.
In any case, it's pretty illogical on the one hand to say it's an assault and on the other to say that it can be performed on an infant for medical reasons. What kind of medical justification is necessary?
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Quote Originally Posted by depeche2:
I don't know if it's anti-semitic, but it is illogical. What do they mean by medical reasons. Is there ever a situation or not where after a baby boy is born a circumcision is performed for specific medical reasons? I don't think so. Some think it's good medically, in general some don't. But it's not a case by case thing. So it really makes no sense.
As for the religious aspect, apparently Germany doesn't have freedom of religion in its Const. the way the U.S. does. I guess they're entitled to handle that how they wish.
In any case, it's pretty illogical on the one hand to say it's an assault and on the other to say that it can be performed on an infant for medical reasons. What kind of medical justification is necessary?
The ruling stated that circumcising boys due to religion amounts to committing grievous bodily harm.
The ruling also stated that circumcision was not illegal if done for medical reasons.
These rulings were made by a lower court, so I'm certain this will be challenged. The ruling has gained global attention, and is another black mark for the country, in its long history of mistreatment of those who follow the Jewish religion.
German court rules religious circumcision on boys an assault
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German court takes aim at the Jewish religion by ruling that religious circumcision is an assault
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Jewish community said trampled on parents' religious rights.
the Jewish community said it trampled on religious rights, ( refering to all religions) And the demographics show the Islamic population would be greater effected numerically #############################
The German Government did not take aim at the Jewish Religion, the ruling covered EVERY community.
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Your thread title was misleading . Period
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Quote Originally Posted by Renton:
Story here
The ruling stated that circumcising boys due to religion amounts to committing grievous bodily harm.
The ruling also stated that circumcision was not illegal if done for medical reasons.
These rulings were made by a lower court, so I'm certain this will be challenged. The ruling has gained global attention, and is another black mark for the country, in its long history of mistreatment of those who follow the Jewish religion.
German court rules religious circumcision on boys an assault
not
German court takes aim at the Jewish religion by ruling that religious circumcision is an assault
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Jewish community said trampled on parents' religious rights.
the Jewish community said it trampled on religious rights, ( refering to all religions) And the demographics show the Islamic population would be greater effected numerically #############################
The German Government did not take aim at the Jewish Religion, the ruling covered EVERY community.
Jewish and Muslim leaders were united on Wednesday in their
condemnation of a German court's decision to in effect outlaw the
circumcision of boys after a judge deemed that the religious practice
amounted to bodily harm.
Representatives of the two religious
communities called the ruling insensitive and discriminatory, saying it
was an attack on centuries of religious tradition.
Ali Demir, chairman of the Religious Community of Islam in Germany, said: "I find the ruling adversarial to the cause of integration and discriminatory against all the parties concerned."
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The World Health Organisation estimates that every third man is circumcised. Around 70% of them are Muslims, around 1% person.
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A thread title designed to mislead.
But failed to deceive those that followed tour link and actually read the article.
Top tip - read the link
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Guardian Wednesday 27 June 2012
Jewish and Muslim leaders were united on Wednesday in their
condemnation of a German court's decision to in effect outlaw the
circumcision of boys after a judge deemed that the religious practice
amounted to bodily harm.
Representatives of the two religious
communities called the ruling insensitive and discriminatory, saying it
was an attack on centuries of religious tradition.
Ali Demir, chairman of the Religious Community of Islam in Germany, said: "I find the ruling adversarial to the cause of integration and discriminatory against all the parties concerned."
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The World Health Organisation estimates that every third man is circumcised. Around 70% of them are Muslims, around 1% person.
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A thread title designed to mislead.
But failed to deceive those that followed tour link and actually read the article.
I don't know if it's anti-semitic, but it is illogical. What do they mean by medical reasons. Is there ever a situation or not where after a baby boy is born a circumcision is performed for specific medical reasons? I don't think so. Some think it's good medically, in general some don't. But it's not a case by case thing. So it really makes no sense.
As for the religious aspect, apparently Germany doesn't have freedom of religion in its Const. the way the U.S. does. I guess they're entitled to handle that how they wish.
In any case, it's pretty illogical on the one hand to say it's an assault and on the other to say that it can be performed on an infant for medical reasons. What kind of medical justification is necessary?
If someone were to come from another planet and we tried to explain to them circumcision... they would simply call it medically unnecessary genital mutilation.. similar to horrific genital mutilation practices in Africa that we are outraged by...
God created man in his own image... and some how people want to "perfect" god's work in the name of religion
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Quote Originally Posted by depeche2:
I don't know if it's anti-semitic, but it is illogical. What do they mean by medical reasons. Is there ever a situation or not where after a baby boy is born a circumcision is performed for specific medical reasons? I don't think so. Some think it's good medically, in general some don't. But it's not a case by case thing. So it really makes no sense.
As for the religious aspect, apparently Germany doesn't have freedom of religion in its Const. the way the U.S. does. I guess they're entitled to handle that how they wish.
In any case, it's pretty illogical on the one hand to say it's an assault and on the other to say that it can be performed on an infant for medical reasons. What kind of medical justification is necessary?
If someone were to come from another planet and we tried to explain to them circumcision... they would simply call it medically unnecessary genital mutilation.. similar to horrific genital mutilation practices in Africa that we are outraged by...
God created man in his own image... and some how people want to "perfect" god's work in the name of religion
If someone were to come from another planet and we tried to explain to them circumcision... they would simply call it medically unnecessary genital mutilation.. similar to horrific genital mutilation practices in Africa that we are outraged by...
God created man in his own image... and some how people want to "perfect" god's work in the name of religion
Good point. There is certainly no medical justification. Those that say otherwise are just propagating their own religious beliefs. I would be interested to know if there is any correlation between ED and circumcision. I think it could certainly play a factor.
Anyways, I like the ruling. I see circumcision as a sort of forced religious indoctrination and I support any measure that weakens this system of institutionalized mind/thought control.
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Quote Originally Posted by dl36:
If someone were to come from another planet and we tried to explain to them circumcision... they would simply call it medically unnecessary genital mutilation.. similar to horrific genital mutilation practices in Africa that we are outraged by...
God created man in his own image... and some how people want to "perfect" god's work in the name of religion
Good point. There is certainly no medical justification. Those that say otherwise are just propagating their own religious beliefs. I would be interested to know if there is any correlation between ED and circumcision. I think it could certainly play a factor.
Anyways, I like the ruling. I see circumcision as a sort of forced religious indoctrination and I support any measure that weakens this system of institutionalized mind/thought control.
Good point. There is certainly no medical justification. Those that say otherwise are just propagating their own religious beliefs. I would be interested to know if there is any correlation between ED and circumcision. I think it could certainly play a factor.
Anyways, I like the ruling. I see circumcision as a sort of forced religious indoctrination and I support any measure that weakens this system of institutionalized mind/thought control.
there are some medical justifications, so misleading to say no medical justification
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Quote Originally Posted by slikstiks99:
Good point. There is certainly no medical justification. Those that say otherwise are just propagating their own religious beliefs. I would be interested to know if there is any correlation between ED and circumcision. I think it could certainly play a factor.
Anyways, I like the ruling. I see circumcision as a sort of forced religious indoctrination and I support any measure that weakens this system of institutionalized mind/thought control.
there are some medical justifications, so misleading to say no medical justification
why would a German Government attack a minority of 200,000
this further ridicules the inaccurate title quote of this thread.
what ever you tried to do it failed... and you end up looking like this guy, completely clueless to why people of Jewish faith may not want to live in germany...
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Quote Originally Posted by BMA:
not really
why would a German Government attack a minority of 200,000
this further ridicules the inaccurate title quote of this thread.
what ever you tried to do it failed... and you end up looking like this guy, completely clueless to why people of Jewish faith may not want to live in germany...
A widely criticized German court verdict on religious circumcision this week aims only to delay the act, not ban it, and is not directed against any faith, a jurist with a leading role in the legal debate said on Friday.
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Reuters
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Jun.29, 2012 | 6:45 PM
A widely criticized German court verdict on religious circumcision this week aims only to delay the act, not ban it, and is not directed against any faith, a jurist with a leading role in the legal debate said on Friday.
Jewish, Muslim, Catholic and Protestant leaders in Germany denounced the
ruling as a serious intrusion on religious freedom. Even Germany's
foreign minister spoke out, saying such faith traditions must be allowed
in a tolerant modern society.
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By
Reuters
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Jun.29, 2012 | 6:45 PM
Jewish, Muslim, Catholic and Protestant leaders in Germany denounced the
ruling as a serious intrusion on religious freedom. Even Germany's
foreign minister spoke out, saying such faith traditions must be allowed
in a tolerant modern society.
and next you will claim to be a doctor right?
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