Covid-19 Good And Bad

The disinformation you put out inside Covers needs to be stopped. You are a disinformation machine who does nobody any good! If you are a human being. Please enjoy your next 2 boosters!

World Health Organization. 

Protective behavior didn't decline much after Biden announced that vaccinated adults need not wear masks or physical distance according to Goldszmidt study published in JAMA network.  Generally, vaccinated people didn't engage in concerning levels of risk compensation as they acquire immunity.

Unvaccinated people are always at higher risk of infection.  However vaccinated people have lower infection rates when they interact with both vaccinated and unvaccinated people according to University of Toronto study published in Canadian medical journal.

Funny you have previously quoted Chinese COVID numbers and now have "experts" who question India.

You really danced all around my post with word salad. 

All they read is lies and disinformation from the very corrupt media and traitors in our government

Russia Russia

The lap top

Almost everything JoeXi says is a lie

and they believe every word.

some of these clowns can't pay their bills each week and still believe their wages went up while prices went down.

Fools

So, yes, I urge you democrats to please keep taking every shot they give you and booster up

You believe each and every 'study' they put out

even after being proven wrong or a direct lie...you still believe the very next piece of BS they want you to believe

It's truly 'breathtaking"

He/she/they are not so don't worry about the boosters..... THIRD was the original CHATgpt bot in beta form long before the official AI was released 

I got boxed for talking about AI users in the past but here we are, years later and AI has infiltrated all social media platforms and AI created users cannot be differentiated from real human users.  The world of social media will never be the same.... 

@ THIRD....please check with your contacts at the FBI to fact check the Director of the FBI's following statement on the originals of COVID.  This was previously such a huge conspiracy that anyone who dared question the origins of covid, other than zoonotic, need be locked away in the right wing extremist looney bin.  

FBI Director Wray acknowledges bureau assessment that Covid-19 likely resulted from lab incident

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/28/politics/wray-fbi-covid-origins-lab-china/index.html

 FBI Director Christopher Wray on Tuesday acknowledged that the bureau believes the Covid-19 pandemic was likely the result of a lab accident in Wuhan, China.

In his first public comments on the FBI’s investigation into the virus’ origins during an interview with Fox News, Wray said that “the FBI has for quite some time now assessed that the origins of the pandemic are most likely a potential lab incident in Wuhan.”

Wray said in the interview that the FBI has a team of experts who focus specifically on the risk of biological threats that come into the “wrong hands,” including by a “hostile nation state.”

“You’re talking about a potential leak from a Chinese government-controlled lab that killed millions of Americans,” Wray said of the coronavirus, “and that’s precisely what that capability was designed for.”

Wray said that most details of the FBI’s investigation remain classified, and that it has been difficult to work with the Chinese government on investigating the pandemic’s origin.

“I will just make the observation that the Chinese government, it seems to me, has been doing its best to try to thwart and obfuscate the work here,” the bureau director said. “The work that our US government and close foreign partners are doing. And that’s unfortunate for everybody.”

The Office of the Director of National Intelligence issued a 2021 report that revealed the National Intelligence Council, along with four other unidentified agencies, assessed with low confidence that the initial Covid-19 infection “was most likely caused by natural exposure to an animal infected with it or a close progenitor virus.”

Intelligence agencies can make assessments with either low, medium or high confidence. A low confidence assessment generally means that the information obtained is not reliable enough or is too fragmented to make a more definitive analytic judgment or that there is not enough information available to draw a more robust conclusion.

There is no consensus in US government on the origin of the pandemic.  FBI has moderate confidence while energy department has low confidence in lab leak theory.  But 4 other departments judge that the pandemic was likely the result of natural origin similar to all pandemics in the past.  Scientists are the most qualified people for this type of investigation.  They still point out no scientific evidence for lab leak theory.  Even FBI didn't release any new evidence.  Worldwide, scientific consensus still favors natural origin of pandemic because of strong evidences.  Ultimately, science is determined by overwhelming evidences worldwide.

Bottom line: NO PROOF one way or the other, although it is logical that the scientific community is far more qualified than our top law enforcement agency which the right has basically condemned as incompetent.

@thirdperson

 Yes 3rd....I'm sure the US intelligence services; NSA, CIA, FBI have no resources inside the scientific community 

 And if you guys & gals think there is "no proof" out there then you have your head stuck in the sand as usual since Spring 2020....it is all out there, get outside your little boxes and learn what the reality of the world is around you. 

There is no point in arguing, all I can say is try and better yourselves.  Educate, enlighten...be better.  Godspeed.  

Personally, the timing of the FBI comments is quite suspect.  You radicals love to point out when the FBI is full of it and shouldn't be trusted but then when the narrative goes in your favor you're out there touting it's greatness (like when FBI has been weaponized vs. parental rights within school districts for example or everyone's favorite, Hunter's laptop report)  

Always the double standard though so no surprise here....carry on sheep.... 

If there is proof of lab leak origin, why not share it with us?  National academy of sciences say no scientific data exist to support a lab leak of SARS-covid-2. 

@thirdperson

 I could....perhaps I will....If Wally lets me create a different thread solely on the origins of covid, and doesn't Box it because there is already "this" covid thread, then I will use it only to drop sources of information in.  Everyone can read for themselves and make their own educated decisions on IF covid is a engineered virus OR it is a natural occuring zoonotic virus.  

No politics involved in the thread.  Only scientific resources or articles that link said resources.  

Sounds like a deal 3rd???  

@wallstreetcappers can we allow this???  

March 12, 2020, Tucker Carlson discusses researchers at China's South China's University of Technology who wrote a paper on COVID most likely coming from Wuhan Lab. That paper was scrubbed off the internet and the researchers not heard from again. Sure glad Fox News was ahead of everyone else and not buying stupid naratives!

Scrubbing the paper and researchers, kind of reminds me of Twitter, Google, and YouTube before the 2020 election. 

"Chinese scientists believe the deadly coronavirus may have started life in a research facility just 300 yards from the Wuhan fish market.

A new bombshell paper from the Beijing-sponsored South China University of Technology says that the Wuhan Centre for Disease Control (WHCDC) could have spawned the contagion in Hubei province.

'The possible origins of 2019-nCoV coronavirus,' penned by scholars Botao Xiao and Lei Xiao claims the WHCDC kept disease-ridden animals in laboratories, including 605 bats. It also mentions that bats - which are linked to coronavirus - once attacked a researcher and 'blood of bat was on his skin.'

The report says: 'Genome sequences from patients were 96% or 89% identical to the Bat CoV ZC45 coronavirus originally found in Rhinolophus affinis (intermediate horseshoe bat).'

It describes how the only native bats are found around 600 miles away from the Wuhan seafood market and that the probability of bats flying from Yunnan and Zhejiang provinces was minimal."

@UNIMAN

 If anyone read the Twitter files, which from this sub forum I know exactly who DIDN'T read them, then they would know the FBI & CIA just six months ago were censoring the lab leak hypothesis via a special portal created for the FBI by twitter (pre-Elon)

...and now the Director comes out with this news....suspect any 

A top House Democrat signaled Wednesday that his party will not support a bill to declassify information related to the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic, after the Department of Energy (DOE) and FBI Director Christopher Wray said this week the virus "most likely" arose from a lab leak in China.

There are 24,642,757 square miles of land inhabited by humans. A mutated virus rises up in the same square mile from where it's origin virus is being experimented on.

Why was there ever a doubt??? So silly.

There is no proof.      Only speculation from some people.

But regardless which way it might be eventually **PROVEN** if ever, it will never excuse  "adolf" trump and the republicans from failing to properly defend our nation

yep                bottom line                 no proof

guessing and opinions having been expressed a billion times already     but still no proof

this should be a dead issue ,except for those who r intent on advancing trumpism

we will have to keep repeating this fact  by the looks of it as long as the members of the "election deniers club" persistwith conspiracy theories that r not proven in fact

Bat coronaviruses are different from SARS-cov-2.  There is no evidence that any lab has SAR-COV-2 or a plausible ancestor virus before start of pandemic.  Flawed lab leak theory leaves out some important details.  First, viruses can emerge large distances from the site of their initial spillover or in cities far away from bat populations.  Secondly, not unusual for Wuhan lab to be located near a market.  Most major Chinese cities have coronavirus labs.  Third, SARS-cov-2 probably didn't come directly from a bat but from an intermediate wildlife host.

https://www.ccn.com/bombshell-chinese-study-fuels-conspiracy-coronavirus-bioweapon/

According to the U.S. Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the institute is China’s first Biosafety Level 4 Lab that researches “the most dangerous pathogens.”

It was CNN I was quoting. 

-------("Most major Chinese cities have coronavirus labs." YOU LIED, prove me wrong.)

https://theconversation.com/fifty-nine-labs-around-world-handle-the-deadliest-pathogens-only-a-quarter-score-high-on-safety-161777

The focal point of this lab-leak discussion is the Wuhan Institute of Virology, nestled in the hilly outskirts of Wuhan. It is just one of 59 maximum containment labs in operation, under construction or planned around the world.

You are all betting on a lottery ticket, a 24 million to one shot. So foolish!!!

Where's Wally???  Still looking for my permission to not be Boxed...

The Freedom of Information Act has provided a wealth of documents, emails and correspondences that all point in one direction.  You all are big people, go out and read up on it yourselves.... I'm not saying anything other than educate and make your own informed decisions.  

EcoHealth Alliance

NIH - National Institute Health Alliance

Fauci 

Peter Daszak 

Kristian Andersen 

....bread crumbs to nibble on.

There is this term called circumstantial evidence.  There is a shit ton of it that all points in one direction.  You know what there's not a lot (or any) circumstantial evidence on?  Natural occuring phenomena. 

Occam's Razor... look it up.  

The initial email correspondences amongst 6-7 scientists who were the first privileged to see / research the virus in 2020.  Initially they were split 50/50 in whether it could be lab engineered or naturally occurring.  Within days of corresponding with Fauci all of them had changed their tune to naturally occurring.  They were handsomely rewarded with massive funding increases through the NIH and Ecohealth....all public record of course.   

peace out.  

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"Stewart screamed that scientists were going to “kill us all,” shouting obscenities as he condemned “logic” and promoted a fascist conspiracy theory."

Only cult followers could have such closed minds.

"Real Time" host Bill Maher took a victory lap on Friday on behalf of all COVID "dissenters" like himself throughout the course of the pandemic. 

Following the revelations that U.S. government agencies like the FBI and the Energy Department are endorsing the COVID lab-leak theory and studies that show the effectiveness of natural immunity and the ineffectiveness of mask-wearing and lockdowns, Maher suggested a large swath of Americans should feel vindicated. 

"I feel like the people who were the dissenters are looking pretty good. I was one of them," Maher said during a panel discussion. "I remember getting a lot of s--- from a lot of places."

Maher scoffed at January 2021 Daily Beast headline that read "Bill Maher Pushes Steve Bannon Wuhan Lab COVID Conspiracy."

"Yeah, it was just Steve Bannon," Maher sarcastically reiterated. "Well, it was, you know, the former head of the CDC, it's the FBI, it's the Energy Department." 

"We don't know. Like I said, we shouldn't politicize it. But would you agree that the dissenters are looking better these days?" Maher asked. 

Funny how the cloud of stupidity begins to finally clear after three years for some. Amazing what Trump hating cult members will believe.

National academy of sciences reveals that China established these labs after multiple spillovers of first SARS-cov during 2002 to 2004.  According to wikipedia, central to lab leak theory is the proximity of virus outbreak to a virology lab that studies coronavirus.  This is a misconception.  Most large cities have labs that study coronaviruses.  If a outbreak occurs in China, there is high probability it will occur near a large city and therefore near a lab studying coronaviruses.