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    Clinton’s frustration grows, as primary race drags on

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    Posted: Apr. 3, 2016 - 11:15 AM ET #1

    Hillary Clinton snapped at a protester from the Greenpeace environmental group. She linked Democratic rival Bernie Sanders and conservative tea party Republicans. And she bristled with anger when nearly two dozen Sanders supporters marched out of an event near her home outside New York City, shouting “if she wins, we lose”.

    “They don’t want to listen to anyone else,” she shot back. “We actually have to do something. Not just complain about what is happening.”

    After a year of campaigning, months of debates and 35 primary elections, Sanders is finally getting under Clinton’s skin in the Democratic presidential race.

    Clinton has spent weeks largely ignoring Sanders and trying to focus on Republican front runner Donald Trump. Now, after several primary losses and with a tough fight in New York on the horizon later this month, Clinton is showing flashes of frustration with the Vermont senator – irritation that could undermine her efforts to unite the party around her candidacy.

    According to Democrats close to Hillary and former President Bill Clinton, both are frustrated by Sanders’ ability to cast himself as above politics-as-usual even while firing off what they consider to be misleading attacks. The Clintons are even more annoyed that Sanders’ approach seems to be rallying – and keeping – young voters by his side.

    While Hillary Clinton’s team contends her lock on the nomination is “nearly insurmountable”, the campaign frequently grumbles that Sanders hasn’t faced the same level of scrutiny as the former secretary of state, New York senator and first lady. Her aides complain about Sanders’ rhetoric, claiming he’s broken his pledge to avoid character attacks by going after her paid speeches and ties to Wall Street, and they point to scenes of Sanders supporters booing Clinton’s name at his rallies.

    Actress Rosario Dawson’s 15-minute speech at a New York City rally on Thursday, in which she rallied the crowd by crying “shame on you, Hillary” and noted that Clinton could soon face an FBI interview over the use of a private email server while at the State Department, underscored the growing tensions between the campaigns.

    Clinton hopes that big victories in New York on April 19 and five Northeastern states a week later will allow her to wrap up the nomination by the end of the month.

    But aides acknowledge that Sanders, who has raised US$109 million this year and has pledged to take his campaign to the party convention in July, is unlikely to feel significant political or financial pressure to drop out of the race, even if it becomes clear he cannot win the nomination.

    Clinton stayed in the 2008 contest against Barack Obama until the bitter end, though her initial advantage with super-delegates, who later flipped to the Illinois senator, gave her a stronger case for the nomination.

    Unlike eight years ago, when California Senator Dianne Feinstein brought Clinton and Obama together for a meeting, few Democrats are in position to broker peace between Clinton and Sanders. For most of his political career, Sanders, a self-described democratic socialist, identified as an independent – not a Democrat – leaving him with far weaker ties to party power brokers. Sanders has pledged to support Clinton if she’s the nominee.

    According to an Associated Press analysis, Sanders must win 67 per cent of the remaining delegates and uncommitted super-delegates –party leaders and officials who can support any candidate – through June to be able to clinch the Democratic nomination. So far he’s only winning 37 per cent.

    Joel Benenson, Clinton’s chief strategist, said: “We’re going to get to a point at the end of April where there just isn’t enough real estate for him to overcome the lead that we’ve built.”

    Still, any kind of truce is probably weeks, if not months, away.

    For now, Sanders is costing Clinton significant time, money and political capital. His victories in recent Western caucuses underscored her weaknesses among younger and white working-class voters, important elements of the Democratic coalition. He’s favoured in the Wisconsin primary on Tuesday.

    Sanders is drawing sizable crowds in New York, attracting 18,500 to a rally in the South Bronx on Thursday. A victory in that state, which Clinton represented for two terms in the Senate, would deal a significant psychological blow to her campaign, rattling Democrats already worried about her high national disapproval ratings.

    Clinton is more reliant on traditional fundraising than is Sanders, who’s raised the bulk of his money online in small donations. Even as she prepares for New York’s primary, she has scheduled fundraisers before then in Denver, Virginia, Miami and Los Angeles – at the home of actor George Clooney.

    She needs to continue raising primary dollars because June contests in California and New Jersey will be expensive. Sanders faces fewer financial anxieties.

    Sanders adviser Tad Devine said the senator was not encouraging his supporters to disrupt Clinton’s events and was focused on his own message. But he also said the campaign would respond when Clinton mischaracterises Sanders’ record and positions.

    Her attacks, he said, only help Sanders.

    “When your attacks against your opponent feed the biggest weakness that you have, you are undermining yourself,” said Devine.

    https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states/article/1933159/clintons-frustration-grows-primary-race-drags


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    Hillary Clinton snapped at a protester from the Greenpeace environmental group. She linked Democratic rival Bernie Sanders and conservative tea party Republicans. And she bristled with anger when nearly two dozen Sanders supporters marched out of an event near her home outside New York City, shouting “if she wins, we lose”.

    “They don’t want to listen to anyone else,” she shot back. “We actually have to do something. Not just complain about what is happening.”

    After a year of campaigning, months of debates and 35 primary elections, Sanders is finally getting under Clinton’s skin in the Democratic presidential race.

    Clinton has spent weeks largely ignoring Sanders and trying to focus on Republican front runner Donald Trump. Now, after several primary losses and with a tough fight in New York on the horizon later this month, Clinton is showing flashes of frustration with the Vermont senator – irritation that could undermine her efforts to unite the party around her candidacy.

    According to Democrats close to Hillary and former President Bill Clinton, both are frustrated by Sanders’ ability to cast himself as above politics-as-usual even while firing off what they consider to be misleading attacks. The Clintons are even more annoyed that Sanders’ approach seems to be rallying – and keeping – young voters by his side.

    While Hillary Clinton’s team contends her lock on the nomination is “nearly insurmountable”, the campaign frequently grumbles that Sanders hasn’t faced the same level of scrutiny as the former secretary of state, New York senator and first lady. Her aides complain about Sanders’ rhetoric, claiming he’s broken his pledge to avoid character attacks by going after her paid speeches and ties to Wall Street, and they point to scenes of Sanders supporters booing Clinton’s name at his rallies.

    Actress Rosario Dawson’s 15-minute speech at a New York City rally on Thursday, in which she rallied the crowd by crying “shame on you, Hillary” and noted that Clinton could soon face an FBI interview over the use of a private email server while at the State Department, underscored the growing tensions between the campaigns.

    Clinton hopes that big victories in New York on April 19 and five Northeastern states a week later will allow her to wrap up the nomination by the end of the month.

    But aides acknowledge that Sanders, who has raised US$109 million this year and has pledged to take his campaign to the party convention in July, is unlikely to feel significant political or financial pressure to drop out of the race, even if it becomes clear he cannot win the nomination.

    Clinton stayed in the 2008 contest against Barack Obama until the bitter end, though her initial advantage with super-delegates, who later flipped to the Illinois senator, gave her a stronger case for the nomination.

    Unlike eight years ago, when California Senator Dianne Feinstein brought Clinton and Obama together for a meeting, few Democrats are in position to broker peace between Clinton and Sanders. For most of his political career, Sanders, a self-described democratic socialist, identified as an independent – not a Democrat – leaving him with far weaker ties to party power brokers. Sanders has pledged to support Clinton if she’s the nominee.

    According to an Associated Press analysis, Sanders must win 67 per cent of the remaining delegates and uncommitted super-delegates –party leaders and officials who can support any candidate – through June to be able to clinch the Democratic nomination. So far he’s only winning 37 per cent.

    Joel Benenson, Clinton’s chief strategist, said: “We’re going to get to a point at the end of April where there just isn’t enough real estate for him to overcome the lead that we’ve built.”

    Still, any kind of truce is probably weeks, if not months, away.

    For now, Sanders is costing Clinton significant time, money and political capital. His victories in recent Western caucuses underscored her weaknesses among younger and white working-class voters, important elements of the Democratic coalition. He’s favoured in the Wisconsin primary on Tuesday.

    Sanders is drawing sizable crowds in New York, attracting 18,500 to a rally in the South Bronx on Thursday. A victory in that state, which Clinton represented for two terms in the Senate, would deal a significant psychological blow to her campaign, rattling Democrats already worried about her high national disapproval ratings.

    Clinton is more reliant on traditional fundraising than is Sanders, who’s raised the bulk of his money online in small donations. Even as she prepares for New York’s primary, she has scheduled fundraisers before then in Denver, Virginia, Miami and Los Angeles – at the home of actor George Clooney.

    She needs to continue raising primary dollars because June contests in California and New Jersey will be expensive. Sanders faces fewer financial anxieties.

    Sanders adviser Tad Devine said the senator was not encouraging his supporters to disrupt Clinton’s events and was focused on his own message. But he also said the campaign would respond when Clinton mischaracterises Sanders’ record and positions.

    Her attacks, he said, only help Sanders.

    “When your attacks against your opponent feed the biggest weakness that you have, you are undermining yourself,” said Devine.

    https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states/article/1933159/clintons-frustration-grows-primary-race-drags


     
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    Posted: Apr. 3, 2016 - 11:15 AM ET #2

    If she wins, we lose. What, exactly? Pride? Because she and Sanders are literally the same person. He's not pedaling anything new. I understand that a lot of Sanders' supporters suffer from myopia but he's never been this progressive hero. He's not standing on a mountain, bathed in sunlight ascending down from the heavens, looking down on his denziens in Revolution. Additionally, just like with much everything else they try to sell, the Greenpeace accusation has been proven false. So being a person and having someone should falsehoods at you without you being able to do much anthing about it is going to be frustrating. But she didn't lose her cool. When did strongly worded defense of one's self become snapping at someone? This Tumblr generation - the internet generation - needs to take a seat.

                     
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    If she wins, we lose. What, exactly? Pride? Because she and Sanders are literally the same person. He's not pedaling anything new. I understand that a lot of Sanders' supporters suffer from myopia but he's never been this progressive hero. He's not standing on a mountain, bathed in sunlight ascending down from the heavens, looking down on his denziens in Revolution. Additionally, just like with much everything else they try to sell, the Greenpeace accusation has been proven false. So being a person and having someone should falsehoods at you without you being able to do much anthing about it is going to be frustrating. But she didn't lose her cool. When did strongly worded defense of one's self become snapping at someone? This Tumblr generation - the internet generation - needs to take a seat.

                     
     
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    Posted: Apr. 3, 2016 - 11:32 AM ET #3

    She is by far the most connected candidate left in the race. If she wins, it will be more of the same: open unprotected borders, outsourcing of jobs, trade deals that favor China and other countries, further defense spending, regime changing and nation building; extended corporate welfare, loads of leftist legislation.
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    She is by far the most connected candidate left in the race. If she wins, it will be more of the same: open unprotected borders, outsourcing of jobs, trade deals that favor China and other countries, further defense spending, regime changing and nation building; extended corporate welfare, loads of leftist legislation.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 3, 2016 - 4:39 PM ET #4

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    QUOTE Originally Posted by dl36:

    The wacko view of this non-American is interesting.  Maybe they will leave America and come to your country 

    First it was his infatuation with "biker"s now it looks like he has gone Perez Hilton and is reporting on celebrities. 

    Hard to think This thread will embarrass zelo worse than the biker thread but it's probably bad enough that the "usual suspects" should be jumping in soon to agree with him and bail him out 





    They have to bail him out because zelo is only capable of cut & paste and has no original thoughts of his own   

    you are a idiot!!!     

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    BWS77

    QUOTE Originally Posted by dl36:

    The wacko view of this non-American is interesting.  Maybe they will leave America and come to your country 

    First it was his infatuation with "biker"s now it looks like he has gone Perez Hilton and is reporting on celebrities. 

    Hard to think This thread will embarrass zelo worse than the biker thread but it's probably bad enough that the "usual suspects" should be jumping in soon to agree with him and bail him out 





    They have to bail him out because zelo is only capable of cut & paste and has no original thoughts of his own   

    you are a idiot!!!     

     
     
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    Posted: Apr. 3, 2016 - 5:45 PM ET #5

    Huh?  

    Wow this got weird.:.  You're quoting things on this thread that I never said.  It's funny when these wacko nutjob aliases start to lose it and don't know up from down and who is who. 

    Sad really.  Looks like he's going to need some help from the usually suspects.  We all know happens next 
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    Huh?  

    Wow this got weird.:.  You're quoting things on this thread that I never said.  It's funny when these wacko nutjob aliases start to lose it and don't know up from down and who is who. 

    Sad really.  Looks like he's going to need some help from the usually suspects.  We all know happens next 
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