MAGA Republicans [ie, radical-partisans] are 30 points more likely than non-MAGA Republicans to say they strongly approve of [trump's] decision to [ignore Congress and] take military action and nearly 50 points more likely to say they have a great deal of trust in Trump to make the right decisions about US use of force in Iran.
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MAGA Republicans [ie, radical-partisans] are 30 points more likely than non-MAGA Republicans to say they strongly approve of [trump's] decision to [ignore Congress and] take military action and nearly 50 points more likely to say they have a great deal of trust in Trump to make the right decisions about US use of force in Iran.
And how many of those would you say actually know that congress is not needed for a President to take initial military action?? I mean, even those opposed don't even know the rules, which is astonishing....everyone of those Presidents now, and in the past, did so based on the intelligence they had at the time, even those President's that you supported......
To talk about congress not being involved or voting before any executive power is used in military activity is a very weak point. It's so weak and so misguided that it's almost comical. This is one of the acts that a President has that no one has control over. It just is what it is and there should be nothing to complain or dispute about it. Both Republican and Democrat Presidents have done the same in the past. You and I don't have to like it, but there is nothing against the law to say otherwise.
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And how many of those would you say actually know that congress is not needed for a President to take initial military action?? I mean, even those opposed don't even know the rules, which is astonishing....everyone of those Presidents now, and in the past, did so based on the intelligence they had at the time, even those President's that you supported......
To talk about congress not being involved or voting before any executive power is used in military activity is a very weak point. It's so weak and so misguided that it's almost comical. This is one of the acts that a President has that no one has control over. It just is what it is and there should be nothing to complain or dispute about it. Both Republican and Democrat Presidents have done the same in the past. You and I don't have to like it, but there is nothing against the law to say otherwise.
@Rush51 "Biden release of billions for Iran" There was no direct payment from US government. Instead frozen Iranian assets held in foreign banks were released for humanitarian purposes according to Center for arms control.
This is 100% correct, the funds used to gain hostages came from funds the US held back from decades prior agreements with Iran, it was their money. It sounds better to say Obama paid for hostages and pallets of cash blah blah blah stupid stuff versus giving back to Iran something that was theirs in exchange for hostages we wanted.
Pretty solid intelligent move by Obama.
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Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
@Rush51 "Biden release of billions for Iran" There was no direct payment from US government. Instead frozen Iranian assets held in foreign banks were released for humanitarian purposes according to Center for arms control.
This is 100% correct, the funds used to gain hostages came from funds the US held back from decades prior agreements with Iran, it was their money. It sounds better to say Obama paid for hostages and pallets of cash blah blah blah stupid stuff versus giving back to Iran something that was theirs in exchange for hostages we wanted.
Well you are going to throw shade on Trump as you always do but how about you answer the question, at what point given the constitution and framework of our government creates checks and balances which keeps fascism allegedly out of the hands of one person so the framework gives congress the responsibility as you well know and where do you draw the line to when this framework is valid and when the shade you are throwing on a fascist Trump over and over takes liberties which bypass our framework and constitution?
Do we have a constitution and checks and balances or is that just used when corps want to gain political secret access and when trans and women want rights and then we take those away? The framework is known and you know it so is it just when a DEM is in the seat that congress take charge and not when Trump is calling the shots?
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@ABooksNightmare
Well you are going to throw shade on Trump as you always do but how about you answer the question, at what point given the constitution and framework of our government creates checks and balances which keeps fascism allegedly out of the hands of one person so the framework gives congress the responsibility as you well know and where do you draw the line to when this framework is valid and when the shade you are throwing on a fascist Trump over and over takes liberties which bypass our framework and constitution?
Do we have a constitution and checks and balances or is that just used when corps want to gain political secret access and when trans and women want rights and then we take those away? The framework is known and you know it so is it just when a DEM is in the seat that congress take charge and not when Trump is calling the shots?
Boring to claim I throw shade on Trump when I have openly said that he is an idiot so you really should stop doing that. You ask and berate others here so why is it ok for you but not for others. You be better served not to say anything in response if you are going to try and categorize me as being a Trump supporter or whatever you think I am in your rationale....it's just shows how weak you are as well that you chastise others for the very same thing you do....
I'll say it again and I will say it every time, which is that I don't care for Trump and I don't blindly let any political party ever tell me or guide me in my right to free thinking...that's for the weak....unfortunately, for most in here, that is not the case so when you keep disputing the fact that what is being written here time and time again and persist in labeling me despite repeated denials, it just shows the form of emotional bullying you project, along with others that do the same. The I know you are but what am I is often linked to a narcissistic injury....it's manipulative and a way to try and control a situation....
Why would anyone wish to communicate with someone who does that and continues to do it???? Had you not done what you typically do to start out your post, I would gladly conversate with you, but you do what you typically do which is try to label people in your responses and really should find a different approach...you know damn well I don't care about our political system and I think it should be torn down so why would I care about our current President...I have, however, spoken openly here in this forum about making my own mind up based on policy, whether that is Republican or Democrat I don't care, and that is because I am not a follower or a sheep like most...
And again, just like the other day when I posted, there is absolute nothing that I said in my previous post that was factually incorrect as it relates to congress approval before a President can initiate military action...no one is able to dispute that because both sides have used the same policy in which allows this....no reason to even argue that point, which is the only point I was making...
Keep up the good fight, but you really should think about changing your posture towards some posters if you are looking to have a discussion with them, otherwise why even try to initiate a conversation with them just to raise baseless accusations...
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Boring to claim I throw shade on Trump when I have openly said that he is an idiot so you really should stop doing that. You ask and berate others here so why is it ok for you but not for others. You be better served not to say anything in response if you are going to try and categorize me as being a Trump supporter or whatever you think I am in your rationale....it's just shows how weak you are as well that you chastise others for the very same thing you do....
I'll say it again and I will say it every time, which is that I don't care for Trump and I don't blindly let any political party ever tell me or guide me in my right to free thinking...that's for the weak....unfortunately, for most in here, that is not the case so when you keep disputing the fact that what is being written here time and time again and persist in labeling me despite repeated denials, it just shows the form of emotional bullying you project, along with others that do the same. The I know you are but what am I is often linked to a narcissistic injury....it's manipulative and a way to try and control a situation....
Why would anyone wish to communicate with someone who does that and continues to do it???? Had you not done what you typically do to start out your post, I would gladly conversate with you, but you do what you typically do which is try to label people in your responses and really should find a different approach...you know damn well I don't care about our political system and I think it should be torn down so why would I care about our current President...I have, however, spoken openly here in this forum about making my own mind up based on policy, whether that is Republican or Democrat I don't care, and that is because I am not a follower or a sheep like most...
And again, just like the other day when I posted, there is absolute nothing that I said in my previous post that was factually incorrect as it relates to congress approval before a President can initiate military action...no one is able to dispute that because both sides have used the same policy in which allows this....no reason to even argue that point, which is the only point I was making...
Keep up the good fight, but you really should think about changing your posture towards some posters if you are looking to have a discussion with them, otherwise why even try to initiate a conversation with them just to raise baseless accusations...
You do throw shade on Trump, that is based on your messages so if you do not like that characterization then quit throwing shade on the guy or just accept that you do.
I asked the question regarding boundaries because you know these checks and balances and our framework exist it is not like you can deny it and yet you validate all Trump has done going around congress and so given that you always do this, where are the boundaries to which we require the framework to be kept and the process to be followed? What is difficult about defining your position? Do you take offense at someone (me) asking at what point that our framework be honored and we put boundaries on what is allowed by ANY POTUS but especially Trump who has taken more fascist control of our political process than any other leader since WWII
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@ABooksNightmare
You do throw shade on Trump, that is based on your messages so if you do not like that characterization then quit throwing shade on the guy or just accept that you do.
I asked the question regarding boundaries because you know these checks and balances and our framework exist it is not like you can deny it and yet you validate all Trump has done going around congress and so given that you always do this, where are the boundaries to which we require the framework to be kept and the process to be followed? What is difficult about defining your position? Do you take offense at someone (me) asking at what point that our framework be honored and we put boundaries on what is allowed by ANY POTUS but especially Trump who has taken more fascist control of our political process than any other leader since WWII
Again, just how delusional most of you are in here where you think that someone is throwing shade to Trump just because they believe he acted within the parameters of his Presidential duties to not ask congress to do what he did....The President himself means shit to me...I don't care who is in office and my post of contention is those that keep crying about congress wasn't involved and that it is illegal just shows how little most people know...
Hate to break it to you and everyone else who has a warped way of thinking that just because one agrees with what a person that many dislike did doesn't mean they like the person...what it does reflect though, is what you and others will say and do about a person just because you hate them so much...that's what is showing through here because not one word or phrase from you or others about how what the President did was illegal be bypassing congress, which has been my point...instead you want to argue something else and make some other delusional point while trying to mislabel me....
I support policies and so everyone should quit crying about a policy that was not violated....I swear, some of you just want to argue a point even though you are factually wrong...
Keep up with your labeling and maybe you'll get a label maker for whatever holiday you celebrate.....
throwing Trump shade...
or
Stating that congress is NOT needed for ANY President to take military action if they feel there is a threat...the person doing it I could care less
Keep up your propogandis and hypocrisy though that you do so well here by saying to others not to do something while you do it.....Bravo
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Again, just how delusional most of you are in here where you think that someone is throwing shade to Trump just because they believe he acted within the parameters of his Presidential duties to not ask congress to do what he did....The President himself means shit to me...I don't care who is in office and my post of contention is those that keep crying about congress wasn't involved and that it is illegal just shows how little most people know...
Hate to break it to you and everyone else who has a warped way of thinking that just because one agrees with what a person that many dislike did doesn't mean they like the person...what it does reflect though, is what you and others will say and do about a person just because you hate them so much...that's what is showing through here because not one word or phrase from you or others about how what the President did was illegal be bypassing congress, which has been my point...instead you want to argue something else and make some other delusional point while trying to mislabel me....
I support policies and so everyone should quit crying about a policy that was not violated....I swear, some of you just want to argue a point even though you are factually wrong...
Keep up with your labeling and maybe you'll get a label maker for whatever holiday you celebrate.....
throwing Trump shade...
or
Stating that congress is NOT needed for ANY President to take military action if they feel there is a threat...the person doing it I could care less
Keep up your propogandis and hypocrisy though that you do so well here by saying to others not to do something while you do it.....Bravo
What parameters are met to follow the constitution and our political process to YOUR SATISFACTION then...I dont need the repeated deflect and that I am a meanie stuff, just tell me at what point do the checks and balances, the process and constitution kick in to stop a single leader become a fascist and destroy the framework this country put in place as one of the SOLE reasons for coming here and starting this country away from Europe?
When in your personal view DOES congress have to approve an act of war, or is this just something you toss aside when you agree with the person making the decision?
You already said Trump did nothing improper, well when if ever would he be crossing the line to the point of fascism and ignoring the checks and balances which DO EXIST even if you think in this case it is not important enough.
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@ABooksNightmare
Ok so this is what time three or four or five..
What parameters are met to follow the constitution and our political process to YOUR SATISFACTION then...I dont need the repeated deflect and that I am a meanie stuff, just tell me at what point do the checks and balances, the process and constitution kick in to stop a single leader become a fascist and destroy the framework this country put in place as one of the SOLE reasons for coming here and starting this country away from Europe?
When in your personal view DOES congress have to approve an act of war, or is this just something you toss aside when you agree with the person making the decision?
You already said Trump did nothing improper, well when if ever would he be crossing the line to the point of fascism and ignoring the checks and balances which DO EXIST even if you think in this case it is not important enough.
As I said, which apparently you are unable to read and comprehend, why have a conversation with somebody that labels posters like you do? That's what you did and have done so many times and you did it here. You just can't help yourself and you couldn't be further which is why it is so laughable. If you'd like to have a conversation about anything with me, then take back that I am throwing shade at anyone other than actual policies being discussed and that ANY President has the authority to take military action without congress approval.....this is not me making something up...this is actually allowed and has been for a very long in which both parties have used....not even sure what your argument is....
You don't get to demand conversations with anyone if you are acting the way you are.....apologize or recant your statement if you would like a discussion or move along....I really don't care because none of you can say that anything I have said about bypassing congress is illegal and that is because it is perfectly legal....you just don't like it because it was a President you extremely dislike....I, on the other hand, don't care if it was Manny, Moe and Jack or Trump.....my posts said nothing about liking Trump or being a Trump supporter but rather were strictly about facts of the US policy...what part don't you get....
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As I said, which apparently you are unable to read and comprehend, why have a conversation with somebody that labels posters like you do? That's what you did and have done so many times and you did it here. You just can't help yourself and you couldn't be further which is why it is so laughable. If you'd like to have a conversation about anything with me, then take back that I am throwing shade at anyone other than actual policies being discussed and that ANY President has the authority to take military action without congress approval.....this is not me making something up...this is actually allowed and has been for a very long in which both parties have used....not even sure what your argument is....
You don't get to demand conversations with anyone if you are acting the way you are.....apologize or recant your statement if you would like a discussion or move along....I really don't care because none of you can say that anything I have said about bypassing congress is illegal and that is because it is perfectly legal....you just don't like it because it was a President you extremely dislike....I, on the other hand, don't care if it was Manny, Moe and Jack or Trump.....my posts said nothing about liking Trump or being a Trump supporter but rather were strictly about facts of the US policy...what part don't you get....
No problem you refuse to answer a question and explain the words that you said which is kinda the purpose for why people post in this forum. To me if you enter a thread on a topic and just mic drop what is the purpose for making a reply at all? You made your comments which are quite extreme in saying Trump did nothing improper and the rest of the I am a mean guy stuff but if you make a controversial comment then what is so rough to ask for detail and explanation?
As to the illegal and we have Trump syndrome lol actually the constitution is the framework of this country, it does matter even if you support Trump or try and minimize what he is doing, the constitution does matter and it says directly and specifically on this very topic what is required and we know why it exists as the main reason why the settlers came here is to get away from fascism and single rule and that is why that entry exists. In the 1970s there was even more on that subject and so it is not subjective and even if you seek loopholes and exclusions the fact is that congress is to make the decision and declaration period. In the same way that Trump did the reach around with tariffs and got his hand smacked, this will end up on the same path and the same ending....as it SHOULD.
Why have a constitution if you want to give a fascist clown the ability to bypass it?
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@ABooksNightmare
No problem you refuse to answer a question and explain the words that you said which is kinda the purpose for why people post in this forum. To me if you enter a thread on a topic and just mic drop what is the purpose for making a reply at all? You made your comments which are quite extreme in saying Trump did nothing improper and the rest of the I am a mean guy stuff but if you make a controversial comment then what is so rough to ask for detail and explanation?
As to the illegal and we have Trump syndrome lol actually the constitution is the framework of this country, it does matter even if you support Trump or try and minimize what he is doing, the constitution does matter and it says directly and specifically on this very topic what is required and we know why it exists as the main reason why the settlers came here is to get away from fascism and single rule and that is why that entry exists. In the 1970s there was even more on that subject and so it is not subjective and even if you seek loopholes and exclusions the fact is that congress is to make the decision and declaration period. In the same way that Trump did the reach around with tariffs and got his hand smacked, this will end up on the same path and the same ending....as it SHOULD.
Why have a constitution if you want to give a fascist clown the ability to bypass it?
@ABooksNightmare You do throw shade on Trump, that is based on your messages so if you do not like that characterization then quit throwing shade on the guy or just accept that you do. I asked the question regarding boundaries because you know these checks and balances and our framework exist it is not like you can deny it and yet you validate all Trump has done going around congress and so given that you always do this, where are the boundaries to which we require the framework to be kept and the process to be followed? What is difficult about defining your position? Do you take offense at someone (me) asking at what point that our framework be honored and we put boundaries on what is allowed by ANY POTUS but especially Trump who has taken more fascist control of our political process than any other leader since WWII
True!
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Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
@ABooksNightmare You do throw shade on Trump, that is based on your messages so if you do not like that characterization then quit throwing shade on the guy or just accept that you do. I asked the question regarding boundaries because you know these checks and balances and our framework exist it is not like you can deny it and yet you validate all Trump has done going around congress and so given that you always do this, where are the boundaries to which we require the framework to be kept and the process to be followed? What is difficult about defining your position? Do you take offense at someone (me) asking at what point that our framework be honored and we put boundaries on what is allowed by ANY POTUS but especially Trump who has taken more fascist control of our political process than any other leader since WWII
The Republican-led House Oversight Committee voted to subpoena US Attorney General Pam Bondi for testimony about her role in the release of the Jeffrey Epstein files as part of the committee’s probe into the late convicted sex offender.
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HEADLINES today . . .
Der Fuhrer's lapdog gets subpoena
The Republican-led House Oversight Committee voted to subpoena US Attorney General Pam Bondi for testimony about her role in the release of the Jeffrey Epstein files as part of the committee’s probe into the late convicted sex offender.
HEADLINES today . . . Der Fuhrer's lapdog gets subpoena The Republican-led House Oversight Committee voted to subpoena US Attorney General Pam Bondi for testimony about her role in the release of the Jeffrey Epstein files as part of the committee’s probe into the late convicted sex offender.
...but will she conduct herself like a high school junior AGAIN?! ...or like an adult.
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Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
HEADLINES today . . . Der Fuhrer's lapdog gets subpoena The Republican-led House Oversight Committee voted to subpoena US Attorney General Pam Bondi for testimony about her role in the release of the Jeffrey Epstein files as part of the committee’s probe into the late convicted sex offender.
...but will she conduct herself like a high school junior AGAIN?! ...or like an adult.
Dow suffers worst week since April as oil hits $90 and weak jobs data adds to market anxiety
HEADLINES Friday . . .
The US economy
*LOST* 92,000 jobs
in February!
Hiring at US businesses unexpectedly plunged last month as employers shed an estimated 92,000 jobs, according to new data released Friday by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
*Unfortunately this overshadows the good news this week that
Kristi the Clown FIRED by trump
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Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
HEADLINES Friday . . .
Dow suffers worst week since April as oil hits $90 and weak jobs data adds to market anxiety
HEADLINES Friday . . .
The US economy
*LOST* 92,000 jobs
in February!
Hiring at US businesses unexpectedly plunged last month as employers shed an estimated 92,000 jobs, according to new data released Friday by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
*Unfortunately this overshadows the good news this week that
Retail sales declined 0.2% in January from the prior month, the Commerce Department said Friday, the biggest decline since May. January’s reading came in below expectations of 0%, according to a poll of economists by data firm FactSet.
A persistent streak of weak or declining spending — potentially triggered by lower stocks, rising unemployment or a combination of the two — would spell trouble for the US economy.
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More Economic Trouble Looming?
B.Mena -
Retail sales declined 0.2% in January from the prior month, the Commerce Department said Friday, the biggest decline since May. January’s reading came in below expectations of 0%, according to a poll of economists by data firm FactSet.
A persistent streak of weak or declining spending — potentially triggered by lower stocks, rising unemployment or a combination of the two — would spell trouble for the US economy.
More Economic Trouble Looming? B.Mena - Retail sales declined 0.2% in January from the prior month, the Commerce Department said Friday, the biggest decline since May. January’s reading came in below expectations of 0%, according to a poll of economists by data firm FactSet. A persistent streak of weak or declining spending — potentially triggered by lower stocks, rising unemployment or a combination of the two — would spell trouble for the US economy.
Debts at all time highs now so I expect spending to slow
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Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:
More Economic Trouble Looming? B.Mena - Retail sales declined 0.2% in January from the prior month, the Commerce Department said Friday, the biggest decline since May. January’s reading came in below expectations of 0%, according to a poll of economists by data firm FactSet. A persistent streak of weak or declining spending — potentially triggered by lower stocks, rising unemployment or a combination of the two — would spell trouble for the US economy.
Debts at all time highs now so I expect spending to slow
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