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    fubah2
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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2025 - 4:30 PM ET #601


    Moron-in-the-Oval considers massive bailout of at least $10 billion American taxpayer dollars to farmers badly hurt by the trade war HE started  an_eek2

     

    Where is DOGE when we need them???

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    Moron-in-the-Oval considers massive bailout of at least $10 billion American taxpayer dollars to farmers badly hurt by the trade war HE started  an_eek2

     

    Where is DOGE when we need them???

     
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    Posted: Oct. 7, 2025 - 4:41 PM ET #602

    MAGA reich budget director Russell Vought said in a post on X last week that the regime would terminate nearly $8 billion in climate-related funding in 16 Democratic-led states, including California and New York.

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    MAGA reich budget director Russell Vought said in a post on X last week that the regime would terminate nearly $8 billion in climate-related funding in 16 Democratic-led states, including California and New York.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 10, 2025 - 6:49 PM ET #603

    Katherine Clark stated on September 12, 2025 in a post on X:


          “Republicans are spiking health insurance premiums
           by 75% for everyday Americans” if they don’t extend
           enhanced Affordable Care Act subsidies."

     

    PolitiFACT -  Our ruling

    Clark said, "Republicans are spiking health insurance premiums by 75% for everyday Americans" if they don’t extend enhanced ACA subsidies.

    Yes, enrollees would have to pay more.  KFF analysis of federal data found that the average increase in out-of-pocket coverage cost would be 79%, with state-by-state average increases ranging from 49% to 195%. an_speechless paint_help

    The statement is accurate but needs clarification.
    We rate it Mostly True.

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    Katherine Clark stated on September 12, 2025 in a post on X:


          “Republicans are spiking health insurance premiums
           by 75% for everyday Americans” if they don’t extend
           enhanced Affordable Care Act subsidies."

     

    PolitiFACT -  Our ruling

    Clark said, "Republicans are spiking health insurance premiums by 75% for everyday Americans" if they don’t extend enhanced ACA subsidies.

    Yes, enrollees would have to pay more.  KFF analysis of federal data found that the average increase in out-of-pocket coverage cost would be 79%, with state-by-state average increases ranging from 49% to 195%. an_speechless paint_help

    The statement is accurate but needs clarification.
    We rate it Mostly True.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 11, 2025 - 11:40 PM ET #604


    Racist-asshole in the Oval sought to block Muslim groups from receiving FEMA security funding

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    Racist-asshole in the Oval sought to block Muslim groups from receiving FEMA security funding

     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2025 - 3:04 AM ET #605

    Trump’s new 100% tariffs on China
    triggered an $18 billion crypto sell-off

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    Trump’s new 100% tariffs on China
    triggered an $18 billion crypto sell-off

     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2025 - 3:26 AM ET #606

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Trump’s new 100% tariffs on China triggered an $18 billion crypto sell-off

     

    Your economy is more or less currently entirely built on the promise of an AI revolution, but it's most likely just a bubble since AI is nowhere near ready to take over the world. China has a monopoly on the necessary components, so what you see in your market is a reaction to China limiting its export of rare earth minerals (which is actually a weird name - because they aren't even that rare - they are just hard to confine - so even if we gave you a material rich country as Greenland - you guys are fucking noobs compared to China). You guys are mere puppets to what's happening. The markets almost don't react at all to Trump's policies anymore.

     

    Btw just for context this is 100% self-inflicted China showed no plans of starting a trade war etc. with you guys prior to Trump coming into office and starting this entire thing - they have actually been the main lender for all your borrowing through the years paint_helpan_timeout

    Don't mention the frogs - we don't want to scare the toddler - we want him to sleep
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Trump’s new 100% tariffs on China triggered an $18 billion crypto sell-off

     

    Your economy is more or less currently entirely built on the promise of an AI revolution, but it's most likely just a bubble since AI is nowhere near ready to take over the world. China has a monopoly on the necessary components, so what you see in your market is a reaction to China limiting its export of rare earth minerals (which is actually a weird name - because they aren't even that rare - they are just hard to confine - so even if we gave you a material rich country as Greenland - you guys are fucking noobs compared to China). You guys are mere puppets to what's happening. The markets almost don't react at all to Trump's policies anymore.

     

    Btw just for context this is 100% self-inflicted China showed no plans of starting a trade war etc. with you guys prior to Trump coming into office and starting this entire thing - they have actually been the main lender for all your borrowing through the years paint_helpan_timeout

     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2025 - 7:21 PM ET #607

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Racist-asshole in the Oval sought to block Muslim groups from receiving FEMA security funding

       racistasshole   angry

     

     

    "I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Racist-asshole in the Oval sought to block Muslim groups from receiving FEMA security funding

       racistasshole   angry

     

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2025 - 8:31 PM ET #608

    Quote Originally Posted by Calde13:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Trump’s new 100% tariffs on China triggered an $18 billion crypto sell-off   Your economy is more or less currently entirely built on the promise of an AI revolution, but it's most likely just a bubble since AI is nowhere near ready to take over the world. China has a monopoly on the necessary components, so what you see in your market is a reaction to China limiting its export of rare earth minerals (which is actually a weird name - because they aren't even that rare - they are just hard to confine - so even if we gave you a material rich country as Greenland - you guys are fucking noobs compared to China). You guys are mere puppets to what's happening. The markets almost don't react at all to Trump's policies anymore.   Btw just for context this is 100% self-inflicted China showed no plans of starting a trade war etc. with you guys prior to Trump coming into office and starting this entire thing - they have actually been the main lender for all your borrowing through the years

     

     

    Well, you got 1 thing  right in your post.  We do borrow alot from China , but why would China have any interest in starting a trade war when they've been taking advantage of the system,  ever since they were granted entry into the WTO in early 2000's .   That's just such a naive comment that doesn't understand the underhanded policies China has implemented since then..... like forcing U.S. & European companies to hand over their trade secrets in order to have access to the China market.  This " pay to play" nonsense is inconsistent w western values and rules based order , and their asses should've been kicked to the curb at that moment.

    And while your comment  about AI taking a big front seat in recent years in U.S. economy is true,  we in the U.S. embrace Capitalism more than just about any other country/continent... you're in Europe right ?  Where's your Google ( Alphabet),  Microsoft. Nvidia,  Amazon,Facebook (Meta).    These companies were powerful long before AI.  

    What do you saps have ? 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calde13:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Trump’s new 100% tariffs on China triggered an $18 billion crypto sell-off   Your economy is more or less currently entirely built on the promise of an AI revolution, but it's most likely just a bubble since AI is nowhere near ready to take over the world. China has a monopoly on the necessary components, so what you see in your market is a reaction to China limiting its export of rare earth minerals (which is actually a weird name - because they aren't even that rare - they are just hard to confine - so even if we gave you a material rich country as Greenland - you guys are fucking noobs compared to China). You guys are mere puppets to what's happening. The markets almost don't react at all to Trump's policies anymore.   Btw just for context this is 100% self-inflicted China showed no plans of starting a trade war etc. with you guys prior to Trump coming into office and starting this entire thing - they have actually been the main lender for all your borrowing through the years

     

     

    Well, you got 1 thing  right in your post.  We do borrow alot from China , but why would China have any interest in starting a trade war when they've been taking advantage of the system,  ever since they were granted entry into the WTO in early 2000's .   That's just such a naive comment that doesn't understand the underhanded policies China has implemented since then..... like forcing U.S. & European companies to hand over their trade secrets in order to have access to the China market.  This " pay to play" nonsense is inconsistent w western values and rules based order , and their asses should've been kicked to the curb at that moment.

    And while your comment  about AI taking a big front seat in recent years in U.S. economy is true,  we in the U.S. embrace Capitalism more than just about any other country/continent... you're in Europe right ?  Where's your Google ( Alphabet),  Microsoft. Nvidia,  Amazon,Facebook (Meta).    These companies were powerful long before AI.  

    What do you saps have ? 

     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2025 - 8:46 PM ET #609

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Trump’s new 100% tariffs on China triggered an $18 billion crypto sell-off

     

    So, what ... what's your point.

    I can make a case that crypto is a lousy "uncorrelated " asset to stocks..... because it trades every bit as panicky as stocks when shit hits the fan like on Friday.. and then some.    Unlike GOLD !!!!! 

    Wisen up. an_light

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Trump’s new 100% tariffs on China triggered an $18 billion crypto sell-off

     

    So, what ... what's your point.

    I can make a case that crypto is a lousy "uncorrelated " asset to stocks..... because it trades every bit as panicky as stocks when shit hits the fan like on Friday.. and then some.    Unlike GOLD !!!!! 

    Wisen up. an_light

     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2025 - 9:46 PM ET #610

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Racist-asshole in the Oval sought to block Muslim groups from receiving FEMA security funding

     

     

     

     

    racistasshole  angry

     

     

    He always was and always will be...

     

     

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Racist-asshole in the Oval sought to block Muslim groups from receiving FEMA security funding

     

     

     

     

    racistasshole  angry

     

     

    He always was and always will be...

     

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2025 - 9:02 PM ET #611

    an_speak   Cracks starting to emerge just days after Trump heralded a tentative peace deal.

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    an_speak   Cracks starting to emerge just days after Trump heralded a tentative peace deal.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 15, 2025 - 9:42 PM ET #612

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Cracks starting to emerge just days after Trump heralded a tentative peace deal.

     

    oh  oh   surprised

     

     

    "I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Cracks starting to emerge just days after Trump heralded a tentative peace deal.

     

    oh  oh   surprised

     

     

     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2025 - 3:08 AM ET #613

    @Rush51

     an_clap

    6K GOLD/$150 SILVER/ Find JESUS! Yes, I'm a sinner!!
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    @Rush51

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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2025 - 3:24 AM ET #614

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Cracks starting to emerge just days after Trump heralded a tentative peace deal.

    This just figures

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Cracks starting to emerge just days after Trump heralded a tentative peace deal.

    This just figures

     
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    Posted: Oct. 16, 2025 - 3:32 AM ET #615

    Quote Originally Posted by Rush51:

    Quote Originally Posted by Calde13: Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Trump’s new 100% tariffs on China triggered an $18 billion crypto sell-off   Your economy is more or less currently entirely built on the promise of an AI revolution, but it's most likely just a bubble since AI is nowhere near ready to take over the world. China has a monopoly on the necessary components, so what you see in your market is a reaction to China limiting its export of rare earth minerals (which is actually a weird name - because they aren't even that rare - they are just hard to confine - so even if we gave you a material rich country as Greenland - you guys are fucking noobs compared to China). You guys are mere puppets to what's happening. The markets almost don't react at all to Trump's policies anymore.   Btw just for context this is 100% self-inflicted China showed no plans of starting a trade war etc. with you guys prior to Trump coming into office and starting this entire thing - they have actually been the main lender for all your borrowing through the years     Well, you got 1 thing  right in your post.  We do borrow alot from China , but why would China have any interest in starting a trade war when they've been taking advantage of the system,  ever since they were granted entry into the WTO in early 2000's .   That's just such a naive comment that doesn't understand the underhanded policies China has implemented since then..... like forcing U.S. & European companies to hand over their trade secrets in order to have access to the China market.  This " pay to play" nonsense is inconsistent w western values and rules based order , and their asses should've been kicked to the curb at that moment. And while your comment  about AI taking a big front seat in recent years in U.S. economy is true,  we in the U.S. embrace Capitalism more than just about any other country/continent... you're in Europe right ?  Where's your Google ( Alphabet),  Microsoft. Nvidia,  Amazon,Facebook (Meta).    These companies were powerful long before AI.   What do you saps have ?

     

     

    It's clear that you don't know what a financial bubble is. All of those companies you are mentioning are buying stocks in each other's companies to hype up their stock value - DOUBLING DOWN on the assumed impact they feel AI will have - it is the same idiots that invested in Argentina (Because that was a project that couldn't fail - that was pure capitalism just like you guys !!! BUT IT DID FAIL !!) and now you as an American citizen has to pay being able to bail them out from their investments - and the same will happen when their AI investment fail ! That was my entire point about AI: AI in its current state isn't going to revolutionize the world. All of those companies you listed—maybe except for Amazon, which I don't care enough about to know anything about—will be shadows of themselves when the AI bubble bursts, and believe me, it will! AI is shit in its current form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calde13: Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Trump’s new 100% tariffs on China triggered an $18 billion crypto sell-off   Your economy is more or less currently entirely built on the promise of an AI revolution, but it's most likely just a bubble since AI is nowhere near ready to take over the world. China has a monopoly on the necessary components, so what you see in your market is a reaction to China limiting its export of rare earth minerals (which is actually a weird name - because they aren't even that rare - they are just hard to confine - so even if we gave you a material rich country as Greenland - you guys are fucking noobs compared to China). You guys are mere puppets to what's happening. The markets almost don't react at all to Trump's policies anymore.   Btw just for context this is 100% self-inflicted China showed no plans of starting a trade war etc. with you guys prior to Trump coming into office and starting this entire thing - they have actually been the main lender for all your borrowing through the years     Well, you got 1 thing  right in your post.  We do borrow alot from China , but why would China have any interest in starting a trade war when they've been taking advantage of the system,  ever since they were granted entry into the WTO in early 2000's .   That's just such a naive comment that doesn't understand the underhanded policies China has implemented since then..... like forcing U.S. & European companies to hand over their trade secrets in order to have access to the China market.  This " pay to play" nonsense is inconsistent w western values and rules based order , and their asses should've been kicked to the curb at that moment. And while your comment  about AI taking a big front seat in recent years in U.S. economy is true,  we in the U.S. embrace Capitalism more than just about any other country/continent... you're in Europe right ?  Where's your Google ( Alphabet),  Microsoft. Nvidia,  Amazon,Facebook (Meta).    These companies were powerful long before AI.   What do you saps have ?

     

     

    It's clear that you don't know what a financial bubble is. All of those companies you are mentioning are buying stocks in each other's companies to hype up their stock value - DOUBLING DOWN on the assumed impact they feel AI will have - it is the same idiots that invested in Argentina (Because that was a project that couldn't fail - that was pure capitalism just like you guys !!! BUT IT DID FAIL !!) and now you as an American citizen has to pay being able to bail them out from their investments - and the same will happen when their AI investment fail ! That was my entire point about AI: AI in its current state isn't going to revolutionize the world. All of those companies you listed—maybe except for Amazon, which I don't care enough about to know anything about—will be shadows of themselves when the AI bubble bursts, and believe me, it will! AI is shit in its current form.

     
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    Well Euope's GDP is larger than US GDP - we are printing less money (creating fake demand in our own markets than you), and our standard of living is greater than you (Maybe some facts your beloved Fox News should teach you rather than how big companies you can create - if you keep your 300 million population slaves to the 1%'ers) ! so we are doing something right

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    Well Euope's GDP is larger than US GDP - we are printing less money (creating fake demand in our own markets than you), and our standard of living is greater than you (Maybe some facts your beloved Fox News should teach you rather than how big companies you can create - if you keep your 300 million population slaves to the 1%'ers) ! so we are doing something right

     
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    But I know China doesn't play fair and I actually don't feel fond of China at all (neither do Denmark in general) - but I would choose them to rule the world rather than US post Trump in a heart beat ! - Seriously I would rather live with African standards - rather than that third world country, slave inducing, no paid sick leave fuckshow you guys have going over there ! You are almost tying with North Korea as the worst place on earth

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    But I know China doesn't play fair and I actually don't feel fond of China at all (neither do Denmark in general) - but I would choose them to rule the world rather than US post Trump in a heart beat ! - Seriously I would rather live with African standards - rather than that third world country, slave inducing, no paid sick leave fuckshow you guys have going over there ! You are almost tying with North Korea as the worst place on earth

     
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     You have no clue what you're talking about. The EU is not better than America. No paid sick leave? Seriously, you need to find new sources!

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     You have no clue what you're talking about. The EU is not better than America. No paid sick leave? Seriously, you need to find new sources!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpot34:

    @Calde13  You have no clue what you're talking about. The EU is not better than America. No paid sick leave? Seriously, you need to find new sources!

     

    How many do you got 10-12 days ish a year or something ridiculous of that nature - I could take years off if I wanted and my sickness demanded it ! - Name 3 EU countries where you know their workers rights rules or just how they treat them in general and let’s compare that to US

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpot34:

    @Calde13  You have no clue what you're talking about. The EU is not better than America. No paid sick leave? Seriously, you need to find new sources!

     

    How many do you got 10-12 days ish a year or something ridiculous of that nature - I could take years off if I wanted and my sickness demanded it ! - Name 3 EU countries where you know their workers rights rules or just how they treat them in general and let’s compare that to US

     
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    Actually something funny you can do - where you don’t have to embarrass yourself (by comparing yourself to something as S-tier as most EU countries) - try research on your own how you compare to a country like Afghanistan (which you have bombed into oblivion) about workers rights - I am sure you are in for a shock if you think you are even better them - because you are actually far from it 

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    Actually something funny you can do - where you don’t have to embarrass yourself (by comparing yourself to something as S-tier as most EU countries) - try research on your own how you compare to a country like Afghanistan (which you have bombed into oblivion) about workers rights - I am sure you are in for a shock if you think you are even better them - because you are actually far from it 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calde13:

    But I know China doesn't play fair and I actually don't feel fond of China at all (neither do Denmark in general) - but I would choose them to rule the world rather than US post Trump in a heart beat ! - Seriously I would rather live with African standards - rather than that third world country, slave inducing, no paid sick leave fuckshow you guys have going over there ! You are almost tying with North Korea as the worst place on earth
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    It's not good to generalize America in that fashion because each State has different laws for employees, therefore you cannot group all of America together. Some States are very generous in how time off is provided to workers. Your statement about being slave inducing is funny, because in theory working is in it of itself a derivative of being a slave. The term slave, if we leave out the ownership part, is defined as a person who is forced to work and obey another, essentially being controlled by someone else. Yes, no one is forced to work, as that is a choice, but is it really? How does one survive without money and the ability to buy/have shelter, food, clothing, etc. How does one get those  essentials without working? You can't, or at least it would be extremely difficult to come by. Therefore, any working person on the planet, by definition, is a slave. Most hear the term slave and automatically envision slavery and think negatively about it. Working people are a slave to the companies in which they work for, by partial definition. These companies do not owe the working people, so that is the biggest difference.

    What is funny, is that in California there is a phrase called "suffer or permit to work." Other States may have a similar phrase as well, but the phrase derived from a Federal law and is interpreted in California as "suffering." it's an odd phrase or way to phrase it and every time I come across it makes me chuckle a bit. The reason is because this is how the law determines whether compensation is due to an individual or not. The question is basically asked, did the employee suffer from working and therefore is due compensation. It seems like a demeaning way to phrase it because no one forced anyone to go apply with an employer, be interviewed, accept the offer and begin performing work. This was all done voluntarily, and so "suffer or permit to work" seems like a harsh phrase to use, but nonetheless California does. Essentially, it breaks down to whether the employee was subject to the employer's control. Not control, as in forceful, but does or did the employer direct or control an employee to work and did the employee "suffer" as a result.

    In California, we are very friendly employee State as it pertains to time off. The laws are all slanted towards the employee that the employer must follow. There are many laws that California has that many other States do not. Federal law can be a bit loose and more flexible, but in California that is not the case. Anyone that thinks America is this or that with regard to it's employees, I would look at certain States that are employee friendly versus those that are not and you will see the major differences. In general, San Francisco, which resides in California, is a trend setter, or model, to the US as it applies to labor laws and the way employee's should be treated. It's one of a few select cities/States that other States look to for social equity and laws to provide workers. Some States follow, while many others do not.         

    I wouldn't generalize America without knowing how things differ from State to State, and if you are working, then by partial definition, you are a slave to your employer and you are suffering and thus why you receive compensation. 

      

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calde13:

    But I know China doesn't play fair and I actually don't feel fond of China at all (neither do Denmark in general) - but I would choose them to rule the world rather than US post Trump in a heart beat ! - Seriously I would rather live with African standards - rather than that third world country, slave inducing, no paid sick leave fuckshow you guys have going over there ! You are almost tying with North Korea as the worst place on earth
    an_popcorn

    It's not good to generalize America in that fashion because each State has different laws for employees, therefore you cannot group all of America together. Some States are very generous in how time off is provided to workers. Your statement about being slave inducing is funny, because in theory working is in it of itself a derivative of being a slave. The term slave, if we leave out the ownership part, is defined as a person who is forced to work and obey another, essentially being controlled by someone else. Yes, no one is forced to work, as that is a choice, but is it really? How does one survive without money and the ability to buy/have shelter, food, clothing, etc. How does one get those  essentials without working? You can't, or at least it would be extremely difficult to come by. Therefore, any working person on the planet, by definition, is a slave. Most hear the term slave and automatically envision slavery and think negatively about it. Working people are a slave to the companies in which they work for, by partial definition. These companies do not owe the working people, so that is the biggest difference.

    What is funny, is that in California there is a phrase called "suffer or permit to work." Other States may have a similar phrase as well, but the phrase derived from a Federal law and is interpreted in California as "suffering." it's an odd phrase or way to phrase it and every time I come across it makes me chuckle a bit. The reason is because this is how the law determines whether compensation is due to an individual or not. The question is basically asked, did the employee suffer from working and therefore is due compensation. It seems like a demeaning way to phrase it because no one forced anyone to go apply with an employer, be interviewed, accept the offer and begin performing work. This was all done voluntarily, and so "suffer or permit to work" seems like a harsh phrase to use, but nonetheless California does. Essentially, it breaks down to whether the employee was subject to the employer's control. Not control, as in forceful, but does or did the employer direct or control an employee to work and did the employee "suffer" as a result.

    In California, we are very friendly employee State as it pertains to time off. The laws are all slanted towards the employee that the employer must follow. There are many laws that California has that many other States do not. Federal law can be a bit loose and more flexible, but in California that is not the case. Anyone that thinks America is this or that with regard to it's employees, I would look at certain States that are employee friendly versus those that are not and you will see the major differences. In general, San Francisco, which resides in California, is a trend setter, or model, to the US as it applies to labor laws and the way employee's should be treated. It's one of a few select cities/States that other States look to for social equity and laws to provide workers. Some States follow, while many others do not.         

    I wouldn't generalize America without knowing how things differ from State to State, and if you are working, then by partial definition, you are a slave to your employer and you are suffering and thus why you receive compensation. 

      

     
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    I kind of agree with you, but there are different aspects that define "how much" of a slave you are, in my opinion. Basically, it's everything that keeps you locked in your current job situation. The worse it is, the more it locks you in. For instance, right now, fewer new job opportunities are being created, which locks you in even more to your current job, etc. But also, to take Denmark as an example (even though I wouldn't compare it to the US in general), if I had the worst job imaginable and was fired tomorrow, I would have the following rights:

     

     

     

    1) My previous employer would have to pay me for six months at 100% of my previous wages, unless I found another job before the six-month period was over.

     

    2) I could study whatever I wanted to and be paid $1,000 per month while studying.

     

    3) I could show up at a job office, and they would basically have to find me a job that matches my qualifications without me doing anything.

     

    While employed, I would have as much sick leave as needed, six weeks of paid vacation a year, a pension, free insurance, etc.

     

    The easiest way to describe the difference is that the worker has most of the power here! If you don't like your work situation, you can quit and find another job. Seriously, it won't set you back financially at all! In Danish, we have a word called "arbejdsglæde," which doesn't exist in any language other than the Scandinavian ones. It translates to "happiness in your work situation." In contrast, Japan has a word that means "dying from overwork." I don't think it's a coincidence that these differences in language exist!

     

     

     

     

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    I kind of agree with you, but there are different aspects that define "how much" of a slave you are, in my opinion. Basically, it's everything that keeps you locked in your current job situation. The worse it is, the more it locks you in. For instance, right now, fewer new job opportunities are being created, which locks you in even more to your current job, etc. But also, to take Denmark as an example (even though I wouldn't compare it to the US in general), if I had the worst job imaginable and was fired tomorrow, I would have the following rights:

     

     

     

    1) My previous employer would have to pay me for six months at 100% of my previous wages, unless I found another job before the six-month period was over.

     

    2) I could study whatever I wanted to and be paid $1,000 per month while studying.

     

    3) I could show up at a job office, and they would basically have to find me a job that matches my qualifications without me doing anything.

     

    While employed, I would have as much sick leave as needed, six weeks of paid vacation a year, a pension, free insurance, etc.

     

    The easiest way to describe the difference is that the worker has most of the power here! If you don't like your work situation, you can quit and find another job. Seriously, it won't set you back financially at all! In Danish, we have a word called "arbejdsglæde," which doesn't exist in any language other than the Scandinavian ones. It translates to "happiness in your work situation." In contrast, Japan has a word that means "dying from overwork." I don't think it's a coincidence that these differences in language exist!

     

     

     

     

     
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    @fubah2  "cracks in Trump ceasefire plan"

    No surprise because of history of peace deals broken.  For example, previous deal months ago.  Egypt summit shows that current deal is more spectacle than the dawn of a new Middle east.  There is still a long way to go.  Although war can easily restart, Trump likes to exaggerate his accomplishments.  

     

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    @fubah2  "cracks in Trump ceasefire plan"

    No surprise because of history of peace deals broken.  For example, previous deal months ago.  Egypt summit shows that current deal is more spectacle than the dawn of a new Middle east.  There is still a long way to go.  Although war can easily restart, Trump likes to exaggerate his accomplishments.  

     

     
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    @fubah2  "FEMA lack of funding"

    New York times report that a judge has ordered FEMA to release $34 million for New York.  Illegal for Trump administration to withhold sanctuary cities funding approved by congress.  Leaving states to fend for themselves.

     

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    @fubah2  "FEMA lack of funding"

    New York times report that a judge has ordered FEMA to release $34 million for New York.  Illegal for Trump administration to withhold sanctuary cities funding approved by congress.  Leaving states to fend for themselves.

     

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    @fubah2  "cracks in Trump ceasefire plan" No surprise because of history of peace deals broken.  For example, previous deal months ago.  Egypt summit shows that current deal is more spectacle than the dawn of a new Middle east.  There is still a long way to go.  Although war can easily restart, Trump likes to exaggerate his accomplishments.

    Tentative and shaky.  Hopefully it works but . . . 

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    @fubah2  "cracks in Trump ceasefire plan" No surprise because of history of peace deals broken.  For example, previous deal months ago.  Egypt summit shows that current deal is more spectacle than the dawn of a new Middle east.  There is still a long way to go.  Although war can easily restart, Trump likes to exaggerate his accomplishments.

    Tentative and shaky.  Hopefully it works but . . . 

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