A Few Questions On Healthcare For Supporters Of The Bill

It's not defensive medicine. Its saving your life.

The term defensive medicine is such a joke, Anyone and everyone wants to having every i dotted and every t crossed when it comes to their own health.

Quote Originally Posted by be easy:



So we don't turn anyone away, so in essence everyone is already covered. The plan is to find a way to PAY for them. And we're gonna do it thru taxes. That doesn't sound like it's saving money in any way shape or form. Just sounds like forcing someone else to pay for it at gunpoint.

Djbrow, what effect do you feel the 600+B gift the gov't gives the drugcare industry thru medicare has had on prices?

We are ALREADY forcing someone else to pay for it at gunpoint. Those that have insurance!

The current plan, which I do not agree with, reduces medicare.

To advise you of the costs.

Let's say you didn't have health insurance. You would have a choice, 1) Agree to the procedures and know you are getting a $2500 bill in the mail. 2) Don't agree because you cannot afford and risk whatever consequences are necessary. Welcome to the world of millions of people.

Now add in that for many, number 1 simply wouldn't be an option because more and more clinics won't run procedures for those without credit cards, cash in hand, or insurance.

But when you suffer that heart attack, you can incur $100k in medical debt, that will be paid, by those with insurance.

Get the quandry

Now, if blood thinner or some medication reduces your risk, and having insurance gets you preventative treatment, see the savings.  See the need for reform.

We should remove the middle man that skims profits out of healthcare. We should pay taxes to pay for healthcare rather than paying guys like Rick Scott and Tauzin billions of dollars in profit. It's absurd. How many people would the $1 billion dollars that was paid to Rick Scott in the last decade buy healthcare for? He is the top "earner" in all of this, but there are thousands like him who partake in the skim.

We need to start thinking in terms of "how to buy healthcare" instead of "how do we pay for insurance"

We can live without insurance......we cannot live without healthcare. The "for profit" insurance companies are not needed. The only purpose they serve is to make money for profiteers.

I agree with your view on the pursuit of individual goals and betterment.

I don't think someone should pursue individual betterment by acting as an unneeded for profit 3rd layer in the healthcare system.

I understand all of that. You can bet that insurance companies had a very big hand in those restrictions being put in place. These goverment hacks don't set out planning to screw everybody in the nation. it's just that, after years of having their ego's and wallets fattened up, they can't help themselves. It's a perfect example of corporations shaping the so called "free market" to protect their interests. Not a free market at all.

Even if these restrictions were lifted, it would still not make insurance companies a required tool in the delivery of healthcare. 

We do have a cash or insurance only system for preventative treatment. How's that working out?

And since we will never have an upfront cash required system to let someone dying in the emergency room (because the majority of people are compassionate) we have to deal with the situation as it exists and fix accordingly.

I made a bet with Santa that you wouldn't respond with a comment about leeches or why should you have to pay for it (which has been answered ad nauseum, but once again, you already are), or illegal immigrants (because blaming them, while great for right wing rhetoric, just doesn't jive with the actual numbers), so lets see if you can come up with something different. Or I can just pay Santa and you can reimburse me at mod convention in Vegas with shots of Cuervo and strippers in our room like last year.

Tell you what? When you actually graduate from school and aren't living under mommy and daddy's roof, you can sit at the big table and debate. In the meantime, go set the table and give your mom and break for once and wash your own underwear.

As for taxes, the key word is proportional. Look it up. Its not difficult. Or ask mom or dad while they are cooking your dinner.

Consider this your Christmas present.

https://tinyurl.com/yggdm6w

Proportional to income. And proportional to the benefits gained by tax money.

You can deny it all you want.

Quote Originally Posted by williamwallace:

YO DJ----spin that shit.

are you tired of getting academically murdered in every thread you post in yet?

gotta hand it to ya though, your perseverance is admirable.  usually when i realize that everything i say is incorrect and that i really don't know what i'm talking about, i get a little gun shy.  not you, and I gotta hand it to you

Coming from the forums dumbest individual, I will take that as a compliment. Must be tough to be 40, living in your mom's basement, and taking community classes. Apparently, the GED was tough. Keep trying brother. People like me will fight for your right to have an education.