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    Single zero roulette system (mathematically profitable)

    MJLaw
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    MJLaw
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    Posted: Nov. 7, 2009 - 3:21 AM ET #1

    It is based on betting on the outside columns.  For example:

     

    1 – 12

    13 – 25

    25 – 32

     

    Or the 1st, 2nd, 3rd Column

     

    These bets pay 2 to 1

     

    You bet on a matrix system:

     

    5          return 10

    5          return 5

    10        return 10

    20        return 20

    40        return 40

    80        return 80

     

    80 + 40 + 20 + 10 + 5 +10 / 6 = 27.5

     

    The average win through the matrix is $27.50.

     

    The probability of going through the full 6 round cycle is approximately 9%.

     

    .6757 x .6757 x .6757 x .6757 x .6757 x .6757 = approx.9% of losing 6 in a row

     

    12 winners out of 33 possible = .6757 chance of losing

     

    So if you bet 100 times:

     

    You will win:                 91 times ($2,502.50

    You will lose:                9 times ($1,440.00) – 160 per cycle x 9

     

    Therefore you will net a profit of $1,062.50 per 100 times you complete a cycle

     

    Everyone please check my math… but so far.. I’ve been profitable

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    It is based on betting on the outside columns.  For example:

     

    1 – 12

    13 – 25

    25 – 32

     

    Or the 1st, 2nd, 3rd Column

     

    These bets pay 2 to 1

     

    You bet on a matrix system:

     

    5          return 10

    5          return 5

    10        return 10

    20        return 20

    40        return 40

    80        return 80

     

    80 + 40 + 20 + 10 + 5 +10 / 6 = 27.5

     

    The average win through the matrix is $27.50.

     

    The probability of going through the full 6 round cycle is approximately 9%.

     

    .6757 x .6757 x .6757 x .6757 x .6757 x .6757 = approx.9% of losing 6 in a row

     

    12 winners out of 33 possible = .6757 chance of losing

     

    So if you bet 100 times:

     

    You will win:                 91 times ($2,502.50

    You will lose:                9 times ($1,440.00) – 160 per cycle x 9

     

    Therefore you will net a profit of $1,062.50 per 100 times you complete a cycle

     

    Everyone please check my math… but so far.. I’ve been profitable

     
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    Posted: Nov. 7, 2009 - 3:23 AM ET #2

    Just to follow-up.... you bet once... if you win you return to the beginning.. if you lose you go to the next step.  and so on...
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    Just to follow-up.... you bet once... if you win you return to the beginning.. if you lose you go to the next step.  and so on...
     
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    Posted: Nov. 7, 2009 - 11:36 AM ET #3

    your chasing right? eventually you hit a slide and will hit the max bet and won't be able to chase anymore
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    your chasing right? eventually you hit a slide and will hit the max bet and won't be able to chase anymore
     
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    Posted: Nov. 7, 2009 - 2:53 PM ET #4

    Once you hit the max bet... you stop...

    You then start the sequence over again...

    For Example:  5 - lose, 5 - lose, 10 - lose, 20 - lose, 40 - lose, 80 - lose;

    Then you start back at 5.  
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    Once you hit the max bet... you stop...

    You then start the sequence over again...

    For Example:  5 - lose, 5 - lose, 10 - lose, 20 - lose, 40 - lose, 80 - lose;

    Then you start back at 5.  
     
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    Posted: Nov. 8, 2009 - 12:41 PM ET #5

    good luck with that...
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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2009 - 12:00 PM ET #6

    everytime you win a cycle,,you win 5 or 10bucks right? but the 9 cycles you lose to the end you lose 160 bucks or am i looking at this wrong?? seems like you have better odds of putting 5 on a color and trying to let it ride for a while..if you lose you lose 5 but if it doubles 5x=160 6x=320 7x=640 8x=1280 etc..  not very likely that happens but you only lose 5 bucks each time you miss. ive never done this so i cant say if it would work or not but it would take hours to lose 100,,,drink up

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    everytime you win a cycle,,you win 5 or 10bucks right? but the 9 cycles you lose to the end you lose 160 bucks or am i looking at this wrong?? seems like you have better odds of putting 5 on a color and trying to let it ride for a while..if you lose you lose 5 but if it doubles 5x=160 6x=320 7x=640 8x=1280 etc..  not very likely that happens but you only lose 5 bucks each time you miss. ive never done this so i cant say if it would work or not but it would take hours to lose 100,,,drink up

     
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    Posted: Nov. 19, 2009 - 7:14 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by MJLaw:

    It is based on betting on the outside columns.  For example:

     

    1 – 12

    13 – 25

    25 – 32

     

    Or the 1st, 2nd, 3rd Column

     

    These bets pay 2 to 1

     

    You bet on a matrix system:

     

    5          return 10

    5          return 5

    10        return 10

    20        return 20

    40        return 40

    80        return 80

     

    80 + 40 + 20 + 10 + 5 +10 / 6 = 27.5

     

    The average win through the matrix is $27.50.

     

    The probability of going through the full 6 round cycle is approximately 9%.

     

    .6757 x .6757 x .6757 x .6757 x .6757 x .6757 = approx.9% of losing 6 in a row

     

    12 winners out of 33 possible = .6757 chance of losing

     

    So if you bet 100 times:

     

    You will win:                 91 times ($2,502.50

    You will lose:                9 times ($1,440.00) – 160 per cycle x 9

     

    Therefore you will net a profit of $1,062.50 per 100 times you complete a cycle

     

    Everyone please check my math… but so far.. I’ve been profitable

    Well you have some typos but your math is right. There are 36 numbers and then the 0.  So it should read

    1-12
    13-24
    25-36

    and

    12 winners out of 37 possible = .6757 chance of losing

    Also the MAIN problem is that a roulette ball doesn't have a memory.  It is not like blackjack where you can count cards and gain an edge because the probability of certain cards to come depend on the cards that came previously in the shoe.  With roulette there is nothing that says just because 17 came that it can't come again immediately after it.  I know guys that have tried this "system" with red/black.  The longest string of reds I have seen hit in a row is 18!  They happened to be betting on black at the time that this string of reds came so they kept doubleing and losing. 

    If you have won some money doing this I would stop now while you are ahead.  In the long run roulette is -EV and no matter what system you try to employee, you will end up losing.       

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJLaw:

    It is based on betting on the outside columns.  For example:

     

    1 – 12

    13 – 25

    25 – 32

     

    Or the 1st, 2nd, 3rd Column

     

    These bets pay 2 to 1

     

    You bet on a matrix system:

     

    5          return 10

    5          return 5

    10        return 10

    20        return 20

    40        return 40

    80        return 80

     

    80 + 40 + 20 + 10 + 5 +10 / 6 = 27.5

     

    The average win through the matrix is $27.50.

     

    The probability of going through the full 6 round cycle is approximately 9%.

     

    .6757 x .6757 x .6757 x .6757 x .6757 x .6757 = approx.9% of losing 6 in a row

     

    12 winners out of 33 possible = .6757 chance of losing

     

    So if you bet 100 times:

     

    You will win:                 91 times ($2,502.50

    You will lose:                9 times ($1,440.00) – 160 per cycle x 9

     

    Therefore you will net a profit of $1,062.50 per 100 times you complete a cycle

     

    Everyone please check my math… but so far.. I’ve been profitable

    Well you have some typos but your math is right. There are 36 numbers and then the 0.  So it should read

    1-12
    13-24
    25-36

    and

    12 winners out of 37 possible = .6757 chance of losing

    Also the MAIN problem is that a roulette ball doesn't have a memory.  It is not like blackjack where you can count cards and gain an edge because the probability of certain cards to come depend on the cards that came previously in the shoe.  With roulette there is nothing that says just because 17 came that it can't come again immediately after it.  I know guys that have tried this "system" with red/black.  The longest string of reds I have seen hit in a row is 18!  They happened to be betting on black at the time that this string of reds came so they kept doubleing and losing. 

    If you have won some money doing this I would stop now while you are ahead.  In the long run roulette is -EV and no matter what system you try to employee, you will end up losing.       

     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 21, 2009 - 3:25 AM ET #8

     Good luck with your roulette system.  When that one bankrupts you, let us know about a new chase system you are working on.
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