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    The Elimination of the Gas Stove!

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    Zeus4par
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    Posted: Sep. 5, 2024 - 5:49 PM ET #101

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    @sundance Can you give more details on that or is this another liberal bashing inaccurate message? Why was the water curtailment made? Idaho is one of the most conservative GOP friendly state in the country so to make a liberal connection and Idaho in the same sentence is a stretch from the get-go.  Little is a GOP governor, Idaho is quite a staunch GOP state and the issue is a teeny bit more complex than you make it out- https://gov.idaho.gov/pressrelease/gov-littles-statement-on-progress-toward-proving-water-certainty-in-2024-irrigation-season/

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    @sundance Can you give more details on that or is this another liberal bashing inaccurate message? Why was the water curtailment made? Idaho is one of the most conservative GOP friendly state in the country so to make a liberal connection and Idaho in the same sentence is a stretch from the get-go.  Little is a GOP governor, Idaho is quite a staunch GOP state and the issue is a teeny bit more complex than you make it out- https://gov.idaho.gov/pressrelease/gov-littles-statement-on-progress-toward-proving-water-certainty-in-2024-irrigation-season/

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    Posted: Sep. 5, 2024 - 6:11 PM ET #102

    Corrections follow for the powerful Illinois bill eliminating courtesy, single use shampoos. SB2960 Illinois General Assembly will ban single use toiletries effective 1 July 2025 for hotels with 50 or more rooms. Any hotel under 50 rooms will not be able to help shampoo your hair or cleanse your mouth with mouthwash beginning 1 January 2026. Inside the link below is SB2960 in all of it's liberal glory! Please help Bobby and I Make Our Children Healthy Again!

    Illinois General Assembly - Full Text of Public Act 103-0934 (ilga.gov)

     

     

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    Corrections follow for the powerful Illinois bill eliminating courtesy, single use shampoos. SB2960 Illinois General Assembly will ban single use toiletries effective 1 July 2025 for hotels with 50 or more rooms. Any hotel under 50 rooms will not be able to help shampoo your hair or cleanse your mouth with mouthwash beginning 1 January 2026. Inside the link below is SB2960 in all of it's liberal glory! Please help Bobby and I Make Our Children Healthy Again!

    Illinois General Assembly - Full Text of Public Act 103-0934 (ilga.gov)

     

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 5, 2024 - 6:13 PM ET #103

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    @sundance  Thats nonsense,   read the link I provided..not a youtube video, a release from the governor of Idaho from a website from the state of Idaho. The issue is more deserving than a quack youtube video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    @sundance  Thats nonsense,   read the link I provided..not a youtube video, a release from the governor of Idaho from a website from the state of Idaho. The issue is more deserving than a quack youtube video.

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    Posted: Sep. 5, 2024 - 6:17 PM ET #104

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: @sundance  Thats nonsense,   read the link I provided..not a youtube video, a release from the governor of Idaho from a website from the state of Idaho. The issue is more deserving than a quack youtube video.

    We are talking about 2 different things. Illinois is eliminating small, single use shampoos. I threw the info in this thread. Basically a thread designed to educate people on what is being eliminated by liberals. From gas stoves, to water in Idaho and now the elimination of courtesy toiletries in Illinois hotels!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: @sundance  Thats nonsense,   read the link I provided..not a youtube video, a release from the governor of Idaho from a website from the state of Idaho. The issue is more deserving than a quack youtube video.

    We are talking about 2 different things. Illinois is eliminating small, single use shampoos. I threw the info in this thread. Basically a thread designed to educate people on what is being eliminated by liberals. From gas stoves, to water in Idaho and now the elimination of courtesy toiletries in Illinois hotels!

     
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    Posted: Sep. 5, 2024 - 6:20 PM ET #105

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    To tackle climate change, republicans and democrats in congress approve international agreement to reduce hydroflurocarbons in refrigerators and air-conditioners in the long term.  American chemistry council welcomes Environmental protection agency rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    To tackle climate change, republicans and democrats in congress approve international agreement to reduce hydroflurocarbons in refrigerators and air-conditioners in the long term.  American chemistry council welcomes Environmental protection agency rule.

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    Posted: Sep. 5, 2024 - 6:34 PM ET #106

    @sundance

     Look at the time stamps dood, you bumped a thread for a long time ago and my comment was based on your quackery Idaho nonsense.

    FYI I travelled recently and it is becoming more common than not that the single use stuff is being phased out across the country, not due to your liberal mumbo jumbo. The use of plastics is of course a profit cost savings scheme and there ARE alternatives out there for those poor people like Bobby who need their hair shampoo when they travel. There are non-plastic alternatives and many hotels use them. Do you actually think a hotel is going to have nothing for a guest to use even at their own cost? Of course a hotel will provide options and I would imagine this is a big time profit event FOR those hotels...no more spending for 1 ounce bottles of stuff people steal most of the time and on a per use cost basis they are extremely expensive. 

    What is great about capitalism is there are options out there and there will be more options to come, people find solutions to the changing landscape of the economy while people like you just try to cry about everything that is changing and blame it on a liberal.

    Go back to your extremist blogs and sites, you are missing out on more conspiracy theories and liberal bashing, nobody is buying this crap here.

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    @sundance

     Look at the time stamps dood, you bumped a thread for a long time ago and my comment was based on your quackery Idaho nonsense.

    FYI I travelled recently and it is becoming more common than not that the single use stuff is being phased out across the country, not due to your liberal mumbo jumbo. The use of plastics is of course a profit cost savings scheme and there ARE alternatives out there for those poor people like Bobby who need their hair shampoo when they travel. There are non-plastic alternatives and many hotels use them. Do you actually think a hotel is going to have nothing for a guest to use even at their own cost? Of course a hotel will provide options and I would imagine this is a big time profit event FOR those hotels...no more spending for 1 ounce bottles of stuff people steal most of the time and on a per use cost basis they are extremely expensive. 

    What is great about capitalism is there are options out there and there will be more options to come, people find solutions to the changing landscape of the economy while people like you just try to cry about everything that is changing and blame it on a liberal.

    Go back to your extremist blogs and sites, you are missing out on more conspiracy theories and liberal bashing, nobody is buying this crap here.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 5, 2024 - 9:45 PM ET #107

    @sundance 

    Yes.  They are simply following CA and NY's lead.  Not surprising that they would be next.  CA was first to do this.  But NY wanted to top them, so implemented a fine for violation to go with theirs.

    While it is understandable to want a cleaner environment, there are many, many other, better places to make the best, and most effective, change.  This is a small amount of the plastic waste. Simply, very low hanging fruit.  But you do have to start somewhere.

    But as one Congressman pointed out, this change has been slowly being voluntarily done.  Did they really need a law to enforce it and a fine?  Like he said, by the time the law is enacted, most will already be doing this on their own.

    I travel quite a bit and this change has been going on in other countries for quite some time.

    But it is interesting to see some of these implementations and their results.

    For example, a couple of years ago the CBC had an article detailing some of the confounding choices of what the government was banning and not banning and why.  Like the plastic straws but not the plastic lids.  But were not allowed to interfere with imported plastics.  They were still allowed to manufacture plastic straws for overseas shipment due to trade allowances.

    But the most perplexing one is that they were still allowed to make flexible plastic straws.  But they could not be displayed openly; the store clerk had to be directly asked for them.

    The BBC also did a good article a few years ago on the unintended consequences of this change with plastics.  The example, they used was the shipment of food in France --especially fruits and vegetables that were normally wrapped and sealed in plastic.  Now they are being packaged in cardboard.  This brings its own issues.  Now the food is more often damaged and spoiled.  It weighs more, and it is more polluting than the plastic was.  So, when considered through the whole production life-cycle, it is more costly as well.

    Then there is another issue in developing countries, like India.  It is simply more economically feasible for some, in the poorer parts of the country, to use the plastic or glass, refillable bottles than some of the innovative things the richer parts of the country has started to use for single-use.

    There have been some good innovations as alternatives that are far better than the paper straws the USA and Canada are using.  They have some slick alternatives made out of palm and banana leaves.

    I was reading somewhere some time back about the issue from an environmentalist that was going over the numbers.  He -- I think a guy was writing it -- was saying how many bottles were used and how many were recycled.  He then stated that the un-recycled ones, therefore, ended up in the ocean.  Nonsense, of course.  Naturally, a lot of them do end up in the ocean, but far from all of them.  It is simply an exaggeration to promote his view that was not needed.  Everyone already understands the problem -- there is no need to lie about it.

    But like the Congressman said, 'As much stuff as NY needs to address, do they need to make a law and fine about something that is already being done?'

    Too much government interference can be bad when it is not really needed and the unintended consequences have not been fully considered.

    The bottom line is plastic has become a victim of its own success.

    Absolutely, recycling should be emphasized for a cleaner environment.  But you have to wonder if starting with the smallest things, instead of addressing the larger ones is the best way to address the plastics pollution.

     peace_5

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    @sundance 

    Yes.  They are simply following CA and NY's lead.  Not surprising that they would be next.  CA was first to do this.  But NY wanted to top them, so implemented a fine for violation to go with theirs.

    While it is understandable to want a cleaner environment, there are many, many other, better places to make the best, and most effective, change.  This is a small amount of the plastic waste. Simply, very low hanging fruit.  But you do have to start somewhere.

    But as one Congressman pointed out, this change has been slowly being voluntarily done.  Did they really need a law to enforce it and a fine?  Like he said, by the time the law is enacted, most will already be doing this on their own.

    I travel quite a bit and this change has been going on in other countries for quite some time.

    But it is interesting to see some of these implementations and their results.

    For example, a couple of years ago the CBC had an article detailing some of the confounding choices of what the government was banning and not banning and why.  Like the plastic straws but not the plastic lids.  But were not allowed to interfere with imported plastics.  They were still allowed to manufacture plastic straws for overseas shipment due to trade allowances.

    But the most perplexing one is that they were still allowed to make flexible plastic straws.  But they could not be displayed openly; the store clerk had to be directly asked for them.

    The BBC also did a good article a few years ago on the unintended consequences of this change with plastics.  The example, they used was the shipment of food in France --especially fruits and vegetables that were normally wrapped and sealed in plastic.  Now they are being packaged in cardboard.  This brings its own issues.  Now the food is more often damaged and spoiled.  It weighs more, and it is more polluting than the plastic was.  So, when considered through the whole production life-cycle, it is more costly as well.

    Then there is another issue in developing countries, like India.  It is simply more economically feasible for some, in the poorer parts of the country, to use the plastic or glass, refillable bottles than some of the innovative things the richer parts of the country has started to use for single-use.

    There have been some good innovations as alternatives that are far better than the paper straws the USA and Canada are using.  They have some slick alternatives made out of palm and banana leaves.

    I was reading somewhere some time back about the issue from an environmentalist that was going over the numbers.  He -- I think a guy was writing it -- was saying how many bottles were used and how many were recycled.  He then stated that the un-recycled ones, therefore, ended up in the ocean.  Nonsense, of course.  Naturally, a lot of them do end up in the ocean, but far from all of them.  It is simply an exaggeration to promote his view that was not needed.  Everyone already understands the problem -- there is no need to lie about it.

    But like the Congressman said, 'As much stuff as NY needs to address, do they need to make a law and fine about something that is already being done?'

    Too much government interference can be bad when it is not really needed and the unintended consequences have not been fully considered.

    The bottom line is plastic has become a victim of its own success.

    Absolutely, recycling should be emphasized for a cleaner environment.  But you have to wonder if starting with the smallest things, instead of addressing the larger ones is the best way to address the plastics pollution.

     peace_5

     
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    Posted: Sep. 6, 2024 - 4:01 AM ET #108

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    @sundance  Yes.  They are simply following CA and NY's lead.  Not surprising that they would be next.  CA was first to do this.  But NY wanted to top them, so implemented a fine for violation to go with theirs. While it is understandable to want a cleaner environment, there are many, many other, better places to make the best, and most effective, change.  This is a small amount of the plastic waste. Simply, very low hanging fruit.  But you do have to start somewhere. But as one Congressman pointed out, this change has been slowly being voluntarily done.  Did they really need a law to enforce it and a fine?  Like he said, by the time the law is enacted, most will already be doing this on their own. I travel quite a bit and this change has been going on in other countries for quite some time. But it is interesting to see some of these implementations and their results. For example, a couple of years ago the CBC had an article detailing some of the confounding choices of what the government was banning and not banning and why.  Like the plastic straws but not the plastic lids.  But were not allowed to interfere with imported plastics.  They were still allowed to manufacture plastic straws for overseas shipment due to trade allowances. But the most perplexing one is that they were still allowed to make flexible plastic straws.  But they could not be displayed openly; the store clerk had to be directly asked for them. The BBC also did a good article a few years ago on the unintended consequences of this change with plastics.  The example, they used was the shipment of food in France --especially fruits and vegetables that were normally wrapped and sealed in plastic.  Now they are being packaged in cardboard.  This brings its own issues.  Now the food is more often damaged and spoiled.  It weighs more, and it is more polluting than the plastic was.  So, when considered through the whole production life-cycle, it is more costly as well. Then there is another issue in developing countries, like India.  It is simply more economically feasible for some, in the poorer parts of the country, to use the plastic or glass, refillable bottles than some of the innovative things the richer parts of the country has started to use for single-use. There have been some good innovations as alternatives that are far better than the paper straws the USA and Canada are using.  They have some slick alternatives made out of palm and banana leaves. I was reading somewhere some time back about the issue from an environmentalist that was going over the numbers.  He -- I think a guy was writing it -- was saying how many bottles were used and how many were recycled.  He then stated that the un-recycled ones, therefore, ended up in the ocean.  Nonsense, of course.  Naturally, a lot of them do end up in the ocean, but far from all of them.  It is simply an exaggeration to promote his view that was not needed.  Everyone already understands the problem -- there is no need to lie about it. But like the Congressman said, 'As much stuff as NY needs to address, do they need to make a law and fine about something that is already being done?' Too much government interference can be bad when it is not really needed and the unintended consequences have not been fully considered. The bottom line is plastic has become a victim of its own success. Absolutely, recycling should be emphasized for a cleaner environment.  But you have to wonder if starting with the smallest things, instead of addressing the larger ones is the best way to address the plastics pollution.

    peace_5

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    @sundance  Yes.  They are simply following CA and NY's lead.  Not surprising that they would be next.  CA was first to do this.  But NY wanted to top them, so implemented a fine for violation to go with theirs. While it is understandable to want a cleaner environment, there are many, many other, better places to make the best, and most effective, change.  This is a small amount of the plastic waste. Simply, very low hanging fruit.  But you do have to start somewhere. But as one Congressman pointed out, this change has been slowly being voluntarily done.  Did they really need a law to enforce it and a fine?  Like he said, by the time the law is enacted, most will already be doing this on their own. I travel quite a bit and this change has been going on in other countries for quite some time. But it is interesting to see some of these implementations and their results. For example, a couple of years ago the CBC had an article detailing some of the confounding choices of what the government was banning and not banning and why.  Like the plastic straws but not the plastic lids.  But were not allowed to interfere with imported plastics.  They were still allowed to manufacture plastic straws for overseas shipment due to trade allowances. But the most perplexing one is that they were still allowed to make flexible plastic straws.  But they could not be displayed openly; the store clerk had to be directly asked for them. The BBC also did a good article a few years ago on the unintended consequences of this change with plastics.  The example, they used was the shipment of food in France --especially fruits and vegetables that were normally wrapped and sealed in plastic.  Now they are being packaged in cardboard.  This brings its own issues.  Now the food is more often damaged and spoiled.  It weighs more, and it is more polluting than the plastic was.  So, when considered through the whole production life-cycle, it is more costly as well. Then there is another issue in developing countries, like India.  It is simply more economically feasible for some, in the poorer parts of the country, to use the plastic or glass, refillable bottles than some of the innovative things the richer parts of the country has started to use for single-use. There have been some good innovations as alternatives that are far better than the paper straws the USA and Canada are using.  They have some slick alternatives made out of palm and banana leaves. I was reading somewhere some time back about the issue from an environmentalist that was going over the numbers.  He -- I think a guy was writing it -- was saying how many bottles were used and how many were recycled.  He then stated that the un-recycled ones, therefore, ended up in the ocean.  Nonsense, of course.  Naturally, a lot of them do end up in the ocean, but far from all of them.  It is simply an exaggeration to promote his view that was not needed.  Everyone already understands the problem -- there is no need to lie about it. But like the Congressman said, 'As much stuff as NY needs to address, do they need to make a law and fine about something that is already being done?' Too much government interference can be bad when it is not really needed and the unintended consequences have not been fully considered. The bottom line is plastic has become a victim of its own success. Absolutely, recycling should be emphasized for a cleaner environment.  But you have to wonder if starting with the smallest things, instead of addressing the larger ones is the best way to address the plastics pollution.

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    It is happening again! The governor of our largest 3rd world state named California signed a bill yesterday eliminating plastic bags at your local grocery store. It is SB 1053. There will be no plastic grocery bags for the hard working people of California! In case you do not know. The name of the California governor is Gavin Newsom. Newsom signed the bill yesterday afternoon using the 49er/Ram game as cover! Please help Bobby and I Make Our Children Healthy Again! MAGA!

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    It is happening again! The governor of our largest 3rd world state named California signed a bill yesterday eliminating plastic bags at your local grocery store. It is SB 1053. There will be no plastic grocery bags for the hard working people of California! In case you do not know. The name of the California governor is Gavin Newsom. Newsom signed the bill yesterday afternoon using the 49er/Ram game as cover! Please help Bobby and I Make Our Children Healthy Again! MAGA!

     
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    sundance can you please cordially explain your opposition to having plastic bags banned ?

    what are your specific reasons ? 

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    sundance can you please cordially explain your opposition to having plastic bags banned ?

    what are your specific reasons ? 

     
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    I would go along with the total elimination of plastic bags if the powers that be would eliminate all plastic tops. Can you tell me why this thread was moved to the PB? California SB 1053 is legit. I tell the truth inside the politics forum yet this important thread is 'book burned' by the Left!

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    I would go along with the total elimination of plastic bags if the powers that be would eliminate all plastic tops. Can you tell me why this thread was moved to the PB? California SB 1053 is legit. I tell the truth inside the politics forum yet this important thread is 'book burned' by the Left!

     
     
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    It feels good to come into a very important thread that has been 'book burned' by Lefty mods. What is The Asterisk (joe biden is The Asterisk in charge) eliminating next? You would have to think very deep and very hard on the subject. On the day after Christmas The Asterisk eliminated gas powered tankless water heaters! Why did The Asterisk make this huge decision? The decision was made to save the planet from CO2 emissions created from the gas powered tankless water heaters! I can not wait for the LEO's going through every home in America to ensure that all gas powered tankless water heaters will be removed from each and every home in The Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave! Just a friendly reminder. Posters inside Covers voted for this and the man that took indecent liberties with his daughter inside the shower! 

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    It feels good to come into a very important thread that has been 'book burned' by Lefty mods. What is The Asterisk (joe biden is The Asterisk in charge) eliminating next? You would have to think very deep and very hard on the subject. On the day after Christmas The Asterisk eliminated gas powered tankless water heaters! Why did The Asterisk make this huge decision? The decision was made to save the planet from CO2 emissions created from the gas powered tankless water heaters! I can not wait for the LEO's going through every home in America to ensure that all gas powered tankless water heaters will be removed from each and every home in The Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave! Just a friendly reminder. Posters inside Covers voted for this and the man that took indecent liberties with his daughter inside the shower! 

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