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on talent alone...Geelong handsdown but after a 6 day break on a very hard surface and word from the cattery is a few of the boys are quite sore then Collingwood to win is not a bad bet at those odds but then again this is Geelong and Stevie J, Mooney, Ablett and Chapman are in supreme form right now
 
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will magpies buy into their own hype and choke again?

 
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Choke   they'll be prepared for war. The hungry dog wins, last year's PF was a painful memory they want to erase by winning tonight. This team has no fear against Geelong with their form, they know they can beat them and besides it's not the finals.

Also the cat's have been ordinary at MCG.

I believe this is the right play, how could you take geelong in this spot. It's not worth it, not saying they won't win but 1.75!!!






 
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Not going to be back till tomorrow, I'll be well drunk for the replay at 11:30pm for us Sydneysiders   But hey who gives a shit, there's plenty of things to do before then, just gotta stay away from browsing the net for the score on my mobile. 

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Bunch of fucking wimps, couldn't even go down swinging. Matched it with em for most of the game to fold like a cheap suit. This is the reason why these sad bitches will never win a premiership for another couple of decades or this century.

No, Geelong weren't 6 goals better than this side, they just took what was given to them. 

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Quote Originally Posted by Bobbys_pregame:

will magpies buy into their own hype and choke again?




 
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Choke   they'll be prepared for war. The hungry dog wins, last year's PF was a painful memory they want to erase by winning tonight. This team has no fear against Geelong with their form, they know they can beat them and besides it's not the finals.

Also the cat's have been ordinary at MCG.

I believe this is the right play, how could you take geelong in this spot. It's not worth it, not saying they won't win but 1.75!!!


Sorry not one of those 'after the fact' posts but i was at the game last night straight from work so didn't read your post before the game.  The same questions would have been asked before the game if i had read your post...

Choke   they'll be prepared for war.
1. Why would losing to Geelong be a "choke"?

The hungry dog wins, last year's PF was a painful memory they want to erase by winning tonight.
2. Why last year's PF loss a painful memory to erase any more than Geelong's only loss of the season to Collingwood in '08?  Geelong still sour from that and never will let that happen again.

This team has no fear against Geelong with their form, they know they can beat them and besides it's not the finals.
3. Great form, yes but why would that mean they have no fear against Geelong when Geelong had pumped them 3 times the year before and by 73 points or so in previous meeting?

Also the cat's have been ordinary at MCG.
4. Explain

I believe this is the right play, how could you take geelong in this spot. It's not worth it, not saying they won't win but 1.75!!!
5. 1.75 is not short, it was only a -3.5  line.  Not like they were $1.30 and 20 point favourites.  I don't think Geelong have been a dog for years, this was as close to as even odds Geelong have been for some time by memory.
 
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Sorry not one of those 'after the fact' posts but i was at the game last night straight from work so didn't read your post before the game.  The same questions would have been asked before the game if i had read your post...

Choke   they'll be prepared for war.
1. Why would losing to Geelong be a "choke"?
What kicking 2 goals for the 2nd half isn't choking. Collingwood clearly have the talent to beat Geelong.

The hungry dog wins, last year's PF was a painful memory they want to erase by winning tonight.
2. Why last year's PF loss a painful memory to erase any more than Geelong's only loss of the season to Collingwood in '08?  Geelong still sour from that and never will let that happen again.

So regular season game is more important than the PF

This team has no fear against Geelong with their form, they know they can beat them and besides it's not the finals.
3. Great form, yes but why would that mean they have no fear against Geelong when Geelong had pumped them 3 times the year before and by 73 points or so in previous meeting?

You clearly don't understand what I mean by no fear, they know they can outplay the Cats.

Also the cat's have been ordinary at MCG.
4. Explain

Loss to Carlton, scraped a win against the hawks. Compare that to their record at skilled, pretty ordinary to me.

I believe this is the right play, how could you take geelong in this spot. It's not worth it, not saying they won't win but 1.75!!!
5. 1.75 is not short, it was only a -3.5  line.  Not like they were $1.30 and 20 point favourites.  I don't think Geelong have been a dog for years, this was as close to as even odds Geelong have been for some time by memory.

Good luck to ya I hope you put shit loads on your team. You clearly don't understand what I am stating. This was an even match up to me before the game, Collingwood CHOKED! you were at the game for christ sake, did you not see the was they played after mid way thru the 3rd Q or were you too busy watching your boys run around.

Your thought process is obvious, Geelong doesn't lose. Not long ago they were defeated by the blues 'The big premiership contenders'

 
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* did you not see the way they played after mid way
 
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2. Why last year's PF loss a painful memory to erase any more than Geelong's only loss of the season to Collingwood in '08?  Geelong still sour from that and never will let that happen again.

btw Geelong lost to the hawks in the GF '08




 
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mate it wasn't an attack at all don't be so defensive, I was questioning your statements for you to explain further.  Let me clarify a little.

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To me, choking means losing when you are clearly expected to win (eg if Collingwood was playing Richmond) or losing the game by falling to shit when you had it in the bag (eg up by 40 points mid way through 3rd and losing from there).  Losing to a good team when you are the underdog (even slight) in my opinion is not the definition of choking in sports.  How is losing in this case a choke? Or does choking mean something different to you than my understanding of it?

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I believe and have heard on the radio that the 86 points loss in '08 was a big embarrassment and they would not let that happen again to Collingwood.  I agree with you that the loss in PF would be a great motivational factor for Collingwood to win, I was simply adding Geelong would have their own motivations to win (in addition to a statement for a threat)

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My interpretation of the term 'hold no fear' is that a team has right to be confident of the upcoming match due to previous meetings.  Perhaps I misunderstood the point you were trying to get across.

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Trying to understand how you reached this conclusion, a 2-1 record this year at MCG and last time on the ground was a grand final victory following undefeated finals series. Not saying you are wrong, just asking for explanation of your statement.  Which you've done now.

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My question here was, did you think $1.75 was too short an odd for Geelong to win the game?  That is what your statement indicated.
My comment was that those odds were as near an even betting match Geelong has been in years. 

The final parts of your post there seems like a personal attach to me, no comment.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by jdoobiz:

2. Why last year's PF loss a painful memory to erase any more than Geelong's only loss of the season to Collingwood in '08?  Geelong still sour from that and never will let that happen again.

btw Geelong lost to the hawks in the GF '08






Was talking about regular season, their record was 21-1 heading into finals. I'm aware they lost the Grand Final in '08 and they haven't lost to Hawthorn since?
 
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Quote Originally Posted by gmanea:

mate it wasn't an attack at all don't be so defensive, I was questioning your statements for you to explain further.  Let me clarify a little.
So I've answered your questions and explained further.

1.
To me, choking means losing when you are clearly expected to win (eg if Collingwood was playing Richmond) or losing the game by falling to shit when you had it in the bag (eg up by 40 points mid way through 3rd and losing from there).  Losing to a good team when you are the underdog (even slight) in my opinion is not the definition of choking in sports.  How is losing in this case a choke? Or does choking mean something different to you than my understanding of it?
I believe it's also choking when you're scoring 120+ against decent opponents to only end up with 50 and turn in a shit performance. To not play to their full potential and get run over like the wooden spoon contenders is also choking from a team that was on top of the table. No one expected anything, they had the form so you couldn't deny their chances.
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I believe and have heard on the radio that the 86 points loss in '08 was a big embarrassment and they would not let that happen again to Collingwood.  I agree with you that the loss in PF would be a great motivational factor for Collingwood to win, I was simply adding Geelong would have their own motivations to win (in addition to a statement for a threat)
'Not let happen again'.... common mate, does this apply for Carlton also. Great team like Geelong losing by 6 goals to the same team twice. Why weren't they motivated in Round 5?
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My interpretation of the term 'hold no fear' is that a team has right to be confident of the upcoming match due to previous meetings.  Perhaps I misunderstood the point you were trying to get across.
Collingwood had every right to be confident for this clash. They were not only beating sides but blowing them off the park. Hence the no fear attitude and self belief was expected. They know they can beat Geelong, only 3 meetings ago they won by 86, wouldn't call the 2009 regular season meeting a bad beat like the '09 PF
4.
Trying to understand how you reached this conclusion, a 2-1 record this year at MCG and last time on the ground was a grand final victory following undefeated finals series. Not saying you are wrong, just asking for explanation of your statement.  Which you've done now.
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My question here was, did you think $1.75 was too short an odd for Geelong to win the game?  That is what your statement indicated.
My comment was that those odds were as near an even betting match Geelong has been in years. 
I looked at this match up last night as a coin flip, I've also put in the factor that Collingwood were distraught after the '08 PF performance against Geelong, these two sides were the hottest team going into this contest. One team played true to their form and the other one shied away from the contest. The game should have gone down to the wire.
The final parts of your post there seems like a personal attach to me, no comment.
Sorry if I sounded like an asshole, I'm only saying that I know you're a Geelong supporter, that's why you can't seem to understand my point of view.


 
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Was talking about regular season, their record was 21-1 heading into finals. I'm aware they lost the Grand Final in '08 and they haven't lost to Hawthorn since?


They still struggle against Hawthorne, don't know why but they do. Single digit wins since that GF.

If your saying they are sour from losing the one regular season game to the pies from that season, why not from the GF and beat the struggling hawks the way they should. Gotta give the other side some credit.
 
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I'm quite fair and can see others' point of view, you may have taken my original post the wrong way.  I didn't agree with most of what you said in original post and was more or less asking you to explain further, everyone entitled to opinion indeed but wanted to know how you reached those statements and what you meant.

As for Cats struggling against Hawthorn, they've still been beating them but not by large margins.  In all fairness, Geelong played Hawthorn in round 2 after the Hawks had just flogged Melbourne... at the time a 9 point win to Cats didn't look too bad.  Since then Hawks haven't played too well but only been flogged twice.  As you said, it would be nice to give the Hawks a few punishings but haven't lost to them again since.

As for your comments about the loss to Carlton, in round 5 Geelong was out performed on the day.  The loss to them last year would not have been a consideration in terms of motivation for making up for the '09 loss.  The loss last year was insignificant as Geelong and St.Kilda had just had their R14 battle and both had the top two positions sewn up.  Both Geelong and St.Kilda at that stage last year were making heavy changes to their sides resting players thinking ahead to finals.  It was only the week before Geelong had lost to Brisbane and dropped 9 players heading into that game and also lost to them, it didn't bother anyone at the time.  Geelong had beaten Brisbane earlier last year by nearly 100.  Anyhow, my point is the loss to Carlton this year in round 5 was due to being beaten on the day and the loss the year before had no motivational influences as that loss was insignificant.  The loss to Collingwood in '08 was an embarrassment and a different situation.

Comment if you don't agree with anything I just said or have something to add, it's what its all about.

Sorry your comments in your last post about the choking kind of lost me and not sure what you were getting at.


 
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What difference does it make whether Hawthorn flogged Melbourne before playing geelong? They've proven to be a tough match up for the cats win or lose. Forget about the '07 and the '08 season, the cats are beatable for any good disciplined side. Like I said, this game should have gone down to the wire. Collingwood had all the momentum early in the 3rd then rest is history, Jekyll and Hyde performance. All through out the first half you could clearly see the pies had what it takes to beat the cats, even though they struggled to get it inside 50, they were shutting down the cats and holding their own. To kick all those behinds after the early 2 goals in the 3rd, you could clearly see that the nerves got the better of them once again. No one expected them to win by 86 in '08 but thought they were a chance in last years PF and last night they were expected to perform, how can you say it's not choking if you lose to geelong.

I have nothing against the cats, I knew how they were gonna approach the finals last season and that's why I made the bet for them to win the flag, they didn't care about st kilda's reg season success. If you remember the saints were the favorites to win the flag for most of the season and leading into the finals. So who cares if you win every single game in the regular season only to run out of gas in the most important game come september. So last night I thought collingwood would be hungrier to win just like the saints from last season. If it was finals footy and I was getting 1.75 for geelong you and I would be on the same side, I thought it was a good spot for collingwood but like I said again they choked.

You can't say no one expected collingwood to win.

choke:

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b. to become too tense or nervous to perform well: Our team began to choke up in the last inning.


Let's end it, good win by your boys.







 
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Fuck I'm nursing a hangover lying on my bed going back and forth about collingwood's inability to show up for a big events.

I made the poor choice of thinking they'll play true to their form and paid the price. They have beaten the hawks,bombers,blues and the roos by 50+ points at the gee, made light work of the dockers at subi and now I have to explain myself to the chairman of the GFC 





 
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my exhaust fell off on the way home. grr terrible afternoon. product of working on unsealed roads.

For what it's worth, as you said there were people that expected collingwood to win... happened to be the guy on top of me in work tipping comp.
 
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hey biz you clearly do not respect this geelong football club do you?

I'm thinking you are a collingwood supporter You are also clearly wrong by stating the Magpies will not win a premiership for 20 or so yearsthey will get their chance just like the Hawks did in 2008 but come on man the cats have been the best side since the Lions and Hawks past and this media crazed collingwood side will never be in the same class and if you still believe the magpies are a better team than the final result on friday night then tell me apart from Medhurst (a good player not great) who will come in a add to the collingwood depth?

Geelong have Ottens, Corey, Rooke who are in the best 22 still to come back, so I am sorry but I hope you learn something next time when betting against this team. Didak is so overrated it's quite funny as the pressure is always on him in the big games but he clearly knows he's no great player. Davis well no more can be said about him and of course Cloke who will play well against good backman but comes up short against the very best. Superstars of the past have made a name for themselves by beating the very best, Brereton, Carey, Ablett, Hird, Voss and until Collingwood step away from the limelight and actually concentrate on football like the Geelong boys do week in week out then Joffa will be quite depressed yet again come finals time.

 
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Collingwood played the best they possibly could and in all honesty the Cats were not at their best but they still showed for 7 minutes who was a better team. If Collingwood were brave and as competitive as you say then why did Geelong kick 5 goals (should have been 6 due to Ling's miss) without Collingwood basically get a forward entry nor any competitive tempo in those final minutes of the 3rd?
All the best and I guess Cloke, Davis and Didak can now play a blinder against the depleted Lions and all will be forgoten in the media once again.
 
 
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Hey Bobby, when did I say collingwood were the better team, I said they had a good chance of winning that game on their form. I have no respect for geelong? 

Listen to me carefully, my thoughts were these regular season clashes are more of importance for the team(Top 4 contenders) that are opposing the cats. The cat's lost the '08 GF because they clearly ran out of gas and thought they could just coast through for their second premiership. If I had know respect for geelong why did I back em to win last year's flag?

If collingwood played their best you seriously think they would of lost the game the way they have, are fucking serious???  I think they would of played more respectable game and kept it competitive to the siren.

By the way, I  was clearly angry at their shitty performance on friday night, did you really have to take what I said about collingwoods premiership chances that seriously.

Who the fuck are you? 'learn something' before I bet against this team... Fuck off dickhead, another loser trying to be a tough guy after someone loses a bet.

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