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    AFL Round 7 - Discussion

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    Miracle1976
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    Posted: Apr. 28, 2008 - 12:30 AM ET #1

    Lines are out as per Sportingbet 3pm est:
     
    Eagles ($2.15) Vs Carl ($1.70)                 Line 7
    Geel ($1.19) Vs Bris ($4.60)                    Line 33
    Haw ($1.55) Vs Coll ($2.42)                     Line 16
    Rich ($2.35) Vs Saints ($1.58)                 Line 15
    Adel ($1.50) Vs Nth Melb ($2.55)              Line 19
    Syd ($1.50) Vs Bulldogs ($2.55)               Line 19
    Melb ($3.55) Vs Freo ($1.29)                    Line 25
    Ess ($2.90) Vs Port ($1.40)                      Line 22
     
    As per usual, all Line's mentioned above are guesses, but the ML are correct.
     
    Games (teams) that interest me the most are, Carl, Bris, Adel & Port.
     
    All thoughts are obviously welcome, lets see if we can find any gems.   
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    Lines are out as per Sportingbet 3pm est:
     
    Eagles ($2.15) Vs Carl ($1.70)                 Line 7
    Geel ($1.19) Vs Bris ($4.60)                    Line 33
    Haw ($1.55) Vs Coll ($2.42)                     Line 16
    Rich ($2.35) Vs Saints ($1.58)                 Line 15
    Adel ($1.50) Vs Nth Melb ($2.55)              Line 19
    Syd ($1.50) Vs Bulldogs ($2.55)               Line 19
    Melb ($3.55) Vs Freo ($1.29)                    Line 25
    Ess ($2.90) Vs Port ($1.40)                      Line 22
     
    As per usual, all Line's mentioned above are guesses, but the ML are correct.
     
    Games (teams) that interest me the most are, Carl, Bris, Adel & Port.
     
    All thoughts are obviously welcome, lets see if we can find any gems.   
     
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    Posted: Apr. 28, 2008 - 3:40 AM ET #2

    Notice that every week the coach or captain of the opposing team that is going to be playing Geelong the next weekend says "We can beat Geelong" or something to that effect that is on the main page of the AFL website?  I laughed after Lloyd had said it then there was a 99 point whopping. 

    At first glance, Doggies and Possibly Kangaroos look value.
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    Notice that every week the coach or captain of the opposing team that is going to be playing Geelong the next weekend says "We can beat Geelong" or something to that effect that is on the main page of the AFL website?  I laughed after Lloyd had said it then there was a 99 point whopping. 

    At first glance, Doggies and Possibly Kangaroos look value.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 28, 2008 - 3:45 AM ET #3

    i reckon richmond are playing better football than st kilda.
     
    bris, kangas and carlton also interest me.
     
    i reckon your guessses for the lines are a bit high again miracle.
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    i reckon richmond are playing better football than st kilda.
     
    bris, kangas and carlton also interest me.
     
    i reckon your guessses for the lines are a bit high again miracle.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 28, 2008 - 3:52 AM ET #4

    The lines are only there as a guide binomial...to allow for some general discussion to start the week off.
     
    How's your lock on the netball going...score check??
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    The lines are only there as a guide binomial...to allow for some general discussion to start the week off.
     
    How's your lock on the netball going...score check??
     
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    Posted: Apr. 28, 2008 - 3:52 AM ET #5

    at first look without looking into it

    Carlton do look great value to pull this one off ....they will be very dissapointed after last weeks effort against the crows and will wanna bounce back here against the Egirls who are really playing attrociously  and there is a good chance kerr and staker will be out ......and get ready to watch judd absolutely murder his old team , id say 35 touches , 4 goals will be my prediction..... blues great value get on early

    couple of things to consider

    - Geelong coming back from perth (but they have had a decent break)

    - Hawthorn 5 day rest ....collingwood 7 day rest

    - Saints playing awful ...... richmond giving the top teams a good fight

    - Adelaide and kangaroo defense holding teams to low totals (Under written all over it).....does this mean a small winning margin for either side here

    - Sydneys ability to smother running teams and winning their own hard balls ..... are the bulldogs ferocious enough?

    - Melbourne must feel this is it ....finally a winning chance again .....will they take it ..... will freo go back to the same old this week ?

    Essendon showed that they are nothing but an offense team ..... do they have the artilary to outgun port ..... and will the loss of chad cornes effect how port go about their buisness .....because the coach seems to think so .....and so do port adelaide putting a player injured out on the ground means they have no confidence without him ? or does it


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    at first look without looking into it

    Carlton do look great value to pull this one off ....they will be very dissapointed after last weeks effort against the crows and will wanna bounce back here against the Egirls who are really playing attrociously  and there is a good chance kerr and staker will be out ......and get ready to watch judd absolutely murder his old team , id say 35 touches , 4 goals will be my prediction..... blues great value get on early

    couple of things to consider

    - Geelong coming back from perth (but they have had a decent break)

    - Hawthorn 5 day rest ....collingwood 7 day rest

    - Saints playing awful ...... richmond giving the top teams a good fight

    - Adelaide and kangaroo defense holding teams to low totals (Under written all over it).....does this mean a small winning margin for either side here

    - Sydneys ability to smother running teams and winning their own hard balls ..... are the bulldogs ferocious enough?

    - Melbourne must feel this is it ....finally a winning chance again .....will they take it ..... will freo go back to the same old this week ?

    Essendon showed that they are nothing but an offense team ..... do they have the artilary to outgun port ..... and will the loss of chad cornes effect how port go about their buisness .....because the coach seems to think so .....and so do port adelaide putting a player injured out on the ground means they have no confidence without him ? or does it


     
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    Posted: Apr. 28, 2008 - 3:56 AM ET #6

    Ill put my leans after all the ramblings

    Carlton
    Brisbane
    Collingwood
    St. Kilda
    Kangaroos
    Sydney
    Melbourne
    I like essendon but i would go with port adelaide with a gun to my head
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    Ill put my leans after all the ramblings

    Carlton
    Brisbane
    Collingwood
    St. Kilda
    Kangaroos
    Sydney
    Melbourne
    I like essendon but i would go with port adelaide with a gun to my head
     
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    Posted: Apr. 28, 2008 - 4:25 AM ET #7

    After some thought over the past hour or so I don't believe any of the games provide any real value. I will add more later in the week, I will have to do more than the usual research this week to find 1 or 2 plays.  Sometimes it's better to lay off and wait for a better round... in this game you just have to be patient!
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    After some thought over the past hour or so I don't believe any of the games provide any real value. I will add more later in the week, I will have to do more than the usual research this week to find 1 or 2 plays.  Sometimes it's better to lay off and wait for a better round... in this game you just have to be patient!
     
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    Posted: Apr. 28, 2008 - 5:06 AM ET #8

    A few small points to everybody...
     
    Gman,
    I hope Leathal Leigh didn't say the usual bullshit and say they could beat the cats. I thought he would be more clever than that.
     
    Binomial,
    I agree, I think the tigers have been almost faultless since their shakeup a few weeks ago, when they dropped Bowden and weren't going to take half arsed efforts any longer.
     
    Twill
    They aren't ramblings, good points. I thought the AFL made it a rule this year that no team could play another who has more than one days extra rest than them (or along those lines)
     
    Miracle
    Its hard to say exactly, without the lines but I think there are value games again this week. You know what the lines will be, you got them spot on last week.
     
    My leans,
    Kangas (looks like the best of the round, at first look)
    Hawks (depending on Franklin fitness)
    Freo (perhaps)
    Port (Cornes big loss but likely play on some level)
    Carlton
    Richmond (maybe)
     
    There's been a few games the last 2 weeks where poor kicking has resulted in a team not covering or coming very close to not covering. very annoying.
     
    The thing about the cats (33, big line) is the better the opposition the better they play. Back at home, better opposition than last week, lions haven't played very well down there (on memory).
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    A few small points to everybody...
     
    Gman,
    I hope Leathal Leigh didn't say the usual bullshit and say they could beat the cats. I thought he would be more clever than that.
     
    Binomial,
    I agree, I think the tigers have been almost faultless since their shakeup a few weeks ago, when they dropped Bowden and weren't going to take half arsed efforts any longer.
     
    Twill
    They aren't ramblings, good points. I thought the AFL made it a rule this year that no team could play another who has more than one days extra rest than them (or along those lines)
     
    Miracle
    Its hard to say exactly, without the lines but I think there are value games again this week. You know what the lines will be, you got them spot on last week.
     
    My leans,
    Kangas (looks like the best of the round, at first look)
    Hawks (depending on Franklin fitness)
    Freo (perhaps)
    Port (Cornes big loss but likely play on some level)
    Carlton
    Richmond (maybe)
     
    There's been a few games the last 2 weeks where poor kicking has resulted in a team not covering or coming very close to not covering. very annoying.
     
    The thing about the cats (33, big line) is the better the opposition the better they play. Back at home, better opposition than last week, lions haven't played very well down there (on memory).
     
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    Posted: Apr. 28, 2008 - 5:10 AM ET #9

    The lines have certainly corrected, maybe overly corrected on a few teams. A couple of the dogs are looking tempting.
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    The lines have certainly corrected, maybe overly corrected on a few teams. A couple of the dogs are looking tempting.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 28, 2008 - 6:08 AM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by tozer:

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    Gman,
    I hope Leathal Leigh didn't say the usual bullshit and say they could beat the cats. I thought he would be more clever than that.
    ...



    Looks like he did haha:

    We can beat Cats: Matthews


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    Quote Originally Posted by tozer:

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    Gman,
    I hope Leathal Leigh didn't say the usual bullshit and say they could beat the cats. I thought he would be more clever than that.
    ...



    Looks like he did haha:

    We can beat Cats: Matthews


     
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    Posted: Apr. 28, 2008 - 6:22 AM ET #11

    Essendon are missing alot of decent players. Lucas, Mcveigh, Davey, Dempsey who was impressive in the first few games, plus a few other lesser players. I think their talent level has dropped below competitive.
     
    That said Port haven't been smashing anyone.
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    Essendon are missing alot of decent players. Lucas, Mcveigh, Davey, Dempsey who was impressive in the first few games, plus a few other lesser players. I think their talent level has dropped below competitive.
     
    That said Port haven't been smashing anyone.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 28, 2008 - 6:38 AM ET #12

    I do actually like Port in this situation, they have the pace to keep up with Ess, have the 'small' forwards that Ess have trouble covering (just like they did against Coll), Ess reducing in confidence every week, Ports onball is much more experienced and better overall, K. Cornes will more than likely get the job on Ess best play maker over the last couple of weeks in Stanton (debatable I know, but when he is on...he is on!), Port have that little extra rest required (IMO) when any side travels interstate, and their record at the Dome is ok I believe.

    And unlucky with the netball binomial by the sounds of it, it is always frustrating when you are so close only for a few things to go wrong in the end

    And g-man, the Mathews call on Bris being able to beat the Cats... reminds me of the time he made the statement in 2001 'If bleeds...we can kill it' regarding to the fact they could beat Ess at the time, and they did!  The line is a great one from a classic movie in the 'Predator'.

    Have we got any sites that give us more data such as; teams away and home record, interstate record, overall record Vs each team, record at particular venues etc etc?????   

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    I do actually like Port in this situation, they have the pace to keep up with Ess, have the 'small' forwards that Ess have trouble covering (just like they did against Coll), Ess reducing in confidence every week, Ports onball is much more experienced and better overall, K. Cornes will more than likely get the job on Ess best play maker over the last couple of weeks in Stanton (debatable I know, but when he is on...he is on!), Port have that little extra rest required (IMO) when any side travels interstate, and their record at the Dome is ok I believe.

    And unlucky with the netball binomial by the sounds of it, it is always frustrating when you are so close only for a few things to go wrong in the end

    And g-man, the Mathews call on Bris being able to beat the Cats... reminds me of the time he made the statement in 2001 'If bleeds...we can kill it' regarding to the fact they could beat Ess at the time, and they did!  The line is a great one from a classic movie in the 'Predator'.

    Have we got any sites that give us more data such as; teams away and home record, interstate record, overall record Vs each team, record at particular venues etc etc?????   

     
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    Posted: Apr. 28, 2008 - 6:43 AM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by binomial:

    Essendon are missing alot of decent players. Lucas, Mcveigh, Davey, Dempsey who was impressive in the first few games, plus a few other lesser players. I think their talent level has dropped below competitive.
     
    That said Port haven't been smashing anyone.


    I'm starting to think the same about the dons too.

    Port hasn't smashed anybody but they've played (Geelong, Sydney, Adelaide, Brisbane, WC, St Kilda) probably played 5 top 8 teams. The Port line is starting to appeal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by binomial:

    Essendon are missing alot of decent players. Lucas, Mcveigh, Davey, Dempsey who was impressive in the first few games, plus a few other lesser players. I think their talent level has dropped below competitive.
     
    That said Port haven't been smashing anyone.


    I'm starting to think the same about the dons too.

    Port hasn't smashed anybody but they've played (Geelong, Sydney, Adelaide, Brisbane, WC, St Kilda) probably played 5 top 8 teams. The Port line is starting to appeal.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 28, 2008 - 8:03 AM ET #14

    1st Impressions with absolutely no research:

    Eagles ($2.15) Vs Carl ($1.70)                 Line 7
    Geel ($1.19) Vs Bris ($4.60)                    Line 33
    Haw ($1.55) Vs Coll ($2.42)                     Line 16
    Rich ($2.35) Vs Saints ($1.58)                 Line 15
    Adel ($1.50) Vs Nth Melb ($2.55)              Line 19
    Syd ($1.50) Vs Bulldogs ($2.55)               Line 19
    Melb ($3.55) Vs Freo ($1.29)                    Line 25
    Ess ($2.90) Vs Port ($1.40)                      Line 22


    Melbourne looks about time to win a match..or at least come within cover.

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    1st Impressions with absolutely no research:

    Eagles ($2.15) Vs Carl ($1.70)                 Line 7
    Geel ($1.19) Vs Bris ($4.60)                    Line 33
    Haw ($1.55) Vs Coll ($2.42)                     Line 16
    Rich ($2.35) Vs Saints ($1.58)                 Line 15
    Adel ($1.50) Vs Nth Melb ($2.55)              Line 19
    Syd ($1.50) Vs Bulldogs ($2.55)               Line 19
    Melb ($3.55) Vs Freo ($1.29)                    Line 25
    Ess ($2.90) Vs Port ($1.40)                      Line 22


    Melbourne looks about time to win a match..or at least come within cover.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 28, 2008 - 8:07 AM ET #15

    I think this round will present a ton of great spots. 
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    I think this round will present a ton of great spots. 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 28, 2008 - 8:17 AM ET #16

    Hard to get to excited about Carlton after I tried to talk them up last round and they put in a soft performance. However, Kerr is suspended, I heard Hunter and Hurn are on crutches and Cox is questionable at least after limping off, and they were already at disgraceful.
     
    Have to think Judd will put them in their place.
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    Hard to get to excited about Carlton after I tried to talk them up last round and they put in a soft performance. However, Kerr is suspended, I heard Hunter and Hurn are on crutches and Cox is questionable at least after limping off, and they were already at disgraceful.
     
    Have to think Judd will put them in their place.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 28, 2008 - 8:29 AM ET #17

    Possibly be tempted by Freo as I am not sure Melbourne could win if they are the only team out there. They are trying to play a high possession game when their skill level and decision making are hideous. Handpasses to players less than a metre away, marked by more than one opposition player were numerous.
     
    In my opinion they should move to the kick it as far as you can towards the goal quickly game plan, while they head up to NT and northern WA and recruit about 25 locals.
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    Possibly be tempted by Freo as I am not sure Melbourne could win if they are the only team out there. They are trying to play a high possession game when their skill level and decision making are hideous. Handpasses to players less than a metre away, marked by more than one opposition player were numerous.
     
    In my opinion they should move to the kick it as far as you can towards the goal quickly game plan, while they head up to NT and northern WA and recruit about 25 locals.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 28, 2008 - 7:09 PM ET #18

    Quote Originally Posted by binomial:

    Possibly be tempted by Freo as I am not sure Melbourne could win if they are the only team out there. They are trying to play a high possession game when their skill level and decision making are hideous. Handpasses to players less than a metre away, marked by more than one opposition player were numerous.
     
    In my opinion they should move to the kick it as far as you can towards the goal quickly game plan, while they head up to NT and northern WA and recruit about 25 locals.


    I agree with you, a relatively low spread, 4 goals, any of the 15 sides should be able to beat melbourne by more than that. The only advantage is they have home ground.

    Their decision making is appaulling. It was good to see some of their experienced players stand up over the last 2 weeks but its hard to make a difference when its just a couple of players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by binomial:

    Possibly be tempted by Freo as I am not sure Melbourne could win if they are the only team out there. They are trying to play a high possession game when their skill level and decision making are hideous. Handpasses to players less than a metre away, marked by more than one opposition player were numerous.
     
    In my opinion they should move to the kick it as far as you can towards the goal quickly game plan, while they head up to NT and northern WA and recruit about 25 locals.


    I agree with you, a relatively low spread, 4 goals, any of the 15 sides should be able to beat melbourne by more than that. The only advantage is they have home ground.

    Their decision making is appaulling. It was good to see some of their experienced players stand up over the last 2 weeks but its hard to make a difference when its just a couple of players.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by binomial:

    Hard to get to excited about Carlton after I tried to talk them up last round and they put in a soft performance. However, Kerr is suspended, I heard Hunter and Hurn are on crutches and Cox is questionable at least after limping off, and they were already at disgraceful.
     
    Have to think Judd will put them in their place.

    Big difference from last week though. Last week was the most inexperienced up against close to the most experienced team. With possibly another 3 of WC's most experienced and best players out, I'd have to take the blues
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    Quote Originally Posted by binomial:

    Hard to get to excited about Carlton after I tried to talk them up last round and they put in a soft performance. However, Kerr is suspended, I heard Hunter and Hurn are on crutches and Cox is questionable at least after limping off, and they were already at disgraceful.
     
    Have to think Judd will put them in their place.

    Big difference from last week though. Last week was the most inexperienced up against close to the most experienced team. With possibly another 3 of WC's most experienced and best players out, I'd have to take the blues
     
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    Posted: Apr. 29, 2008 - 12:53 AM ET #20

    It's very easy to get excited about Carlton when they are playing West Coast!!! 
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    It's very easy to get excited about Carlton when they are playing West Coast!!! 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 29, 2008 - 2:21 AM ET #21

    Early lines from lasseters:
    Eagles  Vs Carl       Line 10.5
    Geel  Vs Bris          Line 27.5
    Haw   Vs Coll          Line 14.5
    Rich  Vs Saints       Line 13.5
    Adel  Vs Nth Melb    Line 15.5
    Syd   Vs Bulldogs    Line 15.5
    Melb  Vs Freo         Line 24.5
    Ess   Vs Port          Line 18.5
     
    No huge plays from me this week. I was  the last few minutes of the lions game. After more of a think about it. I'll more than likely have strong plays on North, Freo and Port. With small plays on Hawks, all pending injury of course. I think there is plenty more money to be made this weekend.
     
    I still don't see why the crows are 2.5 goal favourites.
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    Early lines from lasseters:
    Eagles  Vs Carl       Line 10.5
    Geel  Vs Bris          Line 27.5
    Haw   Vs Coll          Line 14.5
    Rich  Vs Saints       Line 13.5
    Adel  Vs Nth Melb    Line 15.5
    Syd   Vs Bulldogs    Line 15.5
    Melb  Vs Freo         Line 24.5
    Ess   Vs Port          Line 18.5
     
    No huge plays from me this week. I was  the last few minutes of the lions game. After more of a think about it. I'll more than likely have strong plays on North, Freo and Port. With small plays on Hawks, all pending injury of course. I think there is plenty more money to be made this weekend.
     
    I still don't see why the crows are 2.5 goal favourites.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 29, 2008 - 10:01 PM ET #22

    My early leans;
     
    Calrton
    (will they boo Judd, maybe not they aren't feral Pies fans)
     
    Brisvegas to cover
    (Gman is this mumford as good as people say?)
     
    Hawks
    (C'mon the most accurate kick inthe league doing 1-7 is not going to happen every week)
     
    Tigers
    Crows
    Swans
    Freo
    Port
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    My early leans;
     
    Calrton
    (will they boo Judd, maybe not they aren't feral Pies fans)
     
    Brisvegas to cover
    (Gman is this mumford as good as people say?)
     
    Hawks
    (C'mon the most accurate kick inthe league doing 1-7 is not going to happen every week)
     
    Tigers
    Crows
    Swans
    Freo
    Port
     
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    Posted: Apr. 29, 2008 - 11:43 PM ET #23

    I don't know much about mumford, and neither have I heard many people say that he is good.  Yes there is talk of him but not that to hype him up or anything.  I think they're just giving their younger ruckmen a chance of experience whilst ottens is out.
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    I don't know much about mumford, and neither have I heard many people say that he is good.  Yes there is talk of him but not that to hype him up or anything.  I think they're just giving their younger ruckmen a chance of experience whilst ottens is out.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 29, 2008 - 11:46 PM ET #24

    He does look a lot more fluent in his kicking technique however, compared to Blake.  Looks reasonably athletic for a big man.
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    He does look a lot more fluent in his kicking technique however, compared to Blake.  Looks reasonably athletic for a big man.
     
     
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    Posted: Apr. 30, 2008 - 12:55 AM ET #25

    Hi guys,
     
    Sportingbet lines haven't come out yet, but here are the lines from my favourite 'Centrebet'.
     
    West Coast Vs Carl (-11.5)
    Geel (-27.5) Vs Bris
    Haw (-13.5) Vs Coll
    Rich Vs Saints (-12.5)
    Adel (-14.5) Vs Nth Melb
    Syd (-15.5) Vs Bulldogs
    Melb Vs Freo (-23.5)
    Ess Vs Port (-19.5)
     
    Still like both SA's sides...and that's not because I live in Adelaide as I am a Bombers fan, but this looks like a really good spot for them both.  I will come back in either later tonight or tomorrow with more reasons as I'll do more research.
     
    Any more thoughts welcome, to help us make money 
     
    P.S. This could be a tricky round....
     
     
     
     
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    Hi guys,
     
    Sportingbet lines haven't come out yet, but here are the lines from my favourite 'Centrebet'.
     
    West Coast Vs Carl (-11.5)
    Geel (-27.5) Vs Bris
    Haw (-13.5) Vs Coll
    Rich Vs Saints (-12.5)
    Adel (-14.5) Vs Nth Melb
    Syd (-15.5) Vs Bulldogs
    Melb Vs Freo (-23.5)
    Ess Vs Port (-19.5)
     
    Still like both SA's sides...and that's not because I live in Adelaide as I am a Bombers fan, but this looks like a really good spot for them both.  I will come back in either later tonight or tomorrow with more reasons as I'll do more research.
     
    Any more thoughts welcome, to help us make money 
     
    P.S. This could be a tricky round....
     
     
     
     
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