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    Playoff TV ratings down a ‘shocking’ 61 percent in Canada

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    Lippsman
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    Posted: Apr. 22, 2016 - 8:40 AM ET #1

    No surprise here.

    Having no Canadian teams in the Stanley Cup playoffs was expected to have an adverse effect on TV ratings, but even people in the industry are taken aback at how viewers north of the 49th parallel have tuned out this year’s tournament in CBC and Sportsnet.

    Through the first five nights of hockey in the playoffs – from last Wednesday (April 13) through Sunday (April 17) – an average of just 513,000 viewers tuned into the 20 NHL playoff games. Compare that to last spring when there were five Canadian teams playing in the first round and an average of 1.306 million viewers tuned into the first 21 first-round games. That’s a drop of 61 percent from last season.
    “Even with no Canadian teams, those are shockingly low numbers,” said one industry expert. “There were regular season games on TSN two years ago that did better than that.”

    Attempts by thn.com to reach Scott Moore, president of Sportsnet and NHL properties for Rogers, were not successful.
    It’s a shame because Canadians who have not tuned in have missed out on some pretty entertaining hockey. But when there is no rooting interest, the numbers are bound to suffer. Much of that, said one insider, is due to the fact that the life had been sucked out of the Canadian teams pretty much since the all-star break when it became clear that no Canadian teams would make the playoffs this season. That diminished interest early and since there were no Canadian teams that were even battling for a playoff spot down the wire, fans of those teams have tuned out and, apparently, remained tuned out.

    Of course it doesn’t help that the biggest ratings driver in the country was basically out of the playoffs when it won just one of its first 10 games back in October. From that time, the only race the Toronto Maple Leafs were involved in was the one for 30th place, which is exactly where they finished.

    The question now is, can the ratings improve over the course of the rest of the playoffs? Typically, interest in the playoffs diminishes after the first round, but there are some compelling possibilities. The Washington Capitals are serving notice that they mean business in this post-season and they are a compelling story.

    And if the Pittsburgh Penguins can get past the New York Rangers in the first round, it sets up another Alex Ovechkin–Sidney Crosby matchup in the second round, which is bound to draw in more than just the hard-core hockey fans. In the west, the St. Louis Blues are giving the defending Stanley Cup champions all they can handle and the San Jose Sharks- Los Angeles Kings matchup is proving to be the heavyweight battle that was predicted.

    Each game costs about $100,000 to produce and thus far, Hockey Night in Canada has had broadcast crews on hand for four series – Los Angeles vs. San Jose, Detroit vs. Tampa Bay, Pittsburgh vs. the Rangers and Washington vs. Philadelphia. One source close to the situation said that if the Capitals close out the Flyers in four games on Wednesday night, perhaps the crew working that series would move to the series between the New York Islanders and Florida Panthers.

    In terms of the bigger picture, what does it mean when just one in every 69 Canadians is regularly tuning into NHL games at the most crucial time of the year? Even with no Canadian teams, that’s a low number. Perhaps people in Canada are more fans of Canadian teams than they are of the game itself. One thing is certain, broadcasters are missing out big-time on the casual hockey fan, the one who tunes in during the playoffs because he/she has a rooting interest, and that is showing up loud and clear in the ratings number

    source: thehockeynews
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    No surprise here.

    Having no Canadian teams in the Stanley Cup playoffs was expected to have an adverse effect on TV ratings, but even people in the industry are taken aback at how viewers north of the 49th parallel have tuned out this year’s tournament in CBC and Sportsnet.

    Through the first five nights of hockey in the playoffs – from last Wednesday (April 13) through Sunday (April 17) – an average of just 513,000 viewers tuned into the 20 NHL playoff games. Compare that to last spring when there were five Canadian teams playing in the first round and an average of 1.306 million viewers tuned into the first 21 first-round games. That’s a drop of 61 percent from last season.
    “Even with no Canadian teams, those are shockingly low numbers,” said one industry expert. “There were regular season games on TSN two years ago that did better than that.”

    Attempts by thn.com to reach Scott Moore, president of Sportsnet and NHL properties for Rogers, were not successful.
    It’s a shame because Canadians who have not tuned in have missed out on some pretty entertaining hockey. But when there is no rooting interest, the numbers are bound to suffer. Much of that, said one insider, is due to the fact that the life had been sucked out of the Canadian teams pretty much since the all-star break when it became clear that no Canadian teams would make the playoffs this season. That diminished interest early and since there were no Canadian teams that were even battling for a playoff spot down the wire, fans of those teams have tuned out and, apparently, remained tuned out.

    Of course it doesn’t help that the biggest ratings driver in the country was basically out of the playoffs when it won just one of its first 10 games back in October. From that time, the only race the Toronto Maple Leafs were involved in was the one for 30th place, which is exactly where they finished.

    The question now is, can the ratings improve over the course of the rest of the playoffs? Typically, interest in the playoffs diminishes after the first round, but there are some compelling possibilities. The Washington Capitals are serving notice that they mean business in this post-season and they are a compelling story.

    And if the Pittsburgh Penguins can get past the New York Rangers in the first round, it sets up another Alex Ovechkin–Sidney Crosby matchup in the second round, which is bound to draw in more than just the hard-core hockey fans. In the west, the St. Louis Blues are giving the defending Stanley Cup champions all they can handle and the San Jose Sharks- Los Angeles Kings matchup is proving to be the heavyweight battle that was predicted.

    Each game costs about $100,000 to produce and thus far, Hockey Night in Canada has had broadcast crews on hand for four series – Los Angeles vs. San Jose, Detroit vs. Tampa Bay, Pittsburgh vs. the Rangers and Washington vs. Philadelphia. One source close to the situation said that if the Capitals close out the Flyers in four games on Wednesday night, perhaps the crew working that series would move to the series between the New York Islanders and Florida Panthers.

    In terms of the bigger picture, what does it mean when just one in every 69 Canadians is regularly tuning into NHL games at the most crucial time of the year? Even with no Canadian teams, that’s a low number. Perhaps people in Canada are more fans of Canadian teams than they are of the game itself. One thing is certain, broadcasters are missing out big-time on the casual hockey fan, the one who tunes in during the playoffs because he/she has a rooting interest, and that is showing up loud and clear in the ratings number

    source: thehockeynews
     
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    Posted: Apr. 22, 2016 - 9:38 AM ET #2

    Wow those numbers are crazy. Hopefully people in both countries start to tune in when the next round arrives.

    Thanks for all your posts Lipps man. They are always interesting and informing
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    Wow those numbers are crazy. Hopefully people in both countries start to tune in when the next round arrives.

    Thanks for all your posts Lipps man. They are always interesting and informing
     
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    Posted: Apr. 22, 2016 - 10:59 AM ET #3

    Quote Originally Posted by loserforeverz:

    I hate reading stuff like this.. Makes me think the nhl can rig some games next year, to make sure 1 or 2 Canadian teams gets in the playoffs.. 

    I was thinking the same thing.  A LOT of potential money is being lost here with these abysmal ratings. 


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    Quote Originally Posted by loserforeverz:

    I hate reading stuff like this.. Makes me think the nhl can rig some games next year, to make sure 1 or 2 Canadian teams gets in the playoffs.. 

    I was thinking the same thing.  A LOT of potential money is being lost here with these abysmal ratings. 


     
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    Posted: Apr. 22, 2016 - 11:00 AM ET #4

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    Posted: Apr. 22, 2016 - 12:00 PM ET #7

    I guess I'm in the minority Watches NHL
     I usually cheer for non canadian teams since my team is never in the playoffs
    We are the priests of the temples of syrinx
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    I guess I'm in the minority Watches NHL
     I usually cheer for non canadian teams since my team is never in the playoffs
     
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    Posted: Apr. 22, 2016 - 12:17 PM ET #8

    im glad I wont watch this year finals im done son since I was following the league still betting soon ill be done these people know how to make money mcdonalds 24/7
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    im glad I wont watch this year finals im done son since I was following the league still betting soon ill be done these people know how to make money mcdonalds 24/7
     
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    Posted: Apr. 22, 2016 - 1:54 PM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by Polar_Bear:

    We get four months of summer type weather here. Who wants to sit inside watching over exhausted hockey players trudge around on crappy soft ice when the sun is blazing outside here after a long gloomy winter? And now it's to watch players from florida, california and wherever play for teams that never have anything to do with our country LOL...Not happening. Last years final was one of the most brutally boring events I ever watched in my life, I couldn't stomach watching every game, the players were all burnt out, there was zero animosity, probably due to the fact they were all too dead tired, not sure but it was pathetic.


    With respect to your response I think those are BS excuses. Players being tired/burnt out hasn't changed since the day hockey started. Happens in every sport.  I was unaware Canadian summers started in April.  You mean to tell me that all of Canada has a vested interest in the Toronto Blue Jays and Toronto Raptors?  Immigration won't change numbers.  Percentages but not numbers. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Polar_Bear:

    We get four months of summer type weather here. Who wants to sit inside watching over exhausted hockey players trudge around on crappy soft ice when the sun is blazing outside here after a long gloomy winter? And now it's to watch players from florida, california and wherever play for teams that never have anything to do with our country LOL...Not happening. Last years final was one of the most brutally boring events I ever watched in my life, I couldn't stomach watching every game, the players were all burnt out, there was zero animosity, probably due to the fact they were all too dead tired, not sure but it was pathetic.


    With respect to your response I think those are BS excuses. Players being tired/burnt out hasn't changed since the day hockey started. Happens in every sport.  I was unaware Canadian summers started in April.  You mean to tell me that all of Canada has a vested interest in the Toronto Blue Jays and Toronto Raptors?  Immigration won't change numbers.  Percentages but not numbers. 
     
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    Well the sad reality is that the Canadian teams suck, and it has a lot to do with the organizations. Mismanagement of funds and wrong people in wrong positions making poor decisions.

    The younger generation of Canadians isnt going to follow a sport where their hometown team isnt good. Just look at the Jays, they are getting really high ratings and crazy amount of support....Toronto is not a baseball town, thats for sure. 
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    Well the sad reality is that the Canadian teams suck, and it has a lot to do with the organizations. Mismanagement of funds and wrong people in wrong positions making poor decisions.

    The younger generation of Canadians isnt going to follow a sport where their hometown team isnt good. Just look at the Jays, they are getting really high ratings and crazy amount of support....Toronto is not a baseball town, thats for sure. 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 22, 2016 - 2:18 PM ET #11

    BTW take into consideration NHL Centre ice & streams, a lot of these games are being watched on the internet. A lot of people dont even have cable TV anymore, so those numbers would only mean a lot more if it took into account the number of online viewers of these games (and they cant have that accurately)
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    BTW take into consideration NHL Centre ice & streams, a lot of these games are being watched on the internet. A lot of people dont even have cable TV anymore, so those numbers would only mean a lot more if it took into account the number of online viewers of these games (and they cant have that accurately)
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bhawksfan:

    BTW take into consideration NHL Centre ice & streams, a lot of these games are being watched on the internet. A lot of people dont even have cable TV anymore, so those numbers would only mean a lot more if it took into account the number of online viewers of these games (and they cant have that accurately)

    I cut my cable, all I have is an internet connection and stream all sports. Well I also do have Netflix and Hulu. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by bhawksfan:

    BTW take into consideration NHL Centre ice & streams, a lot of these games are being watched on the internet. A lot of people dont even have cable TV anymore, so those numbers would only mean a lot more if it took into account the number of online viewers of these games (and they cant have that accurately)

    I cut my cable, all I have is an internet connection and stream all sports. Well I also do have Netflix and Hulu. 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 22, 2016 - 2:57 PM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by Lippsman:


    I cut my cable, all I have is an internet connection and stream all sports. Well I also do have Netflix and Hulu. 

    That's all you really need 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lippsman:


    I cut my cable, all I have is an internet connection and stream all sports. Well I also do have Netflix and Hulu. 

    That's all you really need 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lippsman:


    I cut my cable, all I have is an internet connection and stream all sports. Well I also do have Netflix and Hulu. 


    Yup, and thats my point. TV ratings dont mean as much nowadays. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lippsman:


    I cut my cable, all I have is an internet connection and stream all sports. Well I also do have Netflix and Hulu. 


    Yup, and thats my point. TV ratings dont mean as much nowadays. 
     
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    I think a BIG factor the LACK of SCORING in games BOTH regular season and playoff. people south OR north of the border do NOT want to watch "soccer on ice". to MANY game like Red Wings @ Lightning game 5 and too FEW like the exciting multiple lead changes and double overtime Blackhawks @ Blues game 5 which just may have been THE best playoff game in YEARS
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    I think a BIG factor the LACK of SCORING in games BOTH regular season and playoff. people south OR north of the border do NOT want to watch "soccer on ice". to MANY game like Red Wings @ Lightning game 5 and too FEW like the exciting multiple lead changes and double overtime Blackhawks @ Blues game 5 which just may have been THE best playoff game in YEARS
     
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    I'm not shocked by this at all.  But the drop in ratings is not all because of the no Canadian teams factor.  There are two other things, one which was already said about the number of people that stream and watch online instead of on tv (I do this most of the time now too).  And lastly, that raw number of a 61% drop in the ratings I don't think accounts for the fact that ratings in general in Canada have dropped since the viewership rights went from a combo of CBC and TSN to Rogers Sportsbet.  Their coverage is complete trash and the personnel moves they made to try and appeal to the younger audience (ie.  George Stromboloupoulos prancing around set in skinny jeans trying to talk about hockey) has had the opposite effect.  It doesn't matter what age you are, if you're a real hockey fan you'd rather listen to Ron Maclean and Don Cherry.  Simple as that!
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    I'm not shocked by this at all.  But the drop in ratings is not all because of the no Canadian teams factor.  There are two other things, one which was already said about the number of people that stream and watch online instead of on tv (I do this most of the time now too).  And lastly, that raw number of a 61% drop in the ratings I don't think accounts for the fact that ratings in general in Canada have dropped since the viewership rights went from a combo of CBC and TSN to Rogers Sportsbet.  Their coverage is complete trash and the personnel moves they made to try and appeal to the younger audience (ie.  George Stromboloupoulos prancing around set in skinny jeans trying to talk about hockey) has had the opposite effect.  It doesn't matter what age you are, if you're a real hockey fan you'd rather listen to Ron Maclean and Don Cherry.  Simple as that!
     
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    Posted: Apr. 22, 2016 - 3:43 PM ET #19

    Have to disagree with you PB about the national interest in the Jays and Raptors.  You express the very typical Toronto view that it is the centre of the universe and speaks for all of Canada.  The only evidence you've provided is the amount of Raps and Jays apparel that you see around in...DOWNTOWN Toronto lol!  Most of the rest of the country actually despises this attitude and the city because of it.  Unless they are already a fan, nobody gives a garbage.

    And I live in Toronto...just fyi.
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    Have to disagree with you PB about the national interest in the Jays and Raptors.  You express the very typical Toronto view that it is the centre of the universe and speaks for all of Canada.  The only evidence you've provided is the amount of Raps and Jays apparel that you see around in...DOWNTOWN Toronto lol!  Most of the rest of the country actually despises this attitude and the city because of it.  Unless they are already a fan, nobody gives a garbage.

    And I live in Toronto...just fyi.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 22, 2016 - 4:13 PM ET #20

    Sportsnet killing cbc 
    The games aren't free anymore 
    You need a upgraded cable package 
    Always switching channels sucks
    Id like to see a whole new broadcasting crew 
    I'm Blaming the media on this one lol 
    Bunch of Hoosiers 
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    Sportsnet killing cbc 
    The games aren't free anymore 
    You need a upgraded cable package 
    Always switching channels sucks
    Id like to see a whole new broadcasting crew 
    I'm Blaming the media on this one lol 
    Bunch of Hoosiers 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 22, 2016 - 5:21 PM ET #22

    MLB attendance, they are almost at the top of the list. 

    https://espn.go.com/mlb/attendance

    NBA attendance, they are at the  exact same spot.

    https://espn.go.com/nba/attendance

    It's not your father and grandfathers Canada anymore
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    MLB attendance, they are almost at the top of the list. 

    https://espn.go.com/mlb/attendance

    NBA attendance, they are at the  exact same spot.

    https://espn.go.com/nba/attendance

    It's not your father and grandfathers Canada anymore
     
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