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    how much longer is this foolishness going to go on in Phoenix?

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    Posted: May. 3, 2011 - 11:06 PM ET #1

    was checking out Coach's Corner and other stories in CBC.ca between periods of the Canucks @ Nashville game and came upon THIS beauty....

    Glendale pays $25 million to cover Coyotes' losses

    https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/stanleycup/story/2011/05/03/sp-hockey-coyotes.html

    unless Gary Bettman want's to make it up to the City of Glendale taxpayers out of his own damn salary, he should just hold his NY nose and ALLOW the TEAM to MOVE!!!

     

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.

    was checking out Coach's Corner and other stories in CBC.ca between periods of the Canucks @ Nashville game and came upon THIS beauty....

    Glendale pays $25 million to cover Coyotes' losses

    https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/stanleycup/story/2011/05/03/sp-hockey-coyotes.html

    unless Gary Bettman want's to make it up to the City of Glendale taxpayers out of his own damn salary, he should just hold his NY nose and ALLOW the TEAM to MOVE!!!

     

     
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    Posted: May. 3, 2011 - 11:09 PM ET #2

    Quote Originally Posted by LeRinkRat:

    was checking out Coach's Corner and other stories in CBC.ca between periods of the Canucks @ Nashville game and came upon THIS beauty....

    Glendale pays $25 million to cover Coyotes' losses

    https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/stanleycup/story/2011/05/03/sp-hockey-coyotes.html

    unless Gary Bettman want's to make it up to the City of Glendale taxpayers out of his own damn salary, he should just hold his NY nose and ALLOW the TEAM to MOVE!!!

     

      The count(Bettman) despises Canada, Well count, the feeling is mutual     
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeRinkRat:

    was checking out Coach's Corner and other stories in CBC.ca between periods of the Canucks @ Nashville game and came upon THIS beauty....

    Glendale pays $25 million to cover Coyotes' losses

    https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/stanleycup/story/2011/05/03/sp-hockey-coyotes.html

    unless Gary Bettman want's to make it up to the City of Glendale taxpayers out of his own damn salary, he should just hold his NY nose and ALLOW the TEAM to MOVE!!!

     

      The count(Bettman) despises Canada, Well count, the feeling is mutual     
     
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    Posted: May. 3, 2011 - 11:20 PM ET #3

     The count(Bettman) despises Canada, Well count, the feeling is mutual

    you won't find many fans in the States that think much of the bastard either. most rational fans down here think it was NUTS to put those teams in non-traditional southern cities.

    only three doing worth a shit fan support wise are the Predators, Hurricanes (both suprise me) and Lightning . the rest were a waste of franchise fees or, like Phoenix, "failed" team moves.

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     The count(Bettman) despises Canada, Well count, the feeling is mutual

    you won't find many fans in the States that think much of the bastard either. most rational fans down here think it was NUTS to put those teams in non-traditional southern cities.

    only three doing worth a shit fan support wise are the Predators, Hurricanes (both suprise me) and Lightning . the rest were a waste of franchise fees or, like Phoenix, "failed" team moves.

     
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    Posted: May. 3, 2011 - 11:34 PM ET #4

    or, like Phoenix, and the North Stars to Dallas, "failed" team moves.

    almost every game I watched @ Dallas this season, the AA Arena looked damn near empty 

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    or, like Phoenix, and the North Stars to Dallas, "failed" team moves.

    almost every game I watched @ Dallas this season, the AA Arena looked damn near empty 

     
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    Posted: May. 3, 2011 - 11:42 PM ET #5

    Rat Bettman is the ultimo PRICK

    Makes rule changes between periods during game 1 of the Det/Phx series about throwing Octupi onto the ice at the Joe, Now theres a rule about the green guys in Van not being able to showboat around the Penalty Box. Dude is a fucking joke.

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    Rat Bettman is the ultimo PRICK

    Makes rule changes between periods during game 1 of the Det/Phx series about throwing Octupi onto the ice at the Joe, Now theres a rule about the green guys in Van not being able to showboat around the Penalty Box. Dude is a fucking joke.

     
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    Posted: May. 3, 2011 - 11:50 PM ET #6

    Now theres a rule about the green guys in Van not being able to showboat around the Penalty Box

    saw that on CBC.ca HNiC video. WTF???

    what IS this? motherfuckin' GOLF???

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    Now theres a rule about the green guys in Van not being able to showboat around the Penalty Box

    saw that on CBC.ca HNiC video. WTF???

    what IS this? motherfuckin' GOLF???

     
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    Posted: May. 4, 2011 - 12:00 AM ET #7

    I think San Jose & the Kings had the highest average attendance over the past 2 years among the southern & west coast teams.
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    I think San Jose & the Kings had the highest average attendance over the past 2 years among the southern & west coast teams.
     
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    Posted: May. 4, 2011 - 12:09 AM ET #8

    19 teams are at 95%+ home capacity, while the other 11 are 88% or less. The only ones of those 11 that aren't "new" or relocated franchises are the devils, avalanche & islanders.
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    19 teams are at 95%+ home capacity, while the other 11 are 88% or less. The only ones of those 11 that aren't "new" or relocated franchises are the devils, avalanche & islanders.
     
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    Posted: May. 4, 2011 - 12:12 AM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalSmoke:

    Rat Bettman is the ultimo PRICK

    Makes rule changes between periods during game 1 of the Det/Phx series about throwing Octupi onto the ice at the Joe, Now theres a rule about the green guys in Van not being able to showboat around the Penalty Box. Dude is a fucking joke.

     

    wow didnt hear about this... what exactly is the rule ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalSmoke:

    Rat Bettman is the ultimo PRICK

    Makes rule changes between periods during game 1 of the Det/Phx series about throwing Octupi onto the ice at the Joe, Now theres a rule about the green guys in Van not being able to showboat around the Penalty Box. Dude is a fucking joke.

     

    wow didnt hear about this... what exactly is the rule ?

     
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    Posted: May. 4, 2011 - 12:15 AM ET #10

    I don't know what they show for attendence in Detroit lately BUT it sure didn't look full most games I watched, at least not in the "lower bowl". probably the economy there.

    Nashville and Carolina actually looked like better attendence this season that the Red Wings  

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    I don't know what they show for attendence in Detroit lately BUT it sure didn't look full most games I watched, at least not in the "lower bowl". probably the economy there.

    Nashville and Carolina actually looked like better attendence this season that the Red Wings  

     
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    Posted: May. 4, 2011 - 12:20 AM ET #11

    wow didnt hear about this... what exactly is the rule ?

    on that CBC stream the Green Guys didn't quote a rule, just said they were restricted in some of their "act"

    >>> https://www.cbc.ca/video/#/Sports/Hockey/ID=1907561422

    TRES Cool, "Canuckmobile"

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    wow didnt hear about this... what exactly is the rule ?

    on that CBC stream the Green Guys didn't quote a rule, just said they were restricted in some of their "act"

    >>> https://www.cbc.ca/video/#/Sports/Hockey/ID=1907561422

    TRES Cool, "Canuckmobile"

     
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    Posted: May. 4, 2011 - 1:23 AM ET #12

    Detroit was down this year at 17th in home capacity, but that was still 98.5%. They were 5th in average attendance because they have one of the bigger rinks though. Pens were 1st at 107.6% (SRO) & that was without malkin & crosby for a large chunk of the season.
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    Detroit was down this year at 17th in home capacity, but that was still 98.5%. They were 5th in average attendance because they have one of the bigger rinks though. Pens were 1st at 107.6% (SRO) & that was without malkin & crosby for a large chunk of the season.
     
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    Posted: May. 4, 2011 - 11:42 AM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by IHIOUSE:

    wow didnt hear about this... what exactly is the rule ?

     

    Article on rule change in between periods...so bush league Bettman

    Yeah and the Green men are not allowed to hang on the glass disrupt players....Shit to that extent

     

    If the Wings are to go on and win the cup this year, and they do it at home....You'll all know the guy who throws the Octopi right at Bettman as he hands the cup to Nick is me!!

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by IHIOUSE:

    wow didnt hear about this... what exactly is the rule ?

     

    Article on rule change in between periods...so bush league Bettman

    Yeah and the Green men are not allowed to hang on the glass disrupt players....Shit to that extent

     

    If the Wings are to go on and win the cup this year, and they do it at home....You'll all know the guy who throws the Octopi right at Bettman as he hands the cup to Nick is me!!

     

     
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    Article on rule change in between periods...so bush league Bettman

    most excellent rant by Tommy B. it's like Arena security and the Detroit Police condon octopus chucking and then arrest the guy? any self respecing judge is going to throw this out of court.

    I know that the league cracked down back in the mid 90's when Florida fans used to throw hundreds of plastic rats on the ice when the Panthers scored a goal. used to cause undue delays in the game, because it took so damn long to pick them all up, so it became a 2 minute "unsportsmanlike" penalty for any team who's fans threw objects BUT the octopus in Detriot was kind of "grandfathered in" because it was such a long tradition AND didn't really delay the game.

    it's like this tight ass Bettman is trying to turn the NHL playoffs into the fucking Masters in Golf. next thing yfans will be ejected for making any sound when a player is taking a penalty shot.

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    Article on rule change in between periods...so bush league Bettman

    most excellent rant by Tommy B. it's like Arena security and the Detroit Police condon octopus chucking and then arrest the guy? any self respecing judge is going to throw this out of court.

    I know that the league cracked down back in the mid 90's when Florida fans used to throw hundreds of plastic rats on the ice when the Panthers scored a goal. used to cause undue delays in the game, because it took so damn long to pick them all up, so it became a 2 minute "unsportsmanlike" penalty for any team who's fans threw objects BUT the octopus in Detriot was kind of "grandfathered in" because it was such a long tradition AND didn't really delay the game.

    it's like this tight ass Bettman is trying to turn the NHL playoffs into the fucking Masters in Golf. next thing yfans will be ejected for making any sound when a player is taking a penalty shot.

     
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    Posted: May. 4, 2011 - 1:31 PM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalSmoke:

    Rat Bettman is the ultimo PRICK

    Makes rule changes between periods during game 1 of the Det/Phx series about throwing Octupi onto the ice at the Joe, Now theres a rule about the green guys in Van not being able to showboat around the Penalty Box. Dude is a fucking joke.

    buttman as i call him. there is a big word for what they do in detroit TRADITION. when one colleague i work with, who goes there annually, shows up at the playoff game 2 in the first serise and is told at the gate. if thrown an octopus you will be charged and the team could face a 2 min penalty.i find this crazy.yet its a common occurance there.no one is suprised. one of the ice scraper guys will take tho octopus and whip it around his head, to get people pumped. i find this really bad, not respectful for one teams tradition.
    green men? who cares? if there was really a problem you should have stopped them the first time you saw them.buttman.


    also perhaps phoenix wants to be done with this.25 million out of taxes money. maby they can close down a hospital and some schools to pay for the hockey team, make a better city right? im sure phoenix wants this to be over, but not buttman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCalSmoke:

    Rat Bettman is the ultimo PRICK

    Makes rule changes between periods during game 1 of the Det/Phx series about throwing Octupi onto the ice at the Joe, Now theres a rule about the green guys in Van not being able to showboat around the Penalty Box. Dude is a fucking joke.

    buttman as i call him. there is a big word for what they do in detroit TRADITION. when one colleague i work with, who goes there annually, shows up at the playoff game 2 in the first serise and is told at the gate. if thrown an octopus you will be charged and the team could face a 2 min penalty.i find this crazy.yet its a common occurance there.no one is suprised. one of the ice scraper guys will take tho octopus and whip it around his head, to get people pumped. i find this really bad, not respectful for one teams tradition.
    green men? who cares? if there was really a problem you should have stopped them the first time you saw them.buttman.


    also perhaps phoenix wants to be done with this.25 million out of taxes money. maby they can close down a hospital and some schools to pay for the hockey team, make a better city right? im sure phoenix wants this to be over, but not buttman.
     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2011 - 11:46 AM ET #16

    The Yotes had a whopping 71.3% capacity this year for their homes games....Lowest 2nd to the Isles...An even sicker 68.5% last year

    That number would jump to almost 100% for the next 3 years and well over 90%--if not higher-over the next 10 years with an easy transfer to the North. As well as bringing back some outstanding tradition

    Bettman

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    The Yotes had a whopping 71.3% capacity this year for their homes games....Lowest 2nd to the Isles...An even sicker 68.5% last year

    That number would jump to almost 100% for the next 3 years and well over 90%--if not higher-over the next 10 years with an easy transfer to the North. As well as bringing back some outstanding tradition

    Bettman

     
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    Posted: May. 7, 2011 - 2:08 AM ET #17

    Betman has always been a poor man's David Stern-the acorn fell very far from the Tree-the NBA would never leave ESPN for any price-exposure and better product could have pushed the league back up as a major sport but the idiot thought short term like his size....

    MLS gets more $ and exposure and so does Women's College Basketball-nice long term vision, Gary!

     

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    Betman has always been a poor man's David Stern-the acorn fell very far from the Tree-the NBA would never leave ESPN for any price-exposure and better product could have pushed the league back up as a major sport but the idiot thought short term like his size....

    MLS gets more $ and exposure and so does Women's College Basketball-nice long term vision, Gary!

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoyasaxa:

    Betman has always been a poor man's David Stern-the acorn fell very far from the Tree-the NBA would never leave ESPN for any price-exposure and better product could have pushed the league back up as a major sport but the idiot thought short term like his size....

    MLS gets more $ and exposure and so does Women's College Basketball-nice long term vision, Gary!

     

    Im not trying to be a dick, but throw in a comma or a period when needed, it makes your comment so much easier to read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoyasaxa:

    Betman has always been a poor man's David Stern-the acorn fell very far from the Tree-the NBA would never leave ESPN for any price-exposure and better product could have pushed the league back up as a major sport but the idiot thought short term like his size....

    MLS gets more $ and exposure and so does Women's College Basketball-nice long term vision, Gary!

     

    Im not trying to be a dick, but throw in a comma or a period when needed, it makes your comment so much easier to read.

     
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    Posted: May. 7, 2011 - 10:58 AM ET #19

    I try to follow this story, but its turned into a joke.  Buttman is the ultimate joke with his carousel of pretend owners with no money and convicts he brings to the table.  No one is interested in losing 35-40 million annually on this team.  gary screwed Moyes into believing the team could prosper and ruined him financially.  Now buttman is aiding poor Glendale into bankruptcy.  What will the latest imposter millionaire with no money (hullshyster) do to change their fortunes?  They've tried free T-shirts, $1 hotdogs, $1 beers, diamond ring giveaways and nothing has helped.  Here's an idea....why not move the team where ice actually exists and hockey is the #1 sport.  And the Thrashers, that's another cruel JOKE.  You lost gary
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    I try to follow this story, but its turned into a joke.  Buttman is the ultimate joke with his carousel of pretend owners with no money and convicts he brings to the table.  No one is interested in losing 35-40 million annually on this team.  gary screwed Moyes into believing the team could prosper and ruined him financially.  Now buttman is aiding poor Glendale into bankruptcy.  What will the latest imposter millionaire with no money (hullshyster) do to change their fortunes?  They've tried free T-shirts, $1 hotdogs, $1 beers, diamond ring giveaways and nothing has helped.  Here's an idea....why not move the team where ice actually exists and hockey is the #1 sport.  And the Thrashers, that's another cruel JOKE.  You lost gary
     
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    And the Thrashers, that's another cruel JOKE.  You lost gary

    ANY Canadian mid size city would support EITHER the Coyotes or Thrashers better than Phoenix and Atlanta have.and it's NOT like they are "bum teams". BOTH are competetive

    and btw, What will the latest imposter millionaire with no money (hullshyster) do to change their fortunes? is Oh So TRUE. this guy Matthew Hulsizer smells like a re-run of former LA Kings owner-fraudster Bruce McNall. Hulsizer is listed as "CEO of Peak 6 Investment" which is a "hot money" hedge fund NO ONE knows ANYTHING ABOUT.

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    And the Thrashers, that's another cruel JOKE.  You lost gary

    ANY Canadian mid size city would support EITHER the Coyotes or Thrashers better than Phoenix and Atlanta have.and it's NOT like they are "bum teams". BOTH are competetive

    and btw, What will the latest imposter millionaire with no money (hullshyster) do to change their fortunes? is Oh So TRUE. this guy Matthew Hulsizer smells like a re-run of former LA Kings owner-fraudster Bruce McNall. Hulsizer is listed as "CEO of Peak 6 Investment" which is a "hot money" hedge fund NO ONE knows ANYTHING ABOUT.

     
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    [Quote: Originally Posted by Dangerbay] I try to follow this story, but its turned into a joke.  Buttman is the ultimate joke with his carousel of pretend owners with no money and convicts he brings to the table.  No one is interested in losing 35-40 million annually on this team.  gary screwed Moyes into believing the team could prosper and ruined him financially.  Now buttman is aiding poor Glendale into bankruptcy.  What will the latest imposter millionaire with no money (hullshyster) do to change their fortunes?  They've tried free T-shirts, $1 hotdogs, $1 beers, diamond ring giveaways and nothing has helped.  Here's an idea....why not move the team where ice actually exists and hockey is the #1 sport.  And the Thrashers, that's another cruel JOKE.  You lost gary
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    buttman love it! true ass wished he stayed in nba this is the bonehead who allowed the sale of the islanders to spano who did not have a dime!!!! ONLY IN BUTTMANS N.H.L!

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    [Quote: Originally Posted by Dangerbay] I try to follow this story, but its turned into a joke.  Buttman is the ultimate joke with his carousel of pretend owners with no money and convicts he brings to the table.  No one is interested in losing 35-40 million annually on this team.  gary screwed Moyes into believing the team could prosper and ruined him financially.  Now buttman is aiding poor Glendale into bankruptcy.  What will the latest imposter millionaire with no money (hullshyster) do to change their fortunes?  They've tried free T-shirts, $1 hotdogs, $1 beers, diamond ring giveaways and nothing has helped.  Here's an idea....why not move the team where ice actually exists and hockey is the #1 sport.  And the Thrashers, that's another cruel JOKE.  You lost gary
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    buttman love it! true ass wished he stayed in nba this is the bonehead who allowed the sale of the islanders to spano who did not have a dime!!!! ONLY IN BUTTMANS N.H.L!

     
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    Believe it or not the Coyotes have many loyal fans. It's a hassle for most to get to the games (Glendale) and the drinking and driving laws are so strict it puts a damper on having a few brews at the game. Nikolai Khabibulin learned that the hard way. Phoenix is the 6th largest city in the country and one of the 13 that have all 4 sports. I think hockey could thrive in this market eventually. The Coyotes were a great team this year and most people couldn't even name one player. They need an owner who isn't a joke. A guy who could afford to dish out millions of dollars to attract some top tier players.
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    Believe it or not the Coyotes have many loyal fans. It's a hassle for most to get to the games (Glendale) and the drinking and driving laws are so strict it puts a damper on having a few brews at the game. Nikolai Khabibulin learned that the hard way. Phoenix is the 6th largest city in the country and one of the 13 that have all 4 sports. I think hockey could thrive in this market eventually. The Coyotes were a great team this year and most people couldn't even name one player. They need an owner who isn't a joke. A guy who could afford to dish out millions of dollars to attract some top tier players.
     
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    The Yotes are not going anywhere else soon.  Too much red tape and to much legal shit going on. 

    Atlanta will be the team that could move.

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    The Yotes are not going anywhere else soon.  Too much red tape and to much legal shit going on. 

    Atlanta will be the team that could move.

     
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    gibe Jim Balsillie a fin team!!!
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    gibe Jim Balsillie a fin team!!!
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Messier-11:

    Believe it or not the Coyotes have many loyal fans. It's a hassle for most to get to the games (Glendale) and the drinking and driving laws are so strict it puts a damper on having a few brews at the game. Nikolai Khabibulin learned that the hard way. Phoenix is the 6th largest city in the country and one of the 13 that have all 4 sports. I think hockey could thrive in this market eventually. The Coyotes were a great team this year and most people couldn't even name one player. They need an owner who isn't a joke. A guy who could afford to dish out millions of dollars to attract some top tier players.
    The Yotes have been in the desert for 15 years!! and have not turned a profit.  They average $40,000,000.00 in annual losses because no one turns out for their games.  They also have one of the lowest ticket prices in the league and cannot afford to sign any talented big name players.  Cheap tickets, cheap beer, cheap food (all u can eat buffets) cheap parking, cheap or free merchandise and still the lowest turnout in the league.  Nothing will help this team because its been tried already.  The sale and or moving of this team is bound in red tape as Lipps said and this frustrates any true hockey fan especially cities that are deprived of a prof hockey team.  The residents of Glendale are being fleeced into picking up the tab on this dog or coyote with fleas and the team will be bankrupt and owner-less once again next year. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Messier-11:

    Believe it or not the Coyotes have many loyal fans. It's a hassle for most to get to the games (Glendale) and the drinking and driving laws are so strict it puts a damper on having a few brews at the game. Nikolai Khabibulin learned that the hard way. Phoenix is the 6th largest city in the country and one of the 13 that have all 4 sports. I think hockey could thrive in this market eventually. The Coyotes were a great team this year and most people couldn't even name one player. They need an owner who isn't a joke. A guy who could afford to dish out millions of dollars to attract some top tier players.
    The Yotes have been in the desert for 15 years!! and have not turned a profit.  They average $40,000,000.00 in annual losses because no one turns out for their games.  They also have one of the lowest ticket prices in the league and cannot afford to sign any talented big name players.  Cheap tickets, cheap beer, cheap food (all u can eat buffets) cheap parking, cheap or free merchandise and still the lowest turnout in the league.  Nothing will help this team because its been tried already.  The sale and or moving of this team is bound in red tape as Lipps said and this frustrates any true hockey fan especially cities that are deprived of a prof hockey team.  The residents of Glendale are being fleeced into picking up the tab on this dog or coyote with fleas and the team will be bankrupt and owner-less once again next year. 
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