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    Would someone please tell WR’s and RB’s

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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2018 - 11:09 AM ET #1

    That gaining one or two more yards on a play with a field of 100 yards is not worth flipping and landing to rupture an Achilles or taking the impact on your head???

    It’s all about an ESPN highlight isn’t it.

    Aren’t we taught since High School to never leave our feet and run North South (something even Saquon does terribly).


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    That gaining one or two more yards on a play with a field of 100 yards is not worth flipping and landing to rupture an Achilles or taking the impact on your head???

    It’s all about an ESPN highlight isn’t it.

    Aren’t we taught since High School to never leave our feet and run North South (something even Saquon does terribly).


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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2018 - 11:35 AM ET #2

    None of that matters anymore.  ESPN highlights are about TD dances and choreographed little skits.  

    Could you even imagine Mike Ditka practicing a dance routine before a game?
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    None of that matters anymore.  ESPN highlights are about TD dances and choreographed little skits.  

    Could you even imagine Mike Ditka practicing a dance routine before a game?
     
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    Did somebody say Achilles? Ha! I totally agree with you here Scal. As a coach at a lower level I’ve seen this all the time and I can’t stand it. I grew up under this term and I teach it myself to the players: Less is More. Dont break the chain before it begins meaning, if we keep it simple and trust the process, things usually go well but when we try to do too much, things usually go south. When I ask the players why, they simply tell me they saw it in a game. Social media and the entertainment leagues we see on tv are the reason why we see it at the lower levels. Why do the pros do it? Well....it’s all about me, me, me rather than team team team with most. I saw a play last night where GB made a stop on Minny late and forced a punt. What does Tramon Williams do as the punt bounced at the 15? Rather than get out of the way considering there were 4 purple jerseys surrounding him, he fakes as if he was gonna grab the ball and then quickly tries to get out the way. The result? It touches him, he fumbles and Minnesota gets the ball. Stupid stuff like that along with the plays you speak of above are what fills our leagues nowadays. It’s only gonna get worse too. 
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    Did somebody say Achilles? Ha! I totally agree with you here Scal. As a coach at a lower level I’ve seen this all the time and I can’t stand it. I grew up under this term and I teach it myself to the players: Less is More. Dont break the chain before it begins meaning, if we keep it simple and trust the process, things usually go well but when we try to do too much, things usually go south. When I ask the players why, they simply tell me they saw it in a game. Social media and the entertainment leagues we see on tv are the reason why we see it at the lower levels. Why do the pros do it? Well....it’s all about me, me, me rather than team team team with most. I saw a play last night where GB made a stop on Minny late and forced a punt. What does Tramon Williams do as the punt bounced at the 15? Rather than get out of the way considering there were 4 purple jerseys surrounding him, he fakes as if he was gonna grab the ball and then quickly tries to get out the way. The result? It touches him, he fumbles and Minnesota gets the ball. Stupid stuff like that along with the plays you speak of above are what fills our leagues nowadays. It’s only gonna get worse too. 
     
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    Achilles I saw that play. Boneheaded and it not only ended the game but sealed the non-cover on the backdoor GB +3.5.

    But worse, far worse was the kick returner who was cut who took the ball out of the end zone against the Rams. That had me enraged. I had GB ML several times over in game.

    So this is what you get if you bet the Packers the last three games:

    1. A egomaniacal kick returner ending a Rodgers comeback where only a FG was needed.

    2. A coach kicking the ball back to the Seahawks on 4th and 2 with 4 minutes left and one TO.

    3. A kick returner potentially blowing a backdoor cover so he can fake receiving he ball.

    I’m glad you instruct your players otherwise. Continue to do so despite the obvious ignorance. Many listen.

    Jumbo,

    I think Ditka was involved with the Super Bowl Shuffle! But that wasn’t on the field of play.


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    Achilles I saw that play. Boneheaded and it not only ended the game but sealed the non-cover on the backdoor GB +3.5.

    But worse, far worse was the kick returner who was cut who took the ball out of the end zone against the Rams. That had me enraged. I had GB ML several times over in game.

    So this is what you get if you bet the Packers the last three games:

    1. A egomaniacal kick returner ending a Rodgers comeback where only a FG was needed.

    2. A coach kicking the ball back to the Seahawks on 4th and 2 with 4 minutes left and one TO.

    3. A kick returner potentially blowing a backdoor cover so he can fake receiving he ball.

    I’m glad you instruct your players otherwise. Continue to do so despite the obvious ignorance. Many listen.

    Jumbo,

    I think Ditka was involved with the Super Bowl Shuffle! But that wasn’t on the field of play.


     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2018 - 12:52 PM ET #5

    That late muffed punt by the GB player would/should have him immediately cut and waived today...i dont know or care if he was, but in a next man up league, that one play should never happen, ever...and i am sure that doofus has done similar stuff in other games because players like this dont just have one isolated brain fart, its a life long pattern...the nfl has never been in a place with less talent throughout the roster with the exception of the obvious star positions required

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    That late muffed punt by the GB player would/should have him immediately cut and waived today...i dont know or care if he was, but in a next man up league, that one play should never happen, ever...and i am sure that doofus has done similar stuff in other games because players like this dont just have one isolated brain fart, its a life long pattern...the nfl has never been in a place with less talent throughout the roster with the exception of the obvious star positions required

     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2018 - 1:14 PM ET #6

    that muffed punt play is amazing! how do you not beat the sht out of that dude right there?? how can this happen, i would like to hear one good reason to be anywhere near that ball 

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    that muffed punt play is amazing! how do you not beat the sht out of that dude right there?? how can this happen, i would like to hear one good reason to be anywhere near that ball 

     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2018 - 1:32 PM ET #7

    I would also want to add to the original comment, fumbling the ball while foolishly trying to gain that extra yard.  I can't tell you how many times this year I've had a perfectly good handicap blown or put in jeopardy because some doofus tried to be a hero and gain an extra yard after they'd already gained a key 1st down or even bigger play.
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    I would also want to add to the original comment, fumbling the ball while foolishly trying to gain that extra yard.  I can't tell you how many times this year I've had a perfectly good handicap blown or put in jeopardy because some doofus tried to be a hero and gain an extra yard after they'd already gained a key 1st down or even bigger play.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2018 - 1:45 PM ET #8

    Zebra we all watched the play. We know what we saw. Keep enabling these idiots.

    Dcp, yes good addition.

    Fumbles.

    If I’m a coach, I’m saying run north south and be prepared to be tackled. Unless you are on the 1 or it’s right at the stick, who CARES about 2 or 3 yards when the same play can end your year or career.
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    Zebra we all watched the play. We know what we saw. Keep enabling these idiots.

    Dcp, yes good addition.

    Fumbles.

    If I’m a coach, I’m saying run north south and be prepared to be tackled. Unless you are on the 1 or it’s right at the stick, who CARES about 2 or 3 yards when the same play can end your year or career.
     
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    Well, you just hit on my pet peeve. Guys doing sack dances, backing into the end zone, tossing the ball over their shoulder before even reaching the end zone, high stepping etc. I understand perfectly that there's something to celebrate but c'mon man!! 

    Celebrate AFTER the score. In fact, act like a professional and hand the ball to the official before your stupid celebration. 

    Coaches have a teaching moment here but won't say shjt. When you're 2 and 8 If I'm the coach I'm benching these losers when they celebrate something trivial when you're 2 and fuggin' 8!!


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    Well, you just hit on my pet peeve. Guys doing sack dances, backing into the end zone, tossing the ball over their shoulder before even reaching the end zone, high stepping etc. I understand perfectly that there's something to celebrate but c'mon man!! 

    Celebrate AFTER the score. In fact, act like a professional and hand the ball to the official before your stupid celebration. 

    Coaches have a teaching moment here but won't say shjt. When you're 2 and 8 If I'm the coach I'm benching these losers when they celebrate something trivial when you're 2 and fuggin' 8!!


     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2018 - 4:13 PM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by zebrakiller:

    it wasnt a muffed punt he had no time to get out of the way ball hit ground he got doinked it's now a fumble.Gawd you dopes say dude should be fired.NO BODY could avoid that NO ONE!

    Get a clue Salvatore...and an index card

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    Quote Originally Posted by zebrakiller:

    it wasnt a muffed punt he had no time to get out of the way ball hit ground he got doinked it's now a fumble.Gawd you dopes say dude should be fired.NO BODY could avoid that NO ONE!

    Get a clue Salvatore...and an index card

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by zebrakiller:

    it wasnt a muffed punt he had no time to get out of the way ball hit ground he got doinked it's now a fumble.Gawd you dopes say dude should be fired.NO BODY could avoid that NO ONE!

    reaaaaaaaally??? no time to get out?? it may not be the definition of a muffed punt but he had plenty of time to either catch it or GTFO! 

    he sees the ball, there are 6 vikings around, doesnt ask for a fair catch so he is not catching it / returning it obviously so why tf would he stay there if hes not a moron??

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by zebrakiller:

    it wasnt a muffed punt he had no time to get out of the way ball hit ground he got doinked it's now a fumble.Gawd you dopes say dude should be fired.NO BODY could avoid that NO ONE!

    reaaaaaaaally??? no time to get out?? it may not be the definition of a muffed punt but he had plenty of time to either catch it or GTFO! 

    he sees the ball, there are 6 vikings around, doesnt ask for a fair catch so he is not catching it / returning it obviously so why tf would he stay there if hes not a moron??

     

    min 6:35

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X83UXjYeI5k

     
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    nfl is all about entertainment bettors and old school guys hate it look at the fans and their costumes they love it . your team is down 2 TD and you're pounding your chest . If the league doesn't stop it the coaches have no shot way too much money envolved

    .As for benching a guy who makes a mistake you only have 45 players good luck with that



     


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    nfl is all about entertainment bettors and old school guys hate it look at the fans and their costumes they love it . your team is down 2 TD and you're pounding your chest . If the league doesn't stop it the coaches have no shot way too much money envolved

    .As for benching a guy who makes a mistake you only have 45 players good luck with that



     


     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2018 - 5:22 PM ET #13

    There are mistakes, and then theres this...you can find an nfl special team player like him at any grocery...hes the guy in the back stocking shelves at 2am during the graveyard shift...or doing construction on a local highway...dime a dozen...you do realize all those 1000s of student athletes who graduate college and/or have no more years of eligibility would do anything for a chance "not to eff up" that punt return down 2 scores late in the 4th, right?

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    There are mistakes, and then theres this...you can find an nfl special team player like him at any grocery...hes the guy in the back stocking shelves at 2am during the graveyard shift...or doing construction on a local highway...dime a dozen...you do realize all those 1000s of student athletes who graduate college and/or have no more years of eligibility would do anything for a chance "not to eff up" that punt return down 2 scores late in the 4th, right?

     
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    Posted: Nov. 26, 2018 - 7:42 PM ET #14

    Aaron Rodgers is 1-38 when trailing by more than one point in the 4th quarter to a team who finishes the season with a winning record #GBvsMIN #SNF #Packers #Vikings

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    Aaron Rodgers is 1-38 when trailing by more than one point in the 4th quarter to a team who finishes the season with a winning record #GBvsMIN #SNF #Packers #Vikings

     
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    and there is a reason why those 1000 guys working in the grocery store didn't get drafted or made team as free agents 
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    and there is a reason why those 1000 guys working in the grocery store didn't get drafted or made team as free agents 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by statfreak:

    Quote Originally Posted by zebrakiller:

    it wasnt a muffed punt he had no time to get out of the way ball hit ground he got doinked it's now a fumble.Gawd you dopes say dude should be fired.NO BODY could avoid that NO ONE!
    reaaaaaaaally??? no time to get out?? it may not be the definition of a muffed punt but he had plenty of time to either catch it or GTFO!  he sees the ball, there are 6 vikings around, doesnt ask for a fair catch so he is not catching it / returning it obviously so why tf would he stay there if hes not a moron??   min 6:35 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X83UXjYeI5k

    The game looks a lot different on the field than it does on TV. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with anything said here. I'm simply saying that the game looks different on the field, in the heat of the moment...with a freaking helmet blocking your peripheral vision, than it does from multiple camera angles on a big screen television.

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    it wasnt a muffed punt he had no time to get out of the way ball hit ground he got doinked it's now a fumble.Gawd you dopes say dude should be fired.NO BODY could avoid that NO ONE!
    reaaaaaaaally??? no time to get out?? it may not be the definition of a muffed punt but he had plenty of time to either catch it or GTFO!  he sees the ball, there are 6 vikings around, doesnt ask for a fair catch so he is not catching it / returning it obviously so why tf would he stay there if hes not a moron??   min 6:35 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X83UXjYeI5k

    The game looks a lot different on the field than it does on TV. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with anything said here. I'm simply saying that the game looks different on the field, in the heat of the moment...with a freaking helmet blocking your peripheral vision, than it does from multiple camera angles on a big screen television.

     
     
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    and there is a reason why those 1000 guys working in the grocery store didn't get drafted or made team as free agents

    True, but there are a ton of "Kurt Warners" bagging groceries at this very moment simply because scouts and agents and GMs made obvious mistakes when evaluating overall talent and heart...just saying next man up...no one is entitled a job in pro sports...either you perform or eventually you are showed the door

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    Quote Originally Posted by player:

    and there is a reason why those 1000 guys working in the grocery store didn't get drafted or made team as free agents

    True, but there are a ton of "Kurt Warners" bagging groceries at this very moment simply because scouts and agents and GMs made obvious mistakes when evaluating overall talent and heart...just saying next man up...no one is entitled a job in pro sports...either you perform or eventually you are showed the door

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