WHY WOULD YOU KICK THE FG!?!!?

@HockeyNight11

 That in itself should let everyone know what the deal ??????

Dude should be fired... out of a fucking cannon

@RockCityCapper

Idk if you want to be a conspirator about the under there’s way less obvious ways to achieve that. Sadly, McDaniels is just a genuine idiot who just doesn’t manage a game well. It’s shocking how many coaches actually lack this ability at the highest level. I’m sure he’s thinking well they need 2 scores to win anyway so why not take the 3 now…. But man it made no sense there given the proximity to the end zone and no promises you were seeing that ball again given the time remaining.

@Eprince

 whatever they do it not go over total score.

Bingo imagine watching sports in 2023 and still being oblivious they are all scripted 

@HockeyNight11

 Far from a conspirator, whatever that means. I actually played the game at a high level and coached at a high level. If you think McDaniels doesn’t know what to do in that situation I got some Waterfront property to sell you in the desert. It ain’t rocket science and what makes you think a bunch of bettors has better game management skills than a professional coach? Be real with yourself man. 

I wanted them to try for it.  But you have to score a TD from the 8.  Or at least pick up 4 yards for a first down.  Then you have to go for 2.  They were like 0 for last 7 before making the first 2 pt conversion.  Already the conversion rate is slightly less than 50% on those.  So, you have to actually get it into the EZ twice.  They were already having a hard enough time doing it period.  So, if you miss the TD on 4th -- you then HAVE to have a TD AND 2 pt conversion if your defense stops them.  

IF you do score a TD --- BUT miss the 2 pt -- you still need a FG.  So, it is way less than 50/50 to score a TD AND a 2pt conversion from there on 4th down.  Say around 25% chance of converting both from there.  Whereas, a FG is almost guaranteed.  

Then they had plenty of time to get the ball back with 2:00 min warning and all 3 TOs left.  The defense had stopped them enough before to think they could do it again. The defense let them convert the 3rd and 2 with a pass.  

But, it can be argued that the math and timing is good.

So now all they would need would be a TD and NOT a 2 pt conversion.  So, would only need to get in the EZ once.

However, if they were going to stick with that plan and rely on two drives and take the guaranteed points -- they should have declined the leverage penalty on the first FG attempt.  That would have given them about 50 more seconds to work with.  They could have even had a couple of big plays with that amount of time and kicked another FG if they had run out routes and not had to use TOs.  Then they could still, maybe have had time left to stop them again with time for a drive and a third FG.  But that is asking a lot from the defense and clock.  But for sure they would have had plenty of time for a decent drive.  Even if the defense had stopped them after the last FG they made there would be enough time.

But when you are all the way down to the 8 and the offense is looking better and getting a little lucky with a better pocket and penalties -- you still have momentum.  I think you have to take a shot there.  If you miss it, you for sure have them pinned and things may play out differently and maybe they do not risk a throw to convert on 3rd down that deep in their own side.  Then you could at least have had a shorter field to try to get in the EZ, of course in that situation you always need to get in twice for the 2 pt conversion.

I always wish teams that need two scores in those situations would take the FG pretty quick and save time for a drive for the TD.  Instead, when they get so close to the EZ they keep trying for the TD and wasting the clock.  It becomes so difficult to score when so close to the end zone sometimes.  Take the FG and then have a good drive for the TD knowing it is only a one score game and you have plenty of time and timeouts.  But teams never do this and it backfires and they are forced into hailmarys.

I just do not think this for sure was that exact situation.  

I think it is probably the right decision if Pittsburgh does not convert the 3rd and 2.  They would be punting with just over 2:00 to go.  So they would have the 2:00 stop and 1 TO left.  But if you add the 50 seconds back on if they had declined the penalty, there would have been plenty of time.

You cannot change plans that late in the game.  But after the penalty -- the EZ seemed so much closer, so they just had to try.  Then when they get the ball to the 8 on 4th down -- they change plans again and kick the FG.

Very bad decision making.

I understand why they made the decision; I just did not like it at the time.

@RockCityCapper

Even if the Raiders played it right and stopped the Steelers and got the ball back with 2 minutes and 1 timeout...they still need to score a TD....They would probably have go 75 yards in 2 minutes...That offense all game did not show they can move the ball in that time frame and score a TD vs a pretty good defense.....Raiders are not an explosive offense...

Another way to look at it is they would have had to stop the Steelers from inside their own 5 if they went for it and did not covert instead of a FG or the kicked the FG and then try and stop them with, which they failed to do...4th and goal from the 5 is and easy play with the whole play book in play. It was not 4th and goal from the 15 or something... Bottom line is they would have had to get a stop either way so why not take that chance to go for the game tying TD and 2 point try...

@RockCityCapper

 Cool send me that waterfront place, sounds like a unique piece of property.

@davemsh

 I never said Mcdaniels made the right choice. I said he made the wrong choice intentionally, my statement was if you think a bunch of bettors have better game management since than a professional coach you’re crazy. Coaching staffs ie Bellichck go over these scenarios religiously Mcdaniels knows the drill quit being naive gamblers 

@HockeyNight11

 I got you bud, McDaniel is a shitty coach, but he has learned more game clock management than you average bettors could imagine. He knows the drill 

@Raiders22

 You think mcdaniels had time to think up all this reasoning with 45sec, it took me 5min just to read it....  you got a chance to tie the game in one posession, if you fail the conversion you have to try a fg instead of a TD... only one option gives you the chance in the same  drive...  there is no need to think anything its TD 

because the script says so

@obravo21

 He is not the only one doing the thinking and they do have an idea of what they want to do in these situations and those folks are keeping him abreast, etc.

Sure, I understand what you are saying -- I maybe even agree.

But the odds are very slim that you tie the game on that one possession.  Then you are FORCED to make a drive to tie it IF you can stop them.  This time with less time and fewer timeouts.

The defense will also play you differently as well.  Because if you get the TD but NOT the 2 pt. -- on the next drive they HAVE to play NOT to lose, etc.  If you take a FG, they also have to play you NOT to lose.

IF you MISS the TD the first time; they can THEN play you knowing the worst that can happen is OT, etc.

But I get your point -- believe me, I wanted them to try for the TD.

It will be interesting to see what he says and the computer guys, etc. 

Come on McDaniels is good he just thought there were 5 quarters:) he said in his post game presser that Raiders fans paid for 5 quarters!! He thought they were going to give him a 2nd halftime:(. Thing is I let everyone talk me off the under despite knowing they are money on Sunday nights

@RockCityCapper

 If hitting 72% through the first 3 weeks is average then I don’t wanna be good! 

65% chance of making a 4th and 1

43% chance of making a 4th and 6

with three timeouts and the 2 minute warning, you have to rely on your defense to get a stop. if they can’t they don’t deserve to win the game. Did anyone watching this game think the Raiders actually had a chance of winning this game. Take your wager out of the equation, the Steelers were the better team and it showed. 

You all act like the Raiders lost that game because of a 4th and 6th. They lost because they are not good at all. 

he was going for it on 4th and 1, got a penalty and actually played the percentages. What would have TB12 and BB done? Probably the same thing.  

"You have two choices there," McDaniels said. "You try to make it a five-point game where you have an opportunity to win it with a touchdown if you get the ball back. Or you try to go for it there, and if you happen to convert you have to make the two-point conversion, all the rest of it. So, those are the decisions you've got to make."

 "You're going to need another possession anyway; you know what I mean?" McDaniels said.

Field goal. What a wussy risk. Geez

Hell yeah, you absolutely understand the reason for that kicking.!

Because the script said under. 

Trying to be genius.  Ends up looking below average.  

there was another thread discussing the fishy ending of this game that covers has apparently deleted.  Jesus, cant even have free speech on a 2nd rate sports betting forum.  sad

It was kinda funny listening to Mike Gohlic lose his mind about kicking the FG not once but a second time. What he said that I agree with is you don't even have to get a TD here just a first down. If you don't get the TD you pin them deep and knowing how this team plays it will be three runs and cloud of dust so you will get another chance with decent field position. There is zero upside to this decision.