I see where you are coming from,but just clear up what happens if a receiver catches a ball and is tackled and the ball hits the ground after his knees are down. Time and time again I have seen this and the refs say that the ground can not cause a fumble.. What am I missing, unless the ground did not cause this fumble.
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Hey Van
I see where you are coming from,but just clear up what happens if a receiver catches a ball and is tackled and the ball hits the ground after his knees are down. Time and time again I have seen this and the refs say that the ground can not cause a fumble.. What am I missing, unless the ground did not cause this fumble.
there IS clear evidence that his elbow hit the ground too while controlling the ball.. which constitutes as being down...
so if i dove and caught the ball and held on to it... on my back with one elbow touching the ground...and just chilled and threw it on the ground... would i not have possession going to the ground?
Dude - listen for a minute.
It doesnt matter that his elbow hit the ground first. IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH POSSESSION, HE HAS TO CONTROL THE BALL AFTER HITTING THE GROUND.
Read that again. And again.
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Quote Originally Posted by KomebacKid:
there IS clear evidence that his elbow hit the ground too while controlling the ball.. which constitutes as being down...
so if i dove and caught the ball and held on to it... on my back with one elbow touching the ground...and just chilled and threw it on the ground... would i not have possession going to the ground?
Dude - listen for a minute.
It doesnt matter that his elbow hit the ground first. IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH POSSESSION, HE HAS TO CONTROL THE BALL AFTER HITTING THE GROUND.
so if i dove and caught the ball and held on to it... on my back with one elbow touching the ground...and just chilled and threw it on the ground... would i not have possession going to the ground?
cappy?? u gonna answer? cuz that is the SAME EXACT SCENARIO
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so if i dove and caught the ball and held on to it... on my back with one elbow touching the ground...and just chilled and threw it on the ground... would i not have possession going to the ground?
cappy?? u gonna answer? cuz that is the SAME EXACT SCENARIO
I see where you are coming from,but just clear up what happens if a receiver catches a ball and is tackled and the ball hits the ground after his knees are down. Time and time again I have seen this and the refs say that the ground can not cause a fumble.. What am I missing, unless the ground did not cause this fumble.
If you have established possession in the field of play, then the "ground cant cause a fumble".
If there is a sideline play, or an endzone play - in order to establish possession, you have to control it AFTER hitting the ground. If a guy gets 2 feet in bounds, and then falls out of bounds, and when he hits the ground the ball pops out - even though he had possession when his feet hit - IT IS NOT A CATCH.
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Quote Originally Posted by chopasu:
Hey Van
I see where you are coming from,but just clear up what happens if a receiver catches a ball and is tackled and the ball hits the ground after his knees are down. Time and time again I have seen this and the refs say that the ground can not cause a fumble.. What am I missing, unless the ground did not cause this fumble.
If you have established possession in the field of play, then the "ground cant cause a fumble".
If there is a sideline play, or an endzone play - in order to establish possession, you have to control it AFTER hitting the ground. If a guy gets 2 feet in bounds, and then falls out of bounds, and when he hits the ground the ball pops out - even though he had possession when his feet hit - IT IS NOT A CATCH.
so if i dove and caught the ball and held on to it... on my back with one elbow touching the ground...and just chilled and threw it on the ground... would i not have possession going to the ground?
cappy?? u gonna answer? cuz that is the SAME EXACT SCENARIO
If you just "chilled" you have retained control after hitting the ground.
This is not that hard. Its a rule.
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Quote Originally Posted by KomebacKid:
so if i dove and caught the ball and held on to it... on my back with one elbow touching the ground...and just chilled and threw it on the ground... would i not have possession going to the ground?
cappy?? u gonna answer? cuz that is the SAME EXACT SCENARIO
If you just "chilled" you have retained control after hitting the ground.
so if i dove and caught the ball and held on to it... on my back with one elbow touching the ground...and just chilled and threw it on the ground... would i not have possession going to the ground?
cappy?? u gonna answer? cuz that is the SAME EXACT SCENARIO
if you just "chilled" in the end zone like that,they would rule a TD before you did that. and anywhere else, someone would touch or tackle you and the play would be dead - completed pass. if you think that is the same was what happened, then I can't help you. the announcers corrected themselves, just as vanzack just pointed out. i know everyone wants to win an argument, but i just can't take this now
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Quote Originally Posted by KomebacKid:
so if i dove and caught the ball and held on to it... on my back with one elbow touching the ground...and just chilled and threw it on the ground... would i not have possession going to the ground?
cappy?? u gonna answer? cuz that is the SAME EXACT SCENARIO
if you just "chilled" in the end zone like that,they would rule a TD before you did that. and anywhere else, someone would touch or tackle you and the play would be dead - completed pass. if you think that is the same was what happened, then I can't help you. the announcers corrected themselves, just as vanzack just pointed out. i know everyone wants to win an argument, but i just can't take this now
If you have established possession in the field of play, then the "ground cant cause a fumble".
If there is a sideline play, or an endzone play - in order to establish possession, you have to control it AFTER hitting the ground. If a guy gets 2 feet in bounds, and then falls out of bounds, and when he hits the ground the ball pops out - even though he had possession when his feet hit - IT IS NOT A CATCH.
Two thought, vanzack:
1) This is rocket science to much of this board tonight; 2) A lot of angry, frustrated bettors
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:
If you have established possession in the field of play, then the "ground cant cause a fumble".
If there is a sideline play, or an endzone play - in order to establish possession, you have to control it AFTER hitting the ground. If a guy gets 2 feet in bounds, and then falls out of bounds, and when he hits the ground the ball pops out - even though he had possession when his feet hit - IT IS NOT A CATCH.
Two thought, vanzack:
1) This is rocket science to much of this board tonight; 2) A lot of angry, frustrated bettors
Hey cappy I just asked a question. I didnt bet on the game but I wanted to know the rule so I asked with a scenario. I dont need your smart responses to an answer that I asked for
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Hey cappy I just asked a question. I didnt bet on the game but I wanted to know the rule so I asked with a scenario. I dont need your smart responses to an answer that I asked for
so ur telling me van if i were to catch the ball on the 50 run to the twenty get tackled and the ball pops out...then its incomplete because the ball popped out when i hit the ground?
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so ur telling me van if i were to catch the ball on the 50 run to the twenty get tackled and the ball pops out...then its incomplete because the ball popped out when i hit the ground?
If you just "chilled" you have retained control after hitting the ground.
This is not that hard. Its a rule.
Well his elbow hit the ground before the ball does which means he was DOWN, and possession was kept the entire time up to his elbow hitting the ground.!!!
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If you just "chilled" you have retained control after hitting the ground.
This is not that hard. Its a rule.
Well his elbow hit the ground before the ball does which means he was DOWN, and possession was kept the entire time up to his elbow hitting the ground.!!!
so ur telling me van if i were to catch the ball on the 50 run to the twenty get tackled and the ball pops out...then its incomplete because the ball popped out when i hit the ground?
Too dumb to respond.
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Quote Originally Posted by golfer7788:
so ur telling me van if i were to catch the ball on the 50 run to the twenty get tackled and the ball pops out...then its incomplete because the ball popped out when i hit the ground?
Hey cappy I just asked a question. I didnt bet on the game but I wanted to know the rule so I asked with a scenario. I dont need your smart responses to an answer that I asked for
relax, pal, my comments were not directed at you - - directed at the tons of people on here tonight who don't know the rules but keep trying to tell us it was a catch.
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Quote Originally Posted by chopasu:
Hey cappy I just asked a question. I didnt bet on the game but I wanted to know the rule so I asked with a scenario. I dont need your smart responses to an answer that I asked for
relax, pal, my comments were not directed at you - - directed at the tons of people on here tonight who don't know the rules but keep trying to tell us it was a catch.
If you just "chilled" you have retained control after hitting the ground.
This is not that hard. Its a rule.
Well his elbow hit the ground before the ball does which means he was DOWN, and possession was kept the entire time up to his elbow hitting the ground.!!!
OK - Im going to try to say this SLOWLY - read it twice before you respond.
If you are chilling on the ground, you have established possession. If your elbow hits the ground and the ball pops out SIMULTANEOUSLY, you have not established possesssion.
Possession is somewhere between an elbow hitting and chilling, it is a refs discretion - but certainly if the ball comes out BECAUSE your elbow hit the ground - you have not established possession.
Before you respond with a silly scenario, think. Please.
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Quote Originally Posted by KomebacKid:
If you just "chilled" you have retained control after hitting the ground.
This is not that hard. Its a rule.
Well his elbow hit the ground before the ball does which means he was DOWN, and possession was kept the entire time up to his elbow hitting the ground.!!!
OK - Im going to try to say this SLOWLY - read it twice before you respond.
If you are chilling on the ground, you have established possession. If your elbow hits the ground and the ball pops out SIMULTANEOUSLY, you have not established possesssion.
Possession is somewhere between an elbow hitting and chilling, it is a refs discretion - but certainly if the ball comes out BECAUSE your elbow hit the ground - you have not established possession.
Before you respond with a silly scenario, think. Please.
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