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    Turning $2250 into $100K on opening weekend with little risk....

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    Posted: Aug. 1, 2014 - 7:09 PM ET #1

    So stay with me for a sec, then give me your honest opinion on if I'm nuts or not...

    So I do a 4-team ML parlay putting down $2250

    PHI - gimme game
    DEN - Peyton + Sunday night football + Revenge - Mathis = WIN
    CHI - That offense at home against inexperience Bills - Byrd = WIN
    Pats - Healthy Gronk + stud secondary + gimpy Wallace + whole offseason for Belichick to plan = WIN

    Payoff is $4943.51

    Now, I drop $4900 on an 8 team ML parlay including the above 4 games, but adding 

    STL
    KC
    WAS
    DET

    I'm not nearly as confident about these four as my original for, but they all seem likely to win straight up.

    Total payoff on 8-teamer is $96,464.64

    Total take home $96,464.64 + $4943.51 = $101,408.15




    And if the 8-team loses, I still walk away with a cool $43.51 to buy some dinner 

    Sound good?

    Matty
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    So stay with me for a sec, then give me your honest opinion on if I'm nuts or not...

    So I do a 4-team ML parlay putting down $2250

    PHI - gimme game
    DEN - Peyton + Sunday night football + Revenge - Mathis = WIN
    CHI - That offense at home against inexperience Bills - Byrd = WIN
    Pats - Healthy Gronk + stud secondary + gimpy Wallace + whole offseason for Belichick to plan = WIN

    Payoff is $4943.51

    Now, I drop $4900 on an 8 team ML parlay including the above 4 games, but adding 

    STL
    KC
    WAS
    DET

    I'm not nearly as confident about these four as my original for, but they all seem likely to win straight up.

    Total payoff on 8-teamer is $96,464.64

    Total take home $96,464.64 + $4943.51 = $101,408.15




    And if the 8-team loses, I still walk away with a cool $43.51 to buy some dinner 

    Sound good?

    Matty
     
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    Posted: Aug. 1, 2014 - 9:05 PM ET #2

    So you are going to take the PHI / DEN / CHI / NE winnings and play another parlay on STL / KC / WAS / DET? 
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    So you are going to take the PHI / DEN / CHI / NE winnings and play another parlay on STL / KC / WAS / DET? 
     
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    Posted: Aug. 1, 2014 - 9:18 PM ET #3

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    Posted: Aug. 1, 2014 - 9:18 PM ET #4

    Brady plays like a stiff in Miami very possible loss 

    Chicago is a bad favorite i can see Buffalo with an upset 

    Denver no sure thing 

    I see the Eagles  as the only sure thing ,one of the above will lose 


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    Brady plays like a stiff in Miami very possible loss 

    Chicago is a bad favorite i can see Buffalo with an upset 

    Denver no sure thing 

    I see the Eagles  as the only sure thing ,one of the above will lose 


     
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    Posted: Aug. 1, 2014 - 9:25 PM ET #5

    I'm liking Houston to smash the redskins imo.. I'd risk  a lot less I'd I were you and save more for dinner buddy just in case 
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    I'm liking Houston to smash the redskins imo.. I'd risk  a lot less I'd I were you and save more for dinner buddy just in case 
     
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    Posted: Aug. 1, 2014 - 9:27 PM ET #6

    I think that's a great idea.  Got to think big to win big.  BOL
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    I think that's a great idea.  Got to think big to win big.  BOL
     
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    Posted: Aug. 1, 2014 - 10:43 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by Bart_:

    So you are going to take the PHI / DEN / CHI / NE winnings and play another parlay on STL / KC / WAS / DET?


    No, it's a simultaneous parlay with the 4-team and 8-team, with the 4 "locks" (IMO) basically paying for the crazy 8 team parlay.
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    So you are going to take the PHI / DEN / CHI / NE winnings and play another parlay on STL / KC / WAS / DET?


    No, it's a simultaneous parlay with the 4-team and 8-team, with the 4 "locks" (IMO) basically paying for the crazy 8 team parlay.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 1, 2014 - 10:46 PM ET #8

    so you are actually trying to turn 7150 unto 100k. 

    good luck. 
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    so you are actually trying to turn 7150 unto 100k. 

    good luck. 
     
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    Posted: Aug. 1, 2014 - 10:47 PM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by peter10:

    Brady plays like a stiff in Miami very possible loss Chicago is a bad favorite i can see Buffalo with an upset Denver no sure thing I see the Eagles  as the only sure thing ,one of the above will lose


    Why do you say Chicago is a bad favorite?
    And how is Indy gonna beat Den at home? They barely beat denver at Indy last year. The colts haven't really done anything to get better, and the lost the one reason they gave denver a hard time (Mathis). And the broncos upgraded big time on D, and now they are at home. Seems like a given to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peter10:

    Brady plays like a stiff in Miami very possible loss Chicago is a bad favorite i can see Buffalo with an upset Denver no sure thing I see the Eagles  as the only sure thing ,one of the above will lose


    Why do you say Chicago is a bad favorite?
    And how is Indy gonna beat Den at home? They barely beat denver at Indy last year. The colts haven't really done anything to get better, and the lost the one reason they gave denver a hard time (Mathis). And the broncos upgraded big time on D, and now they are at home. Seems like a given to me.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 1, 2014 - 10:51 PM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by Bart_:

    so you are actually trying to turn 7150 unto 100k. good luck.


    I suppose ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bart_:

    so you are actually trying to turn 7150 unto 100k. good luck.


    I suppose ??
     
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    Posted: Aug. 1, 2014 - 10:53 PM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by collegeball:

    I'm liking Houston to smash the redskins imo.. I'd risk  a lot less I'd I were you and save more for dinner buddy just in case


    Fitzpatrick and a grumpy Andre Johnson gonna beat RGIII, Garçon, Jackson, and Morris?
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    Quote Originally Posted by collegeball:

    I'm liking Houston to smash the redskins imo.. I'd risk  a lot less I'd I were you and save more for dinner buddy just in case


    Fitzpatrick and a grumpy Andre Johnson gonna beat RGIII, Garçon, Jackson, and Morris?
     
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    Posted: Aug. 1, 2014 - 11:27 PM ET #12

    Quote Originally Posted by matty441204:



    Why do you say Chicago is a bad favorite?
    And how is Indy gonna beat Den at home? They barely beat denver at Indy last year. The colts haven't really done anything to get better, and the lost the one reason they gave denver a hard time (Mathis). And the broncos upgraded big time on D, and now they are at home. Seems like a given to me.

    As long as John Fox is the coach expect the unexpected Indy played well against the better teams last year they beat Seattle San Fran and , Denver's no gimme here  .

    Chicago with that  wacko  Coach Trestman  who sends  Robbie Gold in to kick a 46 yd field on 2nd down  vs Minnesota in OT and loses
     The Bears  had one  the worst defense i ever saw in my life last year , Cutler could throw 3 picks in the first half ,seen that before should i go on , they were 8-8 last year , you can't count on this team to win any  game .


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    Quote Originally Posted by matty441204:



    Why do you say Chicago is a bad favorite?
    And how is Indy gonna beat Den at home? They barely beat denver at Indy last year. The colts haven't really done anything to get better, and the lost the one reason they gave denver a hard time (Mathis). And the broncos upgraded big time on D, and now they are at home. Seems like a given to me.

    As long as John Fox is the coach expect the unexpected Indy played well against the better teams last year they beat Seattle San Fran and , Denver's no gimme here  .

    Chicago with that  wacko  Coach Trestman  who sends  Robbie Gold in to kick a 46 yd field on 2nd down  vs Minnesota in OT and loses
     The Bears  had one  the worst defense i ever saw in my life last year , Cutler could throw 3 picks in the first half ,seen that before should i go on , they were 8-8 last year , you can't count on this team to win any  game .


     
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2014 - 11:10 AM ET #13

    You need to work on your math skills a little bit....

    But other than that - sounds like you have this all figured out!  Why not add a zero to those wagers and go for a million?  Or a zillion?

    With little risk!

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    You need to work on your math skills a little bit....

    But other than that - sounds like you have this all figured out!  Why not add a zero to those wagers and go for a million?  Or a zillion?

    With little risk!

     
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2014 - 11:15 AM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    You need to work on your math skills a little bit....
    But other than that - sounds like you have this all figured out!  Why not add a zero to those wagers and go for a million?  Or a zillion?
    With little risk!


    What's wrong with my math?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    You need to work on your math skills a little bit....
    But other than that - sounds like you have this all figured out!  Why not add a zero to those wagers and go for a million?  Or a zillion?
    With little risk!


    What's wrong with my math?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by matty441204:



    What's wrong with my math?

    Your post title says "Risk 2250...." - you are risking 7,150.

    But whats a few thousand amongst friends?

    I like to think of it this way....

    Lets just talk about your first parlay....  You have roughly a 70% chance of losing.  Yes, that's right - according to the current line - you have only a 30% chance of winning that wager.  I don't even want to talk about the roughly 94% chance of losing the second one yet....

    So you call "no risk" a wager that has a 70% chance of losing?  OK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matty441204:



    What's wrong with my math?

    Your post title says "Risk 2250...." - you are risking 7,150.

    But whats a few thousand amongst friends?

    I like to think of it this way....

    Lets just talk about your first parlay....  You have roughly a 70% chance of losing.  Yes, that's right - according to the current line - you have only a 30% chance of winning that wager.  I don't even want to talk about the roughly 94% chance of losing the second one yet....

    So you call "no risk" a wager that has a 70% chance of losing?  OK.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 2, 2014 - 11:49 AM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Your post title says "Risk 2250...." - you are risking 7,150.

    But whats a few thousand amongst friends?

    I like to think of it this way....

    Lets just talk about your first parlay....  You have roughly a 70% chance of losing.  Yes, that's right - according to the current line - you have only a 30% chance of winning that wager.  I don't even want to talk about the roughly 94% chance of losing the second one yet....

    So you call "no risk" a wager that has a 70% chance of losing?  OK.


    So the TITLE of my post has already been addressed....that's not math (i.e, addition, subtraction, etc....you took those classes, right?).  That was an incorrect TITLE.  An error in writing, not calculation.  

    Speaking of errors of writing....maybe YOU need to work on your ENGLISH?  Since you apparently have an inability to make an accurate quote.  Where exactly did I say "no risk?"

    Anyways, I was hoping people might actually respond to the likelihood of each ML wager.  Only one person gave actual football related insight on why they felt the way they did about certain games.  So thanks Peter. 

    Everyone else, thanks for nothin' i guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Your post title says "Risk 2250...." - you are risking 7,150.

    But whats a few thousand amongst friends?

    I like to think of it this way....

    Lets just talk about your first parlay....  You have roughly a 70% chance of losing.  Yes, that's right - according to the current line - you have only a 30% chance of winning that wager.  I don't even want to talk about the roughly 94% chance of losing the second one yet....

    So you call "no risk" a wager that has a 70% chance of losing?  OK.


    So the TITLE of my post has already been addressed....that's not math (i.e, addition, subtraction, etc....you took those classes, right?).  That was an incorrect TITLE.  An error in writing, not calculation.  

    Speaking of errors of writing....maybe YOU need to work on your ENGLISH?  Since you apparently have an inability to make an accurate quote.  Where exactly did I say "no risk?"

    Anyways, I was hoping people might actually respond to the likelihood of each ML wager.  Only one person gave actual football related insight on why they felt the way they did about certain games.  So thanks Peter. 

    Everyone else, thanks for nothin' i guess.
     
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    Greedy won't get u far my friend. Just a thought, but GL
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    Give up now.  Even if by some crazy chance you win.  You'll bust out soon enough.   And you obviously don't understand the NFL.  Teams change year in and year out.  Nothing is a sure thing especially week 1
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    Give up now.  Even if by some crazy chance you win.  You'll bust out soon enough.   And you obviously don't understand the NFL.  Teams change year in and year out.  Nothing is a sure thing especially week 1
     
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    Its not greedy in my mind.  Obviously its trying to make money....which I think is what everyone here enjoys doing on sports.  I was just trying to think of a relatively "safe" way to generate some profit to put down on a huge parlay.  Seems to me like I get the chance to win a HUGE amount of cash, and i'm not just simply risking $5000k on a crazy parlay with a big chance of coming out down $5k for that day.  I think the most likely thing is that I come out roughly even for the day.  

    The other thing I can do to generate the profit for a "free 8-teamer" is a 6 point teaser on CHI/DEN/PHI/NE, making CHI and DEN pretty much ML bets, PHI would have to cover by 5, which seems incredibly likely and NE would get 2 pts or so on MIA.  I could just put $2k down on that, and then $6k on the 8 teamer for an even bigger payoff.  And the more I think about it, that seems like the way to go instead of the straight 4 team ML parlay with $2250.
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    Its not greedy in my mind.  Obviously its trying to make money....which I think is what everyone here enjoys doing on sports.  I was just trying to think of a relatively "safe" way to generate some profit to put down on a huge parlay.  Seems to me like I get the chance to win a HUGE amount of cash, and i'm not just simply risking $5000k on a crazy parlay with a big chance of coming out down $5k for that day.  I think the most likely thing is that I come out roughly even for the day.  

    The other thing I can do to generate the profit for a "free 8-teamer" is a 6 point teaser on CHI/DEN/PHI/NE, making CHI and DEN pretty much ML bets, PHI would have to cover by 5, which seems incredibly likely and NE would get 2 pts or so on MIA.  I could just put $2k down on that, and then $6k on the 8 teamer for an even bigger payoff.  And the more I think about it, that seems like the way to go instead of the straight 4 team ML parlay with $2250.
     
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    Vanzack is right. Implying this wager has little risk is completely false. Very small chance this hits. 
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    Vanzack is right. Implying this wager has little risk is completely false. Very small chance this hits. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrquija27:

    Give up now.  Even if by some crazy chance you win.  You'll bust out soon enough.   And you obviously don't understand the NFL.  Teams change year in and year out.  Nothing is a sure thing especially week 1

    Ummmm, ok.  I'm not describing a long term betting strategy champ.  I'm just gonna be in vegas for opening weekend and wanted to have the shot to win some serious cash.  I don't think anyone would describe my 4-team parlay of heavy favorites as having some "crazy shot" at winning.  It's basically paying me 2:1 if I win, which is a very reasonable proposition.  

    I'm very aware that the odds are against an 8-team parlay, even if its a ML parlay, but the point was to make some "easy money" with the heavy favorites that seems like very solid picks to me, and then i'd be playing with house money for the huge payoff.

    You're acting like I came in and said, "HEY EVERYONE, I'm putting $10K on a 15 team parlay and I'm gonna win a MILLION BUCKS!  WOOHOO!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrquija27:

    Give up now.  Even if by some crazy chance you win.  You'll bust out soon enough.   And you obviously don't understand the NFL.  Teams change year in and year out.  Nothing is a sure thing especially week 1

    Ummmm, ok.  I'm not describing a long term betting strategy champ.  I'm just gonna be in vegas for opening weekend and wanted to have the shot to win some serious cash.  I don't think anyone would describe my 4-team parlay of heavy favorites as having some "crazy shot" at winning.  It's basically paying me 2:1 if I win, which is a very reasonable proposition.  

    I'm very aware that the odds are against an 8-team parlay, even if its a ML parlay, but the point was to make some "easy money" with the heavy favorites that seems like very solid picks to me, and then i'd be playing with house money for the huge payoff.

    You're acting like I came in and said, "HEY EVERYONE, I'm putting $10K on a 15 team parlay and I'm gonna win a MILLION BUCKS!  WOOHOO!"
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by matty441204:

    .  I think the most likely thing is that I come out roughly even for the day.  

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    Math thinks the most likely thing (70%) is that you lose 7,150.

    Math also thinks that coming out roughly even for the day is about 29%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matty441204:

    .  I think the most likely thing is that I come out roughly even for the day.  

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    Math thinks the most likely thing (70%) is that you lose 7,150.

    Math also thinks that coming out roughly even for the day is about 29%.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by JerryWrasse:

    Vanzack is right. Implying this wager has little risk is completely false. Very small chance this hits. 

    I'm implying that the 4-teamer of PHI/DEN/CHI/NE seems very low risk to me.  THUS, if that hits, it essentially eliminates the risk of the 8-team play cause it pays for it.  

    I'M FULLY AWARE THAT THERE IS A SMALL CHANCE OF WINNING $100K HERE.

    Is anyone saying that my 4-team ML parlay (or if I do a 6 pt teaser) is a crazy bet?  Or do you think that's a reasonable play?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JerryWrasse:

    Vanzack is right. Implying this wager has little risk is completely false. Very small chance this hits. 

    I'm implying that the 4-teamer of PHI/DEN/CHI/NE seems very low risk to me.  THUS, if that hits, it essentially eliminates the risk of the 8-team play cause it pays for it.  

    I'M FULLY AWARE THAT THERE IS A SMALL CHANCE OF WINNING $100K HERE.

    Is anyone saying that my 4-team ML parlay (or if I do a 6 pt teaser) is a crazy bet?  Or do you think that's a reasonable play?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Math thinks the most likely thing (70%) is that you lose 7,150.

    Math also thinks that coming out roughly even for the day is about 29%.


    No, the Vegas bookies say about 70% chance of losing.  And making that same 4-team parlay every week for a hundred weeks might result in 70% losing.  This one time bet, not a system for long-term success, in my opinion is more likely to win than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:

    Math thinks the most likely thing (70%) is that you lose 7,150.

    Math also thinks that coming out roughly even for the day is about 29%.


    No, the Vegas bookies say about 70% chance of losing.  And making that same 4-team parlay every week for a hundred weeks might result in 70% losing.  This one time bet, not a system for long-term success, in my opinion is more likely to win than that.

     
     
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    Philly -- I agree, they should very much win this game.  I assume you're betting the ML and not the spread here.  

    Denver -- They can and likely will win this game, although to discount Indy altogether is ridiculous.  You said yourself that they did beat Denver last year, albeit not by much.  They amped up their defence quite a bit to be sure, but it's still not on the same level in the secondary as Seattle (who Indy DID beat at home last year by the way, and were the only team to do so).  I wouldn't call this a lock, Indy is always capable of surprising.

    Chicago -- I agree whole-heartedly that they should roll over the Bills.

    Patriots -- Again, as aforementioned by someone else, this game could easily go in favour of Miami if their defence plays the way it can.  I DO think that people are overestimating Miami and that the Pats will win though.

    SO, so far your play looks okay.  Certainly not "little risk", but okay.  You can probably win this parlay.

    St. Louis -- This game is a bit of a toss-up in my eyes...  Remember the Vikings that started the season 4-0?  Do you remember the Rams that lost to the Titans?  Minnesota's additions of Munnerlyn and Joseph will really add to their defence.  Should St. Louis win? Probably.

    KC -- This game scares the absolute crap out of me.  There's two things that we know for certain.  KC was worse than their record last year.  NO ONE can tell you how well or poorly Tennessee will play this year.  They are the unpredictable team in the NFL this year.  I would definitely not be playing this game.  I'd sub it out for the Steelers.

    WAS -- And I thought I was the only one who was super high on the Redskins this year.  Resurgent RGIII with added deep threats and minimal designed QB runs, this team will do very well in my opinion.  It will be interesting though to see Clowney and Watt coming at RGIII...  Houston has the ability to win any game on their schedule, but I HOPE you are right on this one as I have a lot of stock in Washington this year.

    Detroit -- This team could be Superbowl bound, but the Giants are all over the map and have incredible performances and incredibly terrible performances, it all depends who shows up.  Take the over instead.

    matty, the reason people aren't breaking down these games is because no real football bettor gives a crap about 8-teamer longshot parlays.  They're statistical anomalies to hit and there's a reason you don't often see threads on covers stating that people actually won $100k on a parlay.  There's no such thing as very little risk with parlays, especially this size.  Even an 8-team 8-point teaser isn't generally considered "very little risk".

    Final note, if you're wanting people to breakdown the games, maybe consider doing that yourself in a little more detail.  Especially the second 4.  




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    Philly -- I agree, they should very much win this game.  I assume you're betting the ML and not the spread here.  

    Denver -- They can and likely will win this game, although to discount Indy altogether is ridiculous.  You said yourself that they did beat Denver last year, albeit not by much.  They amped up their defence quite a bit to be sure, but it's still not on the same level in the secondary as Seattle (who Indy DID beat at home last year by the way, and were the only team to do so).  I wouldn't call this a lock, Indy is always capable of surprising.

    Chicago -- I agree whole-heartedly that they should roll over the Bills.

    Patriots -- Again, as aforementioned by someone else, this game could easily go in favour of Miami if their defence plays the way it can.  I DO think that people are overestimating Miami and that the Pats will win though.

    SO, so far your play looks okay.  Certainly not "little risk", but okay.  You can probably win this parlay.

    St. Louis -- This game is a bit of a toss-up in my eyes...  Remember the Vikings that started the season 4-0?  Do you remember the Rams that lost to the Titans?  Minnesota's additions of Munnerlyn and Joseph will really add to their defence.  Should St. Louis win? Probably.

    KC -- This game scares the absolute crap out of me.  There's two things that we know for certain.  KC was worse than their record last year.  NO ONE can tell you how well or poorly Tennessee will play this year.  They are the unpredictable team in the NFL this year.  I would definitely not be playing this game.  I'd sub it out for the Steelers.

    WAS -- And I thought I was the only one who was super high on the Redskins this year.  Resurgent RGIII with added deep threats and minimal designed QB runs, this team will do very well in my opinion.  It will be interesting though to see Clowney and Watt coming at RGIII...  Houston has the ability to win any game on their schedule, but I HOPE you are right on this one as I have a lot of stock in Washington this year.

    Detroit -- This team could be Superbowl bound, but the Giants are all over the map and have incredible performances and incredibly terrible performances, it all depends who shows up.  Take the over instead.

    matty, the reason people aren't breaking down these games is because no real football bettor gives a crap about 8-teamer longshot parlays.  They're statistical anomalies to hit and there's a reason you don't often see threads on covers stating that people actually won $100k on a parlay.  There's no such thing as very little risk with parlays, especially this size.  Even an 8-team 8-point teaser isn't generally considered "very little risk".

    Final note, if you're wanting people to breakdown the games, maybe consider doing that yourself in a little more detail.  Especially the second 4.  




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