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    Clambert0253
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    Posted: Jul. 28, 2009 - 12:12 AM ET #51

    Good stuff
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    Posted: Jul. 28, 2009 - 7:54 AM ET #52

    I hope to God this puts a rest to all the "trap line" nonsense you read on here.
     
    I won't hold my breathe though...
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    I hope to God this puts a rest to all the "trap line" nonsense you read on here.
     
    I won't hold my breathe though...
     
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    Posted: Aug. 5, 2009 - 6:45 PM ET #54

    holy mother of all that is holy

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    can we PLEASE sticky this thing!!!
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    holy mother of all that is holy

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    can we PLEASE sticky this thing!!!
     
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    Good Luck to all this 2009-2010 NFL season !
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    Posted: Aug. 8, 2009 - 5:40 PM ET #56

    So this thread is really awesome, but after reading all of it.....who do you have tomorrow night?
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    So this thread is really awesome, but after reading all of it.....who do you have tomorrow night?
     
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    Posted: Aug. 13, 2009 - 2:11 AM ET #57

    Season Win
    Line
    # of Cases
    Overs
    Unders
    Over %
    4.5
    6
    5
    1
    83%
    5
    6
    2
    4
    33%
    5.5
    24
    15
    9
    62%
    6
    12
    9
    3
    75%
    6.5
    43
    22
    21
    51%
    7
    22
    11
    11
    50%
    7.5
    53
    32
    21
    60%
    8
    36
    15
    21
    41%
    8.5
    58
    30
    28
    51%
    9
    30
    18
    12
    60%
    9.5
    39
    13
    26
    33%
    10
    13
    4
    9
    30%
    10.5
    28
    7
    21
    25%
    11
    6
    4
    2
    66%
    11.5
    11
    6
    5
    54%
    12
    1
    1
    0
    100%
    12.5
    1
    0
    1
    0%
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    Season Win
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    # of Cases
    Overs
    Unders
    Over %
    4.5
    6
    5
    1
    83%
    5
    6
    2
    4
    33%
    5.5
    24
    15
    9
    62%
    6
    12
    9
    3
    75%
    6.5
    43
    22
    21
    51%
    7
    22
    11
    11
    50%
    7.5
    53
    32
    21
    60%
    8
    36
    15
    21
    41%
    8.5
    58
    30
    28
    51%
    9
    30
    18
    12
    60%
    9.5
    39
    13
    26
    33%
    10
    13
    4
    9
    30%
    10.5
    28
    7
    21
    25%
    11
    6
    4
    2
    66%
    11.5
    11
    6
    5
    54%
    12
    1
    1
    0
    100%
    12.5
    1
    0
    1
    0%
     
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    Posted: Aug. 13, 2009 - 2:12 AM ET #58

    Season Win Line
    minus
    Prior Year Wins
    # of Cases
    Overs
    Unders
    Over %
    -3 or less
    17
    3
    14
    17%
    -2.5
    23
    9
    14
    39%
    -2
    9
    3
    6
    33%
    -1.5
    37
    16
    21
    43%
    -1
    37
    21
    16
    56%
    -0.5
    51
    21
    30
    41%
    0
    21
    9
    12
    42%
    +0.5
    54
    28
    26
    51%
    +1
    26
    17
    9
    65%
    +1.5
    43
    24
    19
    55%
    +2
    11
    5
    6
    45%
    +2.5
    30
    19
    11
    63%
    +3 or more
    30
    19
    11
    63%
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    Season Win Line
    minus
    Prior Year Wins
    # of Cases
    Overs
    Unders
    Over %
    -3 or less
    17
    3
    14
    17%
    -2.5
    23
    9
    14
    39%
    -2
    9
    3
    6
    33%
    -1.5
    37
    16
    21
    43%
    -1
    37
    21
    16
    56%
    -0.5
    51
    21
    30
    41%
    0
    21
    9
    12
    42%
    +0.5
    54
    28
    26
    51%
    +1
    26
    17
    9
    65%
    +1.5
    43
    24
    19
    55%
    +2
    11
    5
    6
    45%
    +2.5
    30
    19
    11
    63%
    +3 or more
    30
    19
    11
    63%
     
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    Posted: Aug. 13, 2009 - 2:12 AM ET #59

    (Data from 1996 to 2008)
    Change
    in wins
    Overs
    Unders
    Over %
    -7 or less
    6
    7
    46%
    -6
    9
    6
    60%
    -5
    11
    3
    79%
    -4
    18
    9
    67%
    -3
    20
    11
    65%
    -2
    17
    16
    52%
    -1
    19
    25
    43%
    0
    18
    18
    50%
    +1
    19
    20
    49%
    +2
    18
    16
    53%
    +3
    9
    22
    29%
    +4
    14
    18
    44%
    +5
    8
    10
    44%
    +6
    5
    5
    50%
    +7 or more
    3
    7
    30%
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    (Data from 1996 to 2008)
    Change
    in wins
    Overs
    Unders
    Over %
    -7 or less
    6
    7
    46%
    -6
    9
    6
    60%
    -5
    11
    3
    79%
    -4
    18
    9
    67%
    -3
    20
    11
    65%
    -2
    17
    16
    52%
    -1
    19
    25
    43%
    0
    18
    18
    50%
    +1
    19
    20
    49%
    +2
    18
    16
    53%
    +3
    9
    22
    29%
    +4
    14
    18
    44%
    +5
    8
    10
    44%
    +6
    5
    5
    50%
    +7 or more
    3
    7
    30%
     
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    Posted: Aug. 13, 2009 - 2:27 AM ET #60

    Hilton for fun contest 2009 results... 
     
     Thank You fightintigraz for organizing the new contest ...for 2009-2010
    If covers prefers that we do not have such a contest ...they will let us know !
    the thread is now to be found under office pools ...
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     Thank You fightintigraz for organizing the new contest ...for 2009-2010
    If covers prefers that we do not have such a contest ...they will let us know !
    the thread is now to be found under office pools ...
    RF
     
     
     
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    Bumping this thread ...as there may be some information in here that some of you might find useful ...
    Feel free to add pertinent info
    Good Luck to all this NFL season
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    Bumping this thread ...as there may be some information in here that some of you might find useful ...
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    Good Luck to all this NFL season
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    Many thanks. Very good info.
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    Posted: Sep. 8, 2009 - 2:26 PM ET #64

    Nice!!
     
    G.L.
     
    VIKS!
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    G.L.
     
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    hi roberto just finished reading the thread
    just wondering wat the last 3 charts mean?
     
    season win line chart
    season win line minus prior wins chart
    change in wins chart
     
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    hi roberto just finished reading the thread
    just wondering wat the last 3 charts mean?
     
    season win line chart
    season win line minus prior wins chart
    change in wins chart
     
    thanks
     
     
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    great stuff
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    Quote Originally Posted by yummyness:

    hi roberto just finished reading the thread
    just wondering wat the last 3 charts mean?
     
    season win line chart
    season win line minus prior wins chart
    change in wins chart
     
    thanks
     

     

    These charts have to do with projected season wins for the NFL teams, their respective lines , and the results ( that is times these teams have managed to beat the estimates ( Over ) or underperformed ( Under )  

    ( Team Seasons where the season wins equal the line (push bets) are ignored ) from 1996-2008

    The second chart depictcs the difference in the line set by the oddsmakers for season win totals in relation to prior season wins , then the results ...

    " how a team's prior year record compares to the line set for them this season (for example if a team was 6-10 last year but has a season win line of 8 1/2 this year, then they would count as a +2 1/2 on the "Net vs Line"): "

    Finally , the third chart >>>

    " The optimal conditions for a "bounce" are when a team has shown a dramatic change in performance and the theory goes (for many reasons) that the next performance will revert closer to the norm. Well, for NFL squads that jumped up by 3 or more games in the prior year, they have gone 62-39 as UNDER plays in the following season, whereas NFL teams that were 3 or more games worse in the last season are 64-36 as OVER plays. "

    "teams with dramatic changes from one season to the next in total wins do tend to revert in the subsequent year, at least in so far as versus the season win total expectancy placed on them by the linemakers. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by yummyness:

    hi roberto just finished reading the thread
    just wondering wat the last 3 charts mean?
     
    season win line chart
    season win line minus prior wins chart
    change in wins chart
     
    thanks
     

     

    These charts have to do with projected season wins for the NFL teams, their respective lines , and the results ( that is times these teams have managed to beat the estimates ( Over ) or underperformed ( Under )  

    ( Team Seasons where the season wins equal the line (push bets) are ignored ) from 1996-2008

    The second chart depictcs the difference in the line set by the oddsmakers for season win totals in relation to prior season wins , then the results ...

    " how a team's prior year record compares to the line set for them this season (for example if a team was 6-10 last year but has a season win line of 8 1/2 this year, then they would count as a +2 1/2 on the "Net vs Line"): "

    Finally , the third chart >>>

    " The optimal conditions for a "bounce" are when a team has shown a dramatic change in performance and the theory goes (for many reasons) that the next performance will revert closer to the norm. Well, for NFL squads that jumped up by 3 or more games in the prior year, they have gone 62-39 as UNDER plays in the following season, whereas NFL teams that were 3 or more games worse in the last season are 64-36 as OVER plays. "

    "teams with dramatic changes from one season to the next in total wins do tend to revert in the subsequent year, at least in so far as versus the season win total expectancy placed on them by the linemakers. "

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    Posted: Sep. 9, 2009 - 5:55 AM ET #70

    I'm loving the favorite after bye week trend, couldnt sleep tonight so did some more digging that solidifies your trend! 
     
    05-06 was very similar to 08-09...check it out
     

    16 Favorites ( 14-2 SU & 12-4 ATS )

    16 Underdogs ( 2-14 SU & 8-7-1 ATS )

     

    HD : 0-4 SU & 2-2 ATS

    HF : 10-0 SU & 8-2 ATS

    RD : 2-10 SU & 6-5-1 ATS

    RF : 4-2 SU & 4-2 ATS

     

    Favorites won 12 games SU & ATS ( 75.00 %  )

    Favorites won 2 games SU & lost ATS ( 12.5 % )

    Favorites Lost 2 games SU & ATS ( 12.5 %  )

     

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    I'm loving the favorite after bye week trend, couldnt sleep tonight so did some more digging that solidifies your trend! 
     
    05-06 was very similar to 08-09...check it out
     

    16 Favorites ( 14-2 SU & 12-4 ATS )

    16 Underdogs ( 2-14 SU & 8-7-1 ATS )

     

    HD : 0-4 SU & 2-2 ATS

    HF : 10-0 SU & 8-2 ATS

    RD : 2-10 SU & 6-5-1 ATS

    RF : 4-2 SU & 4-2 ATS

     

    Favorites won 12 games SU & ATS ( 75.00 %  )

    Favorites won 2 games SU & lost ATS ( 12.5 % )

    Favorites Lost 2 games SU & ATS ( 12.5 %  )

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 9, 2009 - 8:47 AM ET #71

    Awesome info bro! One question, have you used this info before to influence your plays or is this the first time you are trying this?
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    Awesome info bro! One question, have you used this info before to influence your plays or is this the first time you are trying this?
     
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    Posted: Sep. 9, 2009 - 10:07 AM ET #73

    awesome job great info
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    awesome job great info
     
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    Posted: Sep. 9, 2009 - 11:37 AM ET #74

    Great job Mr. Fiory
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    Great job Mr. Fiory
     
     
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    Posted: Sep. 9, 2009 - 1:07 PM ET #75

    thanks for sharing NoStress...
    XJET1 ...
    Yes they have influenced my plays ...
    but some of what I do is in the tracking category
    and some others I implement ...
     
    On another note, not sure if a Hilton FOR FUN contest will be moderated through the forum this year ...
    Some of you that participated for a few years know all about it ...
    I did , as an alternative set up a pool with the 5 ATS side picks...
    Because, the spreads will be variable ...as they get adjusted and not fixed ...it won't be the same format as in the real hilton ...but it is up and running nevertheless through the office pools setup...
    HILTON FOR FUN NFL CONTEST
    Good Luck
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    thanks for sharing NoStress...
    XJET1 ...
    Yes they have influenced my plays ...
    but some of what I do is in the tracking category
    and some others I implement ...
     
    On another note, not sure if a Hilton FOR FUN contest will be moderated through the forum this year ...
    Some of you that participated for a few years know all about it ...
    I did , as an alternative set up a pool with the 5 ATS side picks...
    Because, the spreads will be variable ...as they get adjusted and not fixed ...it won't be the same format as in the real hilton ...but it is up and running nevertheless through the office pools setup...
    HILTON FOR FUN NFL CONTEST
    Good Luck
    RF
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