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    TheBuddah
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2012 - 7:36 PM ET #26

    I use stats for every bit of my sports betting.  I'm very familiar with regression and trying to figure out the drivers, rsquared, etc and to predict who covers and who doesn't cover - the problem I find using regression or any type of statistical package - we don't know exactly what variables and the weight of each of those variables when it comes to what the line makers use to come up with the line.  That being said - I bow my head and say they are extremely smart folks who have the time money, data etc  to come up with a number that they feel is appropriate.  Thus my evaluation doesn't argue about the line but rather uses it when it comes to taking the underdog or taking the favorite.  For example, I will use the ranks for 6 categories - Off. Rushing, off. passing, def. rushing, def. passing, sagarin rank and sagarin sked. strength and then mimic history - let's look at last Thursdays game:

    3 Indy  19  6   25  11  25  27        (52)

      Jax    28  32  27  25   31  11      (42)

    The 3 represents the opening line (exactly why 3 - I can't answer and nobody but the Odd maker themselves can with exact certainty).  What I have found by trial and error and accumulating data in a spreadsheet since 2006 - that there are patterns you can use to predict future games.  In this particular game - 5 categories Indy was better - thus I have what I call a 5/1 situation (in this particular case weighting doesn't matter).  In addition to the numbers I have a composite of each teams sagarin - 52 for Indy and 42 for Jax (lower the better).  What I have tracked in my spreadsheet - are previous games - when I go to my spreadsheet - what I see - in these scenarios - the away team covers and usually crushes - thus I took Indy.  I even shared with the covers community in the nfl forum.  All i'm trying to get across - you gotta look at the drivers but you also need to consider the vegas line - just doing regression or statistical analysis without considering the line will most likely lead to failure. 

          Ed-colins - if there is a program that would extract data from several websites and put them into a spreadsheet with a simple click - i'm willing to pay you - would save me a lot of time.

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    I use stats for every bit of my sports betting.  I'm very familiar with regression and trying to figure out the drivers, rsquared, etc and to predict who covers and who doesn't cover - the problem I find using regression or any type of statistical package - we don't know exactly what variables and the weight of each of those variables when it comes to what the line makers use to come up with the line.  That being said - I bow my head and say they are extremely smart folks who have the time money, data etc  to come up with a number that they feel is appropriate.  Thus my evaluation doesn't argue about the line but rather uses it when it comes to taking the underdog or taking the favorite.  For example, I will use the ranks for 6 categories - Off. Rushing, off. passing, def. rushing, def. passing, sagarin rank and sagarin sked. strength and then mimic history - let's look at last Thursdays game:

    3 Indy  19  6   25  11  25  27        (52)

      Jax    28  32  27  25   31  11      (42)

    The 3 represents the opening line (exactly why 3 - I can't answer and nobody but the Odd maker themselves can with exact certainty).  What I have found by trial and error and accumulating data in a spreadsheet since 2006 - that there are patterns you can use to predict future games.  In this particular game - 5 categories Indy was better - thus I have what I call a 5/1 situation (in this particular case weighting doesn't matter).  In addition to the numbers I have a composite of each teams sagarin - 52 for Indy and 42 for Jax (lower the better).  What I have tracked in my spreadsheet - are previous games - when I go to my spreadsheet - what I see - in these scenarios - the away team covers and usually crushes - thus I took Indy.  I even shared with the covers community in the nfl forum.  All i'm trying to get across - you gotta look at the drivers but you also need to consider the vegas line - just doing regression or statistical analysis without considering the line will most likely lead to failure. 

          Ed-colins - if there is a program that would extract data from several websites and put them into a spreadsheet with a simple click - i'm willing to pay you - would save me a lot of time.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2012 - 8:04 PM ET #27

    My system is based on genetic algorithms.  If you're interested in learning more check out this video I made explaining how it's used on thoroughbreds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ss-5mG0FwE8

    The database I use is obviously different for NFL but the way the system functions is very similar.. 

    Good luck!

    RP


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    My system is based on genetic algorithms.  If you're interested in learning more check out this video I made explaining how it's used on thoroughbreds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ss-5mG0FwE8

    The database I use is obviously different for NFL but the way the system functions is very similar.. 

    Good luck!

    RP


     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2012 - 10:14 PM ET #28

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBuddah:

    Ed-collins - if there is a program that would extract data from several websites and put them into a spreadsheet with a simple click - i'm willing to pay you - would save me a lot of time.



    I might be interested.  I suppose it depends upon how much work it will be for me, my upcoming schedule, and the amount of compensation.  What websites/data are you interested in?  Some websites would be a LOT of work to write a program to parse the data. 

    Currently, my own program is only downloading data from one site, so basically I'd have to customize this for you, after you let me know the format of how you'd like to see the data presented.

    You can e-mail me, if you wish:  edwardcollins, the AT sign and then yahoo DOT com.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBuddah:

    Ed-collins - if there is a program that would extract data from several websites and put them into a spreadsheet with a simple click - i'm willing to pay you - would save me a lot of time.



    I might be interested.  I suppose it depends upon how much work it will be for me, my upcoming schedule, and the amount of compensation.  What websites/data are you interested in?  Some websites would be a LOT of work to write a program to parse the data. 

    Currently, my own program is only downloading data from one site, so basically I'd have to customize this for you, after you let me know the format of how you'd like to see the data presented.

    You can e-mail me, if you wish:  edwardcollins, the AT sign and then yahoo DOT com.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 10, 2012 - 10:58 PM ET #29

    Ed - just sent you an email - thanks.
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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2012 - 12:08 PM ET #30

    Received. Thanks.  Sent back two replies, the second one just a moment ago, with an attachment.
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    Received. Thanks.  Sent back two replies, the second one just a moment ago, with an attachment.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2012 - 1:07 PM ET #31

    I use excel, genetic algorithms, neural networks, and monte carlo simulations for my selections...

    https://rp-excel.com/

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    I use excel, genetic algorithms, neural networks, and monte carlo simulations for my selections...

    https://rp-excel.com/

     
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    Posted: Nov. 11, 2012 - 2:09 PM ET #32

    Ed - just sent you another email - take a look before you move out on the nfl.

    rp - sounds interesting - would like to learn more about monte carlo simulations.

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    Ed - just sent you another email - take a look before you move out on the nfl.

    rp - sounds interesting - would like to learn more about monte carlo simulations.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 13, 2012 - 9:43 PM ET #34

    Sorry guys.. Didn't post the picks this weekend due to me being in Tahoe. I had DEN, NYG, SEA, MIN ML.

    had 3 two-way parlays. Grouped as follows:

    NYG & DEN
    DEN & SEA
    SEA & MIN ML +155


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    Sorry guys.. Didn't post the picks this weekend due to me being in Tahoe. I had DEN, NYG, SEA, MIN ML.

    had 3 two-way parlays. Grouped as follows:

    NYG & DEN
    DEN & SEA
    SEA & MIN ML +155


     
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    Posted: Nov. 14, 2012 - 2:44 AM ET #35

    I'm not a math genius but I think Dr. Bob Sports came up and still uses his statical database to cap games. 
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    I'm not a math genius but I think Dr. Bob Sports came up and still uses his statical database to cap games. 
     
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    Posted: Nov. 14, 2012 - 2:45 AM ET #36

    If you guys come up with a golden apple then please share.
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    Posted: Nov. 20, 2012 - 2:09 AM ET #37

    Quote Originally Posted by rp-excel_com:

    I use excel, genetic algorithms, neural networks, and monte carlo simulations for my selections...

    https://rp-excel.com/



    Sent you a friends request. Wondering how to interpret your statistics to lines. Seems like you choose according to the range vs. the fluctuation of the lines.
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    I use excel, genetic algorithms, neural networks, and monte carlo simulations for my selections...

    https://rp-excel.com/



    Sent you a friends request. Wondering how to interpret your statistics to lines. Seems like you choose according to the range vs. the fluctuation of the lines.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 20, 2012 - 3:23 PM ET #38

    NFL_Sharp week 11 record 7-0-1

    THE REAL DEAL HOLIFEILD!!!
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    THE REAL DEAL HOLIFEILD!!!
     
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    Posted: Nov. 20, 2012 - 3:44 PM ET #39

    Statsational went 10-1 this last weekend, week 11. Last year, when he was absolutely killing it, He was banned from Covers. He's on Twiiter and has his own web page now.
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    Statsational went 10-1 this last weekend, week 11. Last year, when he was absolutely killing it, He was banned from Covers. He's on Twiiter and has his own web page now.
     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 20, 2012 - 5:13 PM ET #40

    NFL_Sharp!!! 

    he doesn't necessarily take on more picks than he has to... which is great
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    he doesn't necessarily take on more picks than he has to... which is great
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