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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2012 - 2:24 AM ET #1

    Are there any existing amongst the covers community? Only one that I know of is si1ly. By statisticians, I mean people who use statistics to predict outcomes.
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    Are there any existing amongst the covers community? Only one that I know of is si1ly. By statisticians, I mean people who use statistics to predict outcomes.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2012 - 2:35 AM ET #2

    A few weeks ago I wrote an Excel spreadsheet, that, at the click of a button, downloads dozens of NFL stats.  I click the button each week, to keep the stats current.  The program then proceeds to predict the NFL games, using a method I devised.

    Basically, it does in a millisecond what it would take me a half a day to do on my own.

    I'm sure I'm not the only person here who has such a program.
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    A few weeks ago I wrote an Excel spreadsheet, that, at the click of a button, downloads dozens of NFL stats.  I click the button each week, to keep the stats current.  The program then proceeds to predict the NFL games, using a method I devised.

    Basically, it does in a millisecond what it would take me a half a day to do on my own.

    I'm sure I'm not the only person here who has such a program.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2012 - 3:22 AM ET #3

    Ed Collins, I hand into stats daily and when I win I noticed I'm too lazy to input them data. Care to share the website where  you download them data on Excel?
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    Ed Collins, I hand into stats daily and when I win I noticed I'm too lazy to input them data. Care to share the website where  you download them data on Excel?
     
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2012 - 4:11 AM ET #4

    No problem:

    https://www.repole.com/sun4cast/stats/nfl2012stats.csv
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    No problem:

    https://www.repole.com/sun4cast/stats/nfl2012stats.csv
     
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2012 - 4:12 AM ET #5

    Note:  The main page is here. 

    https://www.repole.com/sun4cast/data.html

    The first link I posted is the site I get the data from.

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    Note:  The main page is here. 

    https://www.repole.com/sun4cast/data.html

    The first link I posted is the site I get the data from.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2012 - 6:18 AM ET #6

    I developed a statistics based program that all of my plays are derived from. The numbers and projections are based on significant correlations and other statistical analysis and have been proven to be the most predictive of future play and efficiency - to points - to wins. I make a play when the projections for a certain game meet a set of different criteria.
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    I developed a statistics based program that all of my plays are derived from. The numbers and projections are based on significant correlations and other statistical analysis and have been proven to be the most predictive of future play and efficiency - to points - to wins. I make a play when the projections for a certain game meet a set of different criteria.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2012 - 8:42 AM ET #7

    Any leans this weekend Ed-colins
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    Any leans this weekend Ed-colins
     
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2012 - 9:25 AM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by NFL_Sharp:

    I developed a statistics based program that all of my plays are derived from. The numbers and projections are based on significant correlations and other statistical analysis and have been proven to be the most predictive of future play and efficiency - to points - to wins. I make a play when the projections for a certain game meet a set of different criteria.

    Sounds like logistic regression models.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NFL_Sharp:

    I developed a statistics based program that all of my plays are derived from. The numbers and projections are based on significant correlations and other statistical analysis and have been proven to be the most predictive of future play and efficiency - to points - to wins. I make a play when the projections for a certain game meet a set of different criteria.

    Sounds like logistic regression models.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2012 - 9:29 AM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed-Collins:

    A few weeks ago I wrote an Excel spreadsheet, that, at the click of a button, downloads dozens of NFL stats.  I click the button each week, to keep the stats current.  The program then proceeds to predict the NFL games, using a method I devised.

    Basically, it does in a millisecond what it would take me a half a day to do on my own.

    I'm sure I'm not the only person here who has such a program.

    Excel is pretty good at converting any sort of tabular data on a website into columns and rows.  You don't even need to have a .csv file.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed-Collins:

    A few weeks ago I wrote an Excel spreadsheet, that, at the click of a button, downloads dozens of NFL stats.  I click the button each week, to keep the stats current.  The program then proceeds to predict the NFL games, using a method I devised.

    Basically, it does in a millisecond what it would take me a half a day to do on my own.

    I'm sure I'm not the only person here who has such a program.

    Excel is pretty good at converting any sort of tabular data on a website into columns and rows.  You don't even need to have a .csv file.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2012 - 3:53 PM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by NFL_Sharp:

    I developed a statistics based program that all of my plays are derived from. The numbers and projections are based on significant correlations and other statistical analysis and have been proven to be the most predictive of future play and efficiency - to points - to wins. I make a play when the projections for a certain game meet a set of different criteria.


    I was thinking the same thing. I minored in college, but that was years ago. This just rang off regressions to me :)

    I think if we combine models and statistical analysis together somehow, we could do something more. Like injuries to categorical starters, that should sway -1 or -3 depending on how crucial it is to a given NFL position to offense/defense. Not all injuries are important but if we could baseline it and give it a weight and account for starters that are injured on both offense and defense, that would aid in building a complete model for factors that are outside of stats that we always see.

    To sum it up, I'd say combining historical data to present data = predicted outcome. I may not have the brain power like you guys would have but I do have some ideas... I've been using si1ly's sheets lately and statistically they make sense (most of the time) but they do not account for other factors.

    Like last night, I think I accounted for injuries but one factor that models probably don't account for is emotion cause it's subjective.

    Thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NFL_Sharp:

    I developed a statistics based program that all of my plays are derived from. The numbers and projections are based on significant correlations and other statistical analysis and have been proven to be the most predictive of future play and efficiency - to points - to wins. I make a play when the projections for a certain game meet a set of different criteria.


    I was thinking the same thing. I minored in college, but that was years ago. This just rang off regressions to me :)

    I think if we combine models and statistical analysis together somehow, we could do something more. Like injuries to categorical starters, that should sway -1 or -3 depending on how crucial it is to a given NFL position to offense/defense. Not all injuries are important but if we could baseline it and give it a weight and account for starters that are injured on both offense and defense, that would aid in building a complete model for factors that are outside of stats that we always see.

    To sum it up, I'd say combining historical data to present data = predicted outcome. I may not have the brain power like you guys would have but I do have some ideas... I've been using si1ly's sheets lately and statistically they make sense (most of the time) but they do not account for other factors.

    Like last night, I think I accounted for injuries but one factor that models probably don't account for is emotion cause it's subjective.

    Thoughts?
     
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2012 - 3:57 PM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by NFL_Sharp:

    I developed a statistics based program that all of my plays are derived from. The numbers and projections are based on significant correlations and other statistical analysis and have been proven to be the most predictive of future play and efficiency - to points - to wins. I make a play when the projections for a certain game meet a set of different criteria.


    Sent you an add.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NFL_Sharp:

    I developed a statistics based program that all of my plays are derived from. The numbers and projections are based on significant correlations and other statistical analysis and have been proven to be the most predictive of future play and efficiency - to points - to wins. I make a play when the projections for a certain game meet a set of different criteria.


    Sent you an add.
     
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2012 - 3:57 PM ET #12

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed-Collins:

    A few weeks ago I wrote an Excel spreadsheet, that, at the click of a button, downloads dozens of NFL stats.  I click the button each week, to keep the stats current.  The program then proceeds to predict the NFL games, using a method I devised.

    Basically, it does in a millisecond what it would take me a half a day to do on my own.

    I'm sure I'm not the only person here who has such a program.


    Sent you an add.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed-Collins:

    A few weeks ago I wrote an Excel spreadsheet, that, at the click of a button, downloads dozens of NFL stats.  I click the button each week, to keep the stats current.  The program then proceeds to predict the NFL games, using a method I devised.

    Basically, it does in a millisecond what it would take me a half a day to do on my own.

    I'm sure I'm not the only person here who has such a program.


    Sent you an add.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 9, 2012 - 4:07 PM ET #13

    It's kinda tough right now to develop a statisical model myself currently. But I will eventually get to it. I'm just too busy with work (I work for a startup)
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcz:



    I was thinking the same thing. I minored in college, but that was years ago. This just rang off regressions to me :)

    I think if we combine models and statistical analysis together somehow, we could do something more. Like injuries to categorical starters, that should sway -1 or -3 depending on how crucial it is to a given NFL position to offense/defense. Not all injuries are important but if we could baseline it and give it a weight and account for starters that are injured on both offense and defense, that would aid in building a complete model for factors that are outside of stats that we always see.

    To sum it up, I'd say combining historical data to present data = predicted outcome. I may not have the brain power like you guys would have but I do have some ideas... I've been using si1ly's sheets lately and statistically they make sense (most of the time) but they do not account for other factors.

    Like last night, I think I accounted for injuries but one factor that models probably don't account for is emotion cause it's subjective.

    Thoughts?

    I majored in Mathematics/Actuarial Science in college.  Regression models were used to determine what stats were important in modeling past results and what was most predictive of future performances.  After that, I make projections based on current performance level of teams adjusted for SOS and test those against criteria I've measured over the past season and a half to significantly predict ATS winners.  I don't use regressions to model future outcomes.  I think they help point the right direction in what stats to use, but a predictive model solely based on regressions would not be consistently successful in my opinion.  Unless those models could be tested against certain criteria, the respective weights of each variable would hold too much variance to be consistent - just my opinion.  What I mean is that although a pure statistical model could be used to better predict winners compared to simple moneylines, beating the spread is another story entirely.  I think that's what needs to be tested against projections and compared to past results.  I think far too often regression models are great at modeling the past but fail to predict the future accurately.  I agree about combining historical data with current data, but don't think a linear or evenly weighted model will work.  What I mean is that a team with a 5 yard per pass attempt advantage would not be linearly comparable to a team with a 2.5 YPA advantage with different strengths/weaknesses.  You can project how efficiently a team will pass or run just fine, but that doesn't mean the flow of the game will progress the same.  The team playing against the 5 YPA advantage may drop 8 men in coverage every play and force the run if that's what they're good at controlling.  In this way, a team playing against the 2.5 YPA advantage may actually perform worse than the team playing the 5 YPA advantage if their run defense is worse.  I don't think you can predict performance in each category and add them together.  I think every area needs to be integrated or measured collectively, which is where statistical models fail.  An example - I play unders in games where my system projects high yards per carry and a high number of sacks, regardless of points scored or points allowed.  It seems counterintuitive, but a team rushing the ball well will continue to run and thus run down the clock quicker.  I don't care if they rush for 5 yards every play if it takes them 16 plays and almost 10 minutes to go down the field and score.  A team projected at 2 yards per carry and a low QB rating may seem like a bad team to contribute to an over, but if that means they run the ball 10 times and throw 50, the clock is stopping on every incompletion or they're gaining 8 or so yards with the completion - good for an over.  Now those may seem obvious, but my point is that statistics alone (in a regression model for example) may be able to project a team's stats for a game fairly accurately, but if it doesn't take every category into consideration as a whole, it won't be successful ATS.  I hope this all makes some sense - if not, feel free to ask questions and I'll clarify what I can.

    As far as injuries are concerned, the only offensive injuries I worry about are at quarterback - and possibly offensive linemen.  I completely ignore all other positions and feel completely justified in doing so.  On the defensive side of the ball, however, I'm not sure what positions are most significant and at what relative level.  Certainly the MLB or a lock-down corner, but again, I don't know a way to consistently adjust based on those injuries - especially if you go deeper and address the specific ability of each injured player in question.

    As far as emotions and subjective factors, I don't think they exist (at least not significantly).  In college maybe, but in the NFL where players are playing for a salary, I think motivation levels aren't issues that need to be accounted for consistently.  In certain cases, they probably are present, but for the most part I think every player is completely motivated to play at a predictable level every time.  It's their job. 
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    I was thinking the same thing. I minored in college, but that was years ago. This just rang off regressions to me :)

    I think if we combine models and statistical analysis together somehow, we could do something more. Like injuries to categorical starters, that should sway -1 or -3 depending on how crucial it is to a given NFL position to offense/defense. Not all injuries are important but if we could baseline it and give it a weight and account for starters that are injured on both offense and defense, that would aid in building a complete model for factors that are outside of stats that we always see.

    To sum it up, I'd say combining historical data to present data = predicted outcome. I may not have the brain power like you guys would have but I do have some ideas... I've been using si1ly's sheets lately and statistically they make sense (most of the time) but they do not account for other factors.

    Like last night, I think I accounted for injuries but one factor that models probably don't account for is emotion cause it's subjective.

    Thoughts?

    I majored in Mathematics/Actuarial Science in college.  Regression models were used to determine what stats were important in modeling past results and what was most predictive of future performances.  After that, I make projections based on current performance level of teams adjusted for SOS and test those against criteria I've measured over the past season and a half to significantly predict ATS winners.  I don't use regressions to model future outcomes.  I think they help point the right direction in what stats to use, but a predictive model solely based on regressions would not be consistently successful in my opinion.  Unless those models could be tested against certain criteria, the respective weights of each variable would hold too much variance to be consistent - just my opinion.  What I mean is that although a pure statistical model could be used to better predict winners compared to simple moneylines, beating the spread is another story entirely.  I think that's what needs to be tested against projections and compared to past results.  I think far too often regression models are great at modeling the past but fail to predict the future accurately.  I agree about combining historical data with current data, but don't think a linear or evenly weighted model will work.  What I mean is that a team with a 5 yard per pass attempt advantage would not be linearly comparable to a team with a 2.5 YPA advantage with different strengths/weaknesses.  You can project how efficiently a team will pass or run just fine, but that doesn't mean the flow of the game will progress the same.  The team playing against the 5 YPA advantage may drop 8 men in coverage every play and force the run if that's what they're good at controlling.  In this way, a team playing against the 2.5 YPA advantage may actually perform worse than the team playing the 5 YPA advantage if their run defense is worse.  I don't think you can predict performance in each category and add them together.  I think every area needs to be integrated or measured collectively, which is where statistical models fail.  An example - I play unders in games where my system projects high yards per carry and a high number of sacks, regardless of points scored or points allowed.  It seems counterintuitive, but a team rushing the ball well will continue to run and thus run down the clock quicker.  I don't care if they rush for 5 yards every play if it takes them 16 plays and almost 10 minutes to go down the field and score.  A team projected at 2 yards per carry and a low QB rating may seem like a bad team to contribute to an over, but if that means they run the ball 10 times and throw 50, the clock is stopping on every incompletion or they're gaining 8 or so yards with the completion - good for an over.  Now those may seem obvious, but my point is that statistics alone (in a regression model for example) may be able to project a team's stats for a game fairly accurately, but if it doesn't take every category into consideration as a whole, it won't be successful ATS.  I hope this all makes some sense - if not, feel free to ask questions and I'll clarify what I can.

    As far as injuries are concerned, the only offensive injuries I worry about are at quarterback - and possibly offensive linemen.  I completely ignore all other positions and feel completely justified in doing so.  On the defensive side of the ball, however, I'm not sure what positions are most significant and at what relative level.  Certainly the MLB or a lock-down corner, but again, I don't know a way to consistently adjust based on those injuries - especially if you go deeper and address the specific ability of each injured player in question.

    As far as emotions and subjective factors, I don't think they exist (at least not significantly).  In college maybe, but in the NFL where players are playing for a salary, I think motivation levels aren't issues that need to be accounted for consistently.  In certain cases, they probably are present, but for the most part I think every player is completely motivated to play at a predictable level every time.  It's their job. 
     
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    "I don't think you can predict performance in each category and add them together.  I think every area needs to be integrated or measured collectively, which is where statistical models fail."


    Wise words, Sharp.
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    Wise words, Sharp.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by NFL_Sharp:



    As far as emotions and subjective factors, I don't think they exist (at least not significantly).  In college maybe, but in the NFL where players are playing for a salary, I think motivation levels aren't issues that need to be accounted for consistently.  In certain cases, they probably are present, but for the most part I think every player is completely motivated to play at a predictable level every time.  It's their job. 

    Not so wise..... Emotion is the biggest factor that matters in the NFL
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    As far as emotions and subjective factors, I don't think they exist (at least not significantly).  In college maybe, but in the NFL where players are playing for a salary, I think motivation levels aren't issues that need to be accounted for consistently.  In certain cases, they probably are present, but for the most part I think every player is completely motivated to play at a predictable level every time.  It's their job. 

    Not so wise..... Emotion is the biggest factor that matters in the NFL
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by NFL_Sharp:

    As far as emotions and subjective factors, I don't think they exist (at least not significantly).  In college maybe, but in the NFL where players are playing for a salary, I think motivation levels aren't issues that need to be accounted for consistently.  In certain cases, they probably are present, but for the most part I think every player is completely motivated to play at a predictable level every time.  It's their job. 


    Point taken :)

    I always like to look at things from a different perspective. That, is a great perspective to look at emotions. Well explained with examples

    Any leans this week si1ly? NFL_Sharp? Ed-Collins? Maybe we can come up with some consensus plays :)
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    As far as emotions and subjective factors, I don't think they exist (at least not significantly).  In college maybe, but in the NFL where players are playing for a salary, I think motivation levels aren't issues that need to be accounted for consistently.  In certain cases, they probably are present, but for the most part I think every player is completely motivated to play at a predictable level every time.  It's their job. 


    Point taken :)

    I always like to look at things from a different perspective. That, is a great perspective to look at emotions. Well explained with examples

    Any leans this week si1ly? NFL_Sharp? Ed-Collins? Maybe we can come up with some consensus plays :)
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcz:

    Are there any existing amongst the covers community? Only one that I know of is si1ly. By statisticians, I mean people who use statistics to predict outcomes.

    PrimeTimeBoys, he has a good money management program also.

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    Are there any existing amongst the covers community? Only one that I know of is si1ly. By statisticians, I mean people who use statistics to predict outcomes.

    PrimeTimeBoys, he has a good money management program also.

     
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    Wussieman, dont think he's not just because he cant spell!

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    Wussieman, dont think he's not just because he cant spell!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigUnit:

    PrimeTimeBoys, he has a good money management program also.



    Money Management is a part of sports betting, but I'm looking for people who calculate outcomes based off variables of NFL football.
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    Money Management is a part of sports betting, but I'm looking for people who calculate outcomes based off variables of NFL football.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by pcz:



    Point taken :)

    I always like to look at things from a different perspective. That, is a great perspective to look at emotions. Well explained with examples

    Any leans this week si1ly? NFL_Sharp? Ed-Collins? Maybe we can come up with some consensus plays :)


    Detroit over Minnesota
    Oakland over Baltimore
    Dallas over Philly
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    Point taken :)

    I always like to look at things from a different perspective. That, is a great perspective to look at emotions. Well explained with examples

    Any leans this week si1ly? NFL_Sharp? Ed-Collins? Maybe we can come up with some consensus plays :)


    Detroit over Minnesota
    Oakland over Baltimore
    Dallas over Philly
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed-Collins:



    Detroit over Minnesota
    Oakland over Baltimore
    Dallas over Philly

    Have all three of these as well, among others.
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    Detroit over Minnesota
    Oakland over Baltimore
    Dallas over Philly

    Have all three of these as well, among others.
     
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    are you saying take the sides of detroit oakland and dallas or the overs in those games?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JJ44:

    are you saying take the sides of detroit oakland and dallas or the overs in those games?

    Sides
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    are you saying take the sides of detroit oakland and dallas or the overs in those games?

    Sides
     
     
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    Out of those three, I only like the Cowgirls.
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