The New York Jets 2015

they're still the jets. they still don't have brady. they probably cover a few more games than last year but still end up 7-9 or something. the geno/fitz gruesome twosome will still rear their ugly heads at some point in the season, probably blowing a couple of winnable games in the process. 

Quarterback situation is a mess.  There coach doesn't have a handle on this team just yet, and may never.  Until Todd Bowles proves that he's head coach material - this team struggles in my opinion.

Defensively, they have talent - which will equate to a few wins, but overall - would put money Jets win less than 7 games this year.

Also regarding Geno Smith, as a starting QB in the NFL, he has all the physical tools necessary.  I would say the book is out on his mental qualities.  Certainly, the young man isn't a leader when he has his own team mates breaking his jaw.

Throw the playbook out, no team in this league is successful with some kind of quality QB play.  Intangibles and leadership skills are also qualities most teams require from their franchise QB.  Jets don't have this in Geno Smith, from what I've observed.

Totallypsycho & Xenandwin: good points made.

But keep one thing in mind: this team won 4 games with an anti-QB coach, a pressured and turnover-prone Geno Smith, NO secondary, an average receiving corps and they came close to beating the Pats twice, should have forced overtime AT Green Bay, outgained the Bears and lost in OT at Minnesota. Now they have Ryan Fitzpatrick under his old coach starting who had his best season in 2014 and for instance was graded as the 15th-best QB by PFF, a slightly improved o-line, one of the best secondaries in the league, and an upgraded and deep receiving corps. They also have a few solid RBs for short downs and RZ.

Their home schedule is very fair and they only have six true road games. I have them as an 8-8 team with some upside if things work out the right way.

Suuma, I understand - they're your team and there is some validity to your points.  Can't argue you away from backing and lover your team!

I think Jets always played up to the Patriots with Rex Ryan as their head coach.  I don't consider Ryan an anti-QB coach, just a defensive coach who struggles developing QBs.

I don't take too much stake in what the Jets did last year, because I feel overall this team is quite a bit different from last year, especially with the coaching change.

If it makes you feel better, I think the Patriots struggle to get 8 wins this season.

This might sound crazy, but my thoughts are always objective. I always try to be as unbiased as I can. I don't wish the Jets would go 8-8, I truly believe they are an 8-8 team. And I think some people will be surprised.

I share the same opinion about the Patriots than you do. It sounds very stupid to say this about the current SB champions, but I don't see how they are able to manage to win 10 games. It would surprise me. I see them competing for the third place within the AFC East.

Jets due a regression in 2015 to win more games then last season.

Part of the difficulty in evaluating both the Jets and the Bills is the "Rex Factor." Yes, players enjoy playing for him. But how far has that gotten his teams or, for that matter, anyone else's ? Okay, the team gets "up" for a game here and there, but how far does that carry a team ? Not far. And although he's above average as a defensive coordinator, he's one of the worst in-game head coaches I've ever seen, particularly when it comes to managing the clock.

All things considered, if you don't have a good quarterback, it puts a lot of pressure on the rest of your offense and on your defense. I think the Bills will be mediocre this year, due in large part to the fact that their quarterbacks stink. I think the Jets will stink this year because they have the worst quarterbacks in football.

GimmeTheMoney: We are in 2015, please wake up. You seem to be a hater. To say the Jets will be lucky to win 3 games is as delusional as anything can be and it's stupid to even talk about that.

umm.

1 game from the superbowl ??

Both, haha. I was referring to PFF as a stats site and he asked me why I am on covers when I have PFF, LOL.

Jets getting 17.5 in Foxborough seems like easy money to me...hell I might even take them with a small bet money line.  Jets play up to the Patriots - this league, don't think anyone should get more than two touchdowns...unless it's the worst vs. the best at home.  That certainly isn't the case with Jets at Patriots in Foxborough.

I had a laugh. And in which universe are the Jets going to be +17.5 dogs? This line currently sits at +8.5 and you expect it to be +17.5 by the game week? What has to happen for a Jets line to get to 17.5 at Foxborough? Yeah you are really a guy who looks at spreads.

If you are not hating, please give me explanations about the matchups in weeks 1-4 and tell me why the Jets would start 0-4 in your opinion.

Good luck this season though!

^^C'mon Man!! At 17.5, of course I was being facetious!

Some quick thoughts on the Jets/Falcons game, or what my observations were before I fell asleep:

Leonard Williams - very disruptive. 4 TFL. But that safety was too easy.

Ryan Fitzpatrick - looked solid but had to go for a lot of checkdowns because the Falcons' zone defense was pretty good. Had enough time on most of the throws.

Bryce Petty - doesn't look like to be a starter soon.

Kellen Davis - horrible blocking, 3 penalties for holding.

Jets' o-line - only played the first three drives together when I remember right but it wasn't their best effort. Carpenter got terribly beat by Adrian Clayborne on one play for a sack.

Antonio Cromartie - didn't look focused, got beat twice or so.

Revis - Island. I didn't see Julio Jones breaking free once except in the end zone when Revis got penalized and that throw looked a bit too high IMO.


Falcons defense - first string looked pretty solid with their zone defense. Quinn is helping this team. Clayborne looked REALLY good, Vic Beasley didn't really impress against Breno Giacomini.

Jalen Collins - looked a bit like Trae Waynes in the first game, way off his man, too much distance to adjust to the WRs route.

Justin Durant - was reading the game very good.

Both teams were terrible on third down.

What I said in two threads today: the Jets' first string are way too much for the Giants. Ereck Flowers got beaten on so many plays, have fun against Randy Gregory in week one. The TD drive by the Giants was led by two huge penalties by Demario Davis. Could have been 21-3.

It's time to realize that the Jets are for real and the awesome work Mike Maccagnan has done during the off-season is starting to pay dividends.

Jets defense at this point:

12 PPG #1
4.5 yards per play #2
33% RZ TD percentage #1
18 consecutive three-and-outs

And then you realize that Sheldon Richardson is back after the bye.

Gl tonight Suuma

Jets@Giants recap:

Wow, I am still fascinated with what the Jets have done in the fourth quarter. You can look at this game by two different views: either you say Coughlin gave the game away, or you say the Jets have completely earned that win at the end.

View #1: Up 20-10, the Giants were to kick a FG from about the Jets' 35 or so on 4th and 1. Jets got penalized for a false start - new set of downs for the Giants which led to a 4th and goal at the Jets' 2yd-line. Coughlin decided to go for it instead of kicking the FG - Rontez Miles read the slant route very well and intercepted the pass. The Jets rallied to win that game with excellent play-calling.

View #2: The Jets did a GREAT job defensively, shutting down the Giants' rushing attack almost completely like I expected and holding Eli to 18/34 with a big 72-yd TD bomb to OBJ. It was obvious something like that would happen. The Giants scored on a punt return TD and on a FG after an Ivory fumble at the own 20. So the Giants only scored 10 real points offensively with that one big play. The Jets held the Giants to ZERO TDs on 3 RZ attempts, even without Marcus Williams and Darrelle Revis.

On the offensive side of the ball, the protection for Ryan Fitzpatrick wasn't good, but he still posted a stat line of 36/50 for 390 yards. A huge compliment goes to the play-calling by Chan Gailey. I always ask myself why teams are running the ball when they are behind and need to put points on the board. On the final two drives, Gailey called just one run play when I remember right. The Jets had FIVE (!!!) drives of 60+ yards on which they scored. They were moving the chains on offense and the Giants weren't able to stop Decker and Marshall from catching passes: 20/25 for 232 yards.

My personal conclusion: The Jets got an advantage after Coughlin went for it on 4th down to come back, but if you had watched the whole game, you would have seen that the Jets are a better team than the Giants and earned that win. 5 to 2 scoring drives over 60+ yds says everything. Haters will say the Jets went all in at the end, but if the Giants were a good team, they wouldn't have given up these two scoring drives at the end of the 2nd half and the one in overtime. The Jets just torched them.


Outlook for the remaining games:

People in this thread have been calling me "as delusional as Fireman Ed" when I predicted 8+ wins for the Jets and were saying they are the same old Jets and stuff. But there is one fact: The Jets are going to the playoffs, period. They are sitting in a wild card spot at 7-5 right now with games against the Titans, Cowboys, Patriots & Bills remaining. 2-2 in those games should seal the way into the playoffs. The Jets should win against the Titans if they want to be a playoff contender as well as against Matt Cassel. The Patriots are running out of gas without Edelman, Gronk and Lewis and the Jets had a lead in the fourth quarter AT Foxboro. Also the Bills game will be a different one next time. I am banking on 2-2 with a shot at 3-1.

The Jets have had a bad stretch, especially defensively. But everybody knows about the potential of this defense. The front seven plays extremely well and I expect that Revis will come back strong after his concussion absence. Marcus Williams is also a very underrated player in nickle packages. The special teams are the biggest weakness. But what I really like about this team is the offense. Chan Gailey is an excellent play-caller and what I highly respect is that he has gameplans for the weaknesses of opposing teams and adjusts very well in-game. Teams struggle to defend Marshall and Decker. Devin Smith has missed all training camp with broken ribs and was plagued with little injuries and out of sync problems during the season. Against the Texans and Dolphins he showed what kind of threat he can be on deep passing routes. That allows Marshall and Decker to get more separation. If the Jets can work Smith into the mix, opposing DC's will be up at night and that's not a joke. Chris Ivory is punishing defenses on the ground.

Once again, people might laugh at me, but the Jets could be a dangerous team going into the playoffs IF Revis connects with his All Pro performances from the beginning of the season when no one saw a shot against him. He is arguably the x-factor. When looking at the current playoff picture, the Jets would have the toughest matchups against a healthy NE team and the Steelers if they make the playoffs. Brock Osweiler, Alex Smith and Andrew Luck aren't going to beat the Jets when the spot is not given. The Bengals can show us next Sunday how good they really are, wanna wait for that game.

Feel free to discuss