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    glyde69
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    Posted: Jan. 23, 2015 - 8:20 PM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by Polar_Bear:

    if you took this approach in Wilson's ten other games against "lighter skinned" Super Bowl winning quarterbacks you would be 0-10 straight up which if my math does not escape me here is a whopping 0% success rate.....GL with that.


     Polar Bear 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Polar_Bear:

    if you took this approach in Wilson's ten other games against "lighter skinned" Super Bowl winning quarterbacks you would be 0-10 straight up which if my math does not escape me here is a whopping 0% success rate.....GL with that.


     Polar Bear 
     
    earthWake
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    Posted: Jan. 24, 2015 - 11:50 AM ET #27

    Quote Originally Posted by glyde69:


    Hey earth, just seeing this post now. Yea man, that would be nuts if you and your boy rode the Hawks to 1-2 out of 150 guys. But if I read the pool right, after week 9, the Hawks IIRC were only 5-4 or 5-3 with a few tough games on deck. Who would have thought SF would collapse like they did, or two games against Zona with no Palmer? I probably would have done the same in your shoes. 

    Yea, I'm into pools, but it depends what the setup is. Like I like the Covers contests, but I'll be trucking along early in the year hitting at 57% and up 5,000 units and 177 out 10,000.  But then I see it's filled with guys that take all 16 sides and totals and guys have that wacky 28-4 kind of day and suddenly are up 20,000 units....and I panic and before I know it, I'm taking all 16 games a week and 10 of them I barely capped as I'm someone who knows by Tuesday who I'm interested in, and the games I'm not betting, I kind of ignore. 

    But March madness....I don't follow college hoops, but I'll crack study in early March just to have a vague idea of whose who and March madness is always fun. I like Hilton style pools where you pick 5 games and getting a good line is part of the equation(losing on 2-3 games an entire season because of getting a bad line....that's enough to drop from 40th to 200th and not cashing, so I dig that extra piece of strategy. Love bowl pools. It's funny how I was bragging that in the last decade, I never wound up in the minus in bowl games, and that with NFL playoffs always give me that final late season boost.....and LOL, I got slaughtered this year in bowl games. I was in SHOCK that I started 0-9 in bowls. Then I went on a 13-4 run mid bowls to get to .500 on the bowls.....and Baylor blowing that 34-14 lead was the nail in my coffin. Lost all 3 nat champ games to wind up down. I deserved it though talking trash!!! 

    But yea man, stay in touch and ill join your boys MM pool. Sounds like fun. Also, I want to thank you for popping in my threads all year. I appreciate all the insught you brought. You and about a dozen regulars all help me GREATLY when I have intelligent guys to riff with all week long. I wasn't able to do WRITEUPS like I normally have done in the past(was hit or miss on limited time), but I think I brought just enough to the table, where guys like you and the other regulars picked up the slack and it was a fairly informative thread of good info. Much appreciated, Earth, as well as the other regulars(I don't want to ring off names for fear of missing someone but you guys know who u are). 

     All around. 

    Yes. The main reason I did not have Seattle in SB after week 9 was the Cardinals were running away with the division at 8-1 and Hawks were 5-3 I believe. If Palmer stays healthy Seattle would not have had homefield and the way they were strouggling thru week 9 I just didn't see them repeating. I will admit that I gave up on them for a span of like 2 weeks around week 9 but after that game on Thanksgiving I saw the spark again. Still very frustrated at myself.

    Still sifting through the prop bets but the only ones I am on right now are. Interested to see what you are on. I don't have too much problem laying -115 on a prop but very, very hesitant to lay -125 for obvious reason.

    -Blount under 62.5 yards

    -Wilson under 42.5 rushing yards

    -Brady under 260.5 (even) and under 1.5 TD (+145)

     

    Other than my Dolphins thread I hardly post my thoughts at all besides your thread and sometimes trains. Sometimes I'll open a stupid thread and give sarcastic comment but for the most part I like sticking to these threads because there is less nonsense. Its about winning money and bouncing actual thoughts not about proving how good you are at betting. I can easily tell the covers members whose main interest is winning money.

    I will send you a PM when I get the MM info. The format of almost all of his pools is you pay when the season starts (from 10$-60$ depending on pool) and then he sends out weekly winners (and updates) and end of year winners. The MM one does not have weekly winners for obvious reasons. Been doing them about 5 years and never had a complaint. I'm always surprised at all the work he puts in.

    Glyde

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    Quote Originally Posted by glyde69:


    Hey earth, just seeing this post now. Yea man, that would be nuts if you and your boy rode the Hawks to 1-2 out of 150 guys. But if I read the pool right, after week 9, the Hawks IIRC were only 5-4 or 5-3 with a few tough games on deck. Who would have thought SF would collapse like they did, or two games against Zona with no Palmer? I probably would have done the same in your shoes. 

    Yea, I'm into pools, but it depends what the setup is. Like I like the Covers contests, but I'll be trucking along early in the year hitting at 57% and up 5,000 units and 177 out 10,000.  But then I see it's filled with guys that take all 16 sides and totals and guys have that wacky 28-4 kind of day and suddenly are up 20,000 units....and I panic and before I know it, I'm taking all 16 games a week and 10 of them I barely capped as I'm someone who knows by Tuesday who I'm interested in, and the games I'm not betting, I kind of ignore. 

    But March madness....I don't follow college hoops, but I'll crack study in early March just to have a vague idea of whose who and March madness is always fun. I like Hilton style pools where you pick 5 games and getting a good line is part of the equation(losing on 2-3 games an entire season because of getting a bad line....that's enough to drop from 40th to 200th and not cashing, so I dig that extra piece of strategy. Love bowl pools. It's funny how I was bragging that in the last decade, I never wound up in the minus in bowl games, and that with NFL playoffs always give me that final late season boost.....and LOL, I got slaughtered this year in bowl games. I was in SHOCK that I started 0-9 in bowls. Then I went on a 13-4 run mid bowls to get to .500 on the bowls.....and Baylor blowing that 34-14 lead was the nail in my coffin. Lost all 3 nat champ games to wind up down. I deserved it though talking trash!!! 

    But yea man, stay in touch and ill join your boys MM pool. Sounds like fun. Also, I want to thank you for popping in my threads all year. I appreciate all the insught you brought. You and about a dozen regulars all help me GREATLY when I have intelligent guys to riff with all week long. I wasn't able to do WRITEUPS like I normally have done in the past(was hit or miss on limited time), but I think I brought just enough to the table, where guys like you and the other regulars picked up the slack and it was a fairly informative thread of good info. Much appreciated, Earth, as well as the other regulars(I don't want to ring off names for fear of missing someone but you guys know who u are). 

     All around. 

    Yes. The main reason I did not have Seattle in SB after week 9 was the Cardinals were running away with the division at 8-1 and Hawks were 5-3 I believe. If Palmer stays healthy Seattle would not have had homefield and the way they were strouggling thru week 9 I just didn't see them repeating. I will admit that I gave up on them for a span of like 2 weeks around week 9 but after that game on Thanksgiving I saw the spark again. Still very frustrated at myself.

    Still sifting through the prop bets but the only ones I am on right now are. Interested to see what you are on. I don't have too much problem laying -115 on a prop but very, very hesitant to lay -125 for obvious reason.

    -Blount under 62.5 yards

    -Wilson under 42.5 rushing yards

    -Brady under 260.5 (even) and under 1.5 TD (+145)

     

    Other than my Dolphins thread I hardly post my thoughts at all besides your thread and sometimes trains. Sometimes I'll open a stupid thread and give sarcastic comment but for the most part I like sticking to these threads because there is less nonsense. Its about winning money and bouncing actual thoughts not about proving how good you are at betting. I can easily tell the covers members whose main interest is winning money.

    I will send you a PM when I get the MM info. The format of almost all of his pools is you pay when the season starts (from 10$-60$ depending on pool) and then he sends out weekly winners (and updates) and end of year winners. The MM one does not have weekly winners for obvious reasons. Been doing them about 5 years and never had a complaint. I'm always surprised at all the work he puts in.

    Glyde

     
    AnthonyStarks
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    Posted: Jan. 25, 2015 - 12:07 AM ET #28

    New England large 
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    phixer
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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2015 - 12:19 AM ET #29

    the fact the game line released was seattle -3 told the story of the game we will see. first of all one of the halves will be won by seattle and most probably the first. then when brady and and co will be expected to come back in the second half - it will be seattlen all over again. last season was the similar story with the seahawks and the broncos when it was inconcinvable to imagine the seahawaks winning but the line said it all and we cashed big on that. 
    good luck with you pick Glyde
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    the fact the game line released was seattle -3 told the story of the game we will see. first of all one of the halves will be won by seattle and most probably the first. then when brady and and co will be expected to come back in the second half - it will be seattlen all over again. last season was the similar story with the seahawks and the broncos when it was inconcinvable to imagine the seahawaks winning but the line said it all and we cashed big on that. 
    good luck with you pick Glyde
     
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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2015 - 12:51 PM ET #30

    Good Luck !  
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    Good Luck !  
     
    glyde69
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2015 - 10:23 PM ET #31

    Just added my prop bets. Probably my only two for the day. Spur of the moment, i might get cute and try to hit a low risk/high reward one like first player to score or will there be a safety in the game(yes), but most likely my only prop plays are: 

    Luke Willson OVER 2.5 receptions -118. 
    Luke Willson OVER 35.5 yards. +100. 

    I'm a little pissed I got bad lines. When the props dropped, those were the only two that really stood out to me and I believed were truly bad lines set by the bookmakers. BUT i didn't like the juice with -115 for 2.5 rec and -130 IIRC for over 27.5 yards. Figured I would wait it out and catch it at 3 catches and 28 yards for plus money. Next thing I know, I'm getting 2.5 at -118 and the yards skyrocketed to 35.5 yards(+100). Feel like a sucker, but at the same time I think he can get the yards in one big play if Wilson extends a play with his feet and Willson gets lost in the middle. He can make a catch and keep running and running, so I think we see a line of 6-72-1 for him. 

    Added another half unit on Seattle so FINAL PLAYS: 

    Seattle PK -110. 2 units. 
    Seattle ML -105. 0.5 units. 
    Willson over 2.5 catches -118. 0.5 units. 
    Willson over 35.5 receiving yards +100. 0.5 units. 

    Again, GL to all, and thank you all who have contributed in my threads all year long. 
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    Just added my prop bets. Probably my only two for the day. Spur of the moment, i might get cute and try to hit a low risk/high reward one like first player to score or will there be a safety in the game(yes), but most likely my only prop plays are: 

    Luke Willson OVER 2.5 receptions -118. 
    Luke Willson OVER 35.5 yards. +100. 

    I'm a little pissed I got bad lines. When the props dropped, those were the only two that really stood out to me and I believed were truly bad lines set by the bookmakers. BUT i didn't like the juice with -115 for 2.5 rec and -130 IIRC for over 27.5 yards. Figured I would wait it out and catch it at 3 catches and 28 yards for plus money. Next thing I know, I'm getting 2.5 at -118 and the yards skyrocketed to 35.5 yards(+100). Feel like a sucker, but at the same time I think he can get the yards in one big play if Wilson extends a play with his feet and Willson gets lost in the middle. He can make a catch and keep running and running, so I think we see a line of 6-72-1 for him. 

    Added another half unit on Seattle so FINAL PLAYS: 

    Seattle PK -110. 2 units. 
    Seattle ML -105. 0.5 units. 
    Willson over 2.5 catches -118. 0.5 units. 
    Willson over 35.5 receiving yards +100. 0.5 units. 

    Again, GL to all, and thank you all who have contributed in my threads all year long. 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2015 - 3:38 AM ET #32

    As this game gets closer. I am getting a feeling of calm and confidence very similar to before last years superbowl. The more experts and people I see on NE, the better I feel.

    After some deep discussion about the game tonight with some pretty knowledgeable people. We just kind of came to the conclusion of a Seahawks blowout. I just don't see what thje Patriots are going to do on offense. Lafell and Amendola will be a non-factor leaving Gronk and Edleman. I just don't see them being any match for the physicality the Hawks will bring. Much like D Thomas, Decker and Welker were not ready for it last year.

    Barring 3+ turnovers I don't see how the Hawks don't will this game easily. Maybe as far as to say, laughably. I can't see any logical reason to back the Pats other than they played well against the Colts. I said it before last years SB and will say it again. I just don't get how more people don't see how good the Seahawks secondary really is. I know they are respected, but don't understand how they are not already talked about as maybe the best ever.

    Peoples biggest knock on the Hawks seems to be 'they haven't played anyone in the last 8 weeks. Well they played the teams on their schedule and did the only thing they can do...Dominate..They outscored teams 134-39..They cannot help who they play. Its not like they beat up on NFL's worst teams. They played SF twice, Ari twice and Eagles...Another knock is 'the Panthers almost beat them.' Anyone saying that is grasping at straws and has a vendetta vs Seattle. They dominated that game. The panthers only 2 TDs came on a 14 play, 80 yard drive which they needed to convert four 3rd downs (that's called earning it), and a prevent defense drive with Hawks up 31-10 with 5 minutes left.

    I will admit the Panthers did have more success than I thought they would, but its obvious that the only way to have success vs Seattle D is with a running QB. They held Brees to 15 points (ZERO points for the first 3 and a half quarters) Manning to 8 points, and Rodgers to 22 points (Packers didn't have a scoring drive over 56 yards. 3 of their 4 FG drives, the Packers gained less than 22 yards)...The only QBS to have success were Kap and Newton (both held to 17 points) and Kap needed to break off some crazy runs and his TD pass was a lucky heave off 1 foot that was 1 inch from an INT...Absolutely nothing in those numbers suggest Brady will do anything..at all....People are judging so much off of last week its ridiculous. That was Wilsons only bad game in SEVEN playoff game, and it was in bad weather condition. Chances he has back to back bad games are SLIM.

    And the kicker might even be. If the Pats do somehow make some plays and get some breaks. Wilson has lead playoff comebacks of 14-0. 27-7 (even tho they lost 30-28), 17-10 and 22-7...Yeah, sign me up to bet against that guy...I won't be surprised if the Hawks win. I will be surprised if they don't win by 14 or more. I really feel like this game will be similar to last year. Most likely over by the 3rd quarter. Not great for rating, but great for Hawks backers.

    Hawks

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    As this game gets closer. I am getting a feeling of calm and confidence very similar to before last years superbowl. The more experts and people I see on NE, the better I feel.

    After some deep discussion about the game tonight with some pretty knowledgeable people. We just kind of came to the conclusion of a Seahawks blowout. I just don't see what thje Patriots are going to do on offense. Lafell and Amendola will be a non-factor leaving Gronk and Edleman. I just don't see them being any match for the physicality the Hawks will bring. Much like D Thomas, Decker and Welker were not ready for it last year.

    Barring 3+ turnovers I don't see how the Hawks don't will this game easily. Maybe as far as to say, laughably. I can't see any logical reason to back the Pats other than they played well against the Colts. I said it before last years SB and will say it again. I just don't get how more people don't see how good the Seahawks secondary really is. I know they are respected, but don't understand how they are not already talked about as maybe the best ever.

    Peoples biggest knock on the Hawks seems to be 'they haven't played anyone in the last 8 weeks. Well they played the teams on their schedule and did the only thing they can do...Dominate..They outscored teams 134-39..They cannot help who they play. Its not like they beat up on NFL's worst teams. They played SF twice, Ari twice and Eagles...Another knock is 'the Panthers almost beat them.' Anyone saying that is grasping at straws and has a vendetta vs Seattle. They dominated that game. The panthers only 2 TDs came on a 14 play, 80 yard drive which they needed to convert four 3rd downs (that's called earning it), and a prevent defense drive with Hawks up 31-10 with 5 minutes left.

    I will admit the Panthers did have more success than I thought they would, but its obvious that the only way to have success vs Seattle D is with a running QB. They held Brees to 15 points (ZERO points for the first 3 and a half quarters) Manning to 8 points, and Rodgers to 22 points (Packers didn't have a scoring drive over 56 yards. 3 of their 4 FG drives, the Packers gained less than 22 yards)...The only QBS to have success were Kap and Newton (both held to 17 points) and Kap needed to break off some crazy runs and his TD pass was a lucky heave off 1 foot that was 1 inch from an INT...Absolutely nothing in those numbers suggest Brady will do anything..at all....People are judging so much off of last week its ridiculous. That was Wilsons only bad game in SEVEN playoff game, and it was in bad weather condition. Chances he has back to back bad games are SLIM.

    And the kicker might even be. If the Pats do somehow make some plays and get some breaks. Wilson has lead playoff comebacks of 14-0. 27-7 (even tho they lost 30-28), 17-10 and 22-7...Yeah, sign me up to bet against that guy...I won't be surprised if the Hawks win. I will be surprised if they don't win by 14 or more. I really feel like this game will be similar to last year. Most likely over by the 3rd quarter. Not great for rating, but great for Hawks backers.

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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2015 - 8:31 AM ET #33

    Seattle !!!   BOL! Glad to see you hit your unit total for the year. Fine job.
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    Seattle !!!   BOL! Glad to see you hit your unit total for the year. Fine job.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2015 - 12:06 PM ET #34

    Quote Originally Posted by jrgumpert:

    Give me the lighter skinned QB, that usually hits at about a 75% rate or higher.


    False.........................................

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrgumpert:

    Give me the lighter skinned QB, that usually hits at about a 75% rate or higher.


    False.........................................

     
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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2015 - 6:04 PM ET #35

    I wonder whether anybody is factoring in the fact that Tom Brady has to play a game with footballs at an air pressure that he hasn't used in a game since 2007.  This has to have a negative affect on his accuracy, timing, and confidence in his throws.
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    I wonder whether anybody is factoring in the fact that Tom Brady has to play a game with footballs at an air pressure that he hasn't used in a game since 2007.  This has to have a negative affect on his accuracy, timing, and confidence in his throws.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2015 - 6:25 PM ET #36

    I agree 1000% Earth. The only thing that is irking me a bit is the injuries on the Seahawks defense. I heard Cam got banged up in practice yesterday and left with a giant ice and tape thing on his knee. Earl Tjomas is banged up a bit. Sherman looks ok, but if his shoulder isn't 100%, that could be the difference between a pick or deflection or even a TD instead of a deflection. Also those guys like to HIT and if they're all banged up, could take away from that OOOMPH that they brought to Denver early in that rout.
    Plus one of their DT was valeting cars just 4 weeks ago before Seattle brought him in so that DL certainly isn't as deep as prior years.

    Still think this is a comfortable 31-13 kind of win though. Just saw the great Daily News "expert" likes the Hawks and for a guy who writes a nice column in arguably the biggest newspaper in the country, yet has never to be over .500(boggles my mind the news can't find a guy who can at least go .500), his jinxery worries me.
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    I agree 1000% Earth. The only thing that is irking me a bit is the injuries on the Seahawks defense. I heard Cam got banged up in practice yesterday and left with a giant ice and tape thing on his knee. Earl Tjomas is banged up a bit. Sherman looks ok, but if his shoulder isn't 100%, that could be the difference between a pick or deflection or even a TD instead of a deflection. Also those guys like to HIT and if they're all banged up, could take away from that OOOMPH that they brought to Denver early in that rout.
    Plus one of their DT was valeting cars just 4 weeks ago before Seattle brought him in so that DL certainly isn't as deep as prior years.

    Still think this is a comfortable 31-13 kind of win though. Just saw the great Daily News "expert" likes the Hawks and for a guy who writes a nice column in arguably the biggest newspaper in the country, yet has never to be over .500(boggles my mind the news can't find a guy who can at least go .500), his jinxery worries me.
     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 31, 2015 - 6:34 PM ET #37

    Introspect, the balls being a little more inflated could possibly be a thing for Brady, but I don't think so, IMO.

    Brady is a Hall of Famer and a legend. I can't imagine in perfect weather conditions that a little extra air could be a factor. Maybe in cold or rainy spots....but not in Tempe. Although my buddy is doing security for the Super Bowl and the last I spoke to him, it was raining for days. So maybe the weather won't be typical PERFECT Arizona weather.

    I have a "pro" ball in my garage I've been playing around with and experimenting with the air pressure, I really don't see much of a difference. Sure it "gives" the tiniest bit at Brady's preference compared to the higher side of things, but a guy like Brady....IMO it should not make much of a difference on Sunday. I actually prefer a ball that is over inflated and always did playing ball growing up when I was usually QB. A squishy or softer ball I always had trouble with accuracy and keeping a tight spiral, but from what I hear all pro QB like it different. So if cold and wet games in Foxboro in December help Brady more, so be it.
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    Introspect, the balls being a little more inflated could possibly be a thing for Brady, but I don't think so, IMO.

    Brady is a Hall of Famer and a legend. I can't imagine in perfect weather conditions that a little extra air could be a factor. Maybe in cold or rainy spots....but not in Tempe. Although my buddy is doing security for the Super Bowl and the last I spoke to him, it was raining for days. So maybe the weather won't be typical PERFECT Arizona weather.

    I have a "pro" ball in my garage I've been playing around with and experimenting with the air pressure, I really don't see much of a difference. Sure it "gives" the tiniest bit at Brady's preference compared to the higher side of things, but a guy like Brady....IMO it should not make much of a difference on Sunday. I actually prefer a ball that is over inflated and always did playing ball growing up when I was usually QB. A squishy or softer ball I always had trouble with accuracy and keeping a tight spiral, but from what I hear all pro QB like it different. So if cold and wet games in Foxboro in December help Brady more, so be it.
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