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    Seems like the perfect chance to take the Pats in a bounce back...

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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2014 - 1:14 PM ET #51

    Cinn will bury Brady and NE..   NE had a tough time with Oakland and if it wasn't for a gift int. to end the game, they would have lost that one also. The beginning of the end for NE started last Monday night. Now it becomes a slippery slope to the demise of NE, because i dont see them fixing their main glaring problem anytime soon. OL
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    Cinn will bury Brady and NE..   NE had a tough time with Oakland and if it wasn't for a gift int. to end the game, they would have lost that one also. The beginning of the end for NE started last Monday night. Now it becomes a slippery slope to the demise of NE, because i dont see them fixing their main glaring problem anytime soon. OL
     
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2014 - 1:15 PM ET #52

    Quote Originally Posted by BoldBets:

    Sure Cincy could win by 4000 points, but making your true line -7 is a huge overreaction. Give me proof of anyone in the world that would have come up with that line and I might soften my stance.


    • 1) I don't give a flying f&^* if you soften your stance... you're a babbling idiot!
    • 2) My line is not based on what happened on Monday night... I bet Cincy before that game started! This is the biggest "perception" mismatch that will take place in the NFL this season...
    • 3) How (or why) would I give you "proof" that someone else thinks the line should be Cincy (-7)???
    • 4) What part of your brain has told you that I should HAVE TO provide proof of such a thing?
    • 5) I can provide "proof" that Pure Points thinks the correct line is Cincy (-4.5)... so why is it such a monstrous stretch to say it should be another 2 points on top of that?
    • 6) If you think the correct line on this game is anywhere between Cincy (-2.5) and NE (-2.5), you shouldn't be betting it, since that falls too close to margin of error. I only bet on games where the line is off by 3.5 points or more... so if I didn't think the line should be (AT LEAST) Cincy (-3.5), I wouldn't even be discussing it!
    • 7) You have issues, and you should have them addressed by a trained professional!


    For the last time... make your bets!  I've made mine, and I will return to this thread after the game... while you, will not!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoldBets:

    Sure Cincy could win by 4000 points, but making your true line -7 is a huge overreaction. Give me proof of anyone in the world that would have come up with that line and I might soften my stance.


    • 1) I don't give a flying f&^* if you soften your stance... you're a babbling idiot!
    • 2) My line is not based on what happened on Monday night... I bet Cincy before that game started! This is the biggest "perception" mismatch that will take place in the NFL this season...
    • 3) How (or why) would I give you "proof" that someone else thinks the line should be Cincy (-7)???
    • 4) What part of your brain has told you that I should HAVE TO provide proof of such a thing?
    • 5) I can provide "proof" that Pure Points thinks the correct line is Cincy (-4.5)... so why is it such a monstrous stretch to say it should be another 2 points on top of that?
    • 6) If you think the correct line on this game is anywhere between Cincy (-2.5) and NE (-2.5), you shouldn't be betting it, since that falls too close to margin of error. I only bet on games where the line is off by 3.5 points or more... so if I didn't think the line should be (AT LEAST) Cincy (-3.5), I wouldn't even be discussing it!
    • 7) You have issues, and you should have them addressed by a trained professional!


    For the last time... make your bets!  I've made mine, and I will return to this thread after the game... while you, will not!
     
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2014 - 1:15 PM ET #53

    Quote Originally Posted by BoldBets:

    Sure Cincy could win by 4000 points, but making your true line -7 is a huge overreaction. Give me proof of anyone in the world that would have come up with that line and I might soften my stance.


    • 1) I don't give a flying f&^* if you soften your stance... you're a babbling idiot!
    • 2) My line is not based on what happened on Monday night... I bet Cincy before that game started! This is the biggest "perception" mismatch that will take place in the NFL this season...
    • 3) How (or why) would I give you "proof" that someone else thinks the line should be Cincy (-7)???
    • 4) What part of your brain has told you that I should HAVE TO provide proof of such a thing?
    • 5) I can provide "proof" that Pure Points thinks the correct line is Cincy (-4.5)... so why is it such a monstrous stretch to say it should be another 2 points on top of that?
    • 6) If you think the correct line on this game is anywhere between Cincy (-2.5) and NE (-2.5), you shouldn't be betting it, since that falls too close to margin of error. I only bet on games where the line is off by 3.5 points or more... so if I didn't think the line should be (AT LEAST) Cincy (-3.5), I wouldn't even be discussing it!
    • 7) You have issues, and you should have them addressed by a trained professional!


    For the last time... make your bets!  I've made mine, and I will return to this thread after the game... while you, will not!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoldBets:

    Sure Cincy could win by 4000 points, but making your true line -7 is a huge overreaction. Give me proof of anyone in the world that would have come up with that line and I might soften my stance.


    • 1) I don't give a flying f&^* if you soften your stance... you're a babbling idiot!
    • 2) My line is not based on what happened on Monday night... I bet Cincy before that game started! This is the biggest "perception" mismatch that will take place in the NFL this season...
    • 3) How (or why) would I give you "proof" that someone else thinks the line should be Cincy (-7)???
    • 4) What part of your brain has told you that I should HAVE TO provide proof of such a thing?
    • 5) I can provide "proof" that Pure Points thinks the correct line is Cincy (-4.5)... so why is it such a monstrous stretch to say it should be another 2 points on top of that?
    • 6) If you think the correct line on this game is anywhere between Cincy (-2.5) and NE (-2.5), you shouldn't be betting it, since that falls too close to margin of error. I only bet on games where the line is off by 3.5 points or more... so if I didn't think the line should be (AT LEAST) Cincy (-3.5), I wouldn't even be discussing it!
    • 7) You have issues, and you should have them addressed by a trained professional!


    For the last time... make your bets!  I've made mine, and I will return to this thread after the game... while you, will not!
     
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2014 - 1:19 PM ET #54

    Can I book you?
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2014 - 1:23 PM ET #55

    Not that I need the money, but you come off as a cashcow.
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    Not that I need the money, but you come off as a cashcow.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2014 - 1:28 PM ET #56

    You said -7 Bengals...now it is -6.5.....make up your mind for once. Anyone with basic knowledge in the betting world knows how big of a difference there is between those two numbers.
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    You said -7 Bengals...now it is -6.5.....make up your mind for once. Anyone with basic knowledge in the betting world knows how big of a difference there is between those two numbers.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2014 - 1:33 PM ET #57

    The only thing that worries me here is the Bengals are due to lose. Marvin Lewis is a terrible head coach. And Andy Dalton can't score in the red zone. Plus, this is pretty much a must win for the Pats. The Pats have the number 1 secondary in the NFL right now. I don't trust Andy Dalton.

    On the other side, the Pats offensive line can't get much worse. The Bengals are good at rushing the passer, & Tom Brady has played terrible. Pats will have to have a lot of success running the football to win this game. New England is one team I can never get right. Bet against them and they score 30+...bet on them & they can't score.

    Intriguing Sunday Night matchup nonetheless.
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    The only thing that worries me here is the Bengals are due to lose. Marvin Lewis is a terrible head coach. And Andy Dalton can't score in the red zone. Plus, this is pretty much a must win for the Pats. The Pats have the number 1 secondary in the NFL right now. I don't trust Andy Dalton.

    On the other side, the Pats offensive line can't get much worse. The Bengals are good at rushing the passer, & Tom Brady has played terrible. Pats will have to have a lot of success running the football to win this game. New England is one team I can never get right. Bet against them and they score 30+...bet on them & they can't score.

    Intriguing Sunday Night matchup nonetheless.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2014 - 2:29 PM ET #58

    Quote Originally Posted by BoldBets:

    You said -7 Bengals...now it is -6.5.....make up your mind for once. Anyone with basic knowledge in the betting world knows how big of a difference there is between those two numbers.


    You belong in a f*&%ing looney bin, if you aren't already there...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoldBets:

    You said -7 Bengals...now it is -6.5.....make up your mind for once. Anyone with basic knowledge in the betting world knows how big of a difference there is between those two numbers.


    You belong in a f*&%ing looney bin, if you aren't already there...

     
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2014 - 2:42 PM ET #59

    You can't defend anything you have said numbers wise because most of it has no merit, so you attack the person.....I get it. You have backtracked on almost everything you have posted in this thread. So who is the real loon?
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    You can't defend anything you have said numbers wise because most of it has no merit, so you attack the person.....I get it. You have backtracked on almost everything you have posted in this thread. So who is the real loon?
     
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2014 - 2:50 PM ET #60

    Quote Originally Posted by BoldBets:

    You can't defend anything you have said numbers wise because most of it has no merit, so you attack the person.....I get it. You have backtracked on almost everything you have posted in this thread. So who is the real loon?



    I haven't backtracked on anything from the first post! Not sure if you are delusional or just trying to flame me, but either way, it's pretty sad... 

    Cincy by 7 or more! Don't know how I can make it any clearer than that... I don't care how many points you give NE for HF advantage, and I don't care if I'm the only person on the face of the earth who thinks they should be favored by 7... 

    If you think I am a terrible capper, then by all means... fade me at your nearest local bookie!

    There is no back-tracking here... no mincing words, no hedging my bets! Only one of us is hesitant to take a stand on this game, and that is you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoldBets:

    You can't defend anything you have said numbers wise because most of it has no merit, so you attack the person.....I get it. You have backtracked on almost everything you have posted in this thread. So who is the real loon?



    I haven't backtracked on anything from the first post! Not sure if you are delusional or just trying to flame me, but either way, it's pretty sad... 

    Cincy by 7 or more! Don't know how I can make it any clearer than that... I don't care how many points you give NE for HF advantage, and I don't care if I'm the only person on the face of the earth who thinks they should be favored by 7... 

    If you think I am a terrible capper, then by all means... fade me at your nearest local bookie!

    There is no back-tracking here... no mincing words, no hedging my bets! Only one of us is hesitant to take a stand on this game, and that is you!
     
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2014 - 2:51 PM ET #61

    [Quote: Originally Posted by Shark_Attack]

    5) I can provide "proof" that Pure Points thinks the correct line is Cincy (-4.5)... so why is it such a monstrous stretch to say it should be another 2 points on top of that?

    6) 
    If you think the correct line on this game is anywhere between Cincy (-2.5) and NE (-2.5), you shouldn't be betting it, since that falls too close to margin of error. I only bet on games where the line is off by 3.5 points or more... so if I didn't think the line should be (AT LEAST) Cincy (-3.5), I wouldn't even be discussing it!


    So which one is it? One point gives Cincy -6.5, and the other Cincy -7.
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    [Quote: Originally Posted by Shark_Attack]

    5) I can provide "proof" that Pure Points thinks the correct line is Cincy (-4.5)... so why is it such a monstrous stretch to say it should be another 2 points on top of that?

    6) 
    If you think the correct line on this game is anywhere between Cincy (-2.5) and NE (-2.5), you shouldn't be betting it, since that falls too close to margin of error. I only bet on games where the line is off by 3.5 points or more... so if I didn't think the line should be (AT LEAST) Cincy (-3.5), I wouldn't even be discussing it!


    So which one is it? One point gives Cincy -6.5, and the other Cincy -7.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2014 - 2:53 PM ET #62

    No I am not delusional. Everything you have backtracked on has been re-posted.
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    No I am not delusional. Everything you have backtracked on has been re-posted.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2014 - 3:09 PM ET #63

    So let me see if I am following you correctly:

    The actual line on this game is a Pick'em. I have said in no uncertain terms that it is off by a TD. In one post that you have taken out of context, in which I was trying to appease your demand for "PROOF" that someone else agrees with me, I pointed out the Pure Points line as being 2 points different, but because I didn't say 2.5 points, that means I am now "back-tracking"?

    Like I said... you belong in a looney bin!
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    So let me see if I am following you correctly:

    The actual line on this game is a Pick'em. I have said in no uncertain terms that it is off by a TD. In one post that you have taken out of context, in which I was trying to appease your demand for "PROOF" that someone else agrees with me, I pointed out the Pure Points line as being 2 points different, but because I didn't say 2.5 points, that means I am now "back-tracking"?

    Like I said... you belong in a looney bin!
     
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    Posted: Oct. 1, 2014 - 3:27 PM ET #64

    I have proved you wrong on so many levels... yet, you continue to give me fodder to work with. I have exposed your number on this game and your approach to HFA enough to call it a day.

    Keep up the second rate work!
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    I have proved you wrong on so many levels... yet, you continue to give me fodder to work with. I have exposed your number on this game and your approach to HFA enough to call it a day.

    Keep up the second rate work!
     
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    Posted: Oct. 2, 2014 - 2:27 AM ET #65

    Please elaborate on what exactly you have "exposed!"

    I have read your other posts... I've read your own blog, written two years ago, in which you, yourself, claim that all NFL teams get 3 points for HFA... 

    I said from the first page to the last page, that Cincy should be favored by a TD in this game, and you have said from the first page to the last page... ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about this game!

    This is my thread... but show me a SINGLE POST you have ever made on Covers that even ATTEMPTS to contribute anything to this forum!

    Link it! One post!
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    Please elaborate on what exactly you have "exposed!"

    I have read your other posts... I've read your own blog, written two years ago, in which you, yourself, claim that all NFL teams get 3 points for HFA... 

    I said from the first page to the last page, that Cincy should be favored by a TD in this game, and you have said from the first page to the last page... ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about this game!

    This is my thread... but show me a SINGLE POST you have ever made on Covers that even ATTEMPTS to contribute anything to this forum!

    Link it! One post!
     
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    Posted: Oct. 2, 2014 - 2:42 AM ET #66

    cincy wins by 3-6
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    Posted: Oct. 2, 2014 - 2:56 AM ET #67

    Quote Originally Posted by Shark_Attack:

    But it isn't!  This team is terrible, and the Bengals will eat them for dinner!  Bengals should be favored by a TD in this game, but people (a) still put way too much confidence in B&B, and (b) don't give enough credit to the Bengals, who are arguably the best team in the AFC this year...

    Pats are not even a playoff team, and the Bengals are the cream-of-the-crop in their conference... take the money and run!
     Have you ever watched a football game? Pats will win their division as they have 11 out of last 12 seasons or whatever it is. Great overreaction to a slow start for the Patriots though, keep up the good work.....what a joke you entire analysis and thread is. Not saying the Bengals can't win but to say the Patriots should be a 7 point dog at home and to state they aren't a playoff team in a conference where they won their division for almost an entire decade is idiotic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shark_Attack:

    But it isn't!  This team is terrible, and the Bengals will eat them for dinner!  Bengals should be favored by a TD in this game, but people (a) still put way too much confidence in B&B, and (b) don't give enough credit to the Bengals, who are arguably the best team in the AFC this year...

    Pats are not even a playoff team, and the Bengals are the cream-of-the-crop in their conference... take the money and run!
     Have you ever watched a football game? Pats will win their division as they have 11 out of last 12 seasons or whatever it is. Great overreaction to a slow start for the Patriots though, keep up the good work.....what a joke you entire analysis and thread is. Not saying the Bengals can't win but to say the Patriots should be a 7 point dog at home and to state they aren't a playoff team in a conference where they won their division for almost an entire decade is idiotic.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 2, 2014 - 3:28 AM ET #68

    Quote Originally Posted by chaloots:

     Have you ever watched a football game? Pats will win their division as they have 11 out of last 12 seasons or whatever it is.  


    Been watching football for more than 35 years, and I STAKE MY COVERS ACCOUNT on the following prediction:

    New England will not finish the season better than 8-8!


    It's all well and good for you to post "rolling heads," but here is your end of the wager... SHOW UP SUNDAY NIGHT and take your medicine, as well as taking your medicine at the end of the regular season when the Pats are sitting at 8-8, or MUCH MORE LIKELY... sub-.500!

    It wouldn't be a complete shock if the Pats win this division, because it is probably the worst division in football, and might not have any teams finish 8-8... but I assure you, the Pats will NOT finish the year better than .500...

    Let's compare how much I know about football to how much you know about football!


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    Quote Originally Posted by chaloots:

     Have you ever watched a football game? Pats will win their division as they have 11 out of last 12 seasons or whatever it is.  


    Been watching football for more than 35 years, and I STAKE MY COVERS ACCOUNT on the following prediction:

    New England will not finish the season better than 8-8!


    It's all well and good for you to post "rolling heads," but here is your end of the wager... SHOW UP SUNDAY NIGHT and take your medicine, as well as taking your medicine at the end of the regular season when the Pats are sitting at 8-8, or MUCH MORE LIKELY... sub-.500!

    It wouldn't be a complete shock if the Pats win this division, because it is probably the worst division in football, and might not have any teams finish 8-8... but I assure you, the Pats will NOT finish the year better than .500...

    Let's compare how much I know about football to how much you know about football!


     
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    Posted: Oct. 2, 2014 - 3:34 AM ET #69

    If the Pats can manage to win the division with an 8-8 or 7-9 record, I will be the first one celebrating, because no matter who they play, fading them will be the single easiest winner of the NFL season!
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    If the Pats can manage to win the division with an 8-8 or 7-9 record, I will be the first one celebrating, because no matter who they play, fading them will be the single easiest winner of the NFL season!
     
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    Posted: Oct. 2, 2014 - 4:26 AM ET #70

    Quote Originally Posted by Shark_Attack:

    If the Pats can manage to win the division with an 8-8 or 7-9 record, I will be the first one celebrating, because no matter who they play, fading them will be the single easiest winner of the NFL season!

    I have to agree with Sharky & Wise here

    ---> Oak-Ne game exposed the pats,, ---> and to add salt to a wound they get blown out in KC... 

    The true line would be Cin -7 at least... 

    If anything,, Cincy has been playing the same level of football since last year... Also very healthy team...

    NE, has lost Key players,, locked up, banged up or traded,, They are just not the same team ... Their O line is old and tired...

    Last year Cin was throwing 6-7 point spreads at IND,,BAL,, "Elite teams" ,, and now against an old team... If somehow ne pulls this through be sure to know that the PUBLIC is ON CINCY which i dont think the heart would allow,, Dalton isnt a primetime qb,, but can shred any Team in the AFC and has been.... 

    And to top that off,,, i dont think the public will learn from the last two games because vegas certaintly doesnt think so with these soft lines (IM HOPING) this is the gift...  Eventhough i have played the Take brady after an SU Loss the following game for a long time... 

    This year i think NE will tank many games just like OP says,, So they can get some descent drafts and rebuild the following.... I dont think pulling a backup qb and sending them to the superbowl would sit right under all this scrutiny lately...  Eventhough i know the elite Rookie qbs are rocking these vets... The league will suck $$$ as much as they can out of Older vets before they let them go... But atleast Brady wont end up in Oakland that's for sure... 




     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shark_Attack:

    If the Pats can manage to win the division with an 8-8 or 7-9 record, I will be the first one celebrating, because no matter who they play, fading them will be the single easiest winner of the NFL season!

    I have to agree with Sharky & Wise here

    ---> Oak-Ne game exposed the pats,, ---> and to add salt to a wound they get blown out in KC... 

    The true line would be Cin -7 at least... 

    If anything,, Cincy has been playing the same level of football since last year... Also very healthy team...

    NE, has lost Key players,, locked up, banged up or traded,, They are just not the same team ... Their O line is old and tired...

    Last year Cin was throwing 6-7 point spreads at IND,,BAL,, "Elite teams" ,, and now against an old team... If somehow ne pulls this through be sure to know that the PUBLIC is ON CINCY which i dont think the heart would allow,, Dalton isnt a primetime qb,, but can shred any Team in the AFC and has been.... 

    And to top that off,,, i dont think the public will learn from the last two games because vegas certaintly doesnt think so with these soft lines (IM HOPING) this is the gift...  Eventhough i have played the Take brady after an SU Loss the following game for a long time... 

    This year i think NE will tank many games just like OP says,, So they can get some descent drafts and rebuild the following.... I dont think pulling a backup qb and sending them to the superbowl would sit right under all this scrutiny lately...  Eventhough i know the elite Rookie qbs are rocking these vets... The league will suck $$$ as much as they can out of Older vets before they let them go... But atleast Brady wont end up in Oakland that's for sure... 




     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 2, 2014 - 9:47 AM ET #71

    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny-Utah:


    You're half right.

    .5 is a huge difference when placing actual wagers, because it is a key number.

    But here he is talking about power rankings and true projections, where betting strategy is a separate discussion.

    You should already know that.


    Exactly!  If I had started out by saying I bet Cincy (-7) and then said I bet Cincy (-6.5), that would be "back-tracking"... but we are talking about a ballpark projection of what the true line on this game should be... and whether it's 6.5 or 7, if I am correct, then any bet on Cincy is gonna be a winner!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny-Utah:


    You're half right.

    .5 is a huge difference when placing actual wagers, because it is a key number.

    But here he is talking about power rankings and true projections, where betting strategy is a separate discussion.

    You should already know that.


    Exactly!  If I had started out by saying I bet Cincy (-7) and then said I bet Cincy (-6.5), that would be "back-tracking"... but we are talking about a ballpark projection of what the true line on this game should be... and whether it's 6.5 or 7, if I am correct, then any bet on Cincy is gonna be a winner!
     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2014 - 11:33 PM ET #72

    Quote Originally Posted by chaloots:

     Have you ever watched a football game? Pats will win their division as they have 11 out of last 12 seasons or whatever it is. Great overreaction to a slow start for the Patriots though, keep up the good work.....what a joke you entire analysis and thread is. Not saying the Bengals can't win but to say the Patriots should be a 7 point dog at home and to state they aren't a playoff team in a conference where they won their division for almost an entire decade is idiotic.
    You asked Patriots backers to come back to the thread, here I am. Where you at ?  Keep doubting BB and TB and give them points at home
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    Quote Originally Posted by chaloots:

     Have you ever watched a football game? Pats will win their division as they have 11 out of last 12 seasons or whatever it is. Great overreaction to a slow start for the Patriots though, keep up the good work.....what a joke you entire analysis and thread is. Not saying the Bengals can't win but to say the Patriots should be a 7 point dog at home and to state they aren't a playoff team in a conference where they won their division for almost an entire decade is idiotic.
    You asked Patriots backers to come back to the thread, here I am. Where you at ?  Keep doubting BB and TB and give them points at home
     
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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2014 - 12:16 AM ET #73

    Shark pls delete your account so you stop spreading your poison 
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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2014 - 12:39 AM ET #74

    Dude, where you at?  I'll take some of your bankroll at 8-8 on the pats.  They win 10 or 11 in that crappy division....Thanks man.......What an idiot you are to say they are 7 points worse than the bungles at home.....Please keep posting so we can fade you,....
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    Dude, where you at?  I'll take some of your bankroll at 8-8 on the pats.  They win 10 or 11 in that crappy division....Thanks man.......What an idiot you are to say they are 7 points worse than the bungles at home.....Please keep posting so we can fade you,....
     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 6, 2014 - 12:45 AM ET #75

    Quote Originally Posted by Shark_Attack:



    I haven't back-tracked on Jacksh!t... you're an idiot, and Cooler is right!

    Cincy (-7) is the CORRECT line on this game!

    Come back after NE gets embarrassed!
    I am still here waiting, where you at coward?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shark_Attack:



    I haven't back-tracked on Jacksh!t... you're an idiot, and Cooler is right!

    Cincy (-7) is the CORRECT line on this game!

    Come back after NE gets embarrassed!
    I am still here waiting, where you at coward?
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