Purdy

@Raiders22

Even though me and the Purdy fan have been going back and forth about Purdy, I don't have any issues with the QB. I just don't think he's elite. No matter how much the Purdy fan is having a mild stroke in front of his computer.

He's a good qb. But there are good qbs every decade. He's been consistent as well. And that's great for San Francisco. But I do think he is part of a good system that helps him.

Shanahan's system is a good fit for him. Mac Jones thrives in it as well.

If Shanahan was in Detroit with those offensive pieces, they would be unstoppable.

@jdmoney14

 Yessir. 

I also think the good teams, that are evenly balanced can win in various ways -- with offense or defense, running if it is working and passing if it is working.

I feel the same about QBs.  The good ones can beat you multiple ways. Dink and dunk, shots downfield, against various schemes.  

Nowadays, these QBs have the extra ability for clutch runs -- like Mahomes, Hurts, or Burrow.  

I think Purdy is like this.  he can beat you using what you give him and he has the added run feature.

I think if he continues to perform at this level for another year, or so, you will come around. 

Maybe, if he makes a deep run this year. 

Imagine if he had Aiyuk still. 

Lol im not having a stroke, im laughing at what a fool you are.  If mac Jones can duplicate purdy, why did their common opponent this year mac put up 16 and needed a last second fg and brock drop 40+ while taking his foot off the gas all 4th qtr?  You are a total clown and will do anything to move the goalposts.  

Real shame about aiyuk.  Offense is rolling tho, its gonna come down to if the defense can make stops or not.  Saturday gonna be huge, if they can get that 1 seed....

I understand.  But look at the deeper metrics from Jones and Purdy and you can see it is more than just the system.

Yes, Shanahan is a very good coach.  That helps.  But folks will always argue about is it the coach or the QB.

To me that is why coaches like Parcells and Gibss were so great -- they did it with different QBs and with somewhat various styles to fit them.

However, I think Purdy is better than 'good'.  

I think there are levels to it.

Maybe 'all-time great', 'elite', 'great', 'good', 'decent', etc.

I feel if you consistently win and have great stats then you have to be better than simply 'good'.

Maybe definitions are not univocal on this.

That is why I always ask folks who would you really take over them right now when talking about these things with QBs.

I am not sure you can go far past the 3-4-5 we take about before taking Purdy.

We are in a time where we have some really, really great QB play in a time when offenses are so advanced.  He is one of the guys performed at a top level.

Another way I always like to gauge it is in close games (a +/-8 point game) in the 2nd half of games. Purdy does very well in these situations.

Anyone can pile up the numbers when you are blowing out a team.

And as expected more insults. Its clear I am speaking to a child. Listen, we get it. Your a 49ers fan and you love your QB. Good for you. But he's not elite. Sorry for putting facts on the table. He hasn't done enough yet. But the good thing for you is he is young and he has time. 

I look forward to your next rant.

@jdmoney14

 I did not know Aiyuk was a knucklehead.  Maybe most WRs are.  But I never heard much bad about him.  But lately he seems out of it.

But to me he was on the way to be an all-time great.

Excellent footwork, route-running, after the catch moves, great hands.  I always hate when injuries get someone early like that.

Okay let me ask you this. Who are you building a team around? Purdy or Burrow or Allen or Lamar? And rank them 1-4

@undermysac

 Superior to Jordan Love. Purdy is a top 7 QB, Love 18th-20th.

@AJ86

 I can't really rank them this year. QB play has been so inconsistent really. Lamar, Allen, Burrow have all been average.

I still am interested in your take on this.  

QB play has been, more or less, better every year.  I do no think this year is different.  Guys throw far fewer picks than before, score more, have higher completion percentage, etc. than in years past.

Yes, those 3 guys have been hurt or nagged up all year -- I get that.

But really am interested in who you put between Mahomes, Burrow, Jackson, Allen, Stafford and Purdy.  There are some one-year standouts like Maye.  But are you really taking him or Williams because of potential upside.

It is just hard not to take Prescott.  But do you really want Love, Goff, Darnold, or either of the Jones' etc. before Purdy.

It is very dicey I think not to put him very close to the top 2-3-4 if not already in it.

I call it how I see it.  Its not that serious tho, dont get your panties in a bunch.  You're not putting "facts on the table" lol.  Raiders and myself are putting facts, and you despute them with bs excuses and goalpost moving lol.  You keep using the word elite btw, I never once said elite.  Please  try to quote it in this thread.  I said "very good" and "stud"

@AJ86

 Okay let me ask you this. Who are you building a team around? Purdy or Burrow or Allen or Lamar? And rank them 1-4

Based on where they are in their careers I think you can build a team around them all, assuming no injuries.

Based on work as a whole up to this point: Burrow, Jackson, Allen, Purdy.

Based on my 'perception' of the trajectory going forward: Burrow, Purdy, Allen, Jackson.

I think at his best Burrow is an all-time great and his style leads to a few more great years.

I think Jackson at his peak was very elite but I question his ability to be stymied in the clutch when forced to throw to certain spots in the playoffs.  I never liked him early because I thought he was never going to develop into a great passer -- he did.

The same issue with Allen.  At his best he was not as good as Jackson at his best but close.  The issues going forward are now the same with him and Jackson.

Now if Purdy and Burrow can neither stay healthy going forward it is hard to say.

Going forward I might actually take Purdy because he has longer to play and the rest have started showing signs of wear.

But at their peaks -- Purdy is fourth.

Yea great talent, but seems to have an attitude problem.   He was in shannys doghouse early in his career, and their was a lot of speculation he was immature.   He also was very childish with his holdout and trade demands with cryptic social media posts and stuff like that.  Too bad.  Maybe he will learn the hard way, that the grass isnt always greener.  Bet deebo isn't loving dc so much right about now

Kiddo, you have been losing your mind the past couple of hours. You will learn with age to keep a calm head.

@jdmoney14

 I do not really knock what he is saying without using the facts, 'numbers'.

Because like I said some folks simply prefer the 'eye-test'.

That is fine.  You should know a good or great QB when you see them play based on the decisions they make and how they move the team.

But if you are not using numbers you have to give me something 'bad' or 'not so great' that you are seeing from him that you do not see with the others.

To me the numbers do NOT show it and the eye-test does NOT show it.

Never knew all of this.

Just admired the talent 

I also preferred him over Deebo -- crisper and better without the ball. 

Its hard to saw. Herbert and Lawrence are forgotten QB's who have the potential to be solid. This year the QB play has been underwhelming. Look at Baker for instance. First 6 weeks he was an MVP "candidate". Now people want him cut from the roster.

You're projecting lol.  This an online forum, its not that serious.   If I call you a clown or a bozo, that doesn't mean im losing my mind haha.  

Hey whatever you say there sport. We get it. You love your 49ers. But telling people off because they don't agree with you is not going to help you in life. But its all good, as you mature you will learn these life lessons. Good luck with it!

Lol you're a little sensitive huh?  When exactly did I tell you off?  I used the term clown and bozo, hardly "telling off" .  Youre calling out age, maybe you're too old to be on online forums if you're that sensitive lol.  I have nothing personally against you and hope you make money in your gambling endeavors.   Its not that serious, dude

@AJ86

 Its hard to saw. Herbert and Lawrence are forgotten QB's who have the potential to be solid. This year the QB play has been underwhelming. Look at Baker for instance. First 6 weeks he was an MVP "candidate". Now people want him cut from the roster.

Yes, I have been a fan of Herbert for a while.  Lawrence not so much.

I have written in past years about how I felt people overrated Mayfield and I gave the numbers to back it up.  He is too streaky.

I think Herbert is the only oe that is close to the elite group.  

I like them all and they can all play very good for a time.  I just feel Herbert is the best of those three.

@Raiders22

 One thing is apparent for sure.

Both Baker Mayfield and Trevor Lawrence are really big fans of Liam Coen.

Stafford must not be elite, he can’t beat the falcons or the panthers.  Elite qbs aren’t allowed to have bad games right?  Those are the rules right?  Jokes aside though stafford lost the mvp this weekend and maye took it