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    Splooge
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    Posted: Jan. 17, 2013 - 11:31 PM ET #51

    Quote Originally Posted by usikbasterd:

     

    Gronks been gone like half this season...and they still kill the likes of houston..what u talkin bout

    wtf r u talking about he's been active for 11 of 16 reg season games?? and w/ out him they beat the Jets/Jags and Miami in a addition to the frauds aka Houston Texans at home twice which we can now clearly see are a major match up advantage NE took advantage of since Houst couldnt get off their heavy play action reliant offense which failed twice bigtime....simply outcoached....loved Pats last week over Houston and crushed em....it's a different week. 

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    Gronks been gone like half this season...and they still kill the likes of houston..what u talkin bout

    wtf r u talking about he's been active for 11 of 16 reg season games?? and w/ out him they beat the Jets/Jags and Miami in a addition to the frauds aka Houston Texans at home twice which we can now clearly see are a major match up advantage NE took advantage of since Houst couldnt get off their heavy play action reliant offense which failed twice bigtime....simply outcoached....loved Pats last week over Houston and crushed em....it's a different week. 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2013 - 12:04 AM ET #52

    Weather can sometimes be an equalizer. I don't believe in rain or snow having a huge effect on a game unless it's heavy but wind matters.

    They've been forecasting 20mph winds for Foxboro all week with a cold front coming in Sunday. You'd think it might be an equalizer with two passing teams but the Pats will dink and dunk anyway. The Ravens make headway when they throw it deep. Thinking back to the last two games almost all of their impact plays have been Flacco heaves down the right side of the field. I know he throws a hard ball but some wind may mess that up.The Ravens are 1-5-1 ATS this year and averaging 17.9 PPG (throwing out the last CIN game) when Flacco does not complete 4 or more passes of 20+ yards in a game.
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    Weather can sometimes be an equalizer. I don't believe in rain or snow having a huge effect on a game unless it's heavy but wind matters.

    They've been forecasting 20mph winds for Foxboro all week with a cold front coming in Sunday. You'd think it might be an equalizer with two passing teams but the Pats will dink and dunk anyway. The Ravens make headway when they throw it deep. Thinking back to the last two games almost all of their impact plays have been Flacco heaves down the right side of the field. I know he throws a hard ball but some wind may mess that up.The Ravens are 1-5-1 ATS this year and averaging 17.9 PPG (throwing out the last CIN game) when Flacco does not complete 4 or more passes of 20+ yards in a game.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2013 - 12:43 AM ET #53

    Quote Originally Posted by BigNiner:

    I actually didn't think they played well at all. They gave up a pick 6, got a gift muffed punt at that Green Bay 10, and gave up a ton of yardage to Rodgers through the air. I actually think they a below average game, but people's only memory was of Kaeprnick running wild. The reason I like San Fran this week, is not because of how great they looked last week, its that they won comfortably last week, in spite of a poor defensive effort. I don't think that is going to happen two weeks in a row.


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    I actually didn't think they played well at all. They gave up a pick 6, got a gift muffed punt at that Green Bay 10, and gave up a ton of yardage to Rodgers through the air. I actually think they a below average game, but people's only memory was of Kaeprnick running wild. The reason I like San Fran this week, is not because of how great they looked last week, its that they won comfortably last week, in spite of a poor defensive effort. I don't think that is going to happen two weeks in a row.


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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2013 - 2:28 AM ET #54

    Agree with your thoughts on the Niner game Mac...I mean statistically they are far and away the better team. But you are paying a premium to back them right now. I will likely be teasing to +3.5 also...I still lean Niners ATS but wouldn't be surprised if they score a garbage time TD to  the spread.


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    Agree with your thoughts on the Niner game Mac...I mean statistically they are far and away the better team. But you are paying a premium to back them right now. I will likely be teasing to +3.5 also...I still lean Niners ATS but wouldn't be surprised if they score a garbage time TD to  the spread.


     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2013 - 2:28 AM ET #55

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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2013 - 11:23 PM ET #56

    [Quote: Originally Posted by andarmac99] Weather can sometimes be an equalizer. I don't believe in rain or snow having a huge effect on a game unless it's heavy but wind matters.

    They've been forecasting 20mph winds for Foxboro all week with a cold front coming in Sunday. You'd think it might be an equalizer with two passing teams but the Pats will dink and dunk anyway. The Ravens make headway when they throw it deep. Thinking back to the last two games almost all of their impact plays have been Flacco heaves down the right side of the field. I know he throws a hard ball but some wind may mess that up.The Ravens are 1-5-1 ATS this year and averaging 17.9 PPG (throwing out the last CIN game) when Flacco does not complete 4 or more passes of 20+ yards in a game.
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    I'll take Flacco's arm strength in wind as a major advantage if winds are up.. he just proved in sub zero conditions his ability to wing it w/ his gigantic hands and cannon strength arm,   gotta believe Pats 27th ranked soft d vs pass yielding 272 yds per against will allow Flacco just a couple big plays and that's all they will need to easily cover this game if not easily win it having the QB edge over and over past several. Flacco is now the dominant QB in the matchup and outside of a dropped pas and missed 32yd fg spells the difference of Baltimore completely dominating a once unbeatble Pats team that is now just a mere shell of themselves especially w/ out Gronkowski.  They r so beatable in the big game....9 pts r you kidding me!!!!!!  Ravens and 9ers for fun....if Ravens don't get their just do at least it makes for a better SB matchup for the casual fan but not me Ravens /9ers r the best 2 teams left by a long shot

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    [Quote: Originally Posted by andarmac99] Weather can sometimes be an equalizer. I don't believe in rain or snow having a huge effect on a game unless it's heavy but wind matters.

    They've been forecasting 20mph winds for Foxboro all week with a cold front coming in Sunday. You'd think it might be an equalizer with two passing teams but the Pats will dink and dunk anyway. The Ravens make headway when they throw it deep. Thinking back to the last two games almost all of their impact plays have been Flacco heaves down the right side of the field. I know he throws a hard ball but some wind may mess that up.The Ravens are 1-5-1 ATS this year and averaging 17.9 PPG (throwing out the last CIN game) when Flacco does not complete 4 or more passes of 20+ yards in a game.
    [/Quote

    I'll take Flacco's arm strength in wind as a major advantage if winds are up.. he just proved in sub zero conditions his ability to wing it w/ his gigantic hands and cannon strength arm,   gotta believe Pats 27th ranked soft d vs pass yielding 272 yds per against will allow Flacco just a couple big plays and that's all they will need to easily cover this game if not easily win it having the QB edge over and over past several. Flacco is now the dominant QB in the matchup and outside of a dropped pas and missed 32yd fg spells the difference of Baltimore completely dominating a once unbeatble Pats team that is now just a mere shell of themselves especially w/ out Gronkowski.  They r so beatable in the big game....9 pts r you kidding me!!!!!!  Ravens and 9ers for fun....if Ravens don't get their just do at least it makes for a better SB matchup for the casual fan but not me Ravens /9ers r the best 2 teams left by a long shot

     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2013 - 11:32 PM ET #57

    Quote Originally Posted by andarmac99:

    Again, I still like the play but the bottom line is anyone betting SF in any capacity is buying them at a skyhigh price and that IMO is the squarest thing anyone can do. Quite frankly anyone (myself included) that bets on San Francisco this weekend deserves to lose even if people feel the matchup is overwhelmingly in favor of SF, which I believe it is.

    But sometimes an occasion arises (such as an NFC Championship game) where you can make exceptions and buy high.



    What a shocker, go ahead fade SF again, you want to take the points so bad u could taste it. Andy you were on the PACK last week and wrote a hell of a write up on why GB would win and this and that and they wiped the floor with that pick and GB.. Tom Brady in Foxboro, Rodgers in GB and at home, Drew Brees at the superdome.. All niner wins.. And now suddenly in the biggest game of the year the lose to a qb called Matty fcking ice ? and coach mike smith and the falcons. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by andarmac99:

    Again, I still like the play but the bottom line is anyone betting SF in any capacity is buying them at a skyhigh price and that IMO is the squarest thing anyone can do. Quite frankly anyone (myself included) that bets on San Francisco this weekend deserves to lose even if people feel the matchup is overwhelmingly in favor of SF, which I believe it is.

    But sometimes an occasion arises (such as an NFC Championship game) where you can make exceptions and buy high.



    What a shocker, go ahead fade SF again, you want to take the points so bad u could taste it. Andy you were on the PACK last week and wrote a hell of a write up on why GB would win and this and that and they wiped the floor with that pick and GB.. Tom Brady in Foxboro, Rodgers in GB and at home, Drew Brees at the superdome.. All niner wins.. And now suddenly in the biggest game of the year the lose to a qb called Matty fcking ice ? and coach mike smith and the falcons. 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2013 - 11:33 PM ET #58

    Andermac,

    Thought you'd get a kick out of this. That stat you mentioned last week favoring the Ravens (bye week playoff teams on long winning streaks) actually has an interesting angle with it. In games the underdog managed to win SU their 0-4 SU and ATS in the Championship game!! Could it maybe be those underdogs can't put up the same effort in the next game off such a great win?? I kind of think so. 
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    Andermac,

    Thought you'd get a kick out of this. That stat you mentioned last week favoring the Ravens (bye week playoff teams on long winning streaks) actually has an interesting angle with it. In games the underdog managed to win SU their 0-4 SU and ATS in the Championship game!! Could it maybe be those underdogs can't put up the same effort in the next game off such a great win?? I kind of think so. 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 18, 2013 - 11:49 PM ET #59

    Quote Originally Posted by Splooge:

    Quote Originally Posted by andarmac99:

    Weather can sometimes be an equalizer. I don't believe in rain or snow having a huge effect on a game unless it's heavy but wind matters.

    They've been forecasting 20mph winds for Foxboro all week with a cold front coming in Sunday. You'd think it might be an equalizer with two passing teams but the Pats will dink and dunk anyway. The Ravens make headway when they throw it deep. Thinking back to the last two games almost all of their impact plays have been Flacco heaves down the right side of the field. I know he throws a hard ball but some wind may mess that up.The Ravens are 1-5-1 ATS this year and averaging 17.9 PPG (throwing out the last CIN game) when Flacco does not complete 4 or more passes of 20+ yards in a game.
    [/Quote

    I'll take Flacco's arm strength in wind as a major advantage if winds are up.. he just proved in sub zero conditions his ability to wing it w/ his gigantic hands and cannon strength arm,   gotta believe Pats 27th ranked soft d vs pass yielding 272 yds per against will allow Flacco just a couple big plays and that's all they will need to easily cover this game if not easily win it having the QB edge over and over past several. Flacco is now the dominant QB in the matchup and outside of a dropped pas and missed 32yd fg spells the difference of Baltimore completely dominating a once unbeatble Pats team that is now just a mere shell of themselves especially w/ out Gronkowski.  They r so beatable in the big game....9 pts r you kidding me!!!!!!  Ravens and 9ers for fun....if Ravens don't get their just do at least it makes for a better SB matchup for the casual fan but not me Ravens /9ers r the best 2 teams left by a long shot

    This post is full of fail.

    1. Pats D as a whole has massively improved since the acquisition of Talib  and switch from soft zone to man coverage. They have given up half as many yards (413) from (915), lower average (10.3) from (15.5) and lower completion % (32) from (46) on 20+ yard passes in the 2nd half of the season. Throw that 27th ranked stat out the window. 

    2.  at QB edge.

    3. Pats have played 6 games without Gronk this year. It's a tough loss but they're offense hasn't missed a beat. What about the loss of Webb for the Ravens who played in the week 3 matchup? 

    4. Lee Evans didn't drop that pass. Sterling Moore took it away.

    This is the most balanced Pats team since their SB days. Good luck with your Baltimore bet, you'll need it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Splooge:

    Quote Originally Posted by andarmac99:

    Weather can sometimes be an equalizer. I don't believe in rain or snow having a huge effect on a game unless it's heavy but wind matters.

    They've been forecasting 20mph winds for Foxboro all week with a cold front coming in Sunday. You'd think it might be an equalizer with two passing teams but the Pats will dink and dunk anyway. The Ravens make headway when they throw it deep. Thinking back to the last two games almost all of their impact plays have been Flacco heaves down the right side of the field. I know he throws a hard ball but some wind may mess that up.The Ravens are 1-5-1 ATS this year and averaging 17.9 PPG (throwing out the last CIN game) when Flacco does not complete 4 or more passes of 20+ yards in a game.
    [/Quote

    I'll take Flacco's arm strength in wind as a major advantage if winds are up.. he just proved in sub zero conditions his ability to wing it w/ his gigantic hands and cannon strength arm,   gotta believe Pats 27th ranked soft d vs pass yielding 272 yds per against will allow Flacco just a couple big plays and that's all they will need to easily cover this game if not easily win it having the QB edge over and over past several. Flacco is now the dominant QB in the matchup and outside of a dropped pas and missed 32yd fg spells the difference of Baltimore completely dominating a once unbeatble Pats team that is now just a mere shell of themselves especially w/ out Gronkowski.  They r so beatable in the big game....9 pts r you kidding me!!!!!!  Ravens and 9ers for fun....if Ravens don't get their just do at least it makes for a better SB matchup for the casual fan but not me Ravens /9ers r the best 2 teams left by a long shot

    This post is full of fail.

    1. Pats D as a whole has massively improved since the acquisition of Talib  and switch from soft zone to man coverage. They have given up half as many yards (413) from (915), lower average (10.3) from (15.5) and lower completion % (32) from (46) on 20+ yard passes in the 2nd half of the season. Throw that 27th ranked stat out the window. 

    2.  at QB edge.

    3. Pats have played 6 games without Gronk this year. It's a tough loss but they're offense hasn't missed a beat. What about the loss of Webb for the Ravens who played in the week 3 matchup? 

    4. Lee Evans didn't drop that pass. Sterling Moore took it away.

    This is the most balanced Pats team since their SB days. Good luck with your Baltimore bet, you'll need it.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2013 - 12:33 AM ET #60

    Quote Originally Posted by ActionMagnet:


    What a shocker, go ahead fade SF again, you want to take the points so bad u could taste it. Andy you were on the PACK last week and wrote a hell of a write up on why GB would win and this and that and they wiped the floor with that pick and GB.. Tom Brady in Foxboro, Rodgers in GB and at home, Drew Brees at the superdome.. All niner wins.. And now suddenly in the biggest game of the year the lose to a qb called Matty fcking ice ? and coach mike smith and the falcons. 


    I'm on the Niners genius.

    It's mushes like you that have made my confidence in SF decrease slightly.

    Run along and create another stupid a.s.s thread about why sumo wrestlers don't play in the NFL or why FG kickers can't kick 70 yards. Some of us are trying to win actually money and talk about games/lines.



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    What a shocker, go ahead fade SF again, you want to take the points so bad u could taste it. Andy you were on the PACK last week and wrote a hell of a write up on why GB would win and this and that and they wiped the floor with that pick and GB.. Tom Brady in Foxboro, Rodgers in GB and at home, Drew Brees at the superdome.. All niner wins.. And now suddenly in the biggest game of the year the lose to a qb called Matty fcking ice ? and coach mike smith and the falcons. 


    I'm on the Niners genius.

    It's mushes like you that have made my confidence in SF decrease slightly.

    Run along and create another stupid a.s.s thread about why sumo wrestlers don't play in the NFL or why FG kickers can't kick 70 yards. Some of us are trying to win actually money and talk about games/lines.



     
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    Quote Originally Posted by James_Dean:

    Andermac,

    Thought you'd get a kick out of this. That stat you mentioned last week favoring the Ravens (bye week playoff teams on long winning streaks) actually has an interesting angle with it. In games the underdog managed to win SU their 0-4 SU and ATS in the Championship game!! Could it maybe be those underdogs can't put up the same effort in the next game off such a great win?? I kind of think so. 


    Good stuff JD. Hopefully that trend holds up or at least holds enough for the Pats to win by 3.

    Nice seeing you around.
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    Andermac,

    Thought you'd get a kick out of this. That stat you mentioned last week favoring the Ravens (bye week playoff teams on long winning streaks) actually has an interesting angle with it. In games the underdog managed to win SU their 0-4 SU and ATS in the Championship game!! Could it maybe be those underdogs can't put up the same effort in the next game off such a great win?? I kind of think so. 


    Good stuff JD. Hopefully that trend holds up or at least holds enough for the Pats to win by 3.

    Nice seeing you around.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by andarmac99:



    I'm on the Niners genius.

    It's mushes like you that have made my confidence in SF decrease slightly.

    Run along and create another stupid a.s.s thread about why sumo wrestlers don't play in the NFL or why FG kickers can't kick 70 yards. Some of us are trying to win actually money and talk about games/lines.




    Stfu man. Your behind has been fading the niners for as long as I can remember and now in order to take them you're teasing in reverse? Really??? And teasing your self about how" all NINERS money should lose" really? Then go ahead and hammer Atlanta. Punk
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    I'm on the Niners genius.

    It's mushes like you that have made my confidence in SF decrease slightly.

    Run along and create another stupid a.s.s thread about why sumo wrestlers don't play in the NFL or why FG kickers can't kick 70 yards. Some of us are trying to win actually money and talk about games/lines.




    Stfu man. Your behind has been fading the niners for as long as I can remember and now in order to take them you're teasing in reverse? Really??? And teasing your self about how" all NINERS money should lose" really? Then go ahead and hammer Atlanta. Punk
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by andarmac99:

    Again, I still like the play but the bottom line is anyone betting SF in any capacity is buying them at a skyhigh price and that IMO is the squarest thing anyone can do. Quite frankly anyone (myself included) that bets on San Francisco this weekend deserves to lose even if people feel the matchup is overwhelmingly in favor of SF, which I believe it is.

    But sometimes an occasion arises (such as an NFC Championship game) where you can make exceptions and buy high.



    What kind of a/ssh0le bets on a team and then says the bet deserves to lose and any one else on the NINERS deserve to lose. Buy out of the play and slamm Atlanta. Have some balls.
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    Again, I still like the play but the bottom line is anyone betting SF in any capacity is buying them at a skyhigh price and that IMO is the squarest thing anyone can do. Quite frankly anyone (myself included) that bets on San Francisco this weekend deserves to lose even if people feel the matchup is overwhelmingly in favor of SF, which I believe it is.

    But sometimes an occasion arises (such as an NFC Championship game) where you can make exceptions and buy high.



    What kind of a/ssh0le bets on a team and then says the bet deserves to lose and any one else on the NINERS deserve to lose. Buy out of the play and slamm Atlanta. Have some balls.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by nepatriots_12:

    This post is full of fail.

    1. Pats D as a whole has massively improved since the acquisition of Talib  and switch from soft zone to man coverage. They have given up half as many yards (413) from (915), lower average (10.3) from (15.5) and lower completion % (32) from (46) on 20+ yard passes in the 2nd half of the season. Throw that 27th ranked stat out the window. 

    2.  at QB edge.

    3. Pats have played 6 games without Gronk this year. It's a tough loss but they're offense hasn't missed a beat. What about the loss of Webb for the Ravens who played in the week 3 matchup? 

    4. Lee Evans didn't drop that pass. Sterling Moore took it away.

    This is the most balanced Pats team since their SB days. Good luck with your Baltimore bet, you'll need it.


    It's strange hearing so many Ravens backers/fans say that Evans dropped the ball like he was wide open and no one was within 15 yards of him. It was CLEARLY broken up by Moore. A solid pass breakup from a defensive back. The Cundiff kick didn't cost them the game either, people seem to forget that kick would have only forced OT. No telling what happens from that point on.

    I can't say the Pats DB's are suddenly a great group but they have to be better than last year almost by default. These are some of the DB's the Patriots had on the field on this game last season:

    Sterling Moore: While he made the play of the game he was an undrafted free agent that was cut by Oakland before signing with the Pats. 2012: He was cut twice by NE and ended up on the Cowboys depleted roster where he finished with 9 tackles.

    Antwaun Molden: Picked up before the year by the Pats upon being cut by Houston where he played sparingly in two years. 2012: Cut by the Giants in preseason did not play until he was signed by the Jags at the end of November. He finished the year with 1 tackle.

    Sergio Brown: Played safety in this game last year. Was signed as an undrafted free agent before last season. 2012: Cut by NE in preseason and picked up by the Colts where he played a handful of snaps as a backup. Recorded 11 tackles in 16 games played.

    Nate Jones: A journeyman who has bounced around the league. Before being signed as a backup at the end of November last year he had been cut by two other teams in the previous three months. 2012: Was never signed by anyone in training camp and hasn't played a snap all year.

    Julian Edelman: A WR they had playing DB because their secondary was such as abortion last year. I kid you not on the Ravens last drive in the 4th quarter last year Nate Jones and Julian Edelman each took turns trying to cover Anquan Boldin.


    It's no wonder the Pats D was such a joke last season. Look at that slew of street free agents/bums that were actually playing in the AFC Championship game. This year with Talib, Dennard, and McCourty moving to safety recently they can't help but be better. The "throw it here" Kyle Arrington will still get snaps which is a concern. Again, they aren't great but they won't be as bad as last year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nepatriots_12:

    This post is full of fail.

    1. Pats D as a whole has massively improved since the acquisition of Talib  and switch from soft zone to man coverage. They have given up half as many yards (413) from (915), lower average (10.3) from (15.5) and lower completion % (32) from (46) on 20+ yard passes in the 2nd half of the season. Throw that 27th ranked stat out the window. 

    2.  at QB edge.

    3. Pats have played 6 games without Gronk this year. It's a tough loss but they're offense hasn't missed a beat. What about the loss of Webb for the Ravens who played in the week 3 matchup? 

    4. Lee Evans didn't drop that pass. Sterling Moore took it away.

    This is the most balanced Pats team since their SB days. Good luck with your Baltimore bet, you'll need it.


    It's strange hearing so many Ravens backers/fans say that Evans dropped the ball like he was wide open and no one was within 15 yards of him. It was CLEARLY broken up by Moore. A solid pass breakup from a defensive back. The Cundiff kick didn't cost them the game either, people seem to forget that kick would have only forced OT. No telling what happens from that point on.

    I can't say the Pats DB's are suddenly a great group but they have to be better than last year almost by default. These are some of the DB's the Patriots had on the field on this game last season:

    Sterling Moore: While he made the play of the game he was an undrafted free agent that was cut by Oakland before signing with the Pats. 2012: He was cut twice by NE and ended up on the Cowboys depleted roster where he finished with 9 tackles.

    Antwaun Molden: Picked up before the year by the Pats upon being cut by Houston where he played sparingly in two years. 2012: Cut by the Giants in preseason did not play until he was signed by the Jags at the end of November. He finished the year with 1 tackle.

    Sergio Brown: Played safety in this game last year. Was signed as an undrafted free agent before last season. 2012: Cut by NE in preseason and picked up by the Colts where he played a handful of snaps as a backup. Recorded 11 tackles in 16 games played.

    Nate Jones: A journeyman who has bounced around the league. Before being signed as a backup at the end of November last year he had been cut by two other teams in the previous three months. 2012: Was never signed by anyone in training camp and hasn't played a snap all year.

    Julian Edelman: A WR they had playing DB because their secondary was such as abortion last year. I kid you not on the Ravens last drive in the 4th quarter last year Nate Jones and Julian Edelman each took turns trying to cover Anquan Boldin.


    It's no wonder the Pats D was such a joke last season. Look at that slew of street free agents/bums that were actually playing in the AFC Championship game. This year with Talib, Dennard, and McCourty moving to safety recently they can't help but be better. The "throw it here" Kyle Arrington will still get snaps which is a concern. Again, they aren't great but they won't be as bad as last year.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ActionMagnet:


    Stfu man. Your behind has been fading the niners for as long as I can remember and now in order to take them you're teasing in reverse? Really??? And teasing your self about how" all NINERS money should lose" really? Then go ahead and hammer Atlanta. Punk


    You seem to be skipping over the part where I said I still like the play. Bottom line is anyone betting San Fran is buying high. People who buy high in this business deserve to lose, it's that simple. Now sometimes it works out because the matchup overwhelmingly favors one team and may outweigh the price hike which is what I believe is the case in this game.

    Look I'm not going to get into a pissing match with you but try not to be such a fan and realize betting inflated numbers over the long run is going to burn your wallet. Also try to add something useful to the forum other than these threads which you have created in the last week:

    "Fat Boy Michael Turner say HELLO to Patrick Willis & Navarro Bowman"

    "Serious question - why aren't there any Sumo wrestlers or Asians in the NFL??"

    "All you 49ers Haters gonna be eating $HIT come Sunday OHH and BURNING ur CASH"

    "Taking alternate line NINERS - 18 to Crush ATL"

    "When the ball goes past the ENDZONE on kickoffs, that's like 70-75 yards"

    "HILARIOUS post game interviews by the Falcons coach/ players"

    "ELWAY and MANNING to star in BROKE BACK Mountain 2"

    "GB vs SF reminds me of Bruce Willis vs Ashton Kutcher"


    Jesus. No wonder this site has gone down the shi.t.ter.
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    Stfu man. Your behind has been fading the niners for as long as I can remember and now in order to take them you're teasing in reverse? Really??? And teasing your self about how" all NINERS money should lose" really? Then go ahead and hammer Atlanta. Punk


    You seem to be skipping over the part where I said I still like the play. Bottom line is anyone betting San Fran is buying high. People who buy high in this business deserve to lose, it's that simple. Now sometimes it works out because the matchup overwhelmingly favors one team and may outweigh the price hike which is what I believe is the case in this game.

    Look I'm not going to get into a pissing match with you but try not to be such a fan and realize betting inflated numbers over the long run is going to burn your wallet. Also try to add something useful to the forum other than these threads which you have created in the last week:

    "Fat Boy Michael Turner say HELLO to Patrick Willis & Navarro Bowman"

    "Serious question - why aren't there any Sumo wrestlers or Asians in the NFL??"

    "All you 49ers Haters gonna be eating $HIT come Sunday OHH and BURNING ur CASH"

    "Taking alternate line NINERS - 18 to Crush ATL"

    "When the ball goes past the ENDZONE on kickoffs, that's like 70-75 yards"

    "HILARIOUS post game interviews by the Falcons coach/ players"

    "ELWAY and MANNING to star in BROKE BACK Mountain 2"

    "GB vs SF reminds me of Bruce Willis vs Ashton Kutcher"


    Jesus. No wonder this site has gone down the shi.t.ter.
     
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    Okay Andy - 

    Goodluck 
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    Goodluck 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by andarmac99:



    It's strange hearing so many Ravens backers/fans say that Evans dropped the ball like he was wide open and no one was within 15 yards of him. It was CLEARLY broken up by Moore. A solid pass breakup from a defensive back. The Cundiff kick didn't cost them the game either, people seem to forget that kick would have only forced OT. No telling what happens from that point on.

    I can't say the Pats DB's are suddenly a great group but they have to be better than last year almost by default. These are some of the DB's the Patriots had on the field on this game last season:

    Sterling Moore: While he made the play of the game he was an undrafted free agent that was cut by Oakland before signing with the Pats. 2012: He was cut twice by NE and ended up on the Cowboys depleted roster where he finished with 9 tackles.

    Antwaun Molden: Picked up before the year by the Pats upon being cut by Houston where he played sparingly in two years. 2012: Cut by the Giants in preseason did not play until he was signed by the Jags at the end of November. He finished the year with 1 tackle.

    Sergio Brown: Played safety in this game last year. Was signed as an undrafted free agent before last season. 2012: Cut by NE in preseason and picked up by the Colts where he played a handful of snaps as a backup. Recorded 11 tackles in 16 games played.

    Nate Jones: A journeyman who has bounced around the league. Before being signed as a backup at the end of November last year he had been cut by two other teams in the previous three months. 2012: Was never signed by anyone in training camp and hasn't played a snap all year.

    Julian Edelman: A WR they had playing DB because their secondary was such as abortion last year. I kid you not on the Ravens last drive in the 4th quarter last year Nate Jones and Julian Edelman each took turns trying to cover Anquan Boldin.


    It's no wonder the Pats D was such a joke last season. Look at that slew of street free agents/bums that were actually playing in the AFC Championship game. This year with Talib, Dennard, and McCourty moving to safety recently they can't help but be better. The "throw it here" Kyle Arrington will still get snaps which is a concern. Again, they aren't great but they won't be as bad as last year.

    Completely agree Andy. Arrington is beyond brutal on the outside, but he has actually performed very well in the slot. 

    Outside: 13.2 YPP allowed and 30% success rate
    Slot: 4.4 YPP and 73% success rate

    Huge difference there. That Talib acquisition has just done so much for this team. He hasn't been excellent, but he's held his own 1v1 against opposing #1 WR's. This has allowed McCourty to move to FS where IMO he can be considered one of the elite in the league. Gregory is also a solid in the box safety. This secondary group is extremely underrated and I think they can match-up fairly well with this Balty group. You also have Tavon Wilson there as a nickel safety who has done well covering TEs this year.

    I think Belly will roll Dennard with McCourty over the top of Smith and Talib 1v1 with Boldin. That should eliminate the big plays Balty's offense thrives on. 

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    It's strange hearing so many Ravens backers/fans say that Evans dropped the ball like he was wide open and no one was within 15 yards of him. It was CLEARLY broken up by Moore. A solid pass breakup from a defensive back. The Cundiff kick didn't cost them the game either, people seem to forget that kick would have only forced OT. No telling what happens from that point on.

    I can't say the Pats DB's are suddenly a great group but they have to be better than last year almost by default. These are some of the DB's the Patriots had on the field on this game last season:

    Sterling Moore: While he made the play of the game he was an undrafted free agent that was cut by Oakland before signing with the Pats. 2012: He was cut twice by NE and ended up on the Cowboys depleted roster where he finished with 9 tackles.

    Antwaun Molden: Picked up before the year by the Pats upon being cut by Houston where he played sparingly in two years. 2012: Cut by the Giants in preseason did not play until he was signed by the Jags at the end of November. He finished the year with 1 tackle.

    Sergio Brown: Played safety in this game last year. Was signed as an undrafted free agent before last season. 2012: Cut by NE in preseason and picked up by the Colts where he played a handful of snaps as a backup. Recorded 11 tackles in 16 games played.

    Nate Jones: A journeyman who has bounced around the league. Before being signed as a backup at the end of November last year he had been cut by two other teams in the previous three months. 2012: Was never signed by anyone in training camp and hasn't played a snap all year.

    Julian Edelman: A WR they had playing DB because their secondary was such as abortion last year. I kid you not on the Ravens last drive in the 4th quarter last year Nate Jones and Julian Edelman each took turns trying to cover Anquan Boldin.


    It's no wonder the Pats D was such a joke last season. Look at that slew of street free agents/bums that were actually playing in the AFC Championship game. This year with Talib, Dennard, and McCourty moving to safety recently they can't help but be better. The "throw it here" Kyle Arrington will still get snaps which is a concern. Again, they aren't great but they won't be as bad as last year.

    Completely agree Andy. Arrington is beyond brutal on the outside, but he has actually performed very well in the slot. 

    Outside: 13.2 YPP allowed and 30% success rate
    Slot: 4.4 YPP and 73% success rate

    Huge difference there. That Talib acquisition has just done so much for this team. He hasn't been excellent, but he's held his own 1v1 against opposing #1 WR's. This has allowed McCourty to move to FS where IMO he can be considered one of the elite in the league. Gregory is also a solid in the box safety. This secondary group is extremely underrated and I think they can match-up fairly well with this Balty group. You also have Tavon Wilson there as a nickel safety who has done well covering TEs this year.

    I think Belly will roll Dennard with McCourty over the top of Smith and Talib 1v1 with Boldin. That should eliminate the big plays Balty's offense thrives on. 

     
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    Andy you mean to tell me you don't agree with this one? Gimme that much. Nailed it bud

    "GB vs SF reminds me of Bruce Willis vs Ashton Kutcher"
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    "GB vs SF reminds me of Bruce Willis vs Ashton Kutcher"
     
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    Andarmac99, I have to agree with you with regards to your latest comments on SFR-ATL match. I thought the game would be about a pick or plus or minus 1 but I was shocked to see it settle at 4.5. Initially, I was big time gung ho on the 49ers but this number has SFR 8 points better on a neutral field and a 10 to 11 point dog if the game was played in SFR. The smart play long term is ATLANTA and that is where the value lies. Still, it's one weekend of football and anything can happen and probably will! I've turned my position around 180 degrees and will take the long term value position on ATL but won't be surprised if I get whacked.
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    Andarmac99, I have to agree with you with regards to your latest comments on SFR-ATL match. I thought the game would be about a pick or plus or minus 1 but I was shocked to see it settle at 4.5. Initially, I was big time gung ho on the 49ers but this number has SFR 8 points better on a neutral field and a 10 to 11 point dog if the game was played in SFR. The smart play long term is ATLANTA and that is where the value lies. Still, it's one weekend of football and anything can happen and probably will! I've turned my position around 180 degrees and will take the long term value position on ATL but won't be surprised if I get whacked.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by andarmac99:



    It's strange hearing so many Ravens backers/fans say that Evans dropped the ball like he was wide open and no one was within 15 yards of him. It was CLEARLY broken up by Moore. A solid pass breakup from a defensive back. The Cundiff kick didn't cost them the game either, people seem to forget that kick would have only forced OT. No telling what happens from that point on.

    I can't say the Pats DB's are suddenly a great group but they have to be better than last year almost by default. These are some of the DB's the Patriots had on the field on this game last season:

    Sterling Moore: While he made the play of the game he was an undrafted free agent that was cut by Oakland before signing with the Pats. 2012: He was cut twice by NE and ended up on the Cowboys depleted roster where he finished with 9 tackles.

    Antwaun Molden: Picked up before the year by the Pats upon being cut by Houston where he played sparingly in two years. 2012: Cut by the Giants in preseason did not play until he was signed by the Jags at the end of November. He finished the year with 1 tackle.

    Sergio Brown: Played safety in this game last year. Was signed as an undrafted free agent before last season. 2012: Cut by NE in preseason and picked up by the Colts where he played a handful of snaps as a backup. Recorded 11 tackles in 16 games played.

    Nate Jones: A journeyman who has bounced around the league. Before being signed as a backup at the end of November last year he had been cut by two other teams in the previous three months. 2012: Was never signed by anyone in training camp and hasn't played a snap all year.

    Julian Edelman: A WR they had playing DB because their secondary was such as abortion last year. I kid you not on the Ravens last drive in the 4th quarter last year Nate Jones and Julian Edelman each took turns trying to cover Anquan Boldin.


    It's no wonder the Pats D was such a joke last season. Look at that slew of street free agents/bums that were actually playing in the AFC Championship game. This year with Talib, Dennard, and McCourty moving to safety recently they can't help but be better. The "throw it here" Kyle Arrington will still get snaps which is a concern. Again, they aren't great but they won't be as bad as last year.


    This is a great point. NE was also sliding Mathew Slater, a WR, in the secondary last year. The secondary is like night/day in this 2013 version on the AFC game.
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    It's strange hearing so many Ravens backers/fans say that Evans dropped the ball like he was wide open and no one was within 15 yards of him. It was CLEARLY broken up by Moore. A solid pass breakup from a defensive back. The Cundiff kick didn't cost them the game either, people seem to forget that kick would have only forced OT. No telling what happens from that point on.

    I can't say the Pats DB's are suddenly a great group but they have to be better than last year almost by default. These are some of the DB's the Patriots had on the field on this game last season:

    Sterling Moore: While he made the play of the game he was an undrafted free agent that was cut by Oakland before signing with the Pats. 2012: He was cut twice by NE and ended up on the Cowboys depleted roster where he finished with 9 tackles.

    Antwaun Molden: Picked up before the year by the Pats upon being cut by Houston where he played sparingly in two years. 2012: Cut by the Giants in preseason did not play until he was signed by the Jags at the end of November. He finished the year with 1 tackle.

    Sergio Brown: Played safety in this game last year. Was signed as an undrafted free agent before last season. 2012: Cut by NE in preseason and picked up by the Colts where he played a handful of snaps as a backup. Recorded 11 tackles in 16 games played.

    Nate Jones: A journeyman who has bounced around the league. Before being signed as a backup at the end of November last year he had been cut by two other teams in the previous three months. 2012: Was never signed by anyone in training camp and hasn't played a snap all year.

    Julian Edelman: A WR they had playing DB because their secondary was such as abortion last year. I kid you not on the Ravens last drive in the 4th quarter last year Nate Jones and Julian Edelman each took turns trying to cover Anquan Boldin.


    It's no wonder the Pats D was such a joke last season. Look at that slew of street free agents/bums that were actually playing in the AFC Championship game. This year with Talib, Dennard, and McCourty moving to safety recently they can't help but be better. The "throw it here" Kyle Arrington will still get snaps which is a concern. Again, they aren't great but they won't be as bad as last year.


    This is a great point. NE was also sliding Mathew Slater, a WR, in the secondary last year. The secondary is like night/day in this 2013 version on the AFC game.
     
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    Andy - must read as always.  And spot on.  Looking for any reason to take the Falcons as I like playing against the rookie QB on the road, but it is inescapable that, on paper, SF is simply superior in every way.  The things that convinced me:

    ATL has played against the softest schedule of defenses this year.  32nd.  And still could not run the ball effectively (29th).  It hurts to be one dimensional agaiunst a top D.

    SF has the best offensive line running the ball in the NFL, and ATL D is 20th v the rush.

    All stats from Football outsiders.  A bet on SF is square, no doubt, but I can't escape the fact that SF should be able to win with running and D, and need little from Kaep to win and cover, thus mitigating the rookie QB on the road angle...

    Good luck with your plays.
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    Andy - must read as always.  And spot on.  Looking for any reason to take the Falcons as I like playing against the rookie QB on the road, but it is inescapable that, on paper, SF is simply superior in every way.  The things that convinced me:

    ATL has played against the softest schedule of defenses this year.  32nd.  And still could not run the ball effectively (29th).  It hurts to be one dimensional agaiunst a top D.

    SF has the best offensive line running the ball in the NFL, and ATL D is 20th v the rush.

    All stats from Football outsiders.  A bet on SF is square, no doubt, but I can't escape the fact that SF should be able to win with running and D, and need little from Kaep to win and cover, thus mitigating the rookie QB on the road angle...

    Good luck with your plays.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2013 - 12:46 PM ET #72

    Quote Originally Posted by andarmac99:

     

    Bottom line is anyone betting San Fran is buying high. People who buy high in this business deserve to lose, it's that simple. Now sometimes it works out because the matchup overwhelmingly favors one team and may outweigh the price hike which is what I believe is the case in this game.

    1000% agree with this. Is the line too high? Yes, it is.

    Am I willing to overpay on THIS game? Yes, because I still think the Falcons have to play their best game of the year and the Niners have to play horribly for the Falcons to win this game. I am going to pay to see it though.

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    Bottom line is anyone betting San Fran is buying high. People who buy high in this business deserve to lose, it's that simple. Now sometimes it works out because the matchup overwhelmingly favors one team and may outweigh the price hike which is what I believe is the case in this game.

    1000% agree with this. Is the line too high? Yes, it is.

    Am I willing to overpay on THIS game? Yes, because I still think the Falcons have to play their best game of the year and the Niners have to play horribly for the Falcons to win this game. I am going to pay to see it though.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 19, 2013 - 12:48 PM ET #73

    Quote Originally Posted by ActionMagnet:

    Andy you mean to tell me you don't agree with this one? Gimme that much. Nailed it bud

    "GB vs SF reminds me of Bruce Willis vs Ashton Kutcher"


    dude, are you still pissed about last year?  Please go away
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    Quote Originally Posted by ActionMagnet:

    Andy you mean to tell me you don't agree with this one? Gimme that much. Nailed it bud

    "GB vs SF reminds me of Bruce Willis vs Ashton Kutcher"


    dude, are you still pissed about last year?  Please go away
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2013 - 3:27 AM ET #74

    Quote Originally Posted by ActionMagnet:


    What a shocker, go ahead fade SF again, you want to take the points so bad u could taste it. Andy you were on the PACK last week and wrote a hell of a write up on why GB would win and this and that and they wiped the floor with that pick and GB.. Tom Brady in Foxboro, Rodgers in GB and at home, Drew Brees at the superdome.. All niner wins.. And now suddenly in the biggest game of the year the lose to a qb called Matty fcking ice ? and coach mike smith and the falcons. 

    oh dear

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    What a shocker, go ahead fade SF again, you want to take the points so bad u could taste it. Andy you were on the PACK last week and wrote a hell of a write up on why GB would win and this and that and they wiped the floor with that pick and GB.. Tom Brady in Foxboro, Rodgers in GB and at home, Drew Brees at the superdome.. All niner wins.. And now suddenly in the biggest game of the year the lose to a qb called Matty fcking ice ? and coach mike smith and the falcons. 

    oh dear

     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2013 - 4:51 AM ET #75

    The 49er line is what it is because vegas put some "air" on it!! Falcons are at home..49ers are hit and miss offensively! Atl is set up to stop a running QB with their Zone read D!

    Have you been counting Teasers as ATS wins all season??

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    The 49er line is what it is because vegas put some "air" on it!! Falcons are at home..49ers are hit and miss offensively! Atl is set up to stop a running QB with their Zone read D!

    Have you been counting Teasers as ATS wins all season??

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