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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2013 - 7:22 AM ET #1

    lets see------

    last year------

    denver gives 10 to oakland playing at oakland.  final-  denver 26 oakland 13. 

    denver gives 6.5 to oakland playing at denver.  final- denver 37 oakland 6.

    denver's team is a hell of a lot more potent this year and laying 15.5 as of now.  oakland didnt do anything to improve and lets face it they got terrel pryor starting??  this dude is borderline mediocre. i would feel comfortable laying 21 on this game.  i see no mercy in a divisional game and think the final will look something like denver 42 oakland 13.  is it this easy? no.  but its either denver or no play.  discuss
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    lets see------

    last year------

    denver gives 10 to oakland playing at oakland.  final-  denver 26 oakland 13. 

    denver gives 6.5 to oakland playing at denver.  final- denver 37 oakland 6.

    denver's team is a hell of a lot more potent this year and laying 15.5 as of now.  oakland didnt do anything to improve and lets face it they got terrel pryor starting??  this dude is borderline mediocre. i would feel comfortable laying 21 on this game.  i see no mercy in a divisional game and think the final will look something like denver 42 oakland 13.  is it this easy? no.  but its either denver or no play.  discuss
     
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2013 - 7:35 AM ET #2

    i feel the same i feel better about laying 14 or 15 in this game compared to 19 20 in the seahawk game

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    i feel the same i feel better about laying 14 or 15 in this game compared to 19 20 in the seahawk game

     
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2013 - 10:26 AM ET #3

    Granted, Denver pounded Oakland last year at Mile High and Broncos' offense looked explosive by beating a team next to last in defensive category, San Diego. Denver also pounded NY Giants who have their own problems in defense and turnovers, G-men also can't run the ball. To lay over 2 TDs to a divisional rival seems tough to me. And Raiders do run the ball well, they also beat Colts in Indy which was a surprise to me. 

    Good luck if you decide to play Denver.        
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    Granted, Denver pounded Oakland last year at Mile High and Broncos' offense looked explosive by beating a team next to last in defensive category, San Diego. Denver also pounded NY Giants who have their own problems in defense and turnovers, G-men also can't run the ball. To lay over 2 TDs to a divisional rival seems tough to me. And Raiders do run the ball well, they also beat Colts in Indy which was a surprise to me. 

    Good luck if you decide to play Denver.        
     
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2013 - 10:31 AM ET #4

    38-7 final
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2013 - 10:37 AM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Granted, Denver pounded Oakland last year at Mile High and Broncos' offense looked explosive by beating a team next to last in defensive category, San Diego. Denver also pounded NY Giants who have their own problems in defense and turnovers, G-men also can't run the ball. To lay over 2 TDs to a divisional rival seems tough to me. And Raiders do run the ball well, they also beat Colts in Indy which was a surprise to me. 

    Good luck if you decide to play Denver.        

    Colts beat them.
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    Granted, Denver pounded Oakland last year at Mile High and Broncos' offense looked explosive by beating a team next to last in defensive category, San Diego. Denver also pounded NY Giants who have their own problems in defense and turnovers, G-men also can't run the ball. To lay over 2 TDs to a divisional rival seems tough to me. And Raiders do run the ball well, they also beat Colts in Indy which was a surprise to me. 

    Good luck if you decide to play Denver.        

    Colts beat them.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2013 - 10:41 AM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by tjohnsont:


    Colts beat them.

    my mistake, Raiders covered the spread not win the game.
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    Colts beat them.

    my mistake, Raiders covered the spread not win the game.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2013 - 10:44 AM ET #7

    I  like Denver...Peyton @ home!
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    I  like Denver...Peyton @ home!
     
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2013 - 10:58 AM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Granted, Denver pounded Oakland last year at Mile High and Broncos' offense looked explosive by beating a team next to last in defensive category, San Diego. Denver also pounded NY Giants who have their own problems in defense and turnovers, G-men also can't run the ball. To lay over 2 TDs to a divisional rival seems tough to me. And Raiders do run the ball well, they also beat Colts in Indy which was a surprise to me. 

    Good luck if you decide to play Denver.        

    My mistake too, Denver beat Baltimore not San Diego, in Week 1.

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    Granted, Denver pounded Oakland last year at Mile High and Broncos' offense looked explosive by beating a team next to last in defensive category, San Diego. Denver also pounded NY Giants who have their own problems in defense and turnovers, G-men also can't run the ball. To lay over 2 TDs to a divisional rival seems tough to me. And Raiders do run the ball well, they also beat Colts in Indy which was a surprise to me. 

    Good luck if you decide to play Denver.        

    My mistake too, Denver beat Baltimore not San Diego, in Week 1.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2013 - 11:07 AM ET #9

    I get scared when everyone likes a team...
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2013 - 1:48 PM ET #10

    this spread should be +18 yet its 14.5 vegas its enticing you to take den.. lemme ask you with what said would u rather be on johhny square pants or with vegas.. vegas doesnt always win but id rather be with them then against 
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    this spread should be +18 yet its 14.5 vegas its enticing you to take den.. lemme ask you with what said would u rather be on johhny square pants or with vegas.. vegas doesnt always win but id rather be with them then against 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2013 - 2:01 PM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by 808Tunda:

    lets see------

    last year------

    denver gives 10 to oakland playing at oakland.  final-  denver 26 oakland 13. 

    denver gives 6.5 to oakland playing at denver.  final- denver 37 oakland 6.

    denver's team is a hell of a lot more potent this year and laying 15.5 as of now.  oakland didnt do anything to improve and lets face it they got terrel pryor starting??  this dude is borderline mediocre. i would feel comfortable laying 21 on this game.  i see no mercy in a divisional game and think the final will look something like denver 42 oakland 13.  is it this easy? no.  but its either denver or no play.  discuss


    I couldnt agree more with you, and I usually always go with the big dogs especially in a divy game but to me it is Denver or no play. Denver can knock out teams and put up points so freaking fast and so easily. Hard to go against them especially at home.
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    lets see------

    last year------

    denver gives 10 to oakland playing at oakland.  final-  denver 26 oakland 13. 

    denver gives 6.5 to oakland playing at denver.  final- denver 37 oakland 6.

    denver's team is a hell of a lot more potent this year and laying 15.5 as of now.  oakland didnt do anything to improve and lets face it they got terrel pryor starting??  this dude is borderline mediocre. i would feel comfortable laying 21 on this game.  i see no mercy in a divisional game and think the final will look something like denver 42 oakland 13.  is it this easy? no.  but its either denver or no play.  discuss


    I couldnt agree more with you, and I usually always go with the big dogs especially in a divy game but to me it is Denver or no play. Denver can knock out teams and put up points so freaking fast and so easily. Hard to go against them especially at home.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2013 - 2:45 PM ET #12

    never bet against peyton. he understands there is no such thing as running up a score until you are up 4 possessions, he will keep scoring even if they are up 20 pts until the game is over.

    i learned this the hard way last season but have used it well for this season.
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    never bet against peyton. he understands there is no such thing as running up a score until you are up 4 possessions, he will keep scoring even if they are up 20 pts until the game is over.

    i learned this the hard way last season but have used it well for this season.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2013 - 5:30 PM ET #13

    Only thing that scares me is Pro Bowler Clady (left tackle) is out for Broncos. This will hurt them a lot.
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    Only thing that scares me is Pro Bowler Clady (left tackle) is out for Broncos. This will hurt them a lot.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2013 - 5:50 PM ET #14

    Denver Broncos win but they wont cover. If I was not a Broncos fan, I would take Oakland +15. Raiders have a serviceable defense...but what stands out is their ground game. Power running scheme with a QB and RB that keep it on the ground playing ball control. How di you beat Denver? You keep the ball out of Peyton Mannings hands. Prepare for a low scoring Time of Possession type of game.
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    Denver Broncos win but they wont cover. If I was not a Broncos fan, I would take Oakland +15. Raiders have a serviceable defense...but what stands out is their ground game. Power running scheme with a QB and RB that keep it on the ground playing ball control. How di you beat Denver? You keep the ball out of Peyton Mannings hands. Prepare for a low scoring Time of Possession type of game.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2013 - 6:37 PM ET #15

    line value! i know it sounds stupid but the raiders were 11 point dogs to indy and now 14 to the broncos? 
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    line value! i know it sounds stupid but the raiders were 11 point dogs to indy and now 14 to the broncos? 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2013 - 6:39 PM ET #16

    sometimes the books give you something early then later take it all back.  now you see it now you dont
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    sometimes the books give you something early then later take it all back.  now you see it now you dont
     
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2013 - 9:24 PM ET #17

    You bet Denver -15 or more...you are falling into media hype. I love my Broncos...but they will play ball control when they're up by 7+ Add in loss of Clady...and you are going to see a more down to earth game for their offense. Objective for John Fox is to win....not clobber other teams by 14+ points. They only do that to teams who can score at will...Ravens and Giants are in that category...not the Raiders.
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    You bet Denver -15 or more...you are falling into media hype. I love my Broncos...but they will play ball control when they're up by 7+ Add in loss of Clady...and you are going to see a more down to earth game for their offense. Objective for John Fox is to win....not clobber other teams by 14+ points. They only do that to teams who can score at will...Ravens and Giants are in that category...not the Raiders.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2013 - 9:43 PM ET #18

    I would argue that Pryor is much better than Palmer.  Pryor has only had 3 starts in his career, he is improving each week.  Denver should win, but I wouldn't use "Pryor is borderline mediocre" as a starting point.  The Raiders play with fire when he starts, they really "get up" for Pryor.
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    I would argue that Pryor is much better than Palmer.  Pryor has only had 3 starts in his career, he is improving each week.  Denver should win, but I wouldn't use "Pryor is borderline mediocre" as a starting point.  The Raiders play with fire when he starts, they really "get up" for Pryor.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by dimndimn:

    I would argue that Pryor is much better than Palmer.  Pryor has only had 3 starts in his career, he is improving each week.  Denver should win, but I wouldn't use "Pryor is borderline mediocre" as a starting point.  The Raiders play with fire when he starts, they really "get up" for Pryor.


    pryor has 2 starts.  his stats go-- 34/53,  343 yards,  1td,  2int.  his second week he actually took a step back if you read the stats.  i think borderline mediocre is generous.  i will give him credit for running a total of 162 yards in those 2 games but denver's defense  has the speed to contain that.
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    I would argue that Pryor is much better than Palmer.  Pryor has only had 3 starts in his career, he is improving each week.  Denver should win, but I wouldn't use "Pryor is borderline mediocre" as a starting point.  The Raiders play with fire when he starts, they really "get up" for Pryor.


    pryor has 2 starts.  his stats go-- 34/53,  343 yards,  1td,  2int.  his second week he actually took a step back if you read the stats.  i think borderline mediocre is generous.  i will give him credit for running a total of 162 yards in those 2 games but denver's defense  has the speed to contain that.
     
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    Unfortunately, there's more to capping than just reading stats. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by dimndimn:

    Unfortunately, there's more to capping than just reading stats. 
    really?  thanks for educating me
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    Unfortunately, there's more to capping than just reading stats. 
    really?  thanks for educating me
     
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    [Quote: Originally Posted by dimndimn] Unfortunately, there's more to capping than just reading stats.  [/Quo

    first off,  this is week 3 so pryor has 2 starts not 3. 

    second,  you say he is improving every week?  i bring up stats cause week 2 he went 15/24 -- 126 yards -- no tds.  so he did not improve week 2,  he got worse.

    third,  saying theres more to capping than just reading stats is purely ridiculous.  obviously you dont cap that way
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    [Quote: Originally Posted by dimndimn] Unfortunately, there's more to capping than just reading stats.  [/Quo

    first off,  this is week 3 so pryor has 2 starts not 3. 

    second,  you say he is improving every week?  i bring up stats cause week 2 he went 15/24 -- 126 yards -- no tds.  so he did not improve week 2,  he got worse.

    third,  saying theres more to capping than just reading stats is purely ridiculous.  obviously you dont cap that way
     
     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2013 - 4:20 AM ET #23

    Pryor has one start from the 2012 season, so for his career he has 3 starts.
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    Pryor has one start from the 2012 season, so for his career he has 3 starts.
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