I have never started a thread like this. I don't do POY/POM type shit. I am just saying, I am more confident in this play than I have been the rest of the season so far, thus I will be placing more largest wager to date on it. The play is 4th quarter over 13.5 (-110). If I was you I would also play it and play it quickly. My reasoning for this play is quite simple. I am a lions fan, I have watched all of their games last season and I have seen all of their 4th quarter comebacks and near comebacks. The lions are #1 in the NFL in offensive scoring at 15.2 points per game. That is more than 2 TDs per 4th quarter BY THEMSELVES. In fact they have scored more points in the 4th quarter this season than the first 3 combined and it hasn't even been close. 76-50! On top of that they have allowed the opposing teams to score 10.8 points per 4th quarter. That is a total of 26 points per scored in the 4th quarter of lions games this year. On the other side Chicago has scored 13 points per 4th this year themselves. Their 4th qt D has been stingy at only 5 pts per game for opposing teams, but I don't think it will matter. If you want to look at home/away the lions have actually put up more 4th quarter points on the road at 18.33 per game while allowing 14.67. That is a total of 33 points per 4th quarter when Detroit is on the road. On the Chicago side the 4th quarter at home has been much milder at a measly 10 for and 3.5 against. I do not know why the lions wait till the 4th quarter to turn it on but it is a trend a simply can and will not ignore. game by game total points in the 4th: St Louis- 24, San Fran- 20, tennessee-46, minnesota-7, phili-27. For Chicago its been: indi-14, GB-17, St Louis-13, Dallas-18, Jax-28. So We have a 4-1 record on overs in 4th quarters for the two teams this year (probably actualy 5-0 for chi not sure what o/u for St. Louis 4th was, game o/u was only 41.5, but for argument sake we'll use 13.5). Could both teams fall to 4-2 for o/u's here. absolutely. Am I willing to bet a lot of money they won't. Yup
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I have never started a thread like this. I don't do POY/POM type shit. I am just saying, I am more confident in this play than I have been the rest of the season so far, thus I will be placing more largest wager to date on it. The play is 4th quarter over 13.5 (-110). If I was you I would also play it and play it quickly. My reasoning for this play is quite simple. I am a lions fan, I have watched all of their games last season and I have seen all of their 4th quarter comebacks and near comebacks. The lions are #1 in the NFL in offensive scoring at 15.2 points per game. That is more than 2 TDs per 4th quarter BY THEMSELVES. In fact they have scored more points in the 4th quarter this season than the first 3 combined and it hasn't even been close. 76-50! On top of that they have allowed the opposing teams to score 10.8 points per 4th quarter. That is a total of 26 points per scored in the 4th quarter of lions games this year. On the other side Chicago has scored 13 points per 4th this year themselves. Their 4th qt D has been stingy at only 5 pts per game for opposing teams, but I don't think it will matter. If you want to look at home/away the lions have actually put up more 4th quarter points on the road at 18.33 per game while allowing 14.67. That is a total of 33 points per 4th quarter when Detroit is on the road. On the Chicago side the 4th quarter at home has been much milder at a measly 10 for and 3.5 against. I do not know why the lions wait till the 4th quarter to turn it on but it is a trend a simply can and will not ignore. game by game total points in the 4th: St Louis- 24, San Fran- 20, tennessee-46, minnesota-7, phili-27. For Chicago its been: indi-14, GB-17, St Louis-13, Dallas-18, Jax-28. So We have a 4-1 record on overs in 4th quarters for the two teams this year (probably actualy 5-0 for chi not sure what o/u for St. Louis 4th was, game o/u was only 41.5, but for argument sake we'll use 13.5). Could both teams fall to 4-2 for o/u's here. absolutely. Am I willing to bet a lot of money they won't. Yup
suppose to say I have watched all their games this season. also should say #1 in 4th quarter offensive scoring. sorry didn't proof read but i think you get the point
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suppose to say I have watched all their games this season. also should say #1 in 4th quarter offensive scoring. sorry didn't proof read but i think you get the point
also in case you are wondering about that yawner 4th against minnesota. 1st drive of the quarter Min misses a 46 field goal (potential 3 pts off the board) 2nd drive Detroit drives 57 yards down to the Minnesota 7, but elects to go for it and fails to punch it in on 4th and 5. (3 or 7 potential points off the board depending on how you look at it). 3rd drive: Min gives it to peterson/gerhart 6 times eating up 3:40 then punts. 4th drive- Detroit TD. 5th drive- Minnesota forces Detroit to use it's timeouts plus the 2 minute warning. last drive Detroit gets it back with 1:42 at its own 2 yd line and is stopped on 4th down short of midfield.
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also in case you are wondering about that yawner 4th against minnesota. 1st drive of the quarter Min misses a 46 field goal (potential 3 pts off the board) 2nd drive Detroit drives 57 yards down to the Minnesota 7, but elects to go for it and fails to punch it in on 4th and 5. (3 or 7 potential points off the board depending on how you look at it). 3rd drive: Min gives it to peterson/gerhart 6 times eating up 3:40 then punts. 4th drive- Detroit TD. 5th drive- Minnesota forces Detroit to use it's timeouts plus the 2 minute warning. last drive Detroit gets it back with 1:42 at its own 2 yd line and is stopped on 4th down short of midfield.
sorry bet the house in a hurry, just wanted to maybe spread a little knowledge, hopefully help my fellow covers brothers out. If you would like to edit and reformat have at it.
doemaster- I put 300 bucks on it which is a lot for me, my next biggest wager was 250 which I put on Michigan State yesterday (before hedging out most of it 2nd half) and then indi today I won about 250 on. If I wasn't up recently I wouldn't have bet so much, but take it for what its worth. I also realize the lions will likely not score as much if they can manage to be up heading into the 4th, but even if they are I doubt it will be by too much and Chicago is also 3rd in the nfl in 4th quarter scoring so I expect they could mount a comeback on the lions soft D if the lions decide to rest on their laurels
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sorry bet the house in a hurry, just wanted to maybe spread a little knowledge, hopefully help my fellow covers brothers out. If you would like to edit and reformat have at it.
doemaster- I put 300 bucks on it which is a lot for me, my next biggest wager was 250 which I put on Michigan State yesterday (before hedging out most of it 2nd half) and then indi today I won about 250 on. If I wasn't up recently I wouldn't have bet so much, but take it for what its worth. I also realize the lions will likely not score as much if they can manage to be up heading into the 4th, but even if they are I doubt it will be by too much and Chicago is also 3rd in the nfl in 4th quarter scoring so I expect they could mount a comeback on the lions soft D if the lions decide to rest on their laurels
good luck mingher- I may have bet more than i'll be happy with if it's a loser, I suggest you don't do the same. Win or lose it wont break my bank roll tho and I do suggest you do the same there.
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good luck mingher- I may have bet more than i'll be happy with if it's a loser, I suggest you don't do the same. Win or lose it wont break my bank roll tho and I do suggest you do the same there.
I have never started a thread like this. I don't do POY/POM type shit. I am just saying, I am more confident in this play than I have been the rest of the season so far, thus I will be placing my largest wager to date on it. The play is 4th quarter over 13.5 (-110). If I was you I would also play it and play it quickly.
My reasoning for this play is quite simple. I am a lions fan, I have watched all of their games this season and I have seen all of their 4th quarter comebacks and near comebacks. The lions are #1 in the NFL in 4th quarter offensive scoring at 15.2 points per game. That is more than 2 TDs per 4th quarter BY THEMSELVES. In fact they have scored more points in the 4th quarter this season than the first 3 combined and it hasn't even been close. 76-50! On top of that they have allowed the opposing teams to score 10.8 points per 4th quarter. That is a total of 26 points per scored in the 4th quarter of lions games this year.
On the other side Chicago has scored 13 points per 4th this year themselves. Their 4th qt D has been stingy at only 5 pts per game for opposing teams, but I don't think it will matter. If you want to look at home/away the lions have actually put up more 4th quarter points on the road at 18.33 per game while allowing 14.67. That is a total of 33 points per 4th quarter when Detroit is on the road. On the Chicago side the 4th quarter at home has been much milder at a measly 10 for and 3.5 against.
I do not know why the lions wait till the 4th quarter to turn it on but it is a trend a simply can and will not ignore. game by game total points in the 4th: St Louis- 24, San Fran- 20, tennessee-46, minnesota-7, phili-27.
in case you are wondering about that yawner 4th against minnesota.
1st drive of the quarter Min misses a 46 field goal (potential 3 pts off
the board) 2nd drive Detroit drives 57 yards down to the Minnesota 7,
but elects to go for it and fails to punch it in on 4th and 5. (3 or 7
potential points off the board depending on how you look at it). 3rd
drive: Min gives it to peterson/gerhart 6 times eating up 3:40 then
punts. 4th drive- Detroit TD. 5th drive- Minnesota forces Detroit to
use it's timeouts plus the 2 minute warning. last drive Detroit gets it
back with 1:42 at its own 2 yd line and is stopped on 4th down short of
midfield.
For Chicago its been: indi-14, GB-17, St Louis-13, Dallas-18, Jax-28.
So We have a 4-1 record on overs in 4th quarters for the two teams this year (probably actualy 5-0 for chi not sure what o/u for St. Louis 4th was, game o/u was only 41.5, but for argument sake we'll use 13.5). Could both teams fall to 4-2 for o/u's here. absolutely. Am I willing to bet a lot of money they won't. Yup
same information, more coherent form for you guys
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Quote Originally Posted by gollum:
I have never started a thread like this. I don't do POY/POM type shit. I am just saying, I am more confident in this play than I have been the rest of the season so far, thus I will be placing my largest wager to date on it. The play is 4th quarter over 13.5 (-110). If I was you I would also play it and play it quickly.
My reasoning for this play is quite simple. I am a lions fan, I have watched all of their games this season and I have seen all of their 4th quarter comebacks and near comebacks. The lions are #1 in the NFL in 4th quarter offensive scoring at 15.2 points per game. That is more than 2 TDs per 4th quarter BY THEMSELVES. In fact they have scored more points in the 4th quarter this season than the first 3 combined and it hasn't even been close. 76-50! On top of that they have allowed the opposing teams to score 10.8 points per 4th quarter. That is a total of 26 points per scored in the 4th quarter of lions games this year.
On the other side Chicago has scored 13 points per 4th this year themselves. Their 4th qt D has been stingy at only 5 pts per game for opposing teams, but I don't think it will matter. If you want to look at home/away the lions have actually put up more 4th quarter points on the road at 18.33 per game while allowing 14.67. That is a total of 33 points per 4th quarter when Detroit is on the road. On the Chicago side the 4th quarter at home has been much milder at a measly 10 for and 3.5 against.
I do not know why the lions wait till the 4th quarter to turn it on but it is a trend a simply can and will not ignore. game by game total points in the 4th: St Louis- 24, San Fran- 20, tennessee-46, minnesota-7, phili-27.
in case you are wondering about that yawner 4th against minnesota.
1st drive of the quarter Min misses a 46 field goal (potential 3 pts off
the board) 2nd drive Detroit drives 57 yards down to the Minnesota 7,
but elects to go for it and fails to punch it in on 4th and 5. (3 or 7
potential points off the board depending on how you look at it). 3rd
drive: Min gives it to peterson/gerhart 6 times eating up 3:40 then
punts. 4th drive- Detroit TD. 5th drive- Minnesota forces Detroit to
use it's timeouts plus the 2 minute warning. last drive Detroit gets it
back with 1:42 at its own 2 yd line and is stopped on 4th down short of
midfield.
For Chicago its been: indi-14, GB-17, St Louis-13, Dallas-18, Jax-28.
So We have a 4-1 record on overs in 4th quarters for the two teams this year (probably actualy 5-0 for chi not sure what o/u for St. Louis 4th was, game o/u was only 41.5, but for argument sake we'll use 13.5). Could both teams fall to 4-2 for o/u's here. absolutely. Am I willing to bet a lot of money they won't. Yup
I really like finding gems like this one- thanks for sharing.
Along this line of thinking, what do you think about 1H under? I remember back a couple weeks watching Bears/Cowboys MNF that Bears 1H should always be considered.
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I really like finding gems like this one- thanks for sharing.
Along this line of thinking, what do you think about 1H under? I remember back a couple weeks watching Bears/Cowboys MNF that Bears 1H should always be considered.
You could also consider playing 2H Over (depending on how the game goes)
Both teams are great at 2H scoring
Bears avg over 20 pts in the 2H Lions avg over 17 pts in the 2H
I agree 2nd half bets have been money in lions games, but if you actually look at the numbers it has been almost all 4th quarter scoring. detroit averages 2.6 points per 3rd quarter while chicago only gives up 1.2 (compared to 15.2 and 5 respectively in the 4th). Also Detroit is only giving up 3.2 3rd quarter points while chicago scoring 7.4 (compared to the 10.8 and 13 respectively).
Please note: THIS IS AN EXTREMELY SMALL SAMPLE SIZE TO BASE A PLAY ON! And I do believe that these averages will regress downwards, however these numbers could regress downwards on the Detroit side tomorrow and still go over by 10 points. If Detroit is down (as they have been repeatedly) I have no reason to think 2 touchdowns don't get scored, and even if they are winning, I'll still take my chances that both teams can find the end zone.
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Quote Originally Posted by Biscuit:
I agree w/your play
You could also consider playing 2H Over (depending on how the game goes)
Both teams are great at 2H scoring
Bears avg over 20 pts in the 2H Lions avg over 17 pts in the 2H
I agree 2nd half bets have been money in lions games, but if you actually look at the numbers it has been almost all 4th quarter scoring. detroit averages 2.6 points per 3rd quarter while chicago only gives up 1.2 (compared to 15.2 and 5 respectively in the 4th). Also Detroit is only giving up 3.2 3rd quarter points while chicago scoring 7.4 (compared to the 10.8 and 13 respectively).
Please note: THIS IS AN EXTREMELY SMALL SAMPLE SIZE TO BASE A PLAY ON! And I do believe that these averages will regress downwards, however these numbers could regress downwards on the Detroit side tomorrow and still go over by 10 points. If Detroit is down (as they have been repeatedly) I have no reason to think 2 touchdowns don't get scored, and even if they are winning, I'll still take my chances that both teams can find the end zone.
I really like finding gems like this one- thanks for sharing.
Along this line of thinking, what do you think about 1H under? I remember back a couple weeks watching Bears/Cowboys MNF that Bears 1H should always be considered.
I would probably lean under 1st half, but detroits defense hasn't been great in the 1st half so I likely won't play it. On the other hand Chicago games have been very low scoring in the 1st QUARTER. They have only allowed 1 TD all season with no FGs and have only scored 13 first quarter points themselves. So a 1st quarter under looks better strictly based on stats from the first 5 games, or even a prop play of no points in the first _____ minutes.
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Quote Originally Posted by ChipsNVouchers:
I really like finding gems like this one- thanks for sharing.
Along this line of thinking, what do you think about 1H under? I remember back a couple weeks watching Bears/Cowboys MNF that Bears 1H should always be considered.
I would probably lean under 1st half, but detroits defense hasn't been great in the 1st half so I likely won't play it. On the other hand Chicago games have been very low scoring in the 1st QUARTER. They have only allowed 1 TD all season with no FGs and have only scored 13 first quarter points themselves. So a 1st quarter under looks better strictly based on stats from the first 5 games, or even a prop play of no points in the first _____ minutes.
oddly, your line is less than the 2nd qtr line (assuming you use 5dimes).
I thought that was strange also, not sure if the books just were sloppy with the 4th quarter line or if I'm falling into a nicely laid trap. could go either way i suppose
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Quote Originally Posted by redbook1:
oddly, your line is less than the 2nd qtr line (assuming you use 5dimes).
I thought that was strange also, not sure if the books just were sloppy with the 4th quarter line or if I'm falling into a nicely laid trap. could go either way i suppose
I just want to say again, please don't bet anything you can't afford to lose. I am selling this one hard and betting probably more than I should but NOT more than I can afford. If you lose big, feel free to come back and tell me I'm a piece of shit for talking you into it, but I will likely just apologize and refer you to this post or tell you to F off because i'll be pissed that I lost too
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I just want to say again, please don't bet anything you can't afford to lose. I am selling this one hard and betting probably more than I should but NOT more than I can afford. If you lose big, feel free to come back and tell me I'm a piece of shit for talking you into it, but I will likely just apologize and refer you to this post or tell you to F off because i'll be pissed that I lost too
WTF?.....Never saw anything like this!........Gotta be a better way to beat the books...So, it's "over" for the 4th qtr.??....Both teams together or just det. team total?
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WTF?.....Never saw anything like this!........Gotta be a better way to beat the books...So, it's "over" for the 4th qtr.??....Both teams together or just det. team total?
WTF?.....Never saw anything like this!........Gotta be a better way to beat the books...So, it's "over" for the 4th qtr.??....Both teams together or just det. team total?
I think the best way to beat the books is with obscure bets, they spend lots of time and energy into setting game lines and totals. I am hoping this was somewhat of an oversight and that they have some type of formula where they set X quarter at Y based on whatever the game total is. Frankly the more I think about it, the more nervous I get because I cannot see a single reason anyone would ever want to bet the under. I don't know where to find a lions team total for the 4th quarter so I took just the over 13.5, but if I could find it I would take both, again though the more I think about it the more I don't see any reason to bet the under, and more often than not if you can see no reason to take a side or total it will win.
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Quote Originally Posted by bipolarroller:
WTF?.....Never saw anything like this!........Gotta be a better way to beat the books...So, it's "over" for the 4th qtr.??....Both teams together or just det. team total?
I think the best way to beat the books is with obscure bets, they spend lots of time and energy into setting game lines and totals. I am hoping this was somewhat of an oversight and that they have some type of formula where they set X quarter at Y based on whatever the game total is. Frankly the more I think about it, the more nervous I get because I cannot see a single reason anyone would ever want to bet the under. I don't know where to find a lions team total for the 4th quarter so I took just the over 13.5, but if I could find it I would take both, again though the more I think about it the more I don't see any reason to bet the under, and more often than not if you can see no reason to take a side or total it will win.
I wish I would have looked at all the other posted 4th quarter totals before the games started so I could see if they make some with similar game totals higher or lower, or if there is some sort of apparent formula. I doubt anyone would know where to find such random information, but if you do I would appreciate if you pass it along.
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I wish I would have looked at all the other posted 4th quarter totals before the games started so I could see if they make some with similar game totals higher or lower, or if there is some sort of apparent formula. I doubt anyone would know where to find such random information, but if you do I would appreciate if you pass it along.
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