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    Machine picks for TNF DET@BUF (9/17/26)

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    ParlayBuster
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    Posted: Sep. 16, 2026 - 5:01 PM ET #1

    What 70% public on the Over + 70% on Buffalo -4.5 actually means

    It does NOT mean the bets are wrong.

    It means:

    • Those bets are crowded

    • Crowded bets tend to be priced correctly or overpriced

    • Books shade lines when the public piles on

    • If anything weird happens, it usually kills the public side first

    This is why you’re feeling that “something weird always happens” — because when a line gets too popular, the value disappears and variance spikes.

    Your shootout parlay is still good, but Buffalo -4.5 is the weakest leg because:

    • The public is heavy on it

    • History says these teams play close

    • Your own tabs show Detroit can score

    • You don’t need a spread for the shootout script to work

    So yes — you should replace the spread leg.

    Here are the three viable replacements, ranked:

    Example: Allen 225+ passing yards This is perfectly correlated with your shootout script and avoids the public side.

    Why it works:

    • Allen over 251.5 is already in your parlay

    • A lower alt line boosts correlation without adding public exposure

    • Books don’t shade alt lines nearly as much

    This is the best replacement.

    Example: Amon-Ra 6+ receptions

    Why it works:

    • Still fits the shootout

    • Still fits Detroit chasing

    • Avoids the public’s obsession with the spread and total

    • Lower alt lines hit more often and stabilize parlays

    This is the second-best replacement.

    Why it works:

    • Removes the “Bills must win by 5+” requirement

    • Still fits the script (Buffalo wins a high-scoring game)

    • Avoids the public’s exact number

    • Doesn’t fight the historical trend of close games

    This is the safest replacement.

    • Josh Allen over 251.5 passing yards (-114)

    • Amon-Ra St. Brown over 7.5 receptions (-106)

    • Game total over 53.5 (-115)

    • Replacement leg:

      • Buffalo moneyline OR

      • Allen 225+ passing yards OR

      • Amon-Ra 6+ receptions

    Pick one of those three depending on how aggressive you want to be.

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.

    What 70% public on the Over + 70% on Buffalo -4.5 actually means

    It does NOT mean the bets are wrong.

    It means:

    • Those bets are crowded

    • Crowded bets tend to be priced correctly or overpriced

    • Books shade lines when the public piles on

    • If anything weird happens, it usually kills the public side first

    This is why you’re feeling that “something weird always happens” — because when a line gets too popular, the value disappears and variance spikes.

    Your shootout parlay is still good, but Buffalo -4.5 is the weakest leg because:

    • The public is heavy on it

    • History says these teams play close

    • Your own tabs show Detroit can score

    • You don’t need a spread for the shootout script to work

    So yes — you should replace the spread leg.

    Here are the three viable replacements, ranked:

    Example: Allen 225+ passing yards This is perfectly correlated with your shootout script and avoids the public side.

    Why it works:

    • Allen over 251.5 is already in your parlay

    • A lower alt line boosts correlation without adding public exposure

    • Books don’t shade alt lines nearly as much

    This is the best replacement.

    Example: Amon-Ra 6+ receptions

    Why it works:

    • Still fits the shootout

    • Still fits Detroit chasing

    • Avoids the public’s obsession with the spread and total

    • Lower alt lines hit more often and stabilize parlays

    This is the second-best replacement.

    Why it works:

    • Removes the “Bills must win by 5+” requirement

    • Still fits the script (Buffalo wins a high-scoring game)

    • Avoids the public’s exact number

    • Doesn’t fight the historical trend of close games

    This is the safest replacement.

    • Josh Allen over 251.5 passing yards (-114)

    • Amon-Ra St. Brown over 7.5 receptions (-106)

    • Game total over 53.5 (-115)

    • Replacement leg:

      • Buffalo moneyline OR

      • Allen 225+ passing yards OR

      • Amon-Ra 6+ receptions

    Pick one of those three depending on how aggressive you want to be.

     
    jowchoo
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    Posted: Sep. 16, 2026 - 7:24 PM ET #2

    Quote Originally Posted by ParlayBuster:

    What 70% public on the Over + 70% on Buffalo -4.5 actually means It does NOT mean the bets are wrong. It means: Those bets are crowded Crowded bets tend to be priced correctly or overpriced Books shade lines when the public piles on If anything weird happens, it usually kills the public side first This is why you’re feeling that “something weird always happens” — because when a line gets too popular, the value disappears and variance spikes. Your shootout parlay is still good, but Buffalo -4.5 is the weakest leg because: The public is heavy on it History says these teams play close Your own tabs show Detroit can score You don’t need a spread for the shootout script to work So yes — you should replace the spread leg. Here are the three viable replacements, ranked: Example: Allen 225+ passing yards This is perfectly correlated with your shootout script and avoids the public side. Why it works: Allen over 251.5 is already in your parlay A lower alt line boosts correlation without adding public exposure Books don’t shade alt lines nearly as much This is the best replacement. Example: Amon-Ra 6+ receptions Why it works: Still fits the shootout Still fits Detroit chasing Avoids the public’s obsession with the spread and total Lower alt lines hit more often and stabilize parlays This is the second-best replacement. Why it works: Removes the “Bills must win by 5+” requirement Still fits the script (Buffalo wins a high-scoring game) Avoids the public’s exact number Doesn’t fight the historical trend of close games This is the safest replacement. Josh Allen over 251.5 passing yards (-114) Amon-Ra St. Brown over 7.5 receptions (-106) Game total over 53.5 (-115) Replacement leg: Buffalo moneyline OR Allen 225+ passing yards OR Amon-Ra 6+ receptions Pick one of those three depending on how aggressive you want to be.

    Tremendous post.

    IMHO this should be pinned to the top as it is rare to see. Comparing and contrasting leading to double dipping player props to avoid public bias and back door covers is elite.

    My only pushback is this idea is better served not as an additional leg of a parlay but a replacement to the original signal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ParlayBuster:

    What 70% public on the Over + 70% on Buffalo -4.5 actually means It does NOT mean the bets are wrong. It means: Those bets are crowded Crowded bets tend to be priced correctly or overpriced Books shade lines when the public piles on If anything weird happens, it usually kills the public side first This is why you’re feeling that “something weird always happens” — because when a line gets too popular, the value disappears and variance spikes. Your shootout parlay is still good, but Buffalo -4.5 is the weakest leg because: The public is heavy on it History says these teams play close Your own tabs show Detroit can score You don’t need a spread for the shootout script to work So yes — you should replace the spread leg. Here are the three viable replacements, ranked: Example: Allen 225+ passing yards This is perfectly correlated with your shootout script and avoids the public side. Why it works: Allen over 251.5 is already in your parlay A lower alt line boosts correlation without adding public exposure Books don’t shade alt lines nearly as much This is the best replacement. Example: Amon-Ra 6+ receptions Why it works: Still fits the shootout Still fits Detroit chasing Avoids the public’s obsession with the spread and total Lower alt lines hit more often and stabilize parlays This is the second-best replacement. Why it works: Removes the “Bills must win by 5+” requirement Still fits the script (Buffalo wins a high-scoring game) Avoids the public’s exact number Doesn’t fight the historical trend of close games This is the safest replacement. Josh Allen over 251.5 passing yards (-114) Amon-Ra St. Brown over 7.5 receptions (-106) Game total over 53.5 (-115) Replacement leg: Buffalo moneyline OR Allen 225+ passing yards OR Amon-Ra 6+ receptions Pick one of those three depending on how aggressive you want to be.

    Tremendous post.

    IMHO this should be pinned to the top as it is rare to see. Comparing and contrasting leading to double dipping player props to avoid public bias and back door covers is elite.

    My only pushback is this idea is better served not as an additional leg of a parlay but a replacement to the original signal.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 17, 2026 - 5:56 AM ET #3

    @jowchoo

     How is it tremendous? All he did was submit his picks to AI and used those replies to copy and paste on here. 

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    @jowchoo

     How is it tremendous? All he did was submit his picks to AI and used those replies to copy and paste on here. 

     
    jowchoo
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    Posted: Sep. 17, 2026 - 6:06 AM ET #4

    Could care less about the origin of this opinion. The truth imo is what is "TREMENDOUS"

     

     

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    Could care less about the origin of this opinion. The truth imo is what is "TREMENDOUS"

     

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 17, 2026 - 2:03 PM ET #5

    @ParlayBuster

     Two distinctions matter here. Public bet percentage alone is not evidence that a line is shaded enough to fade, and a lower alt line
    can hit more often while still be a worse price because of the extra hold. Allen passing, Buffalo, and the game total can also be correlated, so the right check is the joint probability and the full parlay price, not whether one leg feels safer. Compare each offered price with a fair number and avoid counting the same game script twice.

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    @ParlayBuster

     Two distinctions matter here. Public bet percentage alone is not evidence that a line is shaded enough to fade, and a lower alt line
    can hit more often while still be a worse price because of the extra hold. Allen passing, Buffalo, and the game total can also be correlated, so the right check is the joint probability and the full parlay price, not whether one leg feels safer. Compare each offered price with a fair number and avoid counting the same game script twice.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 17, 2026 - 2:39 PM ET #6

    The problem with your replacement is that St. Brown has a pretty juiced payout for having a good, not incredible game tonight. 

     

    If he has 100 yards and 2 touchdowns it pays 10-1. If he has 100 yards and Jared Goff throws for 350, it also pays 10-1.

     

    As you can see from the Dallas and KC games, games can go over without tremendous stats from either team. 

    Lamb and Pickens did almost nothing. That game was all Isiah Likely. 

    The KC game went under cuz they didn’t kick the field goal at the end. That game was all Kenneth Walker. Mahomes only threw for 180, and most receptions on the team was 3. Rashee had 2 catches for 19 yards.

     

    In my opinion, picking props has too much variability. Especially going with the big names in primetime. 

    If you take overs, if you do props you lose the benefit of defensive touchdowns and turnovers that cause short fields. 

    Again, outside of Kenneth Walker, nobody on either team really did anything, yet it was 1 field goal away from going over. 

     

     

     

     

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    The problem with your replacement is that St. Brown has a pretty juiced payout for having a good, not incredible game tonight. 

     

    If he has 100 yards and 2 touchdowns it pays 10-1. If he has 100 yards and Jared Goff throws for 350, it also pays 10-1.

     

    As you can see from the Dallas and KC games, games can go over without tremendous stats from either team. 

    Lamb and Pickens did almost nothing. That game was all Isiah Likely. 

    The KC game went under cuz they didn’t kick the field goal at the end. That game was all Kenneth Walker. Mahomes only threw for 180, and most receptions on the team was 3. Rashee had 2 catches for 19 yards.

     

    In my opinion, picking props has too much variability. Especially going with the big names in primetime. 

    If you take overs, if you do props you lose the benefit of defensive touchdowns and turnovers that cause short fields. 

    Again, outside of Kenneth Walker, nobody on either team really did anything, yet it was 1 field goal away from going over. 

     

     

     

     

     
     
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    Posted: Sep. 17, 2026 - 4:16 PM ET #7

    @ParlayBuster

     Both sites i use for public betting has over 60% on detroit.

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    @ParlayBuster

     Both sites i use for public betting has over 60% on detroit.

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