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    IS THIS PATRIOTS TEAM THE MOST OVERRATED TEAM IN NFL HISTORY?

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    KingKappy128
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 4:19 PM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by dytide:

    overreaction to one game

    this is why bookies and sportsbook make money



    Right dude, such a valid point.....Not
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    Quote Originally Posted by dytide:

    overreaction to one game

    this is why bookies and sportsbook make money



    Right dude, such a valid point.....Not
     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 4:26 PM ET #27

    Quote Originally Posted by solidaces:

     Wow look at all of you hater.. i guess when you have a dynasty, a team of winner like pats. cheated, spygate, nfl give it to pats = haters who are just sore losers. wishing someday their team will be a dynasty like Pats

    Dynasties bigger than the pats:

    Raiders

    Packers

    Cowboys

    Steelers

    49ers

    all bigger dynasties than the pats of recent. you are probaly no older than 18, so you wouldnt remember any of these though...please stop making yourself look stupid

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    Quote Originally Posted by solidaces:

     Wow look at all of you hater.. i guess when you have a dynasty, a team of winner like pats. cheated, spygate, nfl give it to pats = haters who are just sore losers. wishing someday their team will be a dynasty like Pats

    Dynasties bigger than the pats:

    Raiders

    Packers

    Cowboys

    Steelers

    49ers

    all bigger dynasties than the pats of recent. you are probaly no older than 18, so you wouldnt remember any of these though...please stop making yourself look stupid

     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 4:33 PM ET #28

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce_Willis:

    Dynasties bigger than the pats:

    Raiders

    Packers

    Cowboys

    Steelers

    49ers

    all bigger dynasties than the pats of recent. you are probaly no older than 18, so you wouldnt remember any of these though...please stop making yourself look stupid

    Mr, Bruce Sr no I'm not 18, and not 90 like u. I respect cow, steelers, packers, all of em as dynasty team. My point is saints - your saints havnt prove anything, and they are overated ok bruce. Now since your 90 maybe u need me to put it bigger :SAINTS ARE OVERATED, can u read that ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce_Willis:

    Dynasties bigger than the pats:

    Raiders

    Packers

    Cowboys

    Steelers

    49ers

    all bigger dynasties than the pats of recent. you are probaly no older than 18, so you wouldnt remember any of these though...please stop making yourself look stupid

    Mr, Bruce Sr no I'm not 18, and not 90 like u. I respect cow, steelers, packers, all of em as dynasty team. My point is saints - your saints havnt prove anything, and they are overated ok bruce. Now since your 90 maybe u need me to put it bigger :SAINTS ARE OVERATED, can u read that ?

     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 4:38 PM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by solidaces:

    Mr, Bruce Sr no I'm not 18, and not 90 like u. I respect cow, steelers, packers, all of em as dynasty team. My point is saints - your saints havnt prove anything, and they are overated ok bruce. Now since your 90 maybe u need me to put it bigger :SAINTS ARE OVERATED, can u read that ?

    clock on my name dumbass, im a die hard packers fan, in fact i dont even like the saints. They are the most obnoxious fans from the dirtiest city in the nation(not to say i dont enjoy a delicous hand grenade from time to time. I am simply trying to fill you in on how stupid you are sounding...have you seen one person agree with you in any of your moronic posts? any pat fans come to you defense with all your outrageous comments? No, bc they know they got their shit pushed in by a superior and still undefeated saints team. look at every schedule for every team this season. no one has an overly impressive schedule, so the whole havent beaten anyone argument is kind of a dead end. Saints have a very legitimate shot to make it to the NFC championship game, and be in the big game. is it a certainty? NEVER. but right now, they are in the best position to do so. now stop arguing, u have no leg to stand on anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solidaces:

    Mr, Bruce Sr no I'm not 18, and not 90 like u. I respect cow, steelers, packers, all of em as dynasty team. My point is saints - your saints havnt prove anything, and they are overated ok bruce. Now since your 90 maybe u need me to put it bigger :SAINTS ARE OVERATED, can u read that ?

    clock on my name dumbass, im a die hard packers fan, in fact i dont even like the saints. They are the most obnoxious fans from the dirtiest city in the nation(not to say i dont enjoy a delicous hand grenade from time to time. I am simply trying to fill you in on how stupid you are sounding...have you seen one person agree with you in any of your moronic posts? any pat fans come to you defense with all your outrageous comments? No, bc they know they got their shit pushed in by a superior and still undefeated saints team. look at every schedule for every team this season. no one has an overly impressive schedule, so the whole havent beaten anyone argument is kind of a dead end. Saints have a very legitimate shot to make it to the NFC championship game, and be in the big game. is it a certainty? NEVER. but right now, they are in the best position to do so. now stop arguing, u have no leg to stand on anymore.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 4:40 PM ET #30

    by the way im 27, i dont even know what kind of put down calling me 90 is, but if i were 90, i wouldnt give your chilidish ass the time of day, but still being relatively young, i feel compelled to indulge on this topic
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    by the way im 27, i dont even know what kind of put down calling me 90 is, but if i were 90, i wouldnt give your chilidish ass the time of day, but still being relatively young, i feel compelled to indulge on this topic
     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 4:45 PM ET #31

    Quote Originally Posted by dytide:

    overreaction to one game

    this is why bookies and sportsbook make money

    Lest people forget that the Saints were one completion away from getting beat by the Rams. 

    They basically dared NE to run last night and NE still didn't.  And they got pressure rushing 3 or 4.  That type of approach won't work against MN.

    There is a LOT of ball left to be played.  Remember how AZ limped into the playoffs last year and almost won it all?   WAY too early to predict how things will play out. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by dytide:

    overreaction to one game

    this is why bookies and sportsbook make money

    Lest people forget that the Saints were one completion away from getting beat by the Rams. 

    They basically dared NE to run last night and NE still didn't.  And they got pressure rushing 3 or 4.  That type of approach won't work against MN.

    There is a LOT of ball left to be played.  Remember how AZ limped into the playoffs last year and almost won it all?   WAY too early to predict how things will play out. 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 4:53 PM ET #32

    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    Lest people forget that the Saints were one completion away from getting beat by the Rams. 

    They basically dared NE to run last night and NE still didn't.  And they got pressure rushing 3 or 4.  That type of approach won't work against MN.

    There is a LOT of ball left to be played.  Remember how AZ limped into the playoffs last year and almost won it all?   WAY too early to predict how things will play out. 

    not sure why i keep coming in to defend the saints but oh well....the rams were on the 38 yard line and threw a hail mary to the endzone, but i guess thats technically 1 pass, just a little misleading...brees one and only off game of the season(and he was way off by his standards) and the saints still win by 5 on the road

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    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    Lest people forget that the Saints were one completion away from getting beat by the Rams. 

    They basically dared NE to run last night and NE still didn't.  And they got pressure rushing 3 or 4.  That type of approach won't work against MN.

    There is a LOT of ball left to be played.  Remember how AZ limped into the playoffs last year and almost won it all?   WAY too early to predict how things will play out. 

    not sure why i keep coming in to defend the saints but oh well....the rams were on the 38 yard line and threw a hail mary to the endzone, but i guess thats technically 1 pass, just a little misleading...brees one and only off game of the season(and he was way off by his standards) and the saints still win by 5 on the road

     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 4:54 PM ET #33

    [Quote: Originally Posted by Bruce_Willis] by the way im 27, i dont even know what kind of put down calling me 90 is, but if i were 90, i wouldnt give your chilidish ass the time of day, but still being relatively young, i feel compelled to indulge on this topic [/Quote

    fair enough, u called me a kiddo. Well I can tell u one thing: Saints are good but overated. Packers are good but underated, hows that?

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    [Quote: Originally Posted by Bruce_Willis] by the way im 27, i dont even know what kind of put down calling me 90 is, but if i were 90, i wouldnt give your chilidish ass the time of day, but still being relatively young, i feel compelled to indulge on this topic [/Quote

    fair enough, u called me a kiddo. Well I can tell u one thing: Saints are good but overated. Packers are good but underated, hows that?

     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 5:02 PM ET #34

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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 5:06 PM ET #35

    When they built their reputation as a dynasty they cheated to win period ! They are an average team with an average coach when not given an advantage ! Their dynasty and championships all have astericks by them and any one who is intelligent knows that.
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    When they built their reputation as a dynasty they cheated to win period ! They are an average team with an average coach when not given an advantage ! Their dynasty and championships all have astericks by them and any one who is intelligent knows that.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 5:29 PM ET #36

    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkpicard:

    When they built their reputation as a dynasty they cheated to win period ! They are an average team with an average coach when not given an advantage ! Their dynasty and championships all have astericks by them and any one who is intelligent knows that.

    Another hater.. I bet your team is da Bears? if not then another sub 500 teams...amazing good teams like pats on top with lots of haters acusing of cheating  . 3 superbowls not just 1 guys

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirkpicard:

    When they built their reputation as a dynasty they cheated to win period ! They are an average team with an average coach when not given an advantage ! Their dynasty and championships all have astericks by them and any one who is intelligent knows that.

    Another hater.. I bet your team is da Bears? if not then another sub 500 teams...amazing good teams like pats on top with lots of haters acusing of cheating  . 3 superbowls not just 1 guys

     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 5:32 PM ET #37

    plain and simple no they are not hte most overated team ever. This is a good football team. That got outplayed outcoached out everything'd last night. This team can still win the superbowl. why might you ask.... tom brady and bill. They may not have to even play the saints in the playoffs
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    plain and simple no they are not hte most overated team ever. This is a good football team. That got outplayed outcoached out everything'd last night. This team can still win the superbowl. why might you ask.... tom brady and bill. They may not have to even play the saints in the playoffs
     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 5:50 PM ET #38

    Quote Originally Posted by pickenwinners:

    plain and simple no they are not hte most overated team ever. This is a good football team. That got outplayed outcoached out everything'd last night. This team can still win the superbowl. why might you ask.... tom brady and bill. They may not have to even play the saints in the playoffs

     thank you pickenwinners, good point

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickenwinners:

    plain and simple no they are not hte most overated team ever. This is a good football team. That got outplayed outcoached out everything'd last night. This team can still win the superbowl. why might you ask.... tom brady and bill. They may not have to even play the saints in the playoffs

     thank you pickenwinners, good point

     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 8:55 PM ET #39

    with all the pats bashing going on and yes i believe their defense is middle of the pack at its very best.....you still have a team that can hang 35+ on anyone on any given day.
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    with all the pats bashing going on and yes i believe their defense is middle of the pack at its very best.....you still have a team that can hang 35+ on anyone on any given day.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 10:13 PM ET #40

    That was the worst defensive performance by a Patriots team I have seen in at least 9-10 yrs. Blown coverages, no adjustments, they were outplayed by an emerging team in the NFL. Someone mentioned their lack of pass rush, well if you knew anything about their defensive scheme, it does not involve much of a pass rush at all. It is more of a reactionary spot zone defence. As it looks now, this team will make the playoffs, they didnt last year, and most likely will be done after their first opponent, depending on who that is...They will acquirre thru veteran free agency the players needed to fix the horrid secondary they have now. They cannot wait for this bunch to develope if they want to stay competitive with the top teams. The troubled looks on Brady and Belichek's faces towards the end of the game was also something I've rarely seen.

    This team always adjusts, and has certainly taken a large hit with the loss of defensive players who have left. It was frustrating as hell to watch last night. But anything can happen come playoff time.

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    That was the worst defensive performance by a Patriots team I have seen in at least 9-10 yrs. Blown coverages, no adjustments, they were outplayed by an emerging team in the NFL. Someone mentioned their lack of pass rush, well if you knew anything about their defensive scheme, it does not involve much of a pass rush at all. It is more of a reactionary spot zone defence. As it looks now, this team will make the playoffs, they didnt last year, and most likely will be done after their first opponent, depending on who that is...They will acquirre thru veteran free agency the players needed to fix the horrid secondary they have now. They cannot wait for this bunch to develope if they want to stay competitive with the top teams. The troubled looks on Brady and Belichek's faces towards the end of the game was also something I've rarely seen.

    This team always adjusts, and has certainly taken a large hit with the loss of defensive players who have left. It was frustrating as hell to watch last night. But anything can happen come playoff time.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 10:42 PM ET #41

    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    Lest people forget that the Saints were one completion away from getting beat by the Rams. 

    They basically dared NE to run last night and NE still didn't.  And they got pressure rushing 3 or 4.  That type of approach won't work against MN.

    There is a LOT of ball left to be played.  Remember how AZ limped into the playoffs last year and almost won it all?   WAY too early to predict how things will play out. 

    Calm down people we can pick and choose on each team about there mishaps, you are right they almost lost to the Rams. Vikes should have lost to the 49ers, Pats should have lost to Buffalo etc etc..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

    Lest people forget that the Saints were one completion away from getting beat by the Rams. 

    They basically dared NE to run last night and NE still didn't.  And they got pressure rushing 3 or 4.  That type of approach won't work against MN.

    There is a LOT of ball left to be played.  Remember how AZ limped into the playoffs last year and almost won it all?   WAY too early to predict how things will play out. 

    Calm down people we can pick and choose on each team about there mishaps, you are right they almost lost to the Rams. Vikes should have lost to the 49ers, Pats should have lost to Buffalo etc etc..........

     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2009 - 8:51 AM ET #42

    "they cheated"


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    "they cheated"


     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2009 - 11:01 AM ET #43

    Overrated? how? theyre 7-4, primed for a home game in the wildcard round and the thing your forgetting matey the patriots are making mistakes now, they can still make adjustments before the playoffs....who would of thought the cardinals defence would step up in the playoffs like they did last year.Its just 1 game, calm down.
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    Overrated? how? theyre 7-4, primed for a home game in the wildcard round and the thing your forgetting matey the patriots are making mistakes now, they can still make adjustments before the playoffs....who would of thought the cardinals defence would step up in the playoffs like they did last year.Its just 1 game, calm down.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2009 - 1:35 PM ET #44

    I would go with any Colts team with Peyton Manning. They lose every year in the first round of the playoffs, except the year they got really lucky.
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    I would go with any Colts team with Peyton Manning. They lose every year in the first round of the playoffs, except the year they got really lucky.
     
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    htrain... if you are a Patriots fan talking about how the Colts got "really lucky" to win a Super Bowl, maybe we should recount some of the events of the 2001-2002 New England Patriots championship run...

    seriously... that's fucking ridiculous for you to say the Colts got "really lucky" to win that Super Bowl... they were easily the best team in the postseason... the defense was by far better than any other team once the playoffs started... that's why they won...

    they didn't need a single bullshit "Tuck Rule" call or anything like that, either...

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    htrain... if you are a Patriots fan talking about how the Colts got "really lucky" to win a Super Bowl, maybe we should recount some of the events of the 2001-2002 New England Patriots championship run...

    seriously... that's fucking ridiculous for you to say the Colts got "really lucky" to win that Super Bowl... they were easily the best team in the postseason... the defense was by far better than any other team once the playoffs started... that's why they won...

    they didn't need a single bullshit "Tuck Rule" call or anything like that, either...

     
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    New Orleans definitely showed up for that game and punished NE.  That being said, you can't say NE is the most overrated team in NFL.  The line was set because NE basically had INDY beat in INDY and books weren't 100% sure what kind of team NO was.  Seems like it was probably a good line as bets were made on both sides based off the line.  

    Congrats to NO on a huge win, but the AFC is still wide open and NE could still make a run in the playoffs.  NO and MINN are probably the two teams that would give NE the most trouble and they play in the NFC.

    I like the Vikes chances vs. NO also Kappy.
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    New Orleans definitely showed up for that game and punished NE.  That being said, you can't say NE is the most overrated team in NFL.  The line was set because NE basically had INDY beat in INDY and books weren't 100% sure what kind of team NO was.  Seems like it was probably a good line as bets were made on both sides based off the line.  

    Congrats to NO on a huge win, but the AFC is still wide open and NE could still make a run in the playoffs.  NO and MINN are probably the two teams that would give NE the most trouble and they play in the NFC.

    I like the Vikes chances vs. NO also Kappy.
     
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    Hey Kappy... I hate to be a dickhead and all but....

    it should be ARE the pats... not IS the pats...

     

    Just a heads up

    Keep pickin winners

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    Hey Kappy... I hate to be a dickhead and all but....

    it should be ARE the pats... not IS the pats...

     

    Just a heads up

    Keep pickin winners

     
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    they are 7-4 who is overrating them?


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    they are 7-4 who is overrating them?


     
     
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