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    IS THIS PATRIOTS TEAM THE MOST OVERRATED TEAM IN NFL HISTORY?

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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 12:06 PM ET #1

    They have beaten Buffalo, Atlanta, Baltimore, Tennessee, Tampa Bay, Miami, and the Jets.  All at home except for Tampa Bay in England.  If they playoffs started today, they would not have beaten 1 playoff team yet.  Where is the great win this year.  Why was this team 2 point dogs in New Orleans.  I bet the Saints and I know it's easy to say this now, but wasn't this a great bet last night?
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    They have beaten Buffalo, Atlanta, Baltimore, Tennessee, Tampa Bay, Miami, and the Jets.  All at home except for Tampa Bay in England.  If they playoffs started today, they would not have beaten 1 playoff team yet.  Where is the great win this year.  Why was this team 2 point dogs in New Orleans.  I bet the Saints and I know it's easy to say this now, but wasn't this a great bet last night?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 12:09 PM ET #2

    And it was New Orleans who had not played anyone

    Their defense is pathetic, I dont care what it is "rated"
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    And it was New Orleans who had not played anyone

    Their defense is pathetic, I dont care what it is "rated"
     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 12:12 PM ET #3

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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 12:16 PM ET #4

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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 12:29 PM ET #5

    I feel like such a dumb ass for takign NE.  Good point KK.  Didn't expect a Blow up and a complete mismatch like last night.  I think Saints are your Super Bowl Champions
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    I feel like such a dumb ass for takign NE.  Good point KK.  Didn't expect a Blow up and a complete mismatch like last night.  I think Saints are your Super Bowl Champions
     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 12:36 PM ET #6

    Yeah, their defense isn't what it is used to be (how could it be - no more Samuel, Seymore, Harrison), maybe some light has been shed on why Belechck went for that 4th down a couple of weeks ago.  But they will win the AFC East (unless you believe in Dolphins this week) and if they do they will have at least one playoff home game and could be dangerous in playoffs - but no way could they win Super Bowl.  Longshot just to get there.
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    Yeah, their defense isn't what it is used to be (how could it be - no more Samuel, Seymore, Harrison), maybe some light has been shed on why Belechck went for that 4th down a couple of weeks ago.  But they will win the AFC East (unless you believe in Dolphins this week) and if they do they will have at least one playoff home game and could be dangerous in playoffs - but no way could they win Super Bowl.  Longshot just to get there.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 12:41 PM ET #7

    no matter how bad the pats defense is.. people are still going to back them because they have Belechick and Brady and that duo can't keep losing right?

    the patriots suck

    take off your rose colored glasses and say it out loud
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    no matter how bad the pats defense is.. people are still going to back them because they have Belechick and Brady and that duo can't keep losing right?

    the patriots suck

    take off your rose colored glasses and say it out loud
     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 12:50 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by howzuck:

    Yeah, their defense isn't what it is used to be (how could it be - no more Samuel, Seymore, Harrison), maybe some light has been shed on why Belechck went for that 4th down a couple of weeks ago.  But they will win the AFC East (unless you believe in Dolphins this week) and if they do they will have at least one playoff home game and could be dangerous in playoffs - but no way could they win Super Bowl.  Longshot just to get there.

    exactly, the change of lineup for the Pats defensive unit has weaken it's performance, Mike Vrabel, Ellis Hobbs and Tedy Bruschi are also not there.  

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    Quote Originally Posted by howzuck:

    Yeah, their defense isn't what it is used to be (how could it be - no more Samuel, Seymore, Harrison), maybe some light has been shed on why Belechck went for that 4th down a couple of weeks ago.  But they will win the AFC East (unless you believe in Dolphins this week) and if they do they will have at least one playoff home game and could be dangerous in playoffs - but no way could they win Super Bowl.  Longshot just to get there.

    exactly, the change of lineup for the Pats defensive unit has weaken it's performance, Mike Vrabel, Ellis Hobbs and Tedy Bruschi are also not there.  

     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 12:56 PM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by locitup1time:

    I feel like such a dumb ass for takign NE.  Good point KK.  Didn't expect a Blow up and a complete mismatch like last night.  I think Saints are your Super Bowl Champions


    Personally, I think the Vikings are the best team in the NFL right now and would beat the Saints at a neutral site.  They are only a half game back of the Saints because their only loss was to an AFC team, so if the Saints lose 1 game and Vikings run the table, the Vikings would be home throughout the playoffs...I don't think right now the Saints could go into Minnesota and beat the Vikings...Just my opinion...
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    Quote Originally Posted by locitup1time:

    I feel like such a dumb ass for takign NE.  Good point KK.  Didn't expect a Blow up and a complete mismatch like last night.  I think Saints are your Super Bowl Champions


    Personally, I think the Vikings are the best team in the NFL right now and would beat the Saints at a neutral site.  They are only a half game back of the Saints because their only loss was to an AFC team, so if the Saints lose 1 game and Vikings run the table, the Vikings would be home throughout the playoffs...I don't think right now the Saints could go into Minnesota and beat the Vikings...Just my opinion...
     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 1:00 PM ET #10

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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 1:05 PM ET #11

    I THINK THEY ARE OVERATED BECAUSE WE JUDGE TEAMS BY PREVIOUS YEARS, I MEAN, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE PATS, WE THINK ABOUT THOSE CHAMPIONSHIPS THEY HAVE WON, THE GREAT RUNS THEY HAVE HAD, THE 16-0 SEASON, ETC ... BUT LET BE HONEST RIGHT NOW THEY ARE A SLIGHT ABOVE AVERAGE TEAM, A GOOD ONE AT HOME BUT STRUGGLING ON THE ROAD, AND BESIDES A NICE OFFENSE, THEY LACK TALENT ON THE DEFENSIVE SIDE, WHERE IS THE PASS RUSH?? THEY LACK PASS RUSH BIG TIME, AND WHEN YOU LOSE RODNEY HARRISON, RICHARD SEYMOUR, TEDY BRUSCHI, ASANTE SAMUEL, TY LAW, MIKE VRABEL , IT IS GONNA CATCH YOU SOMETIME AND YOU LL STRUGGLE AT DEFENSE ...

     

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    I THINK THEY ARE OVERATED BECAUSE WE JUDGE TEAMS BY PREVIOUS YEARS, I MEAN, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE PATS, WE THINK ABOUT THOSE CHAMPIONSHIPS THEY HAVE WON, THE GREAT RUNS THEY HAVE HAD, THE 16-0 SEASON, ETC ... BUT LET BE HONEST RIGHT NOW THEY ARE A SLIGHT ABOVE AVERAGE TEAM, A GOOD ONE AT HOME BUT STRUGGLING ON THE ROAD, AND BESIDES A NICE OFFENSE, THEY LACK TALENT ON THE DEFENSIVE SIDE, WHERE IS THE PASS RUSH?? THEY LACK PASS RUSH BIG TIME, AND WHEN YOU LOSE RODNEY HARRISON, RICHARD SEYMOUR, TEDY BRUSCHI, ASANTE SAMUEL, TY LAW, MIKE VRABEL , IT IS GONNA CATCH YOU SOMETIME AND YOU LL STRUGGLE AT DEFENSE ...

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 1:07 PM ET #12

    I often stick up for Belichek  for for his ability to make proper adjustments,evaluate players, and place them in situations to suceed, but last night he was severly outcoached. It was pretty clear from the 1Q that the Pats O-line wasn't gonna be able to handle the pass rush and blitzes that NO was sending. So instead of making adjustments to their offensive gameplan they stuck with their same one that clearly wasn't working. I would of liked to see NE use more HB draws, WR screens (to Welker), and quick slants to offset the NO pass rush but NE stuck with their slow developing plays that require time in the pocket.

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    I often stick up for Belichek  for for his ability to make proper adjustments,evaluate players, and place them in situations to suceed, but last night he was severly outcoached. It was pretty clear from the 1Q that the Pats O-line wasn't gonna be able to handle the pass rush and blitzes that NO was sending. So instead of making adjustments to their offensive gameplan they stuck with their same one that clearly wasn't working. I would of liked to see NE use more HB draws, WR screens (to Welker), and quick slants to offset the NO pass rush but NE stuck with their slow developing plays that require time in the pocket.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 1:10 PM ET #13

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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 1:12 PM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by Polar_Bear:

    That is alot of big names on D no doubt plus let's not forget one more dude that is long gone from the championship teams....The dvd handheld camera guy...

    Get a life loser

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polar_Bear:

    That is alot of big names on D no doubt plus let's not forget one more dude that is long gone from the championship teams....The dvd handheld camera guy...

    Get a life loser

     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 1:28 PM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by Polar_Bear:

    I actually like the Pats alot but since you went there...They have won shit since they got caught cheating and yes that is what it is called "cheating" and the NFL destroyed the tapes for them. It is what it is. Like it or lump if dickwad...

    When they win its cheating, when they lose dynasty is over. Pathetic dickwad like u is what I called big LOSER.. hater

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polar_Bear:

    I actually like the Pats alot but since you went there...They have won shit since they got caught cheating and yes that is what it is called "cheating" and the NFL destroyed the tapes for them. It is what it is. Like it or lump if dickwad...

    When they win its cheating, when they lose dynasty is over. Pathetic dickwad like u is what I called big LOSER.. hater

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by solidaces:

    When they win its cheating, when they lose dynasty is over. Pathetic dickwad like u is what I called big LOSER.. hater

    typical fans appreciation for .2 cent worth but absolulte no value in a gambling thread.  

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    Quote Originally Posted by solidaces:

    When they win its cheating, when they lose dynasty is over. Pathetic dickwad like u is what I called big LOSER.. hater

    typical fans appreciation for .2 cent worth but absolulte no value in a gambling thread.  

     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 1:45 PM ET #19

    New England Cheaters ...!!!

    Hell with Brady, I wish Moss was on another team so I can root for him, but not on the Patriots...

    before the video tape cheat shit, I told my grandpap,

    the Patroits know the steelers plays in the AFC championship game in pittsburgh, big bens rookie year, that was before they were caught!!!

    new england is done, fade new england, they cant cheat any more to win!

    seems like they got every call or break too

    oakland snow bowl game, bull shit call, oakland should have sue the nfl with making rules up in the end of the game

    pittsburgh afc championship, a fumble steelers recovered, official replay, patroits kept the ball, steelers get that fumble, steelers would have won the super bowl that year, steelers were going to come back and win that afc championship game, im still pissed about it!

    st louis rams (14 pt favs) being cocky and over confident and pats were lucky to win

    really, new england didnt win the games, the nfl gave the pats the super bowls!

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    New England Cheaters ...!!!

    Hell with Brady, I wish Moss was on another team so I can root for him, but not on the Patriots...

    before the video tape cheat shit, I told my grandpap,

    the Patroits know the steelers plays in the AFC championship game in pittsburgh, big bens rookie year, that was before they were caught!!!

    new england is done, fade new england, they cant cheat any more to win!

    seems like they got every call or break too

    oakland snow bowl game, bull shit call, oakland should have sue the nfl with making rules up in the end of the game

    pittsburgh afc championship, a fumble steelers recovered, official replay, patroits kept the ball, steelers get that fumble, steelers would have won the super bowl that year, steelers were going to come back and win that afc championship game, im still pissed about it!

    st louis rams (14 pt favs) being cocky and over confident and pats were lucky to win

    really, new england didnt win the games, the nfl gave the pats the super bowls!

     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 1:45 PM ET #20

    Quote Originally Posted by Polar_Bear:

      Are you retarded really? That does not even makes sense what you typed? When they won their championships they were cheating. It was discovered and thus they never won another after that.......Hate them? I already said I like them alot and was on their side cheering while they were winning due tio my Raiders never being around to cheer for due to a mentaly ill owner (perhaps you have shared meds with him?) and cheered for them last night as well but what happened... happened guy. I think they would have won without doing that but we will never ever know cause they did make tapes illegaly that is a fact, don't think they needed to but they did so there will always be tarnish for those years to alot of people....Don't take it so hard! nice 31 and 32 post kid....

     Well since you are a raiders fan who happens to have owner thats on meds.. I cant reason with you . Sorry cant reason w a psycho. Bottom line: pats wont go away, will be in playoff and hv a chance to be in SB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polar_Bear:

      Are you retarded really? That does not even makes sense what you typed? When they won their championships they were cheating. It was discovered and thus they never won another after that.......Hate them? I already said I like them alot and was on their side cheering while they were winning due tio my Raiders never being around to cheer for due to a mentaly ill owner (perhaps you have shared meds with him?) and cheered for them last night as well but what happened... happened guy. I think they would have won without doing that but we will never ever know cause they did make tapes illegaly that is a fact, don't think they needed to but they did so there will always be tarnish for those years to alot of people....Don't take it so hard! nice 31 and 32 post kid....

     Well since you are a raiders fan who happens to have owner thats on meds.. I cant reason with you . Sorry cant reason w a psycho. Bottom line: pats wont go away, will be in playoff and hv a chance to be in SB.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 1:48 PM ET #21

    The Patriots went 18-1 the year after "spygate".  Honestly, calling them cheaters for the entire decade is just childish and sour grapes. 

    The Saints exposed the Pats last night.  I have not seen a Patriots team manhandled like that since Drew Bledsoe and Tony Eason were QBs. However, I would not want to face the Patriots in the playoffs this year.  Your choice 1st round of playoffs - Balt, Cincy, Den, SD, Pitt, or New England. 

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    The Patriots went 18-1 the year after "spygate".  Honestly, calling them cheaters for the entire decade is just childish and sour grapes. 

    The Saints exposed the Pats last night.  I have not seen a Patriots team manhandled like that since Drew Bledsoe and Tony Eason were QBs. However, I would not want to face the Patriots in the playoffs this year.  Your choice 1st round of playoffs - Balt, Cincy, Den, SD, Pitt, or New England. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by joemw74:

    New England Cheaters ...!!!

    Hell with Brady, I wish Moss was on another team so I can root for him, but not on the Patriots...

    before the video tape cheat shit, I told my grandpap,

    the Patroits know the steelers plays in the AFC championship game in pittsburgh, big bens rookie year, that was before they were caught!!!

    new england is done, fade new england, they cant cheat any more to win!

    seems like they got every call or break too

    oakland snow bowl game, bull shit call, oakland should have sue the nfl with making rules up in the end of the game

    pittsburgh afc championship, a fumble steelers recovered, official replay, patroits kept the ball, steelers get that fumble, steelers would have won the super bowl that year, steelers were going to come back and win that afc championship game, im still pissed about it!

    st louis rams (14 pt favs) being cocky and over confident and pats were lucky to win

    really, new england didnt win the games, the nfl gave the pats the super bowls!

     Wow look at all of you hater.. i guess when you have a dynasty, a team of winner like pats. cheated, spygate, nfl give it to pats = haters who are just sore losers. wishing someday their team will be a dynasty like Pats

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    Quote Originally Posted by joemw74:

    New England Cheaters ...!!!

    Hell with Brady, I wish Moss was on another team so I can root for him, but not on the Patriots...

    before the video tape cheat shit, I told my grandpap,

    the Patroits know the steelers plays in the AFC championship game in pittsburgh, big bens rookie year, that was before they were caught!!!

    new england is done, fade new england, they cant cheat any more to win!

    seems like they got every call or break too

    oakland snow bowl game, bull shit call, oakland should have sue the nfl with making rules up in the end of the game

    pittsburgh afc championship, a fumble steelers recovered, official replay, patroits kept the ball, steelers get that fumble, steelers would have won the super bowl that year, steelers were going to come back and win that afc championship game, im still pissed about it!

    st louis rams (14 pt favs) being cocky and over confident and pats were lucky to win

    really, new england didnt win the games, the nfl gave the pats the super bowls!

     Wow look at all of you hater.. i guess when you have a dynasty, a team of winner like pats. cheated, spygate, nfl give it to pats = haters who are just sore losers. wishing someday their team will be a dynasty like Pats

     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 2:23 PM ET #23

    You can tell that this year even Bill B knows his defense sucks thats why he trys to run up the score on teams in order just to keep up its clear as day NE's defense is rebuilding
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    You can tell that this year even Bill B knows his defense sucks thats why he trys to run up the score on teams in order just to keep up its clear as day NE's defense is rebuilding
     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 2:35 PM ET #24

    I still can't believe the number of people who thought NE should have been favored last night. 
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    I still can't believe the number of people who thought NE should have been favored last night. 
     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 1, 2009 - 4:00 PM ET #25

    overreaction to one game

    this is why bookies and sportsbook make money

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    overreaction to one game

    this is why bookies and sportsbook make money

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